date:20081020

And folks are voting by the drove already.  My girlfriend and I voted
early yesterday afternoon and they had had almost 2,500 people through
the system for just that day.  If enough people vote early, no October
surprise will make a difference.

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Re: No more feeding the troll (was Re: Debunking B.S. from the so-called debunker )

2008-10-20 Thread Charlie Bell


On 20/10/2008, at 9:59 PM, William T Goodall wrote:
 Do you think it is reasonable that someone should participate in a
 discussion they are also moderating?

In a public forum or in a democracy, no.

But this is a private forum, on a private server. It's entirely  
reasonable for the host to both partake in the conversation and to  
express displeasure at behaviour deemed disruptive.

And that's the last feeding I shall do.

Charlie.
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Re: No more feeding the troll (was Re: Debunking B.S. from the so-called debunker )

2008-10-20 Thread Richard Baker

Charlie said:

 But this is a private forum, on a private server. It's entirely
 reasonable for the host to both partake in the conversation and to
 express displeasure at behaviour deemed disruptive.

And, of course, anyone who's unhappy with the situation can fairly  
easily set up a third Brin-L.

Rich
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On 20 Oct 2008, at 05:38, Doug Pensinger wrote:

 William wrote:

 I really don't think you are fit to be list manager. You should do  
 the
 decent thing and quit.

 Are you volunteering your time and equipment?


I could get it set up in a few days if necessary.

Not yet Maru

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Re: Two Weeks To Go

And I can vote early starting today.

Need to read up on the local candidates for county offices before I go, 
though, to make informed decisions there.

Julia


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Re: Two Weeks To Go

2008-10-20 Thread Euan Ritchie


 The Presidency is now a poisoned chalice.

If Obama wins, as seems likely, an unambiguous majority and gets a
decent mandate I'm curious what he'll do with it.

The poor guy is being hailed as if a messiah and no doubt is going to
disappoint some by not being able to magic wealth enough to balance
budgets and world friendship for the U.S out of thin air.

But he could do some momentous things if he has the will and courage.

Acting immediately to dismantle the mechanisms of state terror that have
been levelled against the U.S citizenry to cowe them from confronting
the ruling kleptocracy would be nice.

Doing something to bury Hamiltonian concepts of imperial presidents
would be nice.

Will he, I wonder, want to give up the power grabbed for the executive
by Bush?

Something I'm pretty sure he won't do is make a point of demonstrating
the U.S is a country of laws by actively pursuing and prosecuting
accomplices of executive crimes, though it's an nice daydream to have.
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Re: No more feeding the troll (was Re: Debunking B.S. from the so-called debunker )

William T Goodall said the following on 10/20/2008 6:59 AM:
 Do you think it is reasonable that someone should participate in a  
 discussion they are also moderating?

Absolutely.

--[Lance]

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Fwd: Mobile Phone Database

Everyone who buys a mobile telephone will be forced to register their
identity on a national database under government plans to extend
massively the powers of state surveillance.

Phone buyers would have to present a passport or other official form
of identification at the point of purchase. Privacy campaigners fear
it marks the latest government move to create a surveillance society.

A compulsory national register for the owners of all 72m mobile phones
in Britain would be part of a much bigger database to combat terrorism
and crime. Whitehall officials have raised the idea of a register
containing the names and addresses of everyone who buys a phone in
recent talks with Vodafone and other telephone companies, insiders
say.

The move is targeted at monitoring the owners of Britain's estimated
40m prepaid mobile phones. They can be purchased with cash by
customers who do not wish to give their names, addresses or credit
card details.

The pay-as-you-go phones are popular with criminals and terrorists
because their anonymity shields their activities from the authorities.
But they are also used by thousands of law-abiding citizens who wish
to communicate in private.

The move aims to close a loophole in plans being drawn up by GCHQ, the
government's eavesdropping centre in Cheltenham, to create a huge
database to monitor and store the internet browsing habits, e-mail and
telephone records of everyone in Britain.

