Re: Huzzah for chocolate milk

2006-04-14 Thread Matthew and Julie Bos
On 4/13/06 4:53 PM, Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If you run 25 miles a week, you can eat what you want.
 
 If you breastfeed twins, you can eat what you want.  Unless one of them
 reacts badly to something in your diet.

Just keeping up with twins would be exercise enough for me, thank you very
much.  I don't know much about breast feeding other than Julie could never
eat spicy food whilst breast feeding.  Bad things happen.

An American who uses the word whilst,
Matthew Bos
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Re: Huzzah for chocolate milk

2006-04-13 Thread Charlie Bell


On 13/04/2006, at 2:17 AM, Dave Land wrote:



On Apr 12, 2006, at 3:27 PM, Charlie Bell wrote:



On 13/04/2006, at 1:24 AM, Matthew and Julie Bos wrote:


Matthew
If you run 25 miles a week, you can eat what you want.


And if you cycle 60 miles a day for 6 months, you can have trouble  
eating enough...


And if you jump off a cliff, you won't have to eat anything any more.


I question the veracity of your assertion, as I *have* jumped off a  
cliff and I still find I'm regularly hungry.


Admittedly, it was only about 15 metres tall, and there was a bit of  
the Mediterranean at the bottom to land in... :-p


Charlie
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Re: Huzzah for chocolate milk

2006-04-13 Thread Matthew and Julie Bos
On 4/12/06 6:27 PM, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On 13/04/2006, at 1:24 AM, Matthew and Julie Bos wrote:
 
 Matthew
 If you run 25 miles a week, you can eat what you want.
 
 And if you cycle 60 miles a day for 6 months, you can have trouble
 eating enough...
 
 Charlie

Wow.  Its hard for me to schedule a 20 mile session on my favorite mountain
bike trail once a week.  But I am looking forward to summer biking season.
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Re: Huzzah for chocolate milk

2006-04-13 Thread Julia Thompson

Matthew and Julie Bos wrote:

On 4/12/06 4:04 PM, Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I read about this a couple of weeks ago and started to drink more of the
stuff.  Like I need more excuses for chocolate consumption.

Although I do add more protein powder to it for extra kick.  I am training
for a 25K the middle of next month.  And now that I am jobless, I have more
time to train!

Matthew
If you run 25 miles a week, you can eat what you want.


If you breastfeed twins, you can eat what you want.  Unless one of them 
reacts badly to something in your diet.


Julia
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Re: Huzzah for chocolate milk

2006-04-13 Thread Dave Land


On Apr 13, 2006, at 1:53 PM, Julia Thompson wrote:


Matthew and Julie Bos wrote:
On 4/12/06 4:04 PM, Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:
I read about this a couple of weeks ago and started to drink more  
of the

stuff.  Like I need more excuses for chocolate consumption.
Although I do add more protein powder to it for extra kick.  I am  
training
for a 25K the middle of next month.  And now that I am jobless, I  
have more

time to train!
Matthew
If you run 25 miles a week, you can eat what you want.


If you breastfeed twins, you can eat what you want.


I am not in a position to confirm or gainsay your assertion: I have  
only one child.


Dave

And he is well past breast-feeding age Maru

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Re: Huzzah for chocolate milk

2006-04-13 Thread Robert G. Seeberger

On 4/13/2006 7:16:09 PM, Dave Land ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Apr 13, 2006, at 1:53 PM, Julia Thompson wrote:

  Matthew and Julie Bos wrote:
  On 4/12/06 4:04 PM, Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
  I read about this a couple of weeks ago and started to drink more
  of the
  stuff.  Like I need more excuses for chocolate consumption.
  Although I do add more protein powder to it for extra kick.  I am
  training
  for a 25K the middle of next month.  And now that I am jobless, I
  have more
  time to train!
  Matthew
  If you run 25 miles a week, you can eat what you want.
 
  If you breastfeed twins, you can eat what you want.

 I am not in a position to confirm or gainsay your assertion: I have
 only one child.

 Dave

 And he is well past breast-feeding age Maru

They threatened to fire me for trying to breastfeed my 
co-workers...not that there were any takers.

xponent
Fathers Milk Maru
rob 


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Re: Huzzah for chocolate milk

2006-04-13 Thread Charlie Bell


On 14/04/2006, at 3:16 AM, Dave Land wrote:



On Apr 13, 2006, at 1:53 PM, Julia Thompson wrote:


Matthew and Julie Bos wrote:
On 4/12/06 4:04 PM, Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:
I read about this a couple of weeks ago and started to drink more  
of the

stuff.  Like I need more excuses for chocolate consumption.
Although I do add more protein powder to it for extra kick.  I am  
training
for a 25K the middle of next month.  And now that I am jobless, I  
have more

time to train!
Matthew
If you run 25 miles a week, you can eat what you want.


If you breastfeed twins, you can eat what you want.


I am not in a position to confirm or gainsay your assertion: I have  
only one child.


