Re: A videogame that will make William happy
On Jun 6, 2008, at 7:05 AM, William T Goodall wrote: On 6 Jun 2008, at 13:35, Alberto Monteiro wrote: http://www.wsls.com/sls/news/local/article/object_of_new_video_game_is_to_sto p_the_spread_of_christianity_and_islam/11957/ I don't like computer games. Waste of time Maru I mean, honestly, what did anyone _expect_ him to say? Alberto's post was no more or less a troll than any of William's... As far as the substance of WTG's response, well, we're all entitled to our likes and dislikes, no? I find the endless threads about Battlestar Galactica and Lost nothing so much as Delete-button-fodder, but I happen to enjoy some computer games. I just finished Portal with my son: it's a fun, short puzzle game, kind of a first-person-shooter where you don't shoot anything living. I'm sure that would ruin it for Call of Duty or GTA fans. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: A videogame that will make William happy
On 6 Jun 2008, at 15:43, Olin Elliott wrote: I don't like computer games. Waste of time Maru. More of a waste of time than watching television? Computer games are a kind of amateur sports for people who aren't good at sports. I believe they even adjust their difficulty automatically to suit the player, presenting a gratifying illusion of challenge and success. The best television is an art form. I don't need to justify art do I? Culture Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I embraced OS X as soon as it was available and have never looked back. - Neal Stephenson ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: A videogame that will make William happy
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008, Dave Land wrote: On Jun 6, 2008, at 7:05 AM, William T Goodall wrote: On 6 Jun 2008, at 13:35, Alberto Monteiro wrote: http://www.wsls.com/sls/news/local/article/object_of_new_video_game_is_to_sto p_the_spread_of_christianity_and_islam/11957/ I don't like computer games. Waste of time Maru I mean, honestly, what did anyone _expect_ him to say? Alberto's post was no more or less a troll than any of William's... As far as the substance of WTG's response, well, we're all entitled to our likes and dislikes, no? I find the endless threads about Battlestar Galactica and Lost nothing so much as Delete-button-fodder, but I happen to enjoy some computer games. I just finished Portal with my son: it's a fun, short puzzle game, kind of a first-person-shooter where you don't shoot anything living. I'm sure that would ruin it for Call of Duty or GTA fans. Dave I don't play computer games, either (I would rather be reading blogs), but I have heard about Portal. Portal fans are an odd lot, and enough of my friends and acquaintances are enthusiastic about it that I have, in fact, declared the cake to be a lie on at least one occasion. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: A videogame that will make William happy
On 6/6/08, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6 Jun 2008, at 15:43, Olin Elliott wrote: I don't like computer games. Waste of time Maru. More of a waste of time than watching television? Computer games are a kind of amateur sports for people who aren't good at sports. I believe they even adjust their difficulty automatically to suit the player, presenting a gratifying illusion of challenge and success. Spoken like someone who isn't any good at computer games. ;-) The best television is an art form. I don't need to justify art do I? Culture Maru The best computer games are art as well. I've even heard people talk about the artistic beauty of a perfectly executed pick and roll in basketball. *Anything* can be done as an art form. -- Mauro Diotallevi Alcohol and calculus don't mix. Don't drink and derive. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: A videogame that will make William happy
On 07/06/2008, at 1:46 AM, Dave Land wrote: As far as the substance of WTG's response, well, we're all entitled to our likes and dislikes, no? I find the endless threads about Battlestar Galactica and Lost nothing so much as Delete-button-fodder, but I happen to enjoy some computer games. I just finished Portal with my son: it's a fun, short puzzle game, kind of a first-person-shooter where you don't shoot anything living. I'm sure that would ruin it for Call of Duty or GTA fans. Not really. Good games are good games. I loved Lemmings and the Lucasarts adventures (Monkey Island, Grim Fandango, Loom, The Dig...) as much as San Andreas and GTA4 (and Half Life, Far Cry, Deus Ex...). Portal I'm meaning to get to, but I have a pile of unplayed games right now, bizarrely - Psychonauts, Prey, Pathologic, Burnout Paradise, Tomb Raider Anniversary and about half of GTA4 need playing... Charlie. Eclectic In Games Taste Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
USA Presidential Race
Now that it looks like it's McCain vs. Obama (listed in alphabetical order) I was wondering what you all think of this matchup. I'm especially interested in what our friends from outside of the USA think. john ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: A videogame that will make William happy
