Re: US Doomed

2008-01-19 Thread Charlie Bell
On 19/01/2008, at 9:04 AM, Deborah Harrell wrote: Did anyone watch 'Cheney's Law' on PBS recently? It was broadcast on Australia's SBS a couple of weeks ago. I knew this group of chickenhawks was very bad news indeed, but they're even worse than I believed. And I'll have to retract a

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-18 Thread Deborah Harrell
I wrote: Did anyone watch 'Cheney's Law' on PBS recently? Forgot to provide a link: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/cheney/ For three decades Vice President Dick Cheney conducted a secretive, behind-closed-doors campaign to give the president virtually unlimited wartime power.

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-18 Thread Deborah Harrell
Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16/01/2008, at 2:20 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote: John Garcia wrote: Amending the Constitution is not as easy as Huckabee may wish,(pun intended)Gracias a Dios. See http://www.usconstitution.net/constam.html. If elected, he won't be able to just

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-17 Thread Nick Arnett
On Jan 16, 2008 10:25 PM, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Big and rigid isn't the best for passenger safety. Or for getting along with others. Or succeeding in business. Or government. Big and rigid is just bad, bad, bad. Well, I can think of one exception... and that wasn't

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-17 Thread Charlie Bell
On 18/01/2008, at 2:15 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: On Jan 16, 2008 10:25 PM, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Big and rigid isn't the best for passenger safety. Or for getting along with others. Or succeeding in business. Or government. Big and rigid is just bad, bad, bad. Well,

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-17 Thread William T Goodall
On 17 Jan 2008, at 22:02, Charlie Bell wrote: On 18/01/2008, at 2:15 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: On Jan 16, 2008 10:25 PM, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Big and rigid isn't the best for passenger safety. Or for getting along with others. Or succeeding in business. Or

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-16 Thread Charlie Bell
On 16/01/2008, at 10:19 AM, Jim Sharkey wrote: Charlie Bell wrote: Plenty of room Down Under... Sure, nestled in right next to the various and sundry venomous arthropods, the sharks, the jellyfish and various other natural dangers. Like North America doesn't have its fair share of

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-16 Thread Charlie Bell
On 16/01/2008, at 2:20 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote: John Garcia wrote: Amending the Constitution is not as easy as Huckabee may wish, (pun intended) Gracias a Dios. See http://www.usconstitution.net/constam.html . If elected, he won't be able to just wave his hand and have it done. You

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-16 Thread Alberto Monteiro
John Garcia wrote: Devolve for sure. Huckabee is just another (albeit charismatic) politician trying to remake the world they way he wants it to be. Alas, his world is not the world I want to live in. I wouldn't leave the US if he won, but my attitude would be (to quote some friends of

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-16 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Andrew Crystall wrote: In other words, I'd rather live with a rabid atheist than in a theocracy. What makes you think it would be _easy_ to flee? Well, going North? Can't really close the border. Long border and all that. I forgot about the northern border. But the southern border is

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-16 Thread Jim Sharkey
Charlie Bell wrote: It's really quite scary that dominionists and other theocrats are so close to the real power in the States, and that reality-based thinking is under such attack. You know, my wife's family consists almost entirely of fairly devout Catholics. Yet not one of them has ever,

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-16 Thread Julia Thompson
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Andrew Crystall wrote: In other words, I'd rather live with a rabid atheist than in a theocracy. What makes you think it would be _easy_ to flee? Well, going North? Can't really close the border. Long border and all that. I forgot about

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-16 Thread Nick Arnett
On Jan 15, 2008 5:57 PM, Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 15, 2008, at 6:45 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote: Well, going North? Can't really close the border. Long border and all that. I bet 30+ million Canadians, faced with the prospect of being overrun by SUV-driving,

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-16 Thread Nick Arnett
On Jan 15, 2008 7:14 PM, Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick wrote: Um... William, if Huckabee is elected president of my country, would you have room for me and my family in yours? What's the difference between Huckabee and Bush, other than Huckabee is probably smarter and

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-16 Thread Dave Land
On Jan 16, 2008, at 12:52 AM, Charlie Bell wrote: On 16/01/2008, at 2:20 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote: John Garcia wrote: Amending the Constitution is not as easy as Huckabee may wish, (pun intended) Gracias a Dios. See http://www.usconstitution.net/ constam.html . If elected, he won't be

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-16 Thread Dave Land
On Jan 16, 2008, at 12:52 AM, Charlie Bell wrote: It's ever more astonishing to me that there has been no impeachment (let alone a war crimes tribunal...). Then again, these c***s***ers have insinuated themselves at all levels, and they've probably made sure they've got a lot of ammo on

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-16 Thread Dave Land
Folks, Here's a Republican (a Senior at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville) who seems to share the opinion of most who have participated in this thread: http://dailybeacon.utk.edu/printarticle.php?articleid=52614 Huckabee not a true Republican by Tipton Taylor I'm a conservative,

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-16 Thread Charlie Bell
On 17/01/2008, at 2:49 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: SUVs perform poorly in altruistic crash testing, which ranks vehicles on how much damage they inflict. They also fare poorly in almost all other crash testing too, especially in single vehicle accidents. About the only area where they do

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-16 Thread Charlie Bell
On 17/01/2008, at 7:27 AM, Dave Land wrote: On Jan 16, 2008, at 12:52 AM, Charlie Bell wrote: It's ever more astonishing to me that there has been no impeachment (let alone a war crimes tribunal...). Then again, these c***s***ers have insinuated themselves at all levels, and they've

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-16 Thread Charlie Bell
On 17/01/2008, at 7:08 AM, Dave Land wrote: It's ever more astonishing to me that there has been no impeachment (let alone a war crimes tribunal...). Then again, these c***s***ers have insinuated themselves at all levels, and they've probably made sure they've got a lot of ammo on anyone

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-15 Thread William T Goodall
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Huckabee_Amend_Constitution_to_meet_Gods_0115.html Huckabee: Amend Constitution to be in 'God's standards' David Edwards and Muriel Kane The United States Constitution never uses the word God or makes mention of any religion, drawing its sole authority from We the

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-15 Thread Nick Arnett
On Jan 15, 2008 12:23 PM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Huckabee_Amend_Constitution_to_meet_Gods_0115.html Huckabee: Amend Constitution to be in 'God's standards' David Edwards and Muriel Kane The United States Constitution never uses the word God

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-15 Thread John Garcia
Amending the Constitution is not as easy as Huckabee may wish, (pun intended) Gracias a Dios. See http://www.usconstitution.net/constam.html. If elected, he won't be able to just wave his hand and have it done. john On Jan 15, 2008 4:06 PM, Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 15, 2008

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-15 Thread Charlie Bell
On 16/01/2008, at 8:06 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: Um... William, if Huckabee is elected president of my country, would you have room for me and my family in yours? Plenty of room Down Under... Charlie. ___

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-15 Thread Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro
Nick Arnett wrote: Um... William, if Huckabee is elected president of my country, would you have room for me and my family in yours? In other words, I'd rather live with a rabid atheist than in a theocracy. What makes you think it would be _easy_ to flee? Alberto Monteiro

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-15 Thread David Hobby
John Garcia wrote: Amending the Constitution is not as easy as Huckabee may wish, (pun intended) Gracias a Dios. See http://www.usconstitution.net/constam.html. If elected, he won't be able to just wave his hand and have it done. Yes, but it's the thought that counts. And that's scary!

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-15 Thread Jim Sharkey
Charlie Bell wrote: Plenty of room Down Under... Sure, nestled in right next to the various and sundry venomous arthropods, the sharks, the jellyfish and various other natural dangers. Still, I think I'd prefer those over Huckabee. :-) Jim ___

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-15 Thread John Garcia
Yeah, but Americans are always trying to make changes to and end run around the Constitution, because something in it (or not in it) annoys them. Look at things like free speech restrictions on college campuses or the hue and cry every time some defendant's case is dismissed because of a bad

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-15 Thread Nick Arnett
On 1/15/08, John Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... This is a guy who doesn't believe in evolution. He apparently believes it's just fine for the Constitution to evolve a bit. Or would that be devolve? Nick -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Messages: 408-904-7198

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-15 Thread John Garcia
On Jan 15, 2008 7:21 PM, Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/15/08, John Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... This is a guy who doesn't believe in evolution. He apparently believes it's just fine for the Constitution to evolve a bit. Or would that be devolve? Nick Devolve for

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-15 Thread Robert Seeberger
On 1/15/2008 6:58:55 PM, John Garcia ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Jan 15, 2008 7:21 PM, Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/15/08, John Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... This is a guy who doesn't believe in evolution. He apparently believes it's just fine for the

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-15 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 15 Jan 2008 at 22:42, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote: Nick Arnett wrote: Um... William, if Huckabee is elected president of my country, would you have room for me and my family in yours? In other words, I'd rather live with a rabid atheist than in a theocracy. What makes

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-15 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Jan 15, 2008, at 6:45 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote: Well, going North? Can't really close the border. Long border and all that. I bet 30+ million Canadians, faced with the prospect of being overrun by SUV-driving, Starbucks-sucking weekend lib'rul Yanks,* would damned well find a way to

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-15 Thread Doug Pensinger
Nick wrote: Um... William, if Huckabee is elected president of my country, would you have room for me and my family in yours? What's the difference between Huckabee and Bush, other than Huckabee is probably smarter and more articulate than most of his pets? Doug

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-15 Thread Doug Pensinger
John Garcia wrote: Amending the Constitution is not as easy as Huckabee may wish, (pun intended) Gracias a Dios. See http://www.usconstitution.net/constam.html. If elected, he won't be able to just wave his hand and have it done. You know, a few years ago I would have said the same thing

RE: US Doomed

2008-01-05 Thread Pat Mathews
The President of the United States should not have the power to declare what science teachers should teach. That it's even a remote possibility is a sign of federal mission creep - and presidential mission creep on top of it - so severe I'd be sorely tempted to vote for Ron Paul if I weren't a