Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[awakeyet]

wasn't it you though? I thought I was more on their side. unless I'm getting 
names mixed up on who is replying to who.

2. Jan 2017 10:40 by d...@runbox.com:


> I am convinced Narcis is a troll, or just nuts.
>
> --
>
> -Dan Q
>
>
> On Mon, 2 Jan 2017 01:11:24 +0100 (CET), <> awake...@tutanota.de> > wrote:
>
>> are you implying that it's silly to look for problems and then improve by 
>> updating? 
>>
>> I guess  we should just stop looking for vulnerabilities to fix, because if 
>> we ignore them they will all just go away right? Wrong.
>>
>>
>>
>> 30. Dec 2016 15:38 by >> informat...@actiu.net>> :
>>
>>
>> > IceCat 45 must have vulnerabilities too, and then someone will ask for
>> > Icecat 52, etc.
>> >
>> >
>> > El 30/12/16 a les 17:44, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
>> >> Numerous remote code execution vulnerabilities? You're kidding me right?
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> -Dan Q
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 11:06:10 +0100, Narcis Garcia <>> >> 
>> >> informat...@actiu.net>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> People asking for a new IceCat version for Windows, they already have
>> >>> IceCat 38.8.0 ans it seems usable.
>> >>> Any freedom and security enhancement they ask for, it's to GNU/Linux
>> >>> direction.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> El 29/12/16 a les 23:58, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
>>  I think there's been a real problem lately where complaints by users 
>>  are being confused with official project decisions. Like when v45.5 and 
>>  v45.3 were released Linux only, some of us asked if a Windows version 
>>  would be available, and it turned into arguments about whether we 
>>  should expand non-DRM browsers under unfree systems. Instead of 
>>  arguments we need to focus on the project and official policy vs 
>>  mailing list opinions. We should also focus on who the decision makers 
>>  actually are, to my knowledge Ruben has been busy lately but someone 
>>  can easily say "Why should we maintain a Windows or Mac version of 
>>  IceCat?" and be confused for someone who is making decisions for the 
>>  project.
>> 
>>  --
>> 
>>  -Dan Q
>> 
>>  On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 09:03:32 -0800, Gary Driggs < >> 
>>  gdri...@gmail.com>>  > wrote:
>> 
>> > Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Ruben having discontinued Windows support for IceCat was the best and 
>> >> easiest way to force most of the human population into DRM.
>> >
>> > Where did you see any such announcement?
>> >
>> > Maybe we should start an alternate mailing list, > >> 
>> > political-gnuzi...@gnu.org>> > , so the rest of us can discuss 
>> > technical topics in peace.
>> > --
>> > >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  --
>>  >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
>> 
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > --
>> > >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
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>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org--
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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[Daniel Quintiliani]

I am convinced Narcis is a troll, or just nuts.

--

-Dan Q


On Mon, 2 Jan 2017 01:11:24 +0100 (CET),  wrote:

> are you implying that it's silly to look for problems and then improve by 
> updating? 
> 
> I guess  we should just stop looking for vulnerabilities to fix, because if 
> we ignore them they will all just go away right? Wrong.
> 
> 
> 
> 30. Dec 2016 15:38 by informat...@actiu.net:
> 
> 
> > IceCat 45 must have vulnerabilities too, and then someone will ask for
> > Icecat 52, etc.
> >
> >
> > El 30/12/16 a les 17:44, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
> >> Numerous remote code execution vulnerabilities? You're kidding me right?
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> -Dan Q
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 11:06:10 +0100, Narcis Garcia <>> 
> >> informat...@actiu.net>> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> People asking for a new IceCat version for Windows, they already have
> >>> IceCat 38.8.0 ans it seems usable.
> >>> Any freedom and security enhancement they ask for, it's to GNU/Linux
> >>> direction.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> El 29/12/16 a les 23:58, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
>  I think there's been a real problem lately where complaints by users are 
>  being confused with official project decisions. Like when v45.5 and 
>  v45.3 were released Linux only, some of us asked if a Windows version 
>  would be available, and it turned into arguments about whether we should 
>  expand non-DRM browsers under unfree systems. Instead of arguments we 
>  need to focus on the project and official policy vs mailing list 
>  opinions. We should also focus on who the decision makers actually are, 
>  to my knowledge Ruben has been busy lately but someone can easily say 
>  "Why should we maintain a Windows or Mac version of IceCat?" and be 
>  confused for someone who is making decisions for the project.
> 
>  --
> 
>  -Dan Q
> 
>  On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 09:03:32 -0800, Gary Driggs < 
>  gdri...@gmail.com > wrote:
> 
> > Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
> >>
> >> Ruben having discontinued Windows support for IceCat was the best and 
> >> easiest way to force most of the human population into DRM.
> >
> > Where did you see any such announcement?
> >
> > Maybe we should start an alternate mailing list, > 
> > political-gnuzi...@gnu.org> , so the rest of us can discuss 
> > technical topics in peace.
> > --
> > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> 
> 
> 
>  --
>  http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> 
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> --
> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org



