Re: The Oldest American?
On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 21:36:40 + Alberto Monteiro wrote: On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 05:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Leonard Matusik wrote: On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 12:02:28 -0700 Warren wrote: Maybe the earliest settlers came over in skin boats? Were washed out to sea by a typhoon and fetched up on the shores of, say, what's now Chile? After all the Polynesians were astoundingly good seafarers. It's not that far from Rapa Nui to the continent, if you've already crossed the Pacific island chains. -- ...especially if one has the balls to do it.. I would bet the same way Pedro Alvares Cabral allegedly[*] came: by navigating away from African's coast, being caught in the Brazilian Sea Current, and hitting Brazil's Northeast. Alberto Monteiro [*] the official version is that he came here by accident - but skeptics doubted it even back in 1500. Wow Alberto! I'm not sure one can get from Rapa Nui to the African coast in a sea canoe. I'm confident you wouldn't get past Tierra del Fuego (even using your testicles for navigation). :D Leonard Matusik [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pacificarchiving.com/pnsim/index.shtml (link to your basic Polynesian Navigation Simulator) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l - Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online more. Check it out! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l - Sell on Yahoo! Auctions - No fees. Bid on great items. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Oldest American?
Leonard Matusik wrote: I would bet the same way Pedro Alvares Cabral allegedly[*] came: by navigating away from African's coast, being caught in the Brazilian Sea Current, and hitting Brazil's Northeast. Wow Alberto! I'm not sure one can get from Rapa Nui to the African coast in a sea canoe. I'm confident you wouldn't get past Tierra del Fuego (even using your testicles for navigation). :D But I am talking about the route West Africa - Brazil, not East Africa - Indian Ocean - Pacific Ocean - etc. It´s about 2000 km of sea travel - probably less than Rapa Nui to the closest big island. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Oldest American?
Alberto Monteiro wrote: Dave Land wrote: No. This is Spanish pronunciation. Brazilian _J-_ sounds like French. So it's a kind of ZHOO-lee-ah, I guess? Yes - whatever ZH means :-) Generally the English transcription of the soft j... appears in english as 'z's and 's's and 'g's in a few weird places like measure and garbage, thanks to the language's wide and far borrowing. (IPA symbol is the 3-looking soft Z, usually transcribed into ASCII as a plain Z.) -- --Max Battcher-- http://www.worldmaker.net/ Support Open/Free Mythoi: Read the manifesto @ mythoi.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [Listref] Linear risk or not? X marks the spot...
Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] This report is cited by both 'sides,' so it must be correct! Maybe I should have put a smiley here?;) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8389834/ Even very low doses of radiation pose a risk of cancer over a person's lifetime, a National Academy of Sciences panel concluded. It rejected some scientists' arguments that tiny doses are harmless or may in fact be beneficial... snip But, alas, just general conclusions are given. I've seen papers arguing that the effect is seen when proper data cuts and compensations for other factors are made, but I'd like to see how they were done. So far, I've had no luck with finding such explainations. nods Data still inconclusive, I agree. My conservative (in the medical sense) side comes down on the 'first do no harm' principle. Not sure if it was coincidence or not, but last night one of the PBS stations reran a 'what if a dirty bomb went off in London' program... Debbi Condolences To Those Across The Pond Maru :( Sell on Yahoo! Auctions no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Gulags L3
Just as note that while I did do a lot of thought and research into it it was posted at nearly 5 AM and there are some things I would not have written or at least written better with more sleep. Gary D ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Old news re: Kingdom of Heaven
I didn't realize that my own cat's namesake, Dr. Bashir, was in this movie until I saw the credits - and even then I couldn't figure out which character he was! He looks _very_ different with a beard... http://www.sidcity.net/images/kingdomofheaven/koh-fox-5.jpg Debbi Darby Is Prettier Than That Steed! Maru __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Baxter's Manifold: books
On 4 Jul 2005, at 4:08 am, Bryon Daly wrote: I just recently read Stephen Baxter's first two Manifold books (Manifold: Time and Manifold:Space). I'm wondering if anyone here read them and what they thought of them. I haven't read them, but Time, Space and Origin have all been rated at brin-l-books http://books.scattersoft.com and each averaged an 8/10 score which is pretty good. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee -- that says, fool me once, shame on -- shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again. -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Oldest American?
Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:24:42 -0200 Alberto Monteiro wrote: Leonard Matusik wrote: Wow Alberto! I'm not sure one can get from Rapa Nui to the African coast in a sea canoe. I'm confident you wouldn't get past Tierra del Fuego (even using your testicles for navigation). :D But I am talking about the route West Africa - Brazil, not East Africa - Indian Ocean - Pacific Ocean - etc. It´s about 2000 km of sea travel - probably less than Rapa Nui to the closest big island. Yes quite, That was just an attempt to set up some comedy on my part; not the last you'll see I'm afraid (the prefered reply, by the way, was; Obviously sir, you have never seen my testicles) ANYWAY! It is my opinion that the answer will turn out to be All of the Above after the genetic studies are done. I suspect our ancestors were capable of much more than some give them credit for. I recall one suspicion that these fellows would hunt giant cave bears just to prove their manhood. I'm not sure if I could get talked into doing that. (I stamp my little feet if the ATM machine doesn't work correctly!) LeonardMatusik [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Stross: Accelerando
On 21 Jun 2005, at 3:36 pm, Robert J. Chassell wrote: Stross' novel is called `Accelerando' and I have read it. It can be downloaded from: http://www.accelerando.org/ The novel is not as easy to start as other Stross' books. (I have read Singularity Sky, Iron Sunrise, and the Family Trade, all of which I consider `page turners'. All four of the Stross books you mention are listed on the brin-l- books database at http://books.scattersoft.com In deference to the publisher's wishes _The Family Trade_. is listed under Fantasy. So far no-one has rated _Iron Sunrise_. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. - Bjarne Stroustrup ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Stross: Accelerando
At 06:56 PM Friday 7/8/2005, William T Goodall wrote: On 21 Jun 2005, at 3:36 pm, Robert J. Chassell wrote: Stross' novel is called `Accelerando' and I have read it. It can be downloaded from: http://www.accelerando.org/ The novel is not as easy to start as other Stross' books. (I have read Singularity Sky, Iron Sunrise, and the Family Trade, all of which I consider `page turners'. All four of the Stross books you mention are listed on the brin-l- books database at http://books.scattersoft.com In deference to the publisher's wishes _The Family Trade_. is listed under Fantasy. So far no-one has rated _Iron Sunrise_. Not for lack of trying. When I tried to register, however, I received the following extra-helpful message: quote Brin-l-books User Verification Something or other mysteriously failed. Try again later. int(999) /quote -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
My Neighbor's In A Military Detention Facility In Iraq
Here is a story from PolySciFI Blog - http://polyscifi.blogspot.com/2005/07/my-neighbors-in-military-detention.html Today the New York Times has another great Tim Golden story on U.S. detainment facilities in Iraq. This time, it's not about torture. It's about a guy who lives about a block west of Adam, and maybe a half-mile from me; a documentary filmmaker named Cyrus Kar. Or lived, I should say; nobody knows where he is now, except our government, and they're not saying anything. Kar is a 44-year-old naturalized American citizen who was shooting a documentary about Cyrus the Great. He'd already shot 50 hours of interview footage, and visited Afghanistan and Tajikstan. For his big finale, he was shooting in Babylon. Or that was the plan, anyway; he was in the wrong taxi at the wrong time and since May 17th, he's been held in various U.S. run detainment facilities. It seems pretty clear that he has no ties to the insurgency (he served in the Navy in the 80s). He hasn't been given a lawyer or a hearing, although he is a U.S. citizen. It's worth noting that Kar's family learned he had been detained only after a Red Cross worker, who had visited him in prison, called them. And he hasn't done anything. Money quote: Mr. Kar's relatives and their lawyers said they had been utterly stymied in trying to learn his fate despite repeated inquires at the Defense Department, the Justice Department, the State Department, the