The Big Brother database would have limited value to police and MI5
if it did not store details of the ownership of more than half the
mobile phones in the country.

Contingency planning for such a move is already thought to be under
way at Vodafone, where 72% of its 18.5m UK customers use
pay-as-you-go.

The office of Richard Thomas, the information commissioner, said it
anticipated that a compulsory mobile phone register would be unveiled
as part of a law which ministers would announce next year.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article4969312.ece

With regards to the database that would contain details of all mobile
users, including pay-as-you-go, we would expect that this information
would be included in the database proposed in the draft Communications
Data Bill, a spokeswoman said.

Simon Davies, of Privacy International, said he understood that
several mobile phone firms had discussed the proposed database in
talks with government officials.

As The Sunday Times revealed earlier this month, GCHQ has already been
provided with up to £1 billion to work on the pilot stage of the Big
Brother database, which will see thousands of black boxes installed
on communications lines provided by Vodafone and BT as part of a pilot
interception programme.

The proposals have sparked a fierce backlash inside Whitehall. Senior
officials in the Home Office have privately warned that the database
scheme is impractical, disproportionate and potentially unlawful. The
revolt last week forced Jacqui Smith, the home secretary, to delay
announcing plans for the database until next year.


And from http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article4969361.ece:

quote

Phones can be located to within a few yards using 
cell site analysis  which tracks mobile phone 
users as they move from one signalling area to the next.

The system would then link with the automatic 
number plate recognition (ANPR) system of traffic 
cameras, which provides live coverage of 
motor-ways and main roads. It, in turn, is linked 
to the DVLA in Swansea which holds the records of 
all registered vehicles in the country.

By monitoring a single telephone call it would be 
possible to identify exactly where its user was 
and the registration number of the car in which 
he or she was travelling. This car could then be 
found within seconds by the ANPR cameras and tracked along its journey.

Simon Davies, of Privacy International, said: If 
you can do this in real time, with all the 
databases being interoperable, you have absolute perfect surveillance.

quote


Big Bother Is Watching Maru


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Re: Two Weeks To Go


On 20 Oct 2008, at 06:34, Charlie Bell wrote:

 Anyway, I just thought I should say that despite the lack of onlist
 chatter, some of us abroad are watching closely (I watched the first
 two debates in their entirety, and highlights of the third, and the
 roast from the dinner the other night - how come the McCain that was
 delivering such good lines in the roast doesn't seem to be the same
 one that's running for President??).

The Presidency is now a poisoned chalice.


The fix Maru


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of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still  
primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. - Albert  
Einstein

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Re: No more feeding the troll (was Re: Debunking B.S. from the so-called debunker )


On 20 Oct 2008, at 13:56, Lance A. Brown wrote:

 William T Goodall said the following on 10/20/2008 6:59 AM:
 Do you think it is reasonable that someone should participate in a
 discussion they are also moderating?

 Absolutely.


Why?

Rationale Maru

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Re: No more feeding the troll (was Re: Debunking B.S. from the so-called debunker )

William T Goodall said the following on 10/20/2008 9:03 AM:
 On 20 Oct 2008, at 13:56, Lance A. Brown wrote:
 
 William T Goodall said the following on 10/20/2008 6:59 AM:
 Do you think it is reasonable that someone should participate in a
 discussion they are also moderating?

 Absolutely.

 
 Why?

As Mr. Bell said:  This is a private list on a private server.  It is as
if we were all invited to a never-ending coffee at Dr. Brin's house.
Dr. Brin drops in occasionally and his appointed host includes himself
in the conversation while also maintaining the decorum of the occasion.

I see nothing wrong with that.

--[Lance]

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Re: No more feeding the troll (was Re: Debunking B.S. from the so-called debunker )

At 08:03 AM Monday 10/20/2008, William T Goodall wrote:

On 20 Oct 2008, at 13:56, Lance A. Brown wrote:

  William T Goodall said the following on 10/20/2008 6:59 AM:
  Do you think it is reasonable that someone should participate in a
  discussion they are also moderating?
 