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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[Narcis Garcia]

I mean that it's not just v45 a major reason for this matter, because
this reason was the same for v38 and will be the same for v52 and future.
I feel the point is to *feel* security and privacy when using Windows as
it was at the same level as in GNU/Linux operating systems.

Using Icecat number 45 same as the number 45 of GNU/Linux makes people
to feel they have similar level of security and privacy, and because of
this false appearance, I suggest them to use IceCat v38 in the meanwhile
without worrying too much about this small piece in the operating
environment, because the vulnerabilities problem is the operating
environment.


El 02/01/17 a les 01:11, awake...@tutanota.de ha escrit:
> are you implying that it's silly to look for problems and then improve
> by updating?
> 
> I guess  we should just stop looking for vulnerabilities to fix, because
> if we ignore them they will all just go away right? Wrong.
> 
> 
> 
> 30. Dec 2016 15:38 by informat...@actiu.net :
> 
> IceCat 45 must have vulnerabilities too, and then someone will ask for
> Icecat 52, etc.
> 
> 
> El 30/12/16 a les 17:44, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
> 
> Numerous remote code execution vulnerabilities? You're kidding
> me right?
> 
> --
> 
> -Dan Q
> 
> 
> On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 11:06:10 +0100, Narcis Garcia
> > wrote:
> 
> People asking for a new IceCat version for Windows, they
> already have
> IceCat 38.8.0 ans it seems usable.
> Any freedom and security enhancement they ask for, it's to
> GNU/Linux
> direction.
> 
> 
> El 29/12/16 a les 23:58, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
> 
> I think there's been a real problem lately where
> complaints by users are being confused with official
> project decisions. Like when v45.5 and v45.3 were
> released Linux only, some of us asked if a Windows
> version would be available, and it turned into arguments
> about whether we should expand non-DRM browsers under
> unfree systems. Instead of arguments we need to focus on
> the project and official policy vs mailing list
> opinions. We should also focus on who the decision
> makers actually are, to my knowledge Ruben has been busy
> lately but someone can easily say "Why should we
> maintain a Windows or Mac version of IceCat?" and be
> confused for someone who is making decisions for the
> project.
> 
> --
> 
> -Dan Q
> 
> On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 09:03:32 -0800, Gary Driggs
> > wrote:
> 
> Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
> 
> 
> Ruben having discontinued Windows support for
> IceCat was the best and easiest way to force
> most of the human population into DRM.
> 
> 
> Where did you see any such announcement?
> 
> Maybe we should start an alternate mailing list,
> political-gnuzi...@gnu.org
> , so the rest of
> us can discuss technical topics in peace.
> --
> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> 
> 
> --
> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> 
> 
> 
> --
> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> 

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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[awakeyet]

are you implying that it's silly to look for problems and then improve by 
updating? 

I guess  we should just stop looking for vulnerabilities to fix, because if we 
ignore them they will all just go away right? Wrong.