And in case anyone wishes to add plus you're a bloke, that's not  
necessarily a barrier - males have been known to have functioning  
mammary glands, and there's some evidence that continual stimulation  
might activate the mammary glands of males, or at least some males.  
Hormone therapy can also cause male lactation. Weird, but true...


Dave

And he is well past breast-feeding age Maru


So are you, and I... but we still drink milk. (Pulling this thread  
full circle AND back on-topic...)


Charlie
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Huzzah for chocolate milk

2006-04-12 Thread Deborah Harrell
And you thought it was just for the kiddies?

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/524370?sssdmh=dm1.188252src=top10

(Abstract)  Feb. 27, 2006 — Chocolate milk is an
effective postexercise drink that improves recovery,
according to the results of a small, randomized trial
reported in the February issue of the International
Journal of Sport Nutrition and Exercise Metabolism.

Our study indicates that chocolate milk is a strong
alternative to other commercial sports drinks in
helping athletes recover from strenuous,
energy-depleting exercise, coauthor Joel M. Stager,
PhD, from Indiana University in Bloomington, said in a
news release. Chocolate milk contains an optimal
carbohydrate to protein ratio, which is critical for
helping refuel tired muscles after strenuous exercise
and can enable athletes to exercise at a high
intensity during subsequent workouts.

On 3 separate days, 9 male, endurance-trained cyclists
performed an interval workout followed by 4 hours of
recovery, and a subsequent endurance trial to
exhaustion at 70% maximum oxygen consumption (VO2max).
In a single-blind, randomized design, the men drank
equivalent volumes of chocolate milk, fluid
replacement drink (FR), or carbohydrate replacement
drink (CR) immediately after the first exercise bout
and 2 hours of recovery. The chocolate milk and CR had
equivalent carbohydrate content. Primary endpoints
were time to exhaustion, average heart rate, rating of
perceived exertion, and total work for the endurance
exercise.  Time to exhaustion and total work were
significantly greater for chocolate milk and for FR
trials than for CR trials, suggesting that chocolate
milk is an effective recovery aid between 2 exhausting
exercise bouts.

Study limitations include the possibility that the
4-hour recovery period limited the complete digestion
of the complex carbohydrates contained in CR.

The results of this study suggest that chocolate
milk, with its high carbohydrate and protein content,
may be considered an effective alternative to
commercial FR and CR for recovery from exhausting,
glycogen-depleting exercise, the authors write.

The Dairy and Nutrition Council, Inc, supported this
study in part.
Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. 2006;16:78-91

...According to the authors, the amount of stored
glycogen in skeletal muscles influences exercise
performance, and delaying carbohydrate ingestion for 2
hours after a workout can reduce the rate of glycogen
resynthesis by half. Studies noted by the authors have
suggested that 50 to 75 g of carbohydrate be ingested
within 30 to 45 minutes after exercise, with ingestion
of 1.2 to 1.5 g carbohydrate per kilogram of body
weight per hour for the next few hours. Protein
ingestion also has been shown to hasten the rate of
glycogen synthesis. CR and FR, which replenish fluid
and electrolytes lost during exercise but contain less
carbohydrates, are 2 types of postexercise drinks that
have been formulated to address glycogen synthesis and
carbohydrate replacement.

The current trial is a single-blind, randomized,
crossover experimental study using endurance athletes
as their own controls to compare the effect of 3 types
of drinks: chocolate milk, FR, and CR with the
equivalent carbohydrate content of chocolate milk, on
performance as measured by time to exhaustion, average
heart rate, rating of perceived exertion, and total
work performed...

I wonder if screaming at the late news and laughing at
late night comedians qualify as 'strenuous bouts of
excercise'? 
(Well, it was just a thought!)   ;-)

Debbi
Currently Chugging Chai Maru

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Re: Huzzah for chocolate milk

2006-04-12 Thread Matthew and Julie Bos
On 4/12/06 4:04 PM, Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I read about this a couple of weeks ago and started to drink more of the
stuff.  Like I need more excuses for chocolate consumption.

Although I do add more protein powder to it for extra kick.  I am training
for a 25K the middle of next month.  And now that I am jobless, I have more
time to train!

Matthew
If you run 25 miles a week, you can eat what you want.

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Re: Huzzah for chocolate milk

2006-04-12 Thread Charlie Bell


On 13/04/2006, at 1:24 AM, Matthew and Julie Bos wrote:


Matthew
If you run 25 miles a week, you can eat what you want.


And if you cycle 60 miles a day for 6 months, you can have trouble  
eating enough...


Charlie


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Re: Huzzah for chocolate milk

2006-04-12 Thread Dave Land


On Apr 12, 2006, at 3:27 PM, Charlie Bell wrote:



On 13/04/2006, at 1:24 AM, Matthew and Julie Bos wrote:


Matthew
If you run 25 miles a week, you can eat what you want.


And if you cycle 60 miles a day for 6 months, you can have trouble  
eating enough...


And if you jump off a cliff, you won't have to eat anything any more.

Dave
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