Poll finds more Americans believe in devil than Darwin

2007-12-03 Thread William T Goodall
http://uk.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=UKN2922875820071129 Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:53pm GMT By Ed Stoddard DALLAS (Reuters Life!) - More Americans believe in a literal hell and the devil than Darwin's theory of evolution, according to a new Harris poll released on Thursday. It is the

Re: Evolution Debate Led to Ouster, Official Says

2007-12-03 Thread William T Goodall
http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegreatbeyond/2007/11/dont_mess_with_texas_education.html Don’t mess with Texas education - November 30, 2007 Attitudes to education differ round the world, but things are looking pretty odd in Texas right now. The director of the state’s science curriculum is

Correlation v. causality (was Re: Poll finds more Americans believe in devil than Darwin)

2007-12-03 Thread Nick Arnett
On Dec 3, 2007 1:41 AM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://uk.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=UKN2922875820071129 The poll of 2,455 U.S. adults from Nov 7 to 13 found that 82 percent of those surveyed believed in God, a figure unchanged since the question was asked in

Re: Correlation v. causality (was Re: Poll finds more Americans believe in devil than Darwin)

2007-12-03 Thread William T Goodall
On 3 Dec 2007, at 16:04, Nick Arnett wrote: On Dec 3, 2007 1:41 AM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darwin's theory of evolution met a far more skeptical audience which might surprise some outsiders as the United States is renowned for its excellence in scientific

Re: Poll finds more Americans believe in devil than Darwin

2007-12-03 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
Probably because they watch the evening news where most of the people they see in the stories behave like they follow the devil or like non-GEICO cavemen . . . -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Correlation v. causality (was Re: Poll finds more Americans believe in devil than Darwin)

2007-12-03 Thread Nick Arnett
On Dec 3, 2007 11:02 AM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This demonstrates that skepticism leads to better science, right? You're arguing that evolution is bad science? No. I'm pointing out that there's a correlation between skepticism about science and good science. The

Re: Poll finds more Americans believe in devil than Darwin

2007-12-03 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Dec 3, 2007, at 12:34 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: Probably because they watch the evening news where most of the people they see in the stories behave like they follow the devil or like non-GEICO cavemen . . . Or possibly they don't believe there's a difference. -- Warren Ockrassa

Re: Correlation v. causality (was Re: Poll finds more Americans believe in devil than Darwin)

2007-12-03 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Dec 3, 2007, at 5:03 PM, Nick Arnett wrote: In hopes of going somewhere more interesting with this topic, let me offer this challenge -- can you (or anybody else who can stomach the subject) come up with external causalities when religion and evil co-occur? If we're going to

Re: Correlation v. causality (was Re: Poll finds more Americans believe in devil than Darwin)

2007-12-03 Thread William T Goodall
On 4 Dec 2007, at 01:12, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Dec 3, 2007, at 5:03 PM, Nick Arnett wrote: In hopes of going somewhere more interesting with this topic, let me offer this challenge -- can you (or anybody else who can stomach the subject) come up with external causalities when religion

Re: Correlation v. causality (was Re: Poll finds more Americans believe in devil than Darwin)

2007-12-03 Thread William T Goodall
On 4 Dec 2007, at 00:03, Nick Arnett wrote: On Dec 3, 2007 11:02 AM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This demonstrates that skepticism leads to better science, right? You're arguing that evolution is bad science? No. I'm pointing out that there's a correlation

Re: Correlation v. causality (was Re: Poll finds more Americans believe in devil than Darwin)

2007-12-03 Thread Nick Arnett
On Dec 3, 2007 5:09 PM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The theory is that religion causes evil by clouding minds. That's the causality. The correlation is there. QED. It's hardly logical to state your premise and the correlation and claim that you've proved something. But you

Re: Correlation v. causality (was Re: Poll finds more Americans believe in devil than Darwin)

2007-12-03 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Dec 3, 2007, at 6:51 PM, Nick Arnett wrote: And by the way, I left you an opening with the hospital metaphor, but you didn't grab it. There are iatrogenic illnesses, those that are caused by the healer. I have no doubt that there are parallels in religion, but just as we don't

Re: Correlation v. causality (was Re: Poll finds more Americans believe in devil than Darwin)

2007-12-03 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Dec 3, 2007, at 6:29 PM, William T Goodall wrote: On 4 Dec 2007, at 01:12, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Dec 3, 2007, at 5:03 PM, Nick Arnett wrote: In hopes of going somewhere more interesting with this topic, let me offer this challenge -- can you (or anybody else who can stomach the