Re: Democracy (was Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!))

2002-10-22 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 18:06 21-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: Out of curiosity, why do you keep on twisting meanings, even when you don't have to? I do not see this as twisting meanings. Apparently I use a different definition of democracy than you do. But then, the definition the majority decides is the

Re: Democracy (was Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!))

2002-10-22 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 21:31 21-10-2002 -0400, John Giorgis wrote: Actually, the majority does not decide in the UNSC. First, decisions require a minimum of 9 out of 15 members. Secondly, many decisions with the support of 14-1 are not taken by the UNSC. Worse yet, several decisions have been made by just one

Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!)

2002-10-21 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 16:53 20-10-2002 -0400, John Giorgis wrote: It may not be perfect, but it is the best we have. It is certainly better than having one country throwing its cherished principles of democracy overboard and then unilaterally decide to drag the Middle East into another war. Which principle of

Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!)

2002-10-21 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 3:16 PM Subject: Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!) At 16:53 20-10-2002 -0400, John Giorgis wrote: It may not be perfect, but it is the best we have. It is certainly better than

Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!)

2002-10-21 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 15:30 21-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: It may not be perfect, but it is the best we have. It is certainly better than having one country throwing its cherished principles of democracy overboard and then unilaterally decide to drag the Middle East into another war. Which

Democracy (was Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!))

2002-10-21 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 15:30 21-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: It may not be perfect, but it is the best we have. It is certainly better than having one country throwing its cherished principles of democracy overboard and then unilaterally decide to drag the Middle East into another war. Which

Re: Democracy (was Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!))

2002-10-21 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 4:52 PM Subject: Democracy (was Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!)) At 15:30 21-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: It may not be perfect, but it is the best we have

Re: Democracy (was Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!))

2002-10-21 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 17:21 21-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: Jeroen Have it on my desk by 08:00 tomorrow van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com Well, I'll go in where wiser folks fear

Re: Democracy (was Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!))

2002-10-21 Thread Dan Minette
Out of curiosity, why do you keep on twisting meanings, even when you don't have to? I do not see this as twisting meanings. Apparently I use a different definition of democracy than you do. But then, the definition the majority decides is the everyday definition that gets taught in schools

Re: Democracy (was Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!))

2002-10-21 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 11:52 PM 10/21/2002 +0200 J. van Baardwijk wrote: That depends on how you define democracy. When you use its literal meaning (the people decide), then the UN is indeed not a democracy. When you use the word in the way it is more commonly used, however (the majority decides), then the UN *is*