  Absolutely.
 

Why?


Why not?


The Universal Answer To That Question Maru


. . . ronn!  :)



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Re: No more feeding the troll (was Re: Debunking B.S. from the so-called de-bunker )

Is a de-bunker what a mother with enough small children that they 
must share a room uses to get them up in the morning?



Just Wondering Maru


. . . ronn!  :)



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Re: No more feeding the troll (was Re: Debunking B.S. from the so-called debunker )


On 20 Oct 2008, at 14:08, Lance A. Brown wrote:

 As Mr. Bell said:  This is a private list on a private server.  It  
 is as
 if we were all invited to a never-ending coffee at Dr. Brin's house.
 Dr. Brin drops in occasionally and his appointed host includes himself
 in the conversation while also maintaining the decorum of the  
 occasion.

That's a creepy image!



 I see nothing wrong with that.



Twilight Zone Maru


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of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still  
primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. - Albert  
Einstein

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Re: No more feeding the troll (was Re: Debunking B.S. from the so-called de-bunker )



On Mon, 20 Oct 2008, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:

 Is a de-bunker what a mother with enough small children that they
 must share a room uses to get them up in the morning?

Deliberately bad singing works sometimes.

Julia

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Re: monotonous posting

Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 I also like the one that goes One has two ears and one mouth, and  
 should use them in that proportion.

Don't forget the ten typing fingers.

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Re: No more feeding the troll (was Re: Debunking B.S. from the so-called debunker )


On 20 Oct 2008, at 05:35, Charlie Bell wrote:


 On 20/10/2008, at 1:12 PM, William T Goodall wrote:


 On 20 Oct 2008, at 03:07, Nick Arnett wrote:


 I'll stop feeding him now and perhaps ponder just how much
 disruption the
 list managers should tolerate.  A lot, of course, but  sheesh...

 I really don't think you are fit to be list manager. You should do  
 the
 decent thing and quit.

 Are you the kind of guy who goes to the zoo and pokes his fingers
 through the cage despite the signs saying Caution: Animals May Bite
 and then will blame someone else when they do?

No.



 'cause at the moment, you know you're irritating Nick (apparently for
 no other reason than it amuses you), and are continuing to do so
 despite Nick expressing his irritation. It's as if you're daring him
 to ban you, and if he does, you'll blame him for intolerance or
 overstepping his authority or some such.

 Are you THAT bored?

Do you think it is reasonable that someone should participate in a  
discussion they are also moderating?

Abuse Maru
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Politically Incorrect Guide to Politics


Politically Incorrect Guide to Politics, hosted by John Stossel:

Part 1 of 6:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phs6CwnutoY

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Re: TV Zeitgeist

2008-10-20 Thread Mauro Diotallevi

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 8:45 PM, William T Goodall
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 _My Own Worst Enemy_ seems to have a very similar concept to the
 forthcoming _Dollhouse_, mixed with a little bit of _Chuck_.

And a dash of Battlestar Galactica.

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Re: No more feeding the troll

2008-10-20 Thread Alberto Monteiro


Richard Baker wrote:
 
 But this is a private forum, on a private server. It's entirely
 reasonable for the host to both partake in the conversation and to
 express displeasure at behaviour deemed disruptive.
 
 And, of course, anyone who's unhappy with the situation can fairly  
 easily set up a third Brin-L.

Fourth.

The _real_ Brin-L now is His blog, where He chats with His
blog-buddies; we are the k'chu-non list, abandoned by Our Patron.

Alberto Monteiro

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Re: TV Zeitgeist


On 20 Oct 2008, at 15:59, Mauro Diotallevi wrote:

 On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 8:45 PM, William T Goodall
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 _My Own Worst Enemy_ seems to have a very similar concept to the
 forthcoming _Dollhouse_, mixed with a little bit of _Chuck_.

 And a dash of Battlestar Galactica.

That's a bit tenuous. The final five?

All connected Maru

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Re: Two Weeks To Go

2008-10-20 Thread Olin Elliott

how come the McCain that was
delivering such good lines in the roast doesn't seem to be the same
one that's running for President??).

