Re: On scientology
David Hobby wrote: > >> How is a cult which ruins peoples lives a joke, a "joke" which makes >> its high council VERY rich and a "joke" which is one of the most >> dangerous cults in the world. > > O.K., if it's purely a money making venture, why all > the wacky UFO doctrine? Seriously, with all that money, > L. Ron could have hired a GOOD writer, who would have > come up with something guaranteed to work better than > the Xenu volcano story! I'm going with "joke"... > Did you read the previous messages? It's a joke that got out of control - probably because L.Ron had made so much money with this joke, that he thought it better to live with the money and let the next generations figure that out. Maybe he wrote some criptic message telling that it was a joke, but we will only know some decades after his death. IIRC, someone also mentioned that the Gor masterpiece was also a joke that got out of control. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: On scientology
On 01/09/2006, at 11:50 AM, David Hobby wrote: Thanks, but shouldn't you being doing something else about now? : ) Best wishes to you and Claire! Cheers! I'm sitting with my best man Glyn and a certain Gord Sellar, having a coffee, and just having a last look at mail before heading off to the city. That's it - last post. Thanks to all who sent their wellwishes. Charlie ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: On scientology
Charlie Bell wrote: On 01/09/2006, at 9:52 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 31 Aug 2006 at 18:26, David Hobby wrote: O.K., if it's purely a money making venture, why all the wacky UFO doctrine? Seriously, with all that money, L. Ron could have hired a GOOD writer, who would have come up with something guaranteed to work better than the Xenu volcano story! I'm going with "joke"... I'm going to ask your connection with them. This is bluntly a typical sample of their tactics. Andrew-- You ARE a bit touchy about this subject. If you read carefully, you'll note that I've been consistently making fun of Scientology. Sorry that I've touched a nerve. (Oh, and no connection at all.) I think both of you are correct - it may well have *started* as a joke. But those who took over the running of the CoS in the 70s/80s turned it from a joke into a slick operation to make themselves very wealthy, and turned it into a very dangerous organisation. Charlie Charlie-- Thanks, but shouldn't you being doing something else about now? : ) Best wishes to you and Claire! ---David ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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In a message dated 8/31/2006 6:39:25 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, "toto" is a form of the Latin word "totus", meaning "all". So that's the best I can do. ---David (Buries the attempted joke.) Toto is a Scientologist? In Kansas? Vilyehm (Revives dead joke.) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Charlie Bell wrote: On 01/09/2006, at 5:19 AM, David Hobby wrote: ... Andrew-- No, Scientotology is the belief that "all is science". : ) Isn't that "scientism"? Charlie Well, "toto" is a form of the Latin word "totus", meaning "all". So that's the best I can do. ---David (Buries the attempted joke.) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 01/09/2006, at 9:52 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 31 Aug 2006 at 18:26, David Hobby wrote: O.K., if it's purely a money making venture, why all the wacky UFO doctrine? Seriously, with all that money, L. Ron could have hired a GOOD writer, who would have come up with something guaranteed to work better than the Xenu volcano story! I'm going with "joke"... I'm going to ask your connection with them. This is bluntly a typical sample of their tactics. I think both of you are correct - it may well have *started* as a joke. But those who took over the running of the CoS in the 70s/80s turned it from a joke into a slick operation to make themselves very wealthy, and turned it into a very dangerous organisation. Charlie ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 31 Aug 2006 at 18:26, David Hobby wrote: > O.K., if it's purely a money making venture, why all > the wacky UFO doctrine? Seriously, with all that money, > L. Ron could have hired a GOOD writer, who would have > come up with something guaranteed to work better than > the Xenu volcano story! I'm going with "joke"... I'm going to ask your connection with them. This is bluntly a typical sample of their tactics. AndrewC ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 01/09/2006, at 5:19 AM, David Hobby wrote: Andrew Crystall wrote: Okay, apparently some people on the list don't know about scientology. Scientotology itself is a UFO cult founded