Re: Health Care costs (was: the same topic all week)

2008-10-31 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 06:39 PM Thursday 10/30/2008, John Williams wrote: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Some rules, of course, if the aim is universal health care. That doesn't make the government the provider or administrator of the service. If all the money has to go through the government, it is inevitable

Government interference further screws up housing market

2008-10-31 Thread John Williams
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/31/business/31bailout.html?_r=1oref=slogin Quotes about some of the pervese incentives the government has created: Why am I being punished for having bought a house I could afford? I am beginning to think I would have rocks in my head if I keep paying my

Don't Just Do Something. Stand There.

2008-10-31 Thread John Williams
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122541582835686689.html Don't Just Do Something. Stand There. by Russell Roberts . A recession is coming (or has already arrived) no matter what happens in Washington. The question is whether the attempt to forestall it is going to make it worse and turn it

Where's My Bailout?

2008-10-31 Thread John Williams
Where's My Bailout? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9nk8XwHbS4 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Health Care (the same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

2008-10-31 Thread Lance A. Brown
John Williams wrote: It is obvious that no system is perfect. No matter whether it is a centrally controlled system, or a completely decentralized system, there will be decisions made by people, and people do make mistakes. I'd rather have a fault-tolerant system that tends to evolve toward

Re: Health Care (the same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

2008-10-31 Thread John Williams
Lance A. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Williams wrote: there will be decisions made by people, and people do make mistakes. You are assuming everyone is a rational actor. By no means is everyone a rational actor. People make mistakes, act emotionally instead of rationally, and generally

Franklin Delano Bush

2008-10-31 Thread John Williams
Dear Editor: Your equating George W. Bush with FDR is spot-on (Franklin Delano Bush, October 20). Both presidents recklessly increased government's role in the economy - a move that proved (in FDR's case) and will prove (in Bush's case) to do nothing but saturate the economy with such

Re: Health Care (the same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

2008-10-31 Thread Lance A. Brown
John Williams wrote: Lance A. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Williams wrote: there will be decisions made by people, and people do make mistakes. You are assuming everyone is a rational actor. By no means is everyone a rational actor. People make mistakes, act emotionally instead of

Re: Health Care (the same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

2008-10-31 Thread John Williams
Lance A. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] What's different between the ability of government actors to make large mistakes vs. the ability of private actors to make large mistakes? Government legally requires actors to behave in certain ways. Private actors must use more subtle means. John, you

Re: Health Care (the same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

2008-10-31 Thread John Williams
Lance A. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Scale-wise, it seems to me that there are several sets of private actors that can generate errors as large or larger than the government can or has. What private actor can control $1 trillion dollars in bailouts? Even on a local level, look at the vast amounts

Re: Health Care (the same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

2008-10-31 Thread John Williams
Lance A. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Scale-wise, it seems to me that there are several sets of private actors that can generate errors as large or larger than the government can or has. Another example is Congress. It looks likely that the Federal government will spend more than $4 trillion this

Re: Health Care (the same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

2008-10-31 Thread Lance A. Brown
John Williams wrote: Lance A. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] What's different between the ability of government actors to make large mistakes vs. the ability of private actors to make large mistakes? Government legally requires actors to behave in certain ways. Private actors must use more

Re: Health Care (the same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

2008-10-31 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Oct 31, 2008, at 12:20 PM, Lance A. Brown wrote: I'm done with this conversation since you ducked my question about what should replace government regulation. If you want to have a conversation about what can/should be used instead of government regulation, let's do it. Otherwise I'm

Re: Health Care (the same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

2008-10-31 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Oct 31, 2008, at 12:37 PM, Bruce Bostwick wrote: On Oct 31, 2008, at 12:20 PM, Lance A. Brown wrote: I'm done with this conversation since you ducked my question about what should replace government regulation. If you want to have a conversation about what can/should be used instead of

Re: Health Care (the same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

2008-10-31 Thread John Williams
Bruce Bostwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] tired of the repetition of one answer to every problem, because some things are just not nails. Government regulations are definitely not nails. Ticking time bombs would be a better metaphor. ___

Re: Health Care (the same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

2008-10-31 Thread John Williams
Lance A. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm done with this conversation since you ducked my question about what should replace government regulation. I'll answer that if you answer my question: How can I predict what the stock market will do over the next year?

