Re: Have a Soulful Solstice :-)

2003-12-22 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 09:03 PM 12/21/03, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: Well, now I must put on my medieval gown and trundle off for a solstice party -- this is my neo-druid friends' shindig, and I'm supposed to add a bit of quasi-partial-well-OK-pretend authenticity... ;) How pathetic is

Re: christianism is evil, why it must be eradicated

2003-12-22 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk
Trent Shipley wrote: On Sunday 2003-12-21 16:38, Alberto Monteiro wrote: snipped some and snipped some more * a student that mentions anything anti-islamic is forced to spend hours in reeducating classes, where he must study and recite the Quram Schools tend to discourage hate

Re: Scouted: Environmentalism is Evil and Must Be Destroyed

2003-12-22 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk
Robert Seeberger wrote: - Original Message - From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 2:36 AM Subject: Re: Scouted: Environmentalism is Evil and Must Be Destroyed At 04:43 AM 12/20/03, Deborah Harrell wrote:

Heresy Courts

2003-12-22 Thread William T Goodall
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/12/22/ nchurch22.xml Sceptic priests could face trial by heresy courts By Jonathan Petre, Religion Correspondent (Filed: 22/12/2003) The Church of England is preparing to crack down on heresy and sloppy worship among clerics by forcing

Re: Filtering

2003-12-22 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Doug Pensinger wrote: With all due respect, if we stopped talking about everything that makes someone upset, we may as well shut down the list because we wouldn't even be able to discuss the weather. What do you mean by discuss the weather? I feel highly offended when you all start talking

Re: Filtering

2003-12-22 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 06:45 AM 12/22/2003, you wrote: Doug Pensinger wrote: With all due respect, if we stopped talking about everything that makes someone upset, we may as well shut down the list because we wouldn't even be able to discuss the weather. What do you mean by discuss the weather? I feel highly

Re: christianism is evil, why it must be eradicated

2003-12-22 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:00 AM Subject: Re: christianism is evil, why it must be eradicated Julia wrote: I think it varies on a state-by-state basis. If you told me

Re: [GoBills] Week 16 NFL Picks

2003-12-22 Thread Bill Walsh
John D. Giorgis wrote: Thank goodness my horrible season of picking the NFL games is almost over. Here is one of my last gasp attempts to try and pick a perfect slate for a single week in the year: You deserve kudos for putting your thoughts on record week in and week out in such a public

Re: Filtering

2003-12-22 Thread Julia Thompson
Alberto Monteiro wrote: Doug Pensinger wrote: With all due respect, if we stopped talking about everything that makes someone upset, we may as well shut down the list because we wouldn't even be able to discuss the weather. What do you mean by discuss the weather? I feel highly

Re: christianism is evil, why it must be eradicated

2003-12-22 Thread Julia Thompson
Doug Pensinger wrote: Julia wrote: I think it varies on a state-by-state basis. If you told me this was happening in California, I'd just want enough info so I could verify the specific instances. Yoiks, it must be bash California week. Question is, if it's so bad, how come there

Science Fiction In General...

2003-12-22 Thread Travis Edmunds
I finished off Seventh Son by OS Card the other day. It's the first book in the Alvin Maker series. Has anyone here read that book, or perhaps all the books leading up to and including The Crystal City? The reason I ask is due to the fact that I rate Seventh Son above Enders Game. Of course I

Re: RIDDLES: Yet another thread for fun.

2003-12-22 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 12/22/2003 9:48:09 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (on a serious note) How dare you. Remember who you're talking to. Vilyehm --- String--or nothing! ___

Re: RIDDLES: Yet another thread for fun.

