On Dec 3, 2007 1:41 AM, William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> http://uk.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=UKN2922875820071129
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> The poll of 2,455 U.S. adults from Nov 7 to 13 found that 82 percent
> of those surveyed believed in God, a figure unchanged since the
> question was asked in 2005.


And how many of them believe that they are, in some sense, God?  ;-)

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> It further found that 79 percent believed in miracles, 75 percent in
> heaven,


"Is there anything else?" replied some American writer when asked if he
believed in miracles.  My favorite answer.

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> Darwin's theory of evolution met a far more skeptical audience which
> might surprise some outsiders as the United States is renowned for its
> excellence in scientific research.


This demonstrates that skepticism leads to better science, right?

I say that only because anti-religious people constantly confuse correlation
with causality.  It's only fair if I do, too, even though it is terribly
unscientific.  But hey, I'm an American.  Stimulated by being surrounded by
those who are skeptical of science, I strive to excel.

Seriously, though, confusing correlation and causality has become my main
problem with your anti-religious postings, William.  If you're going to
argue that religion is anti-scientific and causes all sorts of social ills,
it seems that you have no freedom do simply cite all sorts of correlations.
You have to show causality -- that religion *causes* evil, no just that they
co-occur.

It is basic to statistics that when things correlate, the cause often is a
third factor.  The coexistence of religion and evil isn't exactly news, now
is it?

Let me suggest the sort of third factor that could cause the correlation
between fundamentalist religion and creationism: greed and fear -- leaders'
greed for money and political power; followers' fear of what might happen if
they misbehave.  Keeping people ignorant has been a tool of greedy people,
religious or not, for all of history.  It is demagoguery and religion has no
corner on it.

It's bad science use correlations to say that religion is to blame for
evil.  It's like saying that hospitals obviously are the cause of disease
because a survey showed that a high percentage of people who go to hospitals
are sick.  Correlation does not imply causality.

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> The survey, which has a sampling error of plus or minus two percent,
> found that 35 percent of the respondents believed in UFOs and 31
> percent in witches.


How many of the UFO believers imagine that dolphins could fly spaceships?
Now that's truly bizarre.

Nick

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