On 6 Jun 2008, at 17:04, Mauro Diotallevi wrote: On 6/6/08, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6 Jun 2008, at 15:43, Olin Elliott wrote: I don't like computer games. Waste of time Maru. More of a waste of time than watching television? Computer games are a kind of amateur sports for people who aren't good at sports. I believe they even adjust their difficulty automatically to suit the player, presenting a gratifying illusion of challenge and success. Spoken like someone who isn't any good at computer games. ;-) Wouldn't I have to play them to find out how good I am? Which I don't. The best television is an art form. I don't need to justify art do I? Culture Maru The best computer games are art as well. I'm sure artistry goes into making them. I just don't see it in playing them. I've even heard people talk about the artistic beauty of a perfectly executed pick and roll in basketball. *Anything* can be done as an art form. I think that's stretching a bit far. Hyperbole Maru The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. - Albert Einstein -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: A videogame that will make William happy
I'm sure that artistry goes into making them, I just don't see the artistry in palying them. The same argument could be applied to making as opposed to watching tv. - Original Message - From: William T Goodallmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussionmailto:brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: A videogame that will make William happy On 6 Jun 2008, at 17:04, Mauro Diotallevi wrote: On 6/6/08, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6 Jun 2008, at 15:43, Olin Elliott wrote: I don't like computer games. Waste of time Maru. More of a waste of time than watching television? Computer games are a kind of amateur sports for people who aren't good at sports. I believe they even adjust their difficulty automatically to suit the player, presenting a gratifying illusion of challenge and success. Spoken like someone who isn't any good at computer games. ;-) Wouldn't I have to play them to find out how good I am? Which I don't. The best television is an art form. I don't need to justify art do I? Culture Maru The best computer games are art as well. I'm sure artistry goes into making them. I just don't see it in playing them. I've even heard people talk about the artistic beauty of a perfectly executed pick and roll in basketball. *Anything* can be done as an art form. I think that's stretching a bit far. Hyperbole Maru The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. - Albert Einstein -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.ukhttp://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk/ Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-lhttp://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: A videogame that will make William happy
On 6/6/08, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6 Jun 2008, at 17:04, Mauro Diotallevi wrote: I've even heard people talk about the artistic beauty of a perfectly executed pick and roll in basketball. *Anything* can be done as an art form. I think that's stretching a bit far. Hyperbole Maru serious It isn't hyperbole at all. All of life is art. In fact, google all of life is art sometime, and read with an open mind. /serious -- Mauro Diotallevi Alcohol and calculus don't mix. Don't drink and derive. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Portal (was Re: A videogame that will make William happy)
Dave Land wrote: I just finished Portal with my son: it's a fun, short puzzle game, kind of a first-person-shooter where you don't shoot anything living. I'm sure that would ruin it for Call of Duty or GTA fans. The Orange Box was the best game purchase I have made in at least five years, and that's in large part due to the sheer awesome of Portal, which I consider to be easily the best game of 2007 (although to be fair, my graphics card is poo so I never got to play Bioshock). Excellent puzzles, just the right length, and a wonky, dark sense of humor made it a truly excellent experience. The other part of its awesome is TF2, which as I once mentioned in my LJ is just about the most fun you can have at your computer while still wearing pants. :-) Jim Valve rules Maru ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Portal (was Re: A videogame that will make William happy)
At 01:29 PM Friday 6/6/2008, Jim Sharkey wrote: The other part of its awesome is TF2, which as I once mentioned in my LJ is just about the most fun you can have at your computer while still wearing pants. :-) You have your computer in your bathroom too? . . . ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Portal (was Re: A videogame that will make William happy)
Ronn! Blankenship wrote: Jim Sharkey wrote: The other part of its awesome is TF2, which as I once mentioned in my LJ is just about the most fun you can have at your computer while still wearing pants. :-) You have your computer in your bathroom too? If I did, you can be sure I'd be playing on the can too. Jim Another succeful procedure Maru ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: A videogame that will make William happy