2003-12-22 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RIDDLES: Yet another thread for fun. Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:10:18 EST In a message dated 12/22/2003 9:48:09 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (on a serious note)

Re: Notes on Uplift

2003-12-22 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Trent Shipley wrote: I have done some estimates on this. From data from GURPS Uplift and from Contacting Aliens, I estimate: * about 2 million populated planets at each time Across how many galaxies? All five of them. (Note that for the 1000KY +- Contact Galaxy 4 was fallow, so it

Quake

2003-12-22 Thread Nick Arnett
We just felt a quake here in Santa Clara... which felt like a long (30 secs or more) gentle rolling, like being on a large boat. They're saying its center was near San Simeon, pretty far from here, and was a 6.5. If the list goes away, perhaps it'll mean that it was a precursor to the Big

Re: christianism is evil, why it must be eradicated

2003-12-22 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:03 AM Subject: Re: christianism is evil, why it must be eradicated At 12:00 AM 12/22/03, Doug Pensinger wrote: Julia wrote: I think it varies

Re: Science Fiction In General...

2003-12-22 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:51 AM Subject: RE: Science Fiction In General... From: Travis Edmunds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I finished off Seventh Son by OS Card the other day.

Re: Science Fiction In General...

2003-12-22 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:12 AM Subject: Science Fiction In General... I finished off Seventh Son by OS Card the other day. It's the first book in the Alvin Maker series. Has anyone here read

RE: Science Fiction In General...

2003-12-22 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Science Fiction In General... Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:51:09 -0600 I have read all the ones so far. (I believe the final book has not yet been published.

Re: Science Fiction In General...

2003-12-22 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Science Fiction In General... Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:34:44 -0600 I've read all but Crystal City. As a series it is a little uneven..some of the

Re: SCOUTED: Becoming a Compassionless Conservative

2003-12-22 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Brin-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 1:40 PM Subject: SCOUTED: Becoming a Compassionless Conservative From _National Review_: http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/graham200312220001.asp Jennifer

Re: Science Fiction In General...

2003-12-22 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 4:45 PM Subject: Re: Science Fiction In General... From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion

RE: Scouted: House Bans Patents on Human Beings

2003-12-22 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Scouted: House Bans Patents on Human Beings Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:07:40 -0500 Not sure if anyone out there disagrees with this law, but if so, I 'd be interested in hearing

ROTK sets boxoffice record

2003-12-22 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStoryc=StoryFTcid=1071251707109p=1012571727304 The final installment of the The Lord of the Rings film trilogy sold $246m worth of tickets worldwide between Wednesday and Sunday, the highest total takings over the first five

Re: Week 16 NFL Picks

2003-12-22 Thread Robert Seeberger
Did anyone see this? http://www.local6.com/sports/2719807/detail.html It was a football sideline interview -- complete with a pass. ESPN cut short an interview with Joe Namath during Saturday's Jets-Patriots game -- after some curious answers from the Hall of Fame quarterback. When reporter

RE: Scouted: House Bans Patents on Human Beings

2003-12-22 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Scouted: House Bans Patents on Human Beings Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 17:15:58 -0600 At 05:02 PM 12/22/03, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: John D. Giorgis

RE: Science Fiction In General...

2003-12-22 Thread ChadCooper
-Original Message- From: Ronn!Blankenship [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 2:58 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: RE: Science Fiction In General... At 11:51 AM 12/22/03, Horn, John wrote: It gets a bit preachy but that's to be expected from OSC.

Re: Science Fiction In General...

2003-12-22 Thread David Hobby
Travis Edmunds wrote: I finished off Seventh Son by OS Card the other day. It's the first book in the Alvin Maker series. Has anyone here read that book, or perhaps all the books leading up to and including The Crystal City? The reason I ask is due to the fact that I rate Seventh Son above

RE: Science Fiction In General...

2003-12-22 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 05:31 PM 12/22/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Ronn!Blankenship [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 2:58 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: RE: Science Fiction In General... At 11:51 AM 12/22/03, Horn, John wrote: It gets a bit

Re: Scouted: Environmentalism is Evil and Must Be Destroyed

2003-12-22 Thread Julia Thompson
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 10:54 AM 12/22/03, Julia Thompson wrote: Sonja van Baardwijk wrote: Personally I have noticed that my sensitivity to smoke has been heavily increased the less I'm exposed to it. Nothing psychosomatic about it. There was one year that I managed to increase

Re: Scouted: Environmentalism is Evil and Must Be Destroyed

2003-12-22 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 05:54 PM 12/22/03, Julia Thompson wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 10:54 AM 12/22/03, Julia Thompson wrote: Sonja van Baardwijk wrote: Personally I have noticed that my sensitivity to smoke has been heavily increased the less I'm exposed to it. Nothing psychosomatic about it.