30. Dec 2016 15:38 by informat...@actiu.net:


> IceCat 45 must have vulnerabilities too, and then someone will ask for
> Icecat 52, etc.
>
>
> El 30/12/16 a les 17:44, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
>> Numerous remote code execution vulnerabilities? You're kidding me right?
>>
>> --
>>
>> -Dan Q
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 11:06:10 +0100, Narcis Garcia <>> 
>> informat...@actiu.net>> > wrote:
>>
>>> People asking for a new IceCat version for Windows, they already have
>>> IceCat 38.8.0 ans it seems usable.
>>> Any freedom and security enhancement they ask for, it's to GNU/Linux
>>> direction.
>>>
>>>
>>> El 29/12/16 a les 23:58, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
 I think there's been a real problem lately where complaints by users are 
 being confused with official project decisions. Like when v45.5 and v45.3 
 were released Linux only, some of us asked if a Windows version would be 
 available, and it turned into arguments about whether we should expand 
 non-DRM browsers under unfree systems. Instead of arguments we need to 
 focus on the project and official policy vs mailing list opinions. We 
 should also focus on who the decision makers actually are, to my knowledge 
 Ruben has been busy lately but someone can easily say "Why should we 
 maintain a Windows or Mac version of IceCat?" and be confused for someone 
 who is making decisions for the project.

 --

 -Dan Q

 On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 09:03:32 -0800, Gary Driggs < 
 gdri...@gmail.com > wrote:

> Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
>>
>> Ruben having discontinued Windows support for IceCat was the best and 
>> easiest way to force most of the human population into DRM.
>
> Where did you see any such announcement?
>
> Maybe we should start an alternate mailing list, > 
> political-gnuzi...@gnu.org> , so the rest of us can discuss technical 
> topics in peace.
> --
> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org



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>>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[Gary Driggs]

Narcis Garcia wrote:
> 
> IceCat 45 must have vulnerabilities too, and then someone will ask for
> Icecat 52, etc.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2016-95/--
http://gnuzilla.gnu.org

Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[Daniel Quintiliani]

Should I just ignore this guy now? Because he's starting to sound like he's 
nuts.

--

-Dan Q


On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 21:38:27 +0100, Narcis Garcia  wrote:

> IceCat 45 must have vulnerabilities too, and then someone will ask for
> Icecat 52, etc.
> 
> 
> El 30/12/16 a les 17:44, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
> > Numerous remote code execution vulnerabilities? You're kidding me right?
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > -Dan Q
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 11:06:10 +0100, Narcis Garcia  
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> People asking for a new IceCat version for Windows, they already have
> >> IceCat 38.8.0 ans it seems usable.
> >> Any freedom and security enhancement they ask for, it's to GNU/Linux
> >> direction.
> >>
> >>
> >> El 29/12/16 a les 23:58, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
> >>> I think there's been a real problem lately where complaints by users are 
> >>> being confused with official project decisions. Like when v45.5 and v45.3 
> >>> were released Linux only, some of us asked if a Windows version would be 
> >>> available, and it turned into arguments about whether we should expand 
> >>> non-DRM browsers under unfree systems. Instead of arguments we need to 
> >>> focus on the project and official policy vs mailing list opinions. We 
> >>> should also focus on who the decision makers actually are, to my 
> >>> knowledge Ruben has been busy lately but someone can easily say "Why 
> >>> should we maintain a Windows or Mac version of IceCat?" and be confused 
> >>> for someone who is making decisions for the project.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> -Dan Q
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 09:03:32 -0800, Gary Driggs  wrote:
> >>>
>  Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
> >
> > Ruben having discontinued Windows support for IceCat was the best and 
> > easiest way to force most of the human population into DRM.
> 
>  Where did you see any such announcement?
> 
>  Maybe we should start an alternate mailing list, 
>  political-gnuzi...@gnu.org, so the rest of us can discuss technical 
>  topics in peace.
>  --
>  http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> > 
> > 
> 
> --
> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org



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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[Narcis Garcia]

IceCat 45 must have vulnerabilities too, and then someone will ask for
Icecat 52, etc.


El 30/12/16 a les 17:44, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
> Numerous remote code execution vulnerabilities? You're kidding me right?
> 