Dave Land wrote: http://www.wsls.com/sls/news/local/article/object_of_new_video_game_is_to_sto p_the_spread_of_christianity_and_islam/11957/ I don't like computer games. Waste of time Maru I mean, honestly, what did anyone _expect_ him to say? I expected him to say it's a good idea! Alberto's post was no more or less a troll than any of William's... As far as the substance of WTG's response, well, we're all entitled to our likes and dislikes, no? I find the endless threads about Battlestar Galactica and Lost nothing so much as Delete-button-fodder, but I happen to enjoy some computer games. I just finished Portal with my son: it's a fun, short puzzle game, kind of a first-person-shooter where you don't shoot anything living. I'm sure that would ruin it for Call of Duty or GTA fans. If that videogame ever gets published, the purpose of it is to slay Muhammad and Abraham before they establish Islam and Judaism. I don't think there's a Jesus-slaying mode: it seems pointless, because he would also resurect if, instead of being crucified, he was mowed with a chainsaw or torched with laser guns Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: USA Presidential Race
John Garcia wrote: Now that it looks like it's McCain vs. Obama (listed in alphabetical order) I was wondering what you all think of this matchup. I'm especially interested in what our friends from outside of the USA think. Here in Brazil it seems that McCain will easily win, and that Obama is like a fringe candidate, just there to prove that Dems aren't racist bigots (and Hillary was there just to prove the non-sexism). Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: A videogame that will make William happy
Alberto Monteiro wrote: If that videogame ever gets published, the purpose of it is to slay Muhammad and Abraham before they establish Islam and Judaism. I don't think there's a Jesus-slaying mode: it seems pointless, because he would also resurect if, instead of being crucified, he was mowed with a chainsaw or torched with laser guns U... No Abraham, no Judaism, no Christianity. Right? Or am I missing something here --[Lance] -- GPG Fingerprint: 409B A409 A38D 92BF 15D9 6EEE 9A82 F2AC 69AC 07B9 CACert.org Assurer ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: A videogame that will make William happy
Lance A. Brown wrote: If that videogame ever gets published, the purpose of it is to slay Muhammad and Abraham before they establish Islam and Judaism. I don't think there's a Jesus-slaying mode: it seems pointless, because he would also resurect if, instead of being crucified, he was mowed with a chainsaw or torched with laser guns U... No Abraham, no Judaism, no Christianity. Right? Or am I missing something here No Abraham _could_ mean that another people would be chosen as God's people. It's a game with time travel, don't expect too much logic in it! Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: A videogame that will make William happy
Julia Thompson wrote: ... I don't play computer games, either (I would rather be reading blogs), but I have heard about Portal. Portal fans are an odd lot, and enough of my friends and acquaintances are enthusiastic about it that I have, in fact, declared the cake to be a lie on at least one occasion. ... Julia-- Google has no hits for declared the cake to be a lie, and hits without the quotes don't really produce a clear picture. Help? ---David ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: A videogame that will make William happy
David Hobby wrote: Google has no hits for declared the cake to be a lie, and hits without the quotes don't really produce a clear picture. In Portal, a disembodied female voice assures you that if you pass all the puzzles, there will be cake at the end. But you find evidence that not all is as it seems, and several times you see this on the walls: http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/268/cakeisalieka8.jpg Assuming the link works, anyway. Jim We do what we must because we can Maru ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Portal (was Re: A videogame that will make William happy)
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008, Jim Sharkey wrote: The other part of its awesome is TF2, which as I once mentioned in my LJ is just about the most fun you can have at your computer while still wearing pants. :-) Hm. Define pants. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: A videogame that will make William happy
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008, Alberto Monteiro wrote: If that videogame ever gets published, the purpose of it is to slay Muhammad and Abraham before they establish Islam and Judaism. I don't think there's a Jesus-slaying mode: it seems pointless, because he would also resurect if, instead of being crucified, he was mowed with a chainsaw or torched with laser guns Yes, but what happens if you roll a shed with several gasoline-engine items in it over him? (Besides the obvious of the shed destructing and the items housing the engines being not terribly useful for yardwork afterwards?) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: A videogame that will make William happy