Science Fiction In Music

2003-12-22 Thread Robert Seeberger
Something I have been thinking about a lot lately is music with Science Fictional and Fantasmal themes. Offhand, bands like Pink Floyd and Hawkwind spring to mind immediately. But I have been thinking that the band that has done the most and/or the best with SF and Fantasy themes is Blue Oyster

Re: Science Fiction In Music

2003-12-22 Thread Damon Agretto
How about: ELP, Karn Evil, 3rd Impression (Brain Salad Surgery) ELF, Tarkus (Tarkus) (the SF elements are the cover, which follows the song!) Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

Re: Science Fiction In Music

2003-12-22 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 7:41 PM Subject: Re: Science Fiction In Music How about: ELP, Karn Evil, 3rd Impression (Brain Salad Surgery) ELF, Tarkus (Tarkus) (the SF elements

Re: Science Fiction In Music

2003-12-22 Thread Damon Agretto
Album covershm No, what I meant is that to understand the song you have to follow along with the album cover (which had a number of pictures depicting movements within the song, and telling the story of Tarkus). Its sort of like following along with they lyrics, except this time the

Re: Science Fiction In Music

2003-12-22 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 7:56 PM Subject: Re: Science Fiction In Music Album covershm No, what I meant is that to understand the song you have to follow along

Re: Science Fiction In Music

2003-12-22 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 12/22/2003 6:17:30 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There ought to be a few limits too: No Purple People Eater comedy type songs. Well what other type of music do you think I listen to? If you exclude Purple People Eater, I guess you also have to

Re: Quake

2003-12-22 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 12/22/2003 2:10:23 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not sure how the dizziness fits into that plan... You try to read the label while it's spinning on that ye olde record player? Re quake: As far as I can tell, it was very close to a campground

RE: Scouted: House Bans Patents on Human Beings

2003-12-22 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Scouted: House Bans Patents on Human Beings Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 17:35:26 -0600 I know. But then you know I have to point out the obvious . . .

Re: SCOUTED:  Becoming a Compassionless Conservative

2003-12-22 Thread TomFODW
How is this mother any different than the neglectful wealthy parents of such worthless scum as Paris Hilton? Tom Beck www.mercerjewishsingles.org I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the last. - Dr Jerry Pournelle

Re: Science Fiction In General...

2003-12-22 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Science Fiction In General... Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:25:54 -0500 I've read all of them but _The Crystal City_. I do confess to being a bit upset when

RE: Science Fiction In General...

2003-12-22 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Science Fiction In General... Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 17:47:28 -0600 Last I knew, he was on the high council. Of course, it has been a while since I

Re: Filtering

2003-12-22 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Julia Thompson wrote: What do you mean by discuss the weather? I feel highly offended when you all start talking about snow in Christmas, and I have 41 deg in the termometer! 41? You lucky dog -- I only have 18[1]. (No snow here either.) The minimum in Texas is 18? Even here we have some

Re: Science Fiction In General...

2003-12-22 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 12/22/2003 8:05:15 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -- Ronn! :) You've spoken to Mr Card in person? -Travis Then ask him why he gave Columbus a telescope. William Taylor - My favorite meaningless rant.

Re: Seasonal Puzzle

2003-12-22 Thread Reggie Bautista
JDG wrote: More to the point, I disagree with the result of #25. I've never heard ofCaroling, Caroling - but Coventry Carol is probably much more famous. Caroling, Caroling, through the snow, Christmas bells are ringing... Coventry Carol may be more famous, but Caroling Caroling is much more

Re: RIDDLES: Yet another thread for fun.

2003-12-22 Thread Reggie Bautista
William Taylor wrote: Back from second viewing of ROTK. Only change: They dropped the preview that got booed opening night. And that preview was...? (Sorry if this was asked before, I've been having some unexpected trouble switching over to a new email address, and lost a bunch of messages...)

Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun.

