RE: Brin: the new know nothings

2004-11-13 Thread Horn, John
Behalf Of Alberto Monteiro Maybe voting should be made so complex that only smart people could figure out _whom_ they were voting for. That must have been the plan with the butterfly ballot back in 2000 in Florida. Unfortunately, it backfired! - jmh Someone had to say it...

Re: Brin: the new know nothings

2004-11-12 Thread Dave Land
On Nov 10, 2004, at 9:17 AM, William T Goodall wrote: On 10 Nov 2004, at 4:59 pm, Warren Ockrassa wrote: I don't believe it's unfair to provisionally judge that an intensely religious person is more likely to undergo marital strife and suffer from less cognitive ability. The alleged table of

Re: Brin: the new know nothings

2004-11-12 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 10:09:22AM -0800, Dave Land wrote: On Nov 10, 2004, at 9:17 AM, William T Goodall wrote: So the intensely religious are a bunch of wife-beating morons? Now that *is* a surprise :) Causation. Correlation. Learn the difference. Serious. Joke :). Pay attention. --

Re: Brin: the new know nothings

2004-11-10 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Nov 9, 2004, at 8:41 PM, David Brin wrote: Meanwhile, look at the note there about an added correlation with DIVORCE RATE that sheds interesting light on values. There's apparently a pretty strong correlation between intense religiosity in the US and divorce:

Re: Brin: the new know nothings

2004-11-10 Thread William T Goodall
On 10 Nov 2004, at 4:59 pm, Warren Ockrassa wrote: I don't believe it's unfair to provisionally judge that an intensely religious person is more likely to undergo marital strife and suffer from less cognitive ability. The alleged table of state IQ is interesting but unverified, but based on the

Re: Brin: the new know nothings

2004-11-10 Thread Russell Chapman
Warren Ockrassa wrote: Barna's results verified findings of earlier polls: that conservative Protestant Christians, on average, have the highest divorce rate, while mainline Christians have a much lower rate. They found some new information as well: that atheists and agnostics have the lowest

Re: Brin: the new know nothings

2004-11-10 Thread Alberto Monteiro
d.brin wrote: See the following correlation between average IQ in red vs blue states. http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm It's a horrible thing that voting is not restricted only to those whose IQs are above average :-/ Maybe voting should be made so complex that only smart people could

Re: Brin: the new know nothings

2004-11-10 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Nov 10, 2004, at 3:35 PM, Russell Chapman wrote: Warren Ockrassa wrote: Barna's results verified findings of earlier polls: that conservative Protestant Christians, on average, have the highest divorce rate, while mainline Christians have a much lower rate. They found some new information as

Re: Brin: the new know nothings

2004-11-10 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Russell Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 4:35 PM Subject: Re: Brin: the new know nothings Warren Ockrassa wrote: Barna's results verified findings of earlier polls: that conservative

Re: Brin: the new know nothings

2004-11-10 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 6:33 PM Subject: Re: Brin: the new know nothings Are you suggesting that less religious people cohabit with multiple (serial, perhaps

RE: Brin: the new know nothings

2004-11-10 Thread ChadCooper
Are you suggesting that less religious people cohabit with multiple (serial, perhaps) partners before marrying one, thereby getting practice that a more religious -- and presumably chaste -- group might not have? If so, that's an intriguing suggestion and it would be interesting to see some

Re: Brin: the new know nothings

2004-11-10 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Nov 10, 2004, at 5:38 PM, Dan Minette wrote: I went to the CDC for some data. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/pubs/pubd/series/sr23/pre-1/pre-1.htm Dan, could you tell me which PDF you downloaded from that site? I can't seem to find the one that breaks down religions by denomination, at

Re: Brin: the new know nothings

2004-11-10 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 7:13 PM Subject: Re: Brin: the new know nothings On Nov 10, 2004, at 5:38 PM, Dan Minette wrote: I went to the CDC for some data. http

Re: Brin: the new know nothings

2004-11-10 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Nov 10, 2004, at 6:42 PM, Dan Minette wrote: I went to the CDC for some data. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/pubs/pubd/series/sr23/pre-1/pre -1.htm Dan, could you tell me which PDF you downloaded from that site? I can't seem to find the one that breaks down religions by denomination, at

Brin: the new know nothings

2004-11-09 Thread d.brin
See the following correlation between average IQ in red vs blue states. http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm Note while looking at this chart that Iowa, Colorado, Nevada, Ohio, Oregon and Florida were all close. Bearing that in mind, the correlation is simply stunning. It starkly explains

Brin: the new know nothings

2004-11-09 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: d.brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 8:36 PM Subject: Brin: the new know nothings See the following correlation between average IQ in red vs blue states. http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm Note while looking

Re: Brin: the new know nothings

2004-11-09 Thread Damon Agretto
Please tell me this is a silly joke, David. The chart said they couldn't source the numbers. I was able to source SAT scores. I found that Alaska, for example, had more people take the test than California, yet had significantly higher test scores. Not to mention that according to the table

Re: Brin: the new know nothings

2004-11-09 Thread David Brin
--- Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to mention that according to the table more than half the US is below average intelligence (figuring 100 to be the average median in the range of intelligence). Um... the states on the bottom half have lower populations, therefore, naturally,

Re: Brin: the new know nothings

2004-11-09 Thread Erik Reuter
I took some data on proficiency tests of 8th graders in 2003 on the National Assessment of Education Progress test, which this conservative blogger posted http://www.isteve.com/Web_Exclusives_Archive-May2004.htm#38115.6465670139 and he references this site as the source