Re: Politicians sell out again

2009-08-11 Thread Chris Frandsen
On Aug 10, 2009, at 8:40 PM, John Williams wrote: The politician pretends to be acting altruistically while still behaving in a self-serving manner. But the politicians take your money by force and THEN give it to the businesses. John: These two sentences are the problem with people

Good article on public vs private enterprises

2009-08-11 Thread Chris Frandsen
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Re: Politicians sell out again

2009-08-11 Thread John Williams
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Chris Frandsenlear...@mac.com wrote:  Most of the politicians that I have personally met are not 'self-serving , rather they are making a great effort to serve. And they are good at tricking the naive into thinking that they are behaving altruistically... We

Re: Good article on public vs private enterprises

2009-08-11 Thread John Williams
The very first comment to this is quite perceptive: Charlie wrote: So many of our electeds in Washington are owned by the lobbies that funnel money and other benefits to them. I just can’t see that we will be able to fix that problem. If we can’t fix that, we can’t have government for the

Re: Politicians sell out again

2009-08-11 Thread Chris Frandsen
You are joking! On Aug 11, 2009, at 11:22 AM, John Williams wrote: The politicians have better PR! ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com

Re: Politicians sell out again

2009-08-11 Thread Max Battcher
John Williams wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Chris Frandsenlear...@mac.com wrote: Most of the politicians that I have personally met are not 'self-serving , rather they are making a great effort to serve. And they are good at tricking the naive into thinking that they are behaving

Re: Politicians sell out again

2009-08-11 Thread John Williams
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Max Battcherm...@worldmaker.net wrote: What a sad, cynical worldview you live in. There's alway blissful fantasy to live in. Picture the livers in Nancy Kress's _Beggars in Spain_ series...although if our politicians were as honest as her donkeys, I might

Re: Politicians sell out again

2009-08-11 Thread Trent Shipley
Chris Frandsen wrote: On Aug 10, 2009, at 8:40 PM, John Williams wrote: The politician pretends to be acting altruistically while still behaving in a self-serving manner. But the politicians take your money by force and THEN give it to the businesses. John: These two sentences are

Archives: attention list management

2009-08-11 Thread Trent Shipley
Where can I find the list archives? Note also that typing Brin-L in Google returns: http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l Which produces a page No such list brin-l, which is not helpful if we want to recruit new members. ___

Re: Politicians sell out again

2009-08-11 Thread Max Battcher
On 8/11/2009 18:53, Trent Shipley wrote: More fundamental is his objection to the U.S. Government. In effect, he is saying that the U.S. system of government is inherently illegitimate, largely because it is run by politicians. By John William's standards ALL representative democracy is

Re: Politicians sell out again

2009-08-11 Thread Trent Shipley
Max Battcher wrote: On 8/11/2009 18:53, Trent Shipley wrote: More fundamental is his objection to the U.S. Government. In effect, he is saying that the U.S. system of government is inherently illegitimate, largely because it is run by politicians. By John William's standards ALL

Re: Politicians sell out again

2009-08-11 Thread John Williams
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Trent Shipleytship...@deru.com wrote:  The government of a sovereign state takes taxes by force.  Most of us believe that is right and necessary.  J.W. doesn't. Where did I state this view?  By John William's standards ALL representative democracy is