2003-12-22 Thread Reggie Bautista
Matt wrote: -- Matt ...who wonders whether the monkeys' script revisions for Hamlet were any good... Is this possible? Hamlet was perfect, after all ;-) Reggie Bautista _ Tired of slow downloads? Compare online deals from your

Re: Scouted: House Bans Patents on Human Beings

2003-12-22 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Travis Edmunds wrote: You may say that it's not justified. Fine. But what if you or your child or some other loved one of yours, contracted a life threatening affliction, and the only means of saving yours or the other person's life was to harvest a human embryo (which you consider to be

Re: Science Fiction In Music

2003-12-22 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Robert Seeberger wrote: Something I have been thinking about a lot lately is music with Science Fictional and Fantasmal themes. One of my daughters' favourite bands these days is led by a girl, Pitty, and she has some sf-based songs. She even dedicates the album to the prophets Asimov, Aldous

Re: Science Fiction In Music

2003-12-22 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 8:05 PM Subject: Re: Science Fiction In Music In a message dated 12/22/2003 6:17:30 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There ought to be a few limits too: No

Re: SCOUTED:  Becoming a Compassionless Conservative

2003-12-22 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 8:34 PM Subject: Re: SCOUTED: Becoming a Compassionless Conservative How is this mother any different than the neglectful wealthy parents of such worthless scum as Paris Hilton?

Re: SCOUTED:  Becoming a Compassionless Con servative

2003-12-22 Thread TomFODW
How is this mother any different than the neglectful wealthy parents of such worthless scum as Paris Hilton? Thats a rhetorical question, right?!!! G If you mean, that it answers itself (and the answer is, not in any significant way), then yes. Tom Beck

Re: RIDDLES: Yet another thread for fun.

2003-12-22 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 12/22/2003 8:17:33 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And that preview was...? (Sorry if this was asked before, I've been having some unexpected trouble switching over to a new email address, and lost a bunch of messages...) It was some totally

Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun.

2003-12-22 Thread Reggie Bautista
Travis Edmunds wrote: A rose by any other name ...is the sexual organ of a thorny shrub ;-) (I wish I could remember where I first heard that...) Reggie Bautista _ Get dial-up Internet access now with our best offer: 6 months

Re: Science Fiction In Music

2003-12-22 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 8:47 PM Subject: RE: Science Fiction In Music Well this is right up my alley. You're talking to the resident music freak here! There's 4 or 5 here to keep you company.G

Re: Filtering

2003-12-22 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:19 PM Subject: Re: Filtering Julia Thompson wrote: What do you mean by discuss the weather? I feel highly offended when you all start

Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun.

2003-12-22 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 12/22/2003 8:27:57 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matt wrote: -- Matt ...who wonders whether the monkeys' script revisions for Hamlet were any good... Is this possible? Hamlet was perfect, after all ;-) Reggie Bautista ::Picks

Re: Science Fiction In Music

2003-12-22 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 12/22/2003 8:42:51 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: agree. Mars is still one of my favorite classical pieces. (Even though it has been overused to the point that it almost a mockery of itself.) The same goes for Carmina Burana (horrible spelling

Return of the King

2003-12-22 Thread Julia Thompson
I saw it today. I thought it was a great movie. At the end, Dan turned to me and said that we could tell Sammy that he was named after Samwise. :) (He hasn't read Lord of the Rings yet, so he wasn't familiar with Samwise.) My only complaint was that at one point, there's a mother with an

RE: Science Fiction In Music

2003-12-22 Thread Kevin Tarr
Well this is right up my alley. You're talking to the resident music freak here! First of all though let me point out something. You said you'd like some suggestions and criticisms. Well here's where I criticize: Although the music mentioned certainly has sf/f themes, I don't think that's

Re: Science Fiction In Music

2003-12-22 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:25 PM Subject: Re: Science Fiction In Music In a message dated 12/22/2003 8:42:51 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And Benson Arizona! I'm not familiar

Re: Science Fiction In Music

2003-12-22 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 12/22/2003 10:04:55 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He is still pretty new here. So he deserves some slack. Besides he seems like a pretty nice guy IMO. No harm. No foul. On the other hand, if you try to put slacks on most fowl, you will