Charlie.

Probably the same reason the funny, intelligent, passionate Al Gore who
promotes An Inconvenient Truth isn't the same as the carboard robot who ran
for President (and still almost beat Bush). If that guy had been on the ticket
we wouldn't be in this mess now.

As much as I disagree with McCain on just about everything, I really do believe
that he's better than the people who are running his campaign. But of course,
since he made the choice to let those people -- the same people who savaged him
in 2000 when he was running against Bush -- control his campaign, the
responsibility is his. He made a deal with the devil's of the right, who he
had previously opposed. I think that'st the root of a lot of the ambiguity in
his campaign though.

Olin

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To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussionmailto:brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: Two Weeks To Go

On 20/10/2008, at 4:24 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote:

But how amazing would it be if Obama does win? I'd have told you a
year ago that there was no way in hell that an African American could
compete for the presidency, let alone be the favorite with a few weeks
to go. The unfortunate thing is that the country is so f**ked up now
that it really will take a superman to have any appreciable success in
one term. The good thing is that I think we get a lot of respect back
from the other nations of the world just by electing him.

And more so if it's an umambiguous landslide. Yes, you're absolutely
right.

Anyway, I just thought I should say that despite the lack of onlist
chatter, some of us abroad are watching closely (I watched the first
two debates in their entirety, and highlights of the third, and the
roast from the dinner the other night - how come the McCain that was
delivering such good lines in the roast doesn't seem to be the same
one that's running for President??).

Charlie.
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Re: monotonous posting



On Mon, 20 Oct 2008, John Williams wrote:

 Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 I also like the one that goes One has two ears and one mouth, and
 should use them in that proportion.

 Don't forget the ten typing fingers.

Vs. 2 eyes for reading.  Hm

Julia

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Re: Politically Incorrect Guide to Politics

John Williams wrote:
 Politically Incorrect Guide to Politics, hosted by John Stossel:
 Part 1 of 6:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phs6CwnutoY

If you don't have time to watch all 6 parts, I think part 4 is the best:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pu6cT6ICQQ

and part 5 is also illuminating:


  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTI9r4pUYh4

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Re: Two Weeks To Go

2008-10-20 Thread Jim Sharkey

Olin wrote:

As much as I disagree with McCain on just about everything, I really do 
believe that he's better than the people who are running his campaign.  But 
of course, since he made the choice to let those people -- the same people who 
savaged him in 2000 when he was running against Bush -- control his campaign, 
the responsibility is his.  He made a deal with the devil's of the right, who 
he had previously opposed.   I think that'st the root of a lot of the 
ambiguity in his campaign though.

That fact is amazing to me.  The very same people who whispered eight years ago 
that 5.5 years as a prisoner of war made McCain unstable and untrustworthy 
spent months using that same heroic survival tale as a clarion call to dismiss 
legitimate questions about the man.  I'd ask how those people sleep at night, 
but since I know that answer is probably On a large pile of money, with many 
beautiful ladies I guess I know how after all.

Jim
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Gen. Colin Powell, Pres. Obama's Secretary of Defense

I had this thought before lunch and thought I'd share it with the list.
  I googled it and found that I'm not the first to think of it so I
can't claim it as my own.

I'd been thinking about Powell's endorsement of Obama this weekend and
how much impressed with him I've always been, even after his failure to
live up to his own values by stumping the Iraq war to the U.N. for
President G.W. Bush.  His endorsement of Barack Obama this past weekend
may be the most powerful 7 minutes of television I’ve watched in the
past 10 years and his indictment of the current Republican party, the
Bush administration, and Sen. John McCain’s campaign and
Vice-Presidential choices is exactly on target.

I think Barack Obama shoud make Colin Powell his Secretary of Defense.
Who better to place over the abused and war-worn military of the United
States.  Who better to shepherd it back into the fine tradition of the
American military and restore its honor and morale.  Powell would defend
his men and women against ill-use and champion their cause with
President Obama and the Congress.  And what a blow it would lay to the
charges that Obama doesn’t know how to cross the aisle for bi-partisan
action.

