On 7/23/06, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 24/07/2006, at 12:01 PM, David Hobby wrote:
Welcome back. I think you're missing Charlie's point.
To me, his argument is that it is VERY hard to draw a clear
line between things that can turn into adult humans and things
that can't. I
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So if individual angels are so small that nonstandard analysis is needed to
deal with them, why do they make so bloody much noise bowling? Midnight
hates it and ducks under the table (where he can feel sort of protected
from above while still being
David Hobby wrote:
Yes, that's the kind of thing I was thinking of. Alberto
was talking about probability. Since all probabilities
sum to one, that might well imply that each god got
probability zero.
No, there may be infinite a priori gods, but they can
form a converging sequence, like
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 11:03 PM Sunday 7/23/2006, maru dubshinki wrote:
~maru
we can clearly through a simple diagonal argument along the lines of
cantor that the number of angels is uncountable, and thus the number
of angels that can dance on the head of a pin is the same number as
the
John Horn wrote:
We've been good until then. I have several friends who still don't
have power almost a week later. And there are hundred's of
thousands of others throughout the area. We were very, very lucky!
I'm about 20 miles south of Dave and Nick. Because we're farther away
from
JDG said:
How terribly disappointing. How anyone could consider a half-cell
to be human is beyond me.
Sperm and ova aren't half cells. They are whole cells.
Now, here's a question. Suppose we have a fertilised human ovum in a
test tube and some other human cell in another test tube, and
Charlie said:
It's been done with other mammals, and I wouldn't be at all
surprised if there aren't a handful of chimeric humans out there.
Apparently 8% of fraternal twins are blood chimerae because of cell
exchange through a shared placenta. There are various other kinds of
recorded
On 26/07/2006, at 3:35 AM, Richard Baker wrote:
Charlie said:
It's been done with other mammals, and I wouldn't be at all
surprised if there aren't a handful of chimeric humans out there.
Apparently 8% of fraternal twins are blood chimerae because of
cell exchange through a shared
At 08:31 AM Tuesday 7/25/2006, Julia Thompson wrote:
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 11:03 PM Sunday 7/23/2006, maru dubshinki wrote:
~maru
we can clearly through a simple diagonal argument along the lines of
cantor that the number of angels is uncountable, and thus the number
of angels that can
At 10:54 AM Tuesday 7/25/2006, Horn, John wrote:
It's not as hot here (St. Louis) as it was. And we have power,
unlike a lot of other people here.
As you probably heard, some really nasty storms rolled unexpectedly
through St. Louis last Wednesday. I was at a friend's house and
didn't realize
...and Despair. (Shelly)
Here's a quick teaser for the Collapse discussion; a summary of the
prologue. Hopefully we can draw a little more interest.
The above quote is from Shelly's poem Ozymandus:
I met a traveler from and antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand
On 26/07/2006, at 9:23 AM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
That's all I've got time for right now. I'm on vacation (and away
from my computer) for the next four days. I'll get started on Part
1, Modern Montana, when I return. Any suggestions on or off list
are encouraged and appreciated. I'm
Folks,
FAIR reports on FEMA's response to FAIR's earlier piece (brought to
our attention by Nick) here:
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2926
FEMA officer James Stark denies that FEMA policies prevent members of
the media from contacting residents, and goes on to say that FEMA has
a
On 7/25/06, Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are millions in heat-affected areas nationwide who can afford
neither air conditioning at home nor to stay in a hotel.
Libraries around here have had to drag out folding chairs and tables to
accomodate all the people who are
Charlie Bell wrote:
Doug Pensinger wrote:
I'm on vacation (and away from my computer) for the next four
days. I'll get started on Part 1, Modern Montana, when I return.
I'm going to try to get the book from the library today, failing
that I'll see if they have an unloaned copy in another
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Very interesting ones, but
indisputably human.
You use that word indisputably, but doesn't the fact that a new
species name has been proposed *by definition* imply that at least one
person believes the HeLa to be non-human? After
In a message dated 7/24/2006 11:05:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There is an argument that as they are independent and an immortal
cell line, that they could be considered an example of a speciation
event, but all that means is that we've chosen to call them
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In Robert Sawyer's *Mindscan* he postulates that when Roe v. Wade
is overturned the definition of human life the Supreme Court
adopts is individualization., two weeks after fertilization.