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008, David Hobby wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: ... I don't play computer games, either (I would rather be reading blogs), but I have heard about Portal. Portal fans are an odd lot, and enough of my friends and acquaintances are enthusiastic about it that I have, in fact, declared the cake to be a lie on at least one occasion. ... Julia-- Google has no hits for declared the cake to be a lie, and hits without the quotes don't really produce a clear picture. Help? ---David Try The cake is a lie. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: A videogame that will make William happy
On Jun 6, 2008, at 4:02 PM, Julia Thompson wrote: On Fri, 6 Jun 2008, Julia Thompson wrote: On Fri, 6 Jun 2008, David Hobby wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: ... I don't play computer games, either (I would rather be reading blogs), but I have heard about Portal. Portal fans are an odd lot, and enough of my friends and acquaintances are enthusiastic about it that I have, in fact, declared the cake to be a lie on at least one occasion. ... Julia-- Google has no hits for declared the cake to be a lie, and hits without the quotes don't really produce a clear picture. Help? ---David Try The cake is a lie. Julia Oh, and I've also said various things about the Boolean value of cake, but I don't know if that'll turn up hits on Google. Julia Cake is either TRUE or -1, depending on its type. :) When you mention that we want five debates, say what they are: one on the economy, one on foreign policy, with another on global threats and national security, one on the environment, and one on strengthening family life, which would include health care, education, and retirement. I also think there should be one on parts of speech and sentence structure. And one on fractions. -- Toby Ziegler ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: A videogame that will make William happy
At 04:12 PM Friday 6/6/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: Cake is either TRUE or -1, depending on its type. :) Many would say holiday fruitcake is -(infinity). . . . ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: A videogame that will make William happy
On Jun 6, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Mauro Diotallevi wrote: On 6/6/08, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The best television is an art form. I don't need to justify art do I? Culture Maru TV is a video game that doesn't demand anything of you. Let someone else do all the thinking. Just sit there and suck away at that electronic teat. And don't even bother to say more, please, because there is more and more and more and ... It's no surprise that they call it television programming: it's a virus that runs in your head. The best computer games are art as well. I've even heard people talk about the artistic beauty of a perfectly executed pick and roll in basketball. *Anything* can be done as an art form. Oddworld Inhabitants, the company behind the delightful Oddworld series, make such richly textured, beautiful worlds that their next project, set in the same universe as the games, is a motion picture. One And The Same Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: USA Presidential Race
Hi John, Here in Australia most people are rather bemused by how drawn out the nomination process is, and wonder if it wouldn't be simpler to hold all the primaries on a single weekend and get it over and done with. I think the majority of the Australian public would prefer it if Obama is the next president, as the Republicans are seen as unnecessarily belicose. I would have thought that Obama Clinton sniping at other over the past months will make it harder for the Democrats to win, but I can't believe that the American public will vote the Republicans back in after all the lives lost in an unnecessary war. Regards, Wayne Eddy. Now that it looks like it's McCain vs. Obama (listed in alphabetical order) I was wondering what you all think of this matchup. I'm especially interested in what our friends from outside of the USA think. john ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: USA Presidential Race
At 10:42 PM Friday 6/6/2008, Wayne Eddy wrote: Hi John, Here in Australia most people are rather bemused by how drawn out the nomination process is, and wonder if it wouldn't be simpler to hold all the primaries on a single weekend and get it over and done with. I think the majority of the Australian public would prefer it if Obama is the next president, as the Republicans are seen as unnecessarily belicose. I would have thought that Obama Clinton sniping at other over the past months will make it harder for the Democrats to win, but I can't believe that the American public will vote the Republicans back in after all the lives lost in an unnecessary war. There are still some who do not see it as unnecessary. . . . ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