Choosing Colin Powell for his Secretary of State would be a courageous,
right, action by President Obama.

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Re: Gen. Colin Powell, Pres. Obama's Secretary of Defense

2008-10-20 Thread Euan Ritchie


 I think Barack Obama shoud make Colin Powell his Secretary of Defense.


What, and actively destroy Damask's personal support by supplying jobs
to an accomplice to mass murder?

Powell knowingly lied on a stage (the U.N) built expressly for the
purpose of preventing wars to actively promote the prosecution of a war
illegal by his own countries laws and knowingly support the murder of
many thousands.

He is scum and a willing participant in vile crimes. A government that
embraced him wouldn't be a change from the offensive fools currently in
the U.S executive.

One elegant speech does not magically change a person or their
responsibly for their past.
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Euan Ritchie wrote:


 I think Barack Obama shoud make Colin Powell his Secretary of Defense.


 What, and actively destroy Damask's personal support by supplying jobs
 to an accomplice to mass murder?

 Powell knowingly lied on a stage (the U.N) built expressly for the
 purpose of preventing wars to actively promote the prosecution of a war
 illegal by his own countries laws and knowingly support the murder of
 many thousands.

I think that Powell actually was fed incomplete or untrue information 
which he then delivered.  It's those who lied to him who are most at 
fault.

It's like the people running around accusing Obama of being a Muslim -- 
it's inaccurate, but they may have been lied to by people who want to turn 
opinion against Obama, and not be intending to lie.

Julia

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Re: Gen. Colin Powell, Pres. Obama's Secretary of Defense

Euan Ritchie said the following on 10/20/2008 3:38 PM:
 I think Barack Obama shoud make Colin Powell his Secretary of Defense.
 One elegant speech does not magically change a person or their
 responsibly for their past.

Plus a long and distinguished career in the military, Chief of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff, and as the National Security Advisor.  I even liked
Powell as Secretary of State until he was either duped into supporting
the Iraq war or choose to support it.  That was a mistake.  A huge
massive mistake.  I'd be willing to bet 5 bucks that he regrets it deeply.

Can honor not be redeemed after a mistake, even one as large as his?

Thoughtfully Yours,
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Re: Gen. Colin Powell, Pres. Obama's Secretary of Defense

2008-10-20 Thread Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro

Julia Thompson wrote:

 It's like the people running around accusing Obama of being a Muslim --
 it's inaccurate, but they may have been lied to by people who want to turn
 opinion against Obama, and not be intending to lie.

That would be the perfect conspiracy theory, following the 
Bush-is-a-Manchurian-candidate conspiracy. If Bush is at sold
of some foreign sheiks, what would be best for them then to
blunder everything in the final weeks, weaken the Republican
candidate to death, and place a Muslim at the POTUS? :-)

Alberto Monteiro
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Re: No more feeding the troll (was Re: Debunking B.S. from the so-called de-bunker )

At 08:35 AM Monday 10/20/2008, Julia Thompson wrote:


On Mon, 20 Oct 2008, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:

  Is a de-bunker what a mother with enough small children that they
  must share a room uses to get them up in the morning?

Deliberately bad singing works sometimes.

 Julia


It can encourage the cat to move to another room, too . . .


. . . ronn!  :)



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Monotonous posting

 It's been very quiet here since the thought police manifesto.
 Obvious Maru

 what manifesto?
 oblivious maru...

 I don't think we've ever moderated anybody for frequent off-topic
 posting, but I'm growing increasingly concerned that many of your
 postings are a distraction and offensive to some who might otherwise
 participate.  Others,including me, are just plain bored with it, since
 you haven't written anything new on the topic for a long, long time.


 I'm growing increasingly concerned that you are trying to use your
 position on the list to intimidate and silence those with whom you do
 not agree and that this behaviour could be offensive to some who might
 otherwise participate.



