Re: Which beliefs are labled real; which are labled figments

2004-09-08 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Sep 6, 2004, at 12:48 PM, Dan Minette wrote: From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Could it be? Is your computer screen red? No. I'll freely admit there is no emperical proof that God exists, just as there is no emperical proof that free will, human rights, your self-awareness exists as

Re: Which beliefs are labled real; which are labled figments

2004-09-07 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 5:26 PM Subject: Re: Which beliefs are labled real; which are labled figments On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 05:10:41PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: Let me

Which beliefs are labled real; which are labled figments

2004-09-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 2:35 PM Subject: Re: KEP part 2 L3 On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 02:28:45PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Erik Reuter

Re: Which beliefs are labled real; which are labled figments

2004-09-06 Thread Erik Reuter
On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 02:48:46PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: And your neat little insistence that no data is necessary or possible about the existence of this figment. Uh-huh, just like no data is necessary or possible concerning your self-awareness. But, talking about that is diverting,

Re: Which beliefs are labled real; which are labled figments

2004-09-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 2:57 PM Subject: Re: Which beliefs are labled real; which are labled figments On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 02:48:46PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: And your

Re: Which beliefs are labled real; which are labled figments

2004-09-06 Thread Erik Reuter
On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 03:15:34PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 2:57 PM Subject: Re: Which beliefs are labled real; which are labled figments

Re: Which beliefs are labled real; which are labled figments

2004-09-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 3:17 PM Subject: Re: Which beliefs are labled real; which are labled figments No. And you are avoiding the question. Brainwashing strikes again. OK, I

Re: Which beliefs are labled real; which are labled figments

2004-09-06 Thread Erik Reuter
On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 03:35:19PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: OK, I don't pretend that God exists any more than you pretend that other things that are not subjected to verification exists. Any more? Most assuredly you do. We both believe they exist, independent of verification. No, I don't.

Re: Which beliefs are labled real; which are labled figments

2004-09-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 3:37 PM Subject: Re: Which beliefs are labled real; which are labled figments On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 03:35:19PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: OK, I

Re: Which beliefs are labled real; which are labled figments

2004-09-06 Thread Erik Reuter
On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 03:48:27PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: OK, trying to go through your posts like a puzzle to obtain information you delight in not providing clearly, it appears you don't believe things exist without empirical proof, but its not irrational to do so. I realize it is

Re: Which beliefs are labled real; which are labled figments

2004-09-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 4:09 PM Subject: Re: Which beliefs are labled real; which are labled figments On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 03:48:27PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: OK, trying

Re: Which beliefs are labled real; which are labled figments

2004-09-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 4:29 PM Subject: Re: Which beliefs are labled real; which are labled figments Dan wrote: Uh-huh, just like no data is necessary or possible

Re: Which beliefs are labled real; which are labled figments

2004-09-06 Thread Erik Reuter
On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 05:10:41PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: Let me give a personal counter example. We took a homeless young women into our house for a year. When we did it; I realized that there was the potential for tremendous risk; we didn't know her _that_ well and it was possible that

Re: Which beliefs are labled real; which are labled figments

2004-09-06 Thread William T Goodall
On 6 Sep 2004, at 11:10 pm, Dan Minette wrote: Let me give a personal counter example. We took a homeless young women into our house for a year. When we did it; I realized that there was the potential for tremendous risk; we didn't know her _that_ well and it was possible that she would try to

Re: Which beliefs are labled real; which are labled figments

2004-09-06 Thread Doug Pensinger
Dan wrote: But, that is totally dependant on mindset; not data. For example, the complexity of nature was long thought to be a compelling argument for a designer. We now realize that there is another explanation that works as well. The complex actions of human beings was long thought to be

Re: Which beliefs are labled real; which are labled figments

2004-09-06 Thread Robert Seeberger
Erik Reuter wrote: On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 05:10:41PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: Look at the atheistic (or a-religeous) philosophies developed in the last 150 years. Most of them have had a rather sorry track record in providing meaning and support for human rights and the self-worth of