[lengthy reasoning deleted]
Of course, one
In a message dated 7/25/2006 12:22:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes, it's murder to kill a twin... if they've been born. But look at
the developmental mess that twinning can result in, and the ethical
conundra that result. Conjoined twins, parasitic twins.
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There's something else to being human, and
it's to do with our minds not our bodies.
Conjoined twins, parasitic twins. See you
avoided the rest. They're uncomfortable thoughts, aren't they,
but it's not science fiction.
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For one thing, does Iraq not producing WMD also mean that Iraq
had no stockpiles of WMD? Does it also mean that Iraq was not
retaining to capacity to restart WMD programs as soon as
sanctions were lifted? Yes, Nick, it is
On 26/07/2006, at 11:30 AM, jdiebremse wrote:
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Very interesting ones, but
indisputably human.
You use that word indisputably, but doesn't the fact that a new
species name has been proposed *by definition* imply that at least one
On 26/07/2006, at 11:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would think that by the standard definition of a species a cell line
cannot qualify. A species is a group of individuals who can or do
interbreed. I
don't know how a cell culture can qualify a species.
They're free living (on
It's with a heavy heart that I must report the SciFi Channel has sunk to a
new all time low.
I can only guess that SciFi Channel felt as if they had to do one worse than
Tremors: The Series, and Scare Tactics.
[Deep sigh here] As I type this, the SciFi Channel is showing professional
On 7/25/06, jdiebremse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I couldn't disagree more. To me, no WMDs means no WMDs.
Suffice to say, I don't think most people see the Iraq situation so
simplistically.
Aw, c'mon John. We weren't talking about the Iraq situation, which is
anything but simple. We were
At 08:30 PM Tuesday 7/25/2006, jdiebremse wrote:
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Very interesting ones, but
indisputably human.
You use that word indisputably, but doesn't the fact that a new
species name has been proposed *by definition* imply that at least
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
After all, how can you
propose a new species name for humanity?
Very easily. _Homo technologia_ could be the next step, if they
form
a separate breeding group from baseline humans.
Or Homo symbioticus (or whatever the name
jdiebremse wrote:
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm sure we'll eventually be able to clone humans from single
cells.
Are you saying that this would be by some other method than injecting
cell or cell information from an adult into a donor egg cell?
JDG
On 26/07/2006, at 11:43 AM, jdiebremse wrote:
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There's something else to being human, and
it's to do with our minds not our bodies.
Conjoined twins, parasitic twins. See you
avoided the rest. They're uncomfortable thoughts,
On 26/07/2006, at 1:07 PM, jdiebremse wrote:
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
After all, how can you
propose a new species name for humanity?
Very easily. _Homo technologia_ could be the next step, if they
form
a separate breeding group from baseline humans.
Gary Nunn wrote:
It's with a heavy heart that I must report the SciFi Channel has sunk to a
new all time low.
I can only guess that SciFi Channel felt as if they had to do one worse than
Tremors: The Series, and Scare Tactics.
[Deep sigh here] As I type this, the SciFi Channel is
From: Gary Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It's with a heavy heart that I must report the SciFi Channel has sunk to a
new all time low.
I can only guess that SciFi Channel felt as if they had to do one worse
than
Tremors: The Series, and Scare Tactics.
[Deep sigh here] As I type this,
How about a little pure speculation?
Maybe an executive, knowing he was about to get canned at TNT, quickly
transferred to SciFi and took his pet show(s) with him.
It must be a consipriacy between the professional wrestlers and the Who wants
to be a superhero show. I'm shocked and amazed that
On Jul 25, 2006, at 4:23 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
...and Despair. (Shelly)
The above quote is from Shelly's poem Ozymandus:
I met a traveler from and antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered vissage
From: Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: Wealthy couples travel to U.S. to choose baby's sex
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:15:19 +1000
On 26/07/2006, at 11:43 AM, jdiebremse wrote:
And a
On 26/07/2006, at 3:05 PM, PAT MATHEWS wrote:
From: Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: Wealthy couples travel to U.S. to choose baby's sex
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:15:19 +1000
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