Re: Health Care (the same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

2008-10-31 Thread John Williams
Bruce Bostwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] I dropped out of most of these when one conversation reached the point of suggesting that government regulation, and not the 1920's equivalent of particularly clueless day traders, caused the Great Depression. I don't blame you. It can be devastating

Re: Health Care (the same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

2008-10-31 Thread Nick Arnett
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:13 AM, John Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Another example is Congress. It looks likely that the Federal government will spend more than $4 trillion this year. That comes to about $7,500,000,000.00 per congressperson in one year. And very likely about the same

Re: Health Care (the same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

2008-10-31 Thread John Williams
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] You could just as easily say that the CEO of General Motors spends $172 billion all by himself. That is ridiculous. GM's average annual profit over 1998 to 2004 (about a Senate term) was $3.2 billion (they lost money the past 4 years). There are 14 people on

Re: Health Care (the same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

2008-10-31 Thread Nick Arnett
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:26 AM, John Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] You could just as easily say that the CEO of General Motors spends $172 billion all by himself. That is ridiculous. GM's average annual profit over 1998 to 2004 (about a Senate term)

Re: Health Care (the same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

2008-10-31 Thread John Williams
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] You want to compare one organization's profits to another organization's revenue!!! The Federal budget is not equivalent to corporate revenue. The corporation is only free to spend the profits, unless they want to go bankrupt quickly. And the corporations are

Re: Franklin Delano Bush

2008-10-31 Thread Olin Elliott
Your equating George W. Bush with FDR is spot-on (Franklin Delano Bush, October 20). Both presidents recklessly increased government's role in the economy This seems to me a pretty silly and a-historical comparison. The problems in the economy at the moment are not the fault of recklessly

Re: Health Care (the same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

2008-10-31 Thread Nick Arnett
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:53 AM, John Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: The Federal budget is not equivalent to corporate revenue. The corporation is only free to spend the profits, unless they want to go bankrupt quickly. Companies aren't allowed to spend their revenue??? What do they have

Re: Health Care (the same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

2008-10-31 Thread John Williams
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Companies aren't allowed to spend their revenue??? What do they have to do with it, put it under the mattress? They must use most of it to fund continuing operations which are necessary for next year's profit. The only continuing operations of the government

Re: Health Care (the same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

2008-10-31 Thread John Williams
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:53 AM, John Williamswrote: Now you only need to name 521 more people with that kind of spending power to match Congress. If you can do that, then we can talk about hundreds of state legislators and county supervisors. At this

Re: Franklin Delano Bush

2008-10-31 Thread John Williams
Olin Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don Bodreaux wrote: Your equating George W. Bush with FDR is spot-on (Franklin Delano Bush, October 20). Both presidents recklessly increased government's role in the economy By the way, I forgot to include a link to the editorial Don was responding to

Obama and the 'Drug Killer'

2008-10-31 Thread John Williams
http://www.forbes.com/opinions/2008/10/30/obama-drug-medicine-oped-cx_ch_1031hooper.html Obama And The 'Drug Killer' Charles Hooper 10.31.08, 12:00 AM ET One of the unpleasant things I do as a consultant is recommend that pharmaceutical firms halt the production of uneconomical new medicines.

Democracy (was Health Care / The same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

2008-10-31 Thread Wayne Eddy
- Original Message - From: John Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:06 AM Subject: Re: Health Care (the same damn topic all f-ing week!~) Bruce Bostwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] I dropped out of

Re: Democracy (was Health Care / The same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

2008-10-31 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Oct 31, 2008, at 3:50 PM, Wayne Eddy wrote: Has anyone got any suggestions for a better political system? Replace our election system with a lottery, and just draft our leaders? Not sure that wouldn't be better, given the notably dodgy integrity of our current (pre- and post-HAVA)

Re: Democracy (was Health Care / The same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

2008-10-31 Thread John Williams
Wayne Eddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Has anyone got any suggestions for a better political system? Smaller and cheaper. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Democracy (was Health Care / The same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

2008-10-31 Thread Wayne Eddy
- Original Message - From: John Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 7:07 AM Subject: Re: Democracy (was Health Care / The same damn topic all f-ing week!~) Wayne Eddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Has

Democracy

2008-10-31 Thread Jon Louis Mann
Has anyone got any suggestions for a better political system? Benevolent fascism?~) Jon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Democracy (was Health Care / The same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

2008-10-31 Thread John Williams
Wayne Eddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] How does the smaller cheaper political system work? Badly, but less so. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Democracy (was Health Care / The same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

2008-10-31 Thread Wayne Eddy
- Original Message - From: John Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:03 AM Subject: Re: Democracy (was Health Care / The same damn topic all f-ing week!~) Wayne Eddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] How does

Re: Democracy (was Health Care / The same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

2008-10-31 Thread John Williams
Wayne Eddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] What about a system made up of a number of member states with various constitutions, with a higher federal level above consisting of a representative from each of the 13 member states. Nice start, but why only 13 member states? :-) The federal level would

Happy Halloween

2008-10-31 Thread Nick Arnett
As the trick-or-treater came by tonight, I found myself tonight remembering going to the Isaly's house on Halloween and getting Klondike bars with pumpkin pie flavored centers... Mmmm. The Isaly's company invented the Klondike bar... and at Christmas, we'd go caroling and they'd give us Klondikes

Re: Health Care (the same topic all week!~)

2008-10-31 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 11:05 AM Friday 10/31/2008, John Williams wrote: Lance A. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Williams wrote: there will be decisions made by people, and people do make mistakes. You are assuming everyone is a rational actor. By no means is everyone a rational actor. People make mistakes,