allied forces in Iraq and the offices of two United States senators. The relatives said the only detailed information they had received came from one of the F.B.I. agents who searched Mr. Kar's apartment in the Silver Lake neighborhood of Los Angeles on May 23. They said that after analyzing his personal files, computer drives and other materials, the agent, John D. Wilson, returned the seized items on June 14 and assured them that that the F.B.I. had found no reason to suspect Mr. Kar. He's cleared, one of Mr. Kar's aunts, Parvin Modarress of Los Angeles, quoted Mr. Wilson as saying, They were waiting for a lie-detector machine, but they finally got it. He passed the lie-detector test. The New York Times mentioned his Silver Lake apartment, so I looked him up on Zabasearch. This guy lives a block west of Hillhurst Avenue, right in the middle of Silver Lake. We probably shop at the same grocery store. I'm sure I've walked by him on the street more than once (Silver Lake is one of the few neighborhoods in Los Angeles where people do a lot of walking). He's obsessed with making a movie, just like I am. He's done more for his country (re: the Navy) than I probably ever will. And although he was cleared on June 14, as of today, nobody knows where he is or how much longer we're planning on holding him. This is one of our own citizens; somebody like me, but better (hell, he's got somebody paying for post production on one of his projects!) You can agree or disagree with me as to whether U.S. overseas detainment facilities are a gigantic, soul-destroying mess right now. You can agree or disagree that torture is sytemic there (for what it's worth, Kar claimed to have been tortured in a brief phone call home). But I think we should agree to let Kar out of prison, let him finish his movie, and bring him back to Silver Lake. Perhaps we could pay for post-production on his movie, a digital transfer, and a few nice prints for the festival circuit. Although if I were Kar, I'd make a documentary about the last few months, instead. Read the whole thing. (NYTimes) http://nytimes.com/2005/07/06/international/middleeast/06detain.html -- Gary Denton http://www.apollocon.org June 23-25, 2006 Easter Lemming Blogs http://elemming.blogspot.com http://elemming2.blogspot.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Stross: Accelerando
On 7/8/05, Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not for lack of trying. When I tried to register, however, I received the following extra-helpful message: quote Brin-l-books User Verification Something or other mysteriously failed. Try again later. int(999) /quote I was never able to register either. -- Gary Denton http://www.apollocon.org June 23-25, 2006 Easter Lemming Blogs http://elemming.blogspot.com http://elemming2.blogspot.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
To whoever is in charge of the book rating list (was Re: Stross: Accelerando)
At 08:49 PM Friday 7/8/2005, Gary Denton wrote: On 7/8/05, Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not for lack of trying. When I tried to register, however, I received the following extra-helpful message: quote Brin-l-books User Verification Something or other mysteriously failed. Try again later. int(999) /quote I was never able to register either. Hello? Tech support? -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Stross: Accelerando
At 06:56 PM Friday 7/8/2005, William T Goodall wrote: On 21 Jun 2005, at 3:36 pm, Robert J. Chassell wrote: Stross' novel is called `Accelerando' and I have read it. It can be downloaded from: http://www.accelerando.org/ The novel is not as easy to start as other Stross' books. (I have read Singularity Sky, Iron Sunrise, and the Family Trade, all of which I consider `page turners'. All four of the Stross books you mention are listed on the brin-l- books database at http://books.scattersoft.com In deference to the publisher's wishes _The Family Trade_. is listed under Fantasy. So far no-one has rated _Iron Sunrise_. Since I can't seem to register in order to do so, I'll just say that I give it a thumbs up¹ (Frex, I wish I'd thought of the idea for the second-strike MAD weapon employed therein . . . ) _ ¹In the modern sense. -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
