Shirley someone can do better than this
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Re: RE; The Enlightenment
Catching up slowly with postage... -- jdiebremse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: [Dan? I'm not recalling exactly-] One of the ideas that came from the Enlightenment is that all men are created equal. That concept means that the differences in intelligence, race, religion, age, are superficial differences when discussing human rights. We are all endowed with equal rights (most think that the use of the word men was not intended to exclude women as having no rights)..no matter how different we are. Just going to point out that Africans *didn't* count as full human (3/5s of a person, I believe was specified, in the matter of population, although of course they did not get 3/5s of a vote in elections) to certain framers of the Constitution [#] I don't recall what I said exactly in the # comment, but I think it was something like the last sentence of my paragragh below. In fairness, my recollection is that it was the people who believed that Africans *were* fully human, and who thus were anti-slavery, who argued for the 3/5ths clause. I believe it was the people who were pro-slavery that opposed the 3/5ths clause. wry Is this humor? Otherwise, white slave-holders would have had their voting weight in Congress fully accounting for their non-voting slaves. The hypocrisy of having votes for 'non-human-beings' still stands. And women were sub-human WRT rights until the 20th century. But postponing the war over slavery was essential to the establishment of the United States, so it was probably a necessary evil - for which we continue to pay a heavy price daily. Debbi Lived In LA During The Watts Riots Maru __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Neighbors Stealing Wireless Bandwidth? One Man's Solution
One of my co-workers sent me this This is beautiful :-) One man's solution to the neighbors stealing his wireless bandwidth: http://www.ex-parrot.com/peter/upside-down-ternet.html ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Interesting blog
More catching up- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A surgeon started a blog recently. I found this entry particularly interesting: http://surgeonsblog.blogspot.com/2006/07/global-warming-inoperable-truth.html Amazing - a surgeon with a non-ossified sense of humor, including gasp about himself! The following response to a derogatory commentator made me LOL: My feeling is that people who reject science shouldn't be allowed to have it both ways: no global warming -- no antibiotics for you. No evolution -- no herceptin. But I digress. For now, thanks for visiting. Come again. Ditto! Debbi Equine-Produced Greenhouse Gases Are Reduced Compared To 100 Years Ago Maru ;) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Neighbors Stealing Wireless Bandwidth? One Man's Solution
On 8/17/06, Gary Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of my co-workers sent me this This is beautiful :-) One man's solution to the neighbors stealing his wireless bandwidth: Dave and I are laughing out loud... but on the other hand, just encrypt your wireless, ya dolt. Too much time on his hands, perhaps. Nick -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Messages: 408-904-7198 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Neighbors Stealing Wireless Bandwidth? One Man's Solution
On 18/08/2006, at 9:26 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: Dave and I are laughing out loud... but on the other hand, just encrypt your wireless, ya dolt. Too much time on his hands, perhaps. As he says I could encrypt it or alternately I could have fun. Which is awesome... 'cause what are they gonna do... Why is the wireless access I'm nicking going weird Aha... it's YOU!!! D'oh eilrahC uraM sdrawkcaB ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Neighbors Stealing Wireless Bandwidth? One Man's Solution
On 8/17/06, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18/08/2006, at 9:26 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: Dave and I are laughing out loud... but on the other hand, just encrypt your wireless, ya dolt. Too much time on his hands, perhaps. As he says I could encrypt it or alternately I could have fun. Which is awesome... 'cause what are they gonna do... Why is the wireless access I'm nicking going weird Aha... it's YOU!!! D'oh We're now concocting possible practical jokes for the new office we'll move into soon. Nick -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Messages: 408-904-7198 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Moving to Montana Soon?
I'm still on the waiting list for this book, but doggonit, I'm going to jump in anyway (after all, not having read the book hasn't stopped me from joining the discussions at my book club!). [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim wrote: I have a bit of a problem with this idea that environmentalism and economics are mortal enemies. There has to be some middle ground. In fact, in the long run, environmentalism makes good business sense. The problem is that so many businesses in this country don't take the long run into account - next week, next month, maybe next year, but five years from now? WTF cares. And yet Diamond has written about oil or gas exploration in his beloved New Guinea (either in Collapse or an Op Ed piece can't remember) about one of the companies being very cognizant of environmental issues (had to do with how they built the roads to and from the mining sites I think amoung other things). He contrasted this to another company with more traditional approach; the environmentally aware company did better - sorry that I can't remember the details. The conclusion was that environmentally sensitive actions were not more expensive. One way use the market to insure environmental protection is to insure that the costs of doing business include the environmental costs (e.g how much will cost to clean up a site after it is mined out). We have a better handle on this now. If the true cots are figured in a corporation will have to make a market driven choice as to how much it is worth to do something to the environment since it will have to pay those costs. Similarly, people are frequently willing to pay more for organic or 'fair trade' products, such as milk or coffee/tea. When educated about benefits to the environment or local populace, folks often choose to support those goals; of course, one has to have the income to back up one's desires. Debbi who had a boyfriend from Missoula, at one point, and has hiked in the Bitterroots __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Shirley someone can do better than this
On Aug 17, 2006, at 1:22 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: My Very Educated Mother Cece Just Served Us Nine Pumpkins Carved 'X-actly'. I guess it's time for a mnew mnemonic. If I hadn't heard a show on NPR today about the meeting of the IAU and the planetary mnaming conundrum, I'd have had mno idea what the heck you were going on about. The only thing that this mnemonic has going for it is that the use of the mneologism 'X-actly' forces Xena to be in quotes, just as it should until it gets a proper mname. MNick has a grand-daughter mnamed Celma -- maybe she can be forever immortalized in a Brin-L-originated mnemonic for the 12 planets plus plutons. Dave Plutinos, anyone? Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Question for Charlie
Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote: Richard Baker wrote: snippage ... Suppose we have a time scoop that can pluck ancestors of modern humans out of the past and into the present ...enough to make up a small town's population, grabbing them at 1000 year intervals...I don't think anyone would argue that the ancestors from AD1000, AD1 or 1000BC shouldn't be granted human rights. But how about the small rodent-like ones from 100,000,000BC? Then where is the line to be drawn? I think this imaginary experiment shows that human rights should be granted to animals, but with less strict criteria. For example, chimps should have some human rights, but not all [at least now]. And protections ought to be granted to other, less intelligent animals -- frex at least minimal space to move, sunlight exposure, non-fetid air etc. for our food animals. Excessive suffering, such as endured by geese for fois gras or calves for veal, should be outlawed (and in some places already is). Laws that are already in place against cruelty need to be enforced. I've previously lambasted various portions of the horse showing and racing world - but quick profit trumps stewardship in too many cases. Debbi Barbaro And Ruffian And... Maru:/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Shirley someone can do better than this
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: My Very Educated Mother Cece Just Served Us Nine Pumpkins Carved 'X-actly'. The longer they get, the harder they are. Is there a us pumpkins nicely carved version of it for when they are in the other order? I never used mnemonics, at least until Oh, be a fine girl, kiss me right now. ---David Here on Sol III, Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Jobs, not trees! (Collapse, Chapter 2)
Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It's certainly hard to convince people without food that the red- footed gnatcatcher's needs are greater than their own. Even if you can convince them in the abstract that the extinction of another species is a Bad Thing (tm), convincing them in the real when their priorities are more along the line of survival is something else entirely, I'll warrant. Responsible ecotourism and 'fair trade' companies could really help in this area, by giving economic incentives for preserving, or at least minimally impacting, various ecosystems, such as reefs, jungles and river basins. As Bob said: BobZ wrote: In a sense ecology is for the rich; it is up to the rich who use a vastly disproportionate amount of the worlds resources and who have the technologic skill to do something about the environment to do it. This is not charity it is self-preservation for the haves as well as the have nots. A major economic and environmentatl upheaval will create chaos. It will scramble the deck. Those on top are unlikely to be on top afterwards not because they are inherently corrupt but because being on top is luck in the first place and you tend not to get lucky too many times in a row. Educating the rich about their peril, should chaos befall, is rather what Al is attempting to do with his movie, I think. Of course 'doing it because it's right' is good and noble, but some people need to see why sustaining a healthy environment and helping the have-nots out of severe poverty are important *to their way of life.* Debbi Educate, Inform, Empower Maru __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Jobs, not trees! (Collapse, Chapter 2)
Alberto wrote: I can compare Bangladesh with the poorest areas in my hometown, Rio de Janeiro, who is located between sea and mountain[*]. _If_ rising sea waters is not a myth [**], then the coastal areas would be the first to sink. But no poor guys worry about ecology, and keep doing disastrous things to the environment, like dumping trash in the sea or razing the tree coverage of the hills. An sea level increase of 1 meter will flood 15% of Bangladesh. Look at the map, the whole place is a river delta. [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Satellite_image_of_Bangladesh_in_October_2001.jpg ] [**] if you put ice in a cup, and let it melt, the water level doesn't rise. Sea levels might rise if we consider ice in Antarctica and inland, but there might be other factors here. Two things. The ice in western Antarctica and Greenland is melting at unprecedented rates. This is water flowing from land to the ocean and resulting in an increase in sea level. Second, while the fact that Arctic ice melt will not effect sea level directly, the change in emissivity between reflective ice and absorbent open ocean will speed the warming of the oceans and have who knows what effect on global weather patterns. So yea, there are other factors here. 8^) -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Jobs, not trees! (Collapse, Chapter 2)
On Bob wrote: I just disagree with Alberto's statement that ecology is for rich people. Bangladesh is one of the poorest nations in the world and is most vulnerable to rising sea levels. Do you think that they’ll be shouting Jobs, not dry land? In a sense ecology is for the rich; it is up to the rich who use a vastly disproportionate amount of the worlds resources and who have the technologic skill to do something about the environment to do it. This is not charity it is self-preservation for the haves as well as the have nots. A major economic and environmentatl upheaval will create chaos. It will scramble the deck. Those on top are unlikely to be on top afterwards not because they are inherently corrupt but because being on top is luck in the first place and you tend not to get lucky too many times in a row. I don't disagree with any of that. Certianly those that have more have more to loose. That doesn't mean (and I'm not implying that anyone said this, just making an observation) that the less well to do are all brain dead morons that don't give a sh*t about what might befall civilization as a result of industrialization. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Neighbors Stealing Wireless Bandwidth? One Man's Solution
Nick Arnett wrote: On 8/17/06, Gary Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of my co-workers sent me this This is beautiful :-) One man's solution to the neighbors stealing his wireless bandwidth: Dave and I are laughing out loud... but on the other hand, just encrypt your wireless, ya dolt. Too much time on his hands, perhaps. Nick Yeah, but if he just encrypted it, there wouldn't be that fun web page for us all to enjoy! (And give people ideas) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
The Great Race 2008
http://www.greatrace2008.com/ Alternative fuel and hybrid-powered automobiles will compete in an around-the-world race next February--the centennial of the Greatest Auto Race--to prove the viability of new automotive technologies. The Great Race World 35,000 km, New York to Paris 2008 offers a $1 million Innovation Prize to the Innovation Technology division winner. A $500,000 prize will go to the winner of the Classic division, which includes cars from 1969 or earlier. The race will start in New York and is expected to finish in Paris 80 days later. xponent Vrooom Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
