At 09:15 AM 1/16/03 -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
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From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: Child abuse (was: More on North Korea)
John said:
It seems clear that conception in human can occur
--- Steve Sloan II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Deborah Harrell wrote:
True. Frex, would I advocate killing (lethal
injection,
say) a comatose stroke victim who best medical
judgement
and experience calls essentially terminal? No.
Would I
advise withholding nutrition and drugs, except
At 09:04 PM 1/15/2003 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
irst the overwhelming majority of fetuses are spontaneoulsy aborted soon
after conception. This is by and large a mechanism to spare the mother from
wasting valuable energy on a fetus that has little or no chance of
surviving. So what are we to
From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Child abuse (was: More on North Korea)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:08:52 +
John said:
It seems clear that conception in human can occur both sexually and
asexually. Thus, it would seem that the second soul would logically
arrive
In a message dated 1/16/2003 8:27:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
are we devote resources to saving these
humans despite there poor chance of surviving?
I think that you answered your own question. these abortions happen
because the child cannot survive.
But
Dan Minette wrote:
Snipped what I percieved as a rather overdrawn and melodramatic respons on
Deborah's position
I believe the point Deborah was trying to make is that there is a lot more to
abortion than playing on the sentiment nerve and calling it 'abusing/killing
children'. I feel she made a
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: John D. Giorgis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Verzonden: woensdag 15 januari 2003 5:38
Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Onderwerp: Re: Child abuse (was: More on North Korea)
I'd like to believe that my heart is big enough to care about all of
those children.
Your
In a message dated 1/14/2003 5:37:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Deborah Harrell wrote in respons to JDG rethorics on how
abortion kills
'children'.
An interesting perspective on abortion is found in Steven Pinker's The Blank Slate
(imho a terrific book in general;
In a message dated 1/14/2003 5:37:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Deborah Harrell wrote in respons to JDG rethorics on how
abortion kills
'children'.
An interesting perspective on abortion is found in Steven Pinker's The Blank Slate
(imho a terrific book in general;
Dan Minette wrote:
Indeed, what was surprising to even me was that income is a minimal factor
in the response to abuse. I can refer to Economic Dependence and Battered
Wives Returning to Their Abusers, a 1983 Master's Thesis by Teresa
Summers-Minette. This thesis studied about 200 battered
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From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: Child abuse (was: More on North Korea)
But isn't economic stress a major factor in abuse? And wouldn't the
poor be more susceptible to economic
But isn't economic stress a major factor in abuse? And wouldn't the
poor be more susceptible to economic stress?
Intuitively, one would think so. But, if it is a factor, it is hard to
see. The number 1 controlling factor that I know of is that children that
grow up in abusive homes tend
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From: Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: Child abuse (was: More on North Korea)
But isn't economic stress a major factor in abuse? And wouldn't the
poor be more susceptible to economic
Deborah Harrell wrote in respons to JDG rethorics on how abortion kills
'children'.
snipped: The percieved evil of legal abortion put into perspective
using information on the real evil of the current situation with
respect to actual child abuse of real living breathing feeling
children
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From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 12:04 AM
Subject: Child abuse (was: More on North Korea)
I didn't plan on writing on abortion. But, this post was so stident, I
felt I had to.
Not specks of potential
Debbi wrote:
I have made plain my position that reducing the
incidence of abortion (when not for medical reasons)
is desirable; but it should be primarily by reducing
ignorance (genuine or deliberate), poverty, substance
abuse and cultural schizophrenia (Don't do 'It,' but
be a sexy hottie who
I wrote:
My view on child abusers has also been outlined
previously, and is severe to the point of capital
punishment...
I should, of course, have noted that there is a range
of abuse; the example I mentioned is on the severest
end of punishment, but there are young/inexperienced
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I didn't plan on writing on abortion. But, this
post was so stident, I felt I had to.
:( I didn't plan on writing about it either, but when
an issue I see as dreadfully complex (and no happy
ending) is repeatedly placed in purely Black and White
On 14 Jan 2003 at 16:51, Deborah Harrell wrote:
As I think I mentioned before, I have friends in the
special education field who have had to get counseling
and antidepressants to cope with the abused kids they
see - and report, only to have the children repeatedly
turned back to the abusers.
Deborah Harrell wrote:
True. Frex, would I advocate killing (lethal injection,
say) a comatose stroke victim who best medical judgement
and experience calls essentially terminal? No. Would I
advise withholding nutrition and drugs, except what seemed
needful for comfort? Yes. If on a ventilator,
On 14 Jan 2003 at 22:20, Steve Sloan II wrote:
Deborah Harrell wrote:
True. Frex, would I advocate killing (lethal injection,
say) a comatose stroke victim who best medical judgement
and experience calls essentially terminal? No. Would I
advise withholding nutrition and drugs, except
At 10:04 PM 1/13/2003 -0800 Deborah Harrell wrote:
Beating, sodomizing and starving a
first-grader is not within multiple orders of
magnitude of aborting a 10-week fetus.
I see that this issue is very near and dear to your heart.
However, I don't believe that the presence of one problem
--- John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snippage
Oh I see, the fact that George Bush has
concluded that human life
begins at conception, and happens to believe that
all human life should
enjoy equal protection under the laws, makes him,
quote, unremarkable.
snip
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