I don't agree that Nick is threating of censorship, or that it would  
discourage posting if he did.  What will cause people to leave this list is 
trolls who have nothing better to do than exhibit their asperger's syndrome...
jon




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Re: Monotonous posting

2008-10-20 Thread Olin Elliott

What will cause people to leave this list is trolls who have nothing better to
do than exhibit their asperger's syndrome...
jon

Just for the record, I have Asperger's, and I don't act like a Troll (usually).
Bad choice of aspersions there.

Olin

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From: Jon Louis Mannmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussionmailto:brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: 10/20/2008 3:28 PM
Subject: Monotonous posting

It's been very quiet here since the thought police manifesto.
Obvious Maru

what manifesto?
oblivious maru...

I don't think we've ever moderated anybody for frequent off-topic
posting, but I'm growing increasingly concerned that many of your
postings are a distraction and offensive to some who might otherwise
participate. Others,including me, are just plain bored with it, since
you haven't written anything new on the topic for a long, long time.

I'm growing increasingly concerned that you are trying to use your
position on the list to intimidate and silence those with whom you do
not agree and that this behaviour could be offensive to some who might
otherwise participate.

I don't agree that Nick is threating of censorship, or that it would
discourage posting if he did. What will cause people to leave this list is
trolls who have nothing better to do than exhibit their asperger's syndrome...
jon

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RE: Monotonous posting

2008-10-20 Thread Pat Mathews

Ditto. Grrr... is a Billy Goat Gruff walking on MY bridge?

http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:43:02 -0700

What will cause people to leave this list is trolls who have nothing better
to do than exhibit their asperger's syndrome...
jon

Just for the record, I have Asperger's, and I don't act like a Troll
(usually). Bad choice of aspersions there.

Olin

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From: Jon Louis Mannmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Monotonous posting

It's been very quiet here since the thought police manifesto.
Obvious Maru

what manifesto?
oblivious maru...

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Monotonous posting

  What will cause people to leave this list is
 trolls who have nothing better to do than exhibit their
 asperger's syndrome...
  jon

  Just for the record, I have Asperger's, and I
 don't act like a Troll (usually).  Bad choice of
 aspersions there.
  Olin

sorry olin, i was generalizing because of my ex-wife...
jon

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Re: Two Weeks To Go


On 20 Oct 2008, at 18:37, Jim Sharkey wrote:

 Olin wrote:

 As much as I disagree with McCain on just about everything, I  
 really do believe that he's better than the people who are running  
 his campaign.  But of course, since he made the choice to let  
 those people -- the same people who savaged him in 2000 when he was  
 running against Bush -- control his campaign, the responsibility  
 is his.  He made a deal with the devil's of the right, who he had  
 previously opposed.   I think that'st the root of a lot of the  
 ambiguity in his campaign though.

 That fact is amazing to me.  The very same people who whispered  
 eight years ago that 5.5 years as a prisoner of war made McCain  
 unstable and untrustworthy spent months using that same heroic  
 survival tale as a clarion call to dismiss legitimate questions  
 about the man.  I'd ask how those people sleep at night, but since I  
 know that answer is probably On a large pile of money, with many  
 beautiful ladies I guess I know how after all.

Choosing Palin for VP is amazing too. And McCain looks 3/4 dead.  
Obviously they planned to lose but the shit hit the fan too soon to  
blame it on Obama :-)

Conspiracy Theories Maru

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Re: Two Weeks To Go


On 20 Oct 2008, at 13:21, Euan Ritchie wrote:


 The Presidency is now a poisoned chalice.

 If Obama wins, as seems likely, an unambiguous majority and gets a
 decent mandate I'm curious what he'll do with it.

 The poor guy is being hailed as if a messiah and no doubt is going to
 disappoint some by not being able to magic wealth enough to balance
 budgets and world friendship for the U.S out of thin air.


Inflation and unemployment will rise, real incomes will fall, the mess  
in Iraq and Afghanistan will get messier. The opposition will claim  
they could have done better.

