RE: Where to now?
>How about Hayek? Half of the article that I'm giving a link to talks about him. It is written by another Nobel prize winner, and gives a very interesting account how his professional and popular works differ. I like the comparison of him to Marx, it makes a lot of sense to me...partially because Marx was both way off the mark on predicting the future as well as someone who made major contributions to econ and basically was the first sociologist. http://www.tnr.com/article/books-and-arts/magazine/110196/hayek-friedman-and -the-illusions-conservative-economics Dan M. ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Where to now?
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:42 PM, John Williams wrote: > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Kevin O'Brien > wrote: > > > OK, I'm not at all clear on how you got "top-down" management out of > what I > > said. > > I'm getting tired of correcting all this nonsense, I strongly believe that the attitude that fragment reflects - that what another person says is nonsense and you are correcting them - drives people away from any community in the long run if it persists and dominates. A few will engage with you for the same unfortunate reason (to try to "correct" you), but then it just becomes a matter of who can be a bigger bully. Do whatever you want with my opinion, but I, for one, will be quite grateful if you choose to present your words as though they were just your thoughts and opinions and to treat others with much greater respect. Nick ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
RE: Where to now?
> A few will engage with you for the same unfortunate reason (to try to "correct" you), but then it >just becomes a matter of who can be a bigger bully. I'm not sure about that. Kevin, for example never struck me as a bully. And, I've never seen a counter-argument with facts and logic as bullying. I'll admit, I'm not particularly polite with John, but after someone has insulted me on a number of occasions, I tend to be a bit less careful. It's not that I try to insult people, I just don't reread things for politeness quite as carefully when dealing with a person who pontificates without reason. In other words, I'll take Feynman as condescending, but not John. And, living in Grove, I also admit I get very very frustrated with folks who are on Social Security and Medicare going on and on and on about the evil of government. When I point out they get much more than they paid in (if they are in their 70s, that is overwhelmingly true for the age group), I'm told that's absolutely false. I have to be polite, because my wife's a minister here, and I have to worry about my speech reflecting on her, but I've had to go to the emergency room a number of times to get teeth marks sewn up on my tongue. :-) Dan M. ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Where to now?
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Dan Minette wrote: > > A few will engage with you for the same unfortunate reason (to try to > "correct" you), but then it > >just becomes a matter of who can be a bigger bully. > > I'm not sure about that. Kevin, for example never struck me as a bully. > And, I've never seen a counter-argument with facts and logic as bullying. Me neither. You took a bit of a logical leap there, to the idea that I meant that responding at all takes it that direction. The only generalization I'd make is that most people get sick of it eventually. Nick ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Where to now?
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: > Do whatever you want with my opinion, Thank you, I will. ^^ politeness ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Where to now?
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Dan Minette wrote: > Half of the article that I'm giving a link to talks about him. It is written > by another Nobel prize winner, Without commenting on Burgin's book, I will point out that Robert Solow (bad Solow?) writes an extremely biased commentary about the book. What would you expect from a co-author of the textbook that extolled the virtues of the economy of the Soviet Union? Here's a short commentary on Solow's commentary: http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2012/11/robert-solow-on-hayek-and-friedman-and-mps.html ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Where to now?
On 11/24/2012 11:08 AM, Dan Minette wrote: How about Hayek? Half of the article that I'm giving a link to talks about him. It is written by another Nobel prize winner, and gives a very interesting account how his professional and popular works differ. I like the comparison of him to Marx, it makes a lot of sense to me...partially because Marx was both way off the mark on predicting the future as well as someone who made major contributions to econ and basically was the first sociologist. http://www.tnr.com/article/books-and-arts/magazine/110196/hayek-friedman-and -the-illusions-conservative-economics Thanks for the link, Dan. A most interesting article. It reminded me of a journal article I read in graduate school wherein a distinguished professor presented his model of consumer behavior, then noted that consumers don't actually behave that way, which led to his call for measures to make consumers conform to his model. I find that a lot of neoclassical economics reads like an analysis of how people should behave if only they were as wise as economists. I also note in passing that a study done a few years ago about charitable giving found that economists were the stingiest group in the study, which I found not at all surprising. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL zwil...@zwilnik.com Linux User #333216 ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Where to now?
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Kevin O'Brien wrote: > I also note in passing that a study done a few years ago > about charitable giving found that economists were the stingiest group in > the study, which I found not at all surprising. Would you be referring to the study published by Bauman and Rose in 2011? http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167268111000746 ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Politeness
> > I'm getting tired of correcting all this nonsense, > Do whatever you want with my opinion, but I, for one, will > be quite > grateful if you choose to present your words as though they > were just your > thoughts and opinions and to treat others with much greater > respect. > Nick > I'm not sure about that. Kevin, for example never > struck me as a bully. > And, I've never seen a counter-argument with facts and logic > as bullying. > I'll admit, I'm not particularly polite with John, but after > someone has > insulted me on a number of occasions, I tend to be a bit > less careful. It's > not that I try to insult people, I just don't reread things > for politeness > quite as carefully when dealing with a person who > pontificates without > reason. In other words, I'll take Feynman as > condescending, but not John. > > > A few will engage with you for the same > unfortunate reason (to try to > > "correct" you), but then it > > >just becomes a matter of who can be a bigger bully. > > > > I'm not sure about that. Kevin, for example never > struck me as a bully. > > And, I've never seen a counter-argument with facts and > logic as bullying. > > Me neither. You took a bit of a logical leap there, to the > idea that I > meant that responding at all takes it that direction. > The only > generalization I'd make is that most people get sick of it > eventually. > Nick I just don't understand why some people are just plain mean. It's not like he's some genius who doesn't suffer fools; that I would respect. I know people with Asperger's who probably don't know they are being rude, or just don't care. I suppose if trolls and flamers didn't hide behind their computers and were out in the real world, they would learn pretty fast to keep their trap shut... Bottom line is people like that are alone and miserable, so they fling their rage through the electronic interface. ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Politeness
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 6:47 PM, Jon Louis Mann wrote: > It's not like he's some genius who doesn't suffer fools; that I would > respect. It is not like you are a successful politician. Why would anyone care about having your respect? ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
RE: Politeness
>It is not like you are a successful politician. Why would anyone care about having your respect? I actually think this is a statement made in good faith. IMHO, you would grow if you were able to understand the answer to that question. While self respect is critical, and one shouldn't put up a false front to get respect, earning the respect of those who have achieved less than you can be very beneficial. The reason why will be left as an exercise for the student. :-) Dan M. ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Politeness
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Dan Minette wrote: > I actually think I'm not so sure about that. ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