by a mentally ill science fiction writer. Andrew-- No, Scientotology is the belief that "all is science". : ) Isn't that "scientism"? Charlie ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Andrew Crystall wrote: On 31 Aug 2006 at 15:19, David Hobby wrote: Andrew Crystall wrote: ... scientology. Scientotology itself is a UFO cult founded by a mentally ... No, Scientotology is the belief that "all is science". : ) ? Er... I think the Church of Scientology would disagree with you. Really? They must have doctrine on a lot of things! How about Scientototology, then? : ) Seriously though, you are putting the worst spin on the facts you can find. How about "Scientology is a joke that got out of hand"? How is a cult which ruins peoples lives a joke, a "joke" which makes its high council VERY rich and a "joke" which is one of the most dangerous cults in the world. Andrew-- O.K., if it's purely a money making venture, why all the wacky UFO doctrine? Seriously, with all that money, L. Ron could have hired a GOOD writer, who would have come up with something guaranteed to work better than the Xenu volcano story! I'm going with "joke"... ---David ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 31 Aug 2006 at 15:19, David Hobby wrote: > Andrew Crystall wrote: > > Okay, apparently some people on the list don't know about > > scientology. Scientotology itself is a UFO cult founded by a mentally > > ill science fiction writer. > > Andrew-- > > No, Scientotology is the belief that "all is science". : ) ? Er... I think the Church of Scientology would disagree with you. > Seriously though, you are putting the worst spin on the > facts you can find. How about "Scientology is a joke that > got out of hand"? How is a cult which ruins peoples lives a joke, a "joke" which makes its high council VERY rich and a "joke" which is one of the most dangerous cults in the world. > > It's arguable that the independent, "Freezone" Scientologists are not > > dangerous. However, the vast majority of Scientologists belong to > > the "Church of Scientology", which most certainly IS. > ... > > Since when does being dangerous preclude being a religion? Who said anything about religion? They're not a religion, they just call themselves a church. AndrewC ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Andrew Crystall wrote: Okay, apparently some people on the list don't know about scientology. Scientotology itself is a UFO cult founded by a mentally ill science fiction writer. Andrew-- No, Scientotology is the belief that "all is science". : ) Seriously though, you are putting the worst spin on the facts you can find. How about "Scientology is a joke that got out of hand"? It's arguable that the independent, "Freezone" Scientologists are not dangerous. However, the vast majority of Scientologists belong to the "Church of Scientology", which most certainly IS. ... Since when does being dangerous preclude being a religion? ---David ROU Albigensian Crusade ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
On scientology
Okay, apparently some people on the list don't know about scientology. Scientotology itself is a UFO cult founded by a mentally ill science fiction writer. It's arguable that the independent, "Freezone" Scientologists are not dangerous. However, the vast majority of Scientologists belong to the "Church of Scientology", which most certainly IS. The best place to start finding information on Scientology is Operation Clambake: http://www.xenu.net/ Here's some of the low-lights, however: The CoS demands regular large sums of cash from members for study courses. It often seperates people from their families and puts them into seclusion. It is a regular abuser of SLAPPs, intimidates and blackmails judges and witnesses in its frequent court cases and mis-uses copyright laws to "protect" documents which have been freely avaliable on the internet for some time. It requires its members do not follow doctor-ordered psychiatric care. It runs a number of recruiting and brainwashing programs under such covers are drug rehabilitation centers. It stratifies the information avaliable to members, many are genuinely unaware that it is believes in UFOs, for example. It hides its religious roots in certain countries such as Israel and Wales, where an overtly religious nature would put people off joining the cult. And so on. Under the thory of mind which I believe, Scientology also drives people insane, certainly there are a remarkably large number of cases of mental illness among practitioners of scientology. (Even higher that similar numbers under other cults). And yes, I have a history of clashing with them, thanks to a friend whose parents are scientologists. AndrewC ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