Politics as usual Maru


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Re: Two Weeks To Go

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 On 20 Oct 2008, at 18:37, Jim Sharkey wrote:

  That fact is amazing to me.  

 Choosing Palin for VP is amazing too. 

All politics is amazing to me. Or perhaps depressing is a better word. In my 
dreams, I'd vote for a politician with a promise like this in a heartbeat:

I promise to spend your money and act like I am doing all sorts of things for 
your own good, but I will spend LESS of your money than the other guy.

The only honest campaigns are negative ones (but obviously not the converse).

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Re: Monotonous posting


On 21 Oct 2008, at 00:04, Jon Louis Mann wrote:

 What will cause people to leave this list is
 trolls who have nothing better to do than exhibit their
 asperger's syndrome...
 jon

 Just for the record, I have Asperger's, and I
 don't act like a Troll (usually).  Bad choice of
 aspersions there.
 Olin

 sorry olin, i was generalizing because of my ex-wife...

Your ex-wife was a troll?

Did she have tusks Maru?


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Re: TV Zeitgeist


On 20 Oct 2008, at 15:59, Mauro Diotallevi wrote:

 On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 8:45 PM, William T Goodall
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 _My Own Worst Enemy_ seems to have a very similar concept to the
 forthcoming _Dollhouse_, mixed with a little bit of _Chuck_.

 And a dash of Battlestar Galactica.

Manchurian candidate?

What are they thinking Maru

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Re: No more feeding the troll (was Re: Debunking B.S. from the so-called de-bunker )



On Mon, 20 Oct 2008, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:

 At 08:35 AM Monday 10/20/2008, Julia Thompson wrote:


 On Mon, 20 Oct 2008, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:

 Is a de-bunker what a mother with enough small children that they
 must share a room uses to get them up in the morning?

 Deliberately bad singing works sometimes.

 Julia


 It can encourage the cat to move to another room, too . . .

What cat?

Julia

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Re: Monotonous posting



On Mon, 20 Oct 2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote:

 What will cause people to leave this list is
 trolls who have nothing better to do than exhibit their
 asperger's syndrome...
 jon

 Just for the record, I have Asperger's, and I
 don't act like a Troll (usually).  Bad choice of
 aspersions there.
 Olin

 sorry olin, i was generalizing because of my ex-wife...
 jon

While someone with AS might be less inclined to generalize

(At least an autistic kid would probably have less of a tendency to 
generalize than a non-autistic kid.)

Julia

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Asperger's syndrome


 While someone with AS might be less inclined to
 generalize
 (At least an autistic kid would probably have less of a
 tendency to 
 generalize than a non-autistic kid.)
   Julia

People with with Asperger's syndrome may:

Not pick up on social cues and lack inborn social skills, such as being able to 
read others' body language, start or maintain a conversation, and take turns 
talking.
Dislike any changes in routines.
Appear to lack empathy.
Be unable to recognize subtle differences in speech tone, pitch, and accent 
that alter the meaning of others’ speech. Thus, your child may not understand a 
joke or may take a sarcastic comment literally. Likewise, his or her speech may 
be flat and difficult to understand because it lacks tone, pitch, and accent.
Have a formal style of speaking that is advanced for his or her age. For 
example, the child may use the term “beckon” instead of “call,” or “return” 
instead of “come back.”
Avoid eye contact.
Have unusual facial expressions or postures.
Be preoccupied with only one or few interests, which he or she may be very 
knowledgeable about. Many children with Asperger's syndrome are overly 
interested in parts of a whole or in unusual activities, such as doing 
intricate jigsaw puzzles, designing houses, drawing highly detailed scenes, or 
astronomy.2
Talk a lot, usually about a favorite subject. One-sided conversations are 
common. Internal thoughts are often verbalized.
Have delayed motor development. Your child may be late in learning to use a 
fork or spoon, ride a bike, or catch a ball. He or she may have an awkward 
walk. Handwriting is often poor.
Have heightened sensitivity and become overstimulated by loud noises, lights, 
or strong tastes or textures.

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Asperger's