Re: [BRLTTY] Changing BRLTTY key mapping [repost]
[quoted lines by Dave Mielke on 2018/03/10 at 07:19 -0500] >The list in the manual is quite out-of-date. The full list is in the derived >header "cmds.auto.h" (cd into Programs/ and make it). Perhaps there should be >a >tool that creates a document from it. Building brltty now makes (and installs) a new command - brltty-lscmds - which writes a list of all of the commands to standard output. It's in rst (reStructured Text) format so you can eitehr (easily enough) read it directly or run it through a tool like rst2html. This document will eventually make it onto brltty's web site. -- I believe the Bible to be the very Word of God: http://Mielke.cc/bible/ Dave Mielke | 2213 Fox Crescent | WebHome: http://Mielke.cc/ EMail: d...@mielke.cc | Ottawa, Ontario | Twitter: @Dave_Mielke Phone: 1-613-726-0014 | Canada K2A 1H7 | ___ This message was sent via the BRLTTY mailing list. To post a message, send an e-mail to: BRLTTY@brltty.com For general information, go to: http://brltty.com/mailman/listinfo/brltty
Re: [BRLTTY] Changing BRLTTY key mapping [repost]
[quoted lines by Vincent LE GOFF on 2018/03/10 at 09:27 +0100] >I'll be trying to find th list of commands to which I can remap because I >didn't find the list itself, but I believe it's in the manual. The list in the manual is quite out-of-date. The full list is in the derived header "cmds.auto.h" (cd into Programs/ and make it). Perhaps there should be a tool that creates a document from it. -- I believe the Bible to be the very Word of God: http://Mielke.cc/bible/ Dave Mielke | 2213 Fox Crescent | WebHome: http://Mielke.cc/ EMail: d...@mielke.cc | Ottawa, Ontario | Twitter: @Dave_Mielke Phone: 1-613-726-0014 | Canada K2A 1H7 | ___ This message was sent via the BRLTTY mailing list. To post a message, send an e-mail to: BRLTTY@brltty.com For general information, go to: http://brltty.com/mailman/listinfo/brltty
Re: [BRLTTY] Changing BRLTTY key mapping [repost]
Hi everyone, Thanks for the comment Shérab. I changed my key bindings yesterday and it was so easy I was almost (almost!) disappointed when it worked so well. My new mapping just focuses on rockers, although I may be altering some others (the fact that the Braille keyboard is turned off by default and requires additional keys is a bit strange, but I don't use the Braille keyboard that often anyway). I've remapped as follows, it made more sense to me: top left rocker = LNUP (line up), bottom left rocker = LNDN (line down), top right rocker = FWINLT (previous Braille window), bottom right rocker = FWINRT (next Braille window). In addition, I have changed some key combinations, so going to the top/bottom of the screen, going at the cursor position, or going at the beginning of a line (that's things I often do on a daily basis) are more intuitive to me. I can attach the rockers.kti file if you want, but really, it's so simple to change these keys, just place the altered /input/ht/rockers.kti in /etc/xdg/brltty/rockers.kti and change whatever you want in the latter. Thanks Dave for describing the process. I'll be trying to find th list of commands to which I can remap because I didn't find the list itself, but I believe it's in the manual. Vincent On 3/9/2018 7:07 PM, Shérab wrote: Dear Vincent and all, I started to use an HandyTech ActiveStar 40 one week ago, too. Although I do not use the internal notetaker and have thus no idea about what the reference bindings are, I also considered altering the bindings that come with brltty, because I find some of them a bit counter intuitive or unpractical. I agree that the bindings used to change the currnet window, for instance, could be improved, atleast on my device. The ones you suggest, Vincent, look more natural to me, too. Best wishes and many thanks for having started this thread, Shérab. ___ This message was sent via the BRLTTY mailing list. To post a message, send an e-mail to: BRLTTY@brltty.com For general information, go to: http://brltty.com/mailman/listinfo/brltty ___ This message was sent via the BRLTTY mailing list. To post a message, send an e-mail to: BRLTTY@brltty.com For general information, go to: http://brltty.com/mailman/listinfo/brltty
Re: [BRLTTY] Changing BRLTTY key mapping [repost]
Dear Vincent and all, I started to use an HandyTech ActiveStar 40 one week ago, too. Although I do not use the internal notetaker and have thus no idea about what the reference bindings are, I also considered altering the bindings that come with brltty, because I find some of them a bit counter intuitive or unpractical. I agree that the bindings used to change the currnet window, for instance, could be improved, atleast on my device. The ones you suggest, Vincent, look more natural to me, too. Best wishes and many thanks for having started this thread, Shérab. ___ This message was sent via the BRLTTY mailing list. To post a message, send an e-mail to: BRLTTY@brltty.com For general information, go to: http://brltty.com/mailman/listinfo/brltty
Re: [BRLTTY] Changing BRLTTY key mapping [repost]
[quoted lines by Vincent LE GOFF on 2018/03/09 at 12:58 +0100] >I am using the Actilino (alo) and have been testing the ActiveBraille (ab40). >As it is, it sounds like the default mapping is not correct for either of >these devices. By "correct", I mean that when using them in standalone mode >(as Braille notetakers) or plugged to a screen reader on Windows, simple >mapping (for navigation, for instance) is different. HandyTech support has been in brltty for a very long time. A lot of us lack experience with Windows screen readers, and I doubt the earlier HT models could function as notetakers. In other words, brltty's HT bindings may have been developed without much of an existing template to go by. >However, by altering the problematic files, it would also affect a lot of >other handytech displays for which the mapping might be more accurate, I have >no idea. Neither do I. Mario would be the best person to discuss this with. I'd hesitate to make any changes to the HT bindings without his advice. >For instance, to go to the next Braille window (which is something >one does very often, admittedly), the default key mapping is "Right >Triple Action Key center (TRC)". On other devices, it might be one >key, but on the Actilino and ActiveBraille, that's two keys you have >to press simultaneously. So only moving the Braille window requires >two key presses (fortunately, they are close). They really did used to be triple action keys. On older models you just had to press the center of what was an actual rocker. -- I believe the Bible to be the very Word of God: http://Mielke.cc/bible/ Dave Mielke | 2213 Fox Crescent | WebHome: http://Mielke.cc/ EMail: d...@mielke.cc | Ottawa, Ontario | Twitter: @Dave_Mielke Phone: 1-613-726-0014 | Canada K2A 1H7 | ___ This message was sent via the BRLTTY mailing list. To post a message, send an e-mail to: BRLTTY@brltty.com For general information, go to: http://brltty.com/mailman/listinfo/brltty
Re: [BRLTTY] Changing BRLTTY key mapping [repost]
Thank you Dave. I believe that the ht (HandyTech) driver is pretty much centralized on BRLTTY. Meaning that most displays of this brand will have the same features except for slight modifications. I am using the Actilino (alo) and have been testing the ActiveBraille (ab40). As it is, it sounds like the default mapping is not correct for either of these devices. By "correct", I mean that when using them in standalone mode (as Braille notetakers) or plugged to a screen reader on Windows, simple mapping (for navigation, for instance) is different. However, by altering the problematic files, it would also affect a lot of other handytech displays for which the mapping might be more accurate, I have no idea. For instance, to go to the next Braille window (which is something one does very often, admittedly), the default key mapping is "Right Triple Action Key center (TRC)". On other devices, it might be one key, but on the Actilino and ActiveBraille, that's two keys you have to press simultaneously. So only moving the Braille window requires two key presses (fortunately, they are close). In standalone (which should be the reference, I imagine), only Right Triple Action Key down (TRD) or Left Triple Action Key down (TLD) are necessary (either, not both at the same time). The Adctilino and ActiveBraille have four navigation keys, two on either side of the display. This is quite common for other displays as well. So the Triple Action Key Center requires the press of Triple Action Key Up + Triple Action Key Down. And that's not really great. But I insist: I have no idea how the other devices behave, so I prefer to make my modification just for my BRLTTY installation. Other handytech users might be well-used to the current setup and unwilling to shift, which I completely understand. Thank you again, Vincent On 3/9/2018 12:29 PM, Dave Mielke wrote: [quoted lines by Vincent LE GOFF on 2018/03/09 at 07:44 +0100] So I've got my new Braille display, and would like to update its key bindings so it'd behave a bit closer from what it does in standalone, and how it behaves with other screen readers. Which braille device do you have? Is there something wrong with brltty's bindings for it that you think we should consider fixing? In the README.customize, there's no mention of respecting the directory structure. However, the file I want to edit is in input/ht/rockers.kti . So do I need to create a ht folder in /etc/xdg/brltty and the rockers.kti file in it, or do I just add a /etc/xdg/brltty/rockers.cti file? Put it right in brltty's xdg directory. Don't create a directory structure underneath it. I don't want to create conflicts with other drivers, if possible. Yes, that's a risk. It was done this way in order to make it as easy as possible. As I mentioned, I would like to change rockers.kti . My actual driver file is in ht/alo.ktb. This file imports rockers.kti (actually it imports a file that imports another file). So, if I leave alo.ktb alone and just change rockers.kti, would the include path be updated only for this file or do I need to copy all the included files? Just make a copy of the file you'd like to modify. ___ This message was sent via the BRLTTY mailing list. To post a message, send an e-mail to: BRLTTY@brltty.com For general information, go to: http://brltty.com/mailman/listinfo/brltty
Re: [BRLTTY] Changing BRLTTY key mapping [repost]
[quoted lines by Vincent LE GOFF on 2018/03/09 at 07:44 +0100] >So I've got my new Braille display, and would like to update its key >bindings so it'd behave a bit closer from what it does in standalone, >and how it behaves with other screen readers. Which braille device do you have? Is there something wrong with brltty's bindings for it that you think we should consider fixing? >In the README.customize, there's no mention of respecting the directory >structure. However, the file I want to edit is in input/ht/rockers.kti . So >do I need to create a ht folder in /etc/xdg/brltty and the rockers.kti file in >it, or do I just add a /etc/xdg/brltty/rockers.cti file? Put it right in brltty's xdg directory. Don't create a directory structure underneath it. >I don't want to create conflicts with other drivers, if possible. Yes, that's a risk. It was done this way in order to make it as easy as possible. >As I mentioned, I would like to change rockers.kti . My actual driver file is >in ht/alo.ktb. This file imports rockers.kti (actually it imports a file that >imports another file). So, if I leave alo.ktb alone and just change >rockers.kti, would the include path be updated only for this file or do I need >to copy all the included files? Just make a copy of the file you'd like to modify. -- I believe the Bible to be the very Word of God: http://Mielke.cc/bible/ Dave Mielke | 2213 Fox Crescent | WebHome: http://Mielke.cc/ EMail: d...@mielke.cc | Ottawa, Ontario | Twitter: @Dave_Mielke Phone: 1-613-726-0014 | Canada K2A 1H7 | ___ This message was sent via the BRLTTY mailing list. To post a message, send an e-mail to: BRLTTY@brltty.com For general information, go to: http://brltty.com/mailman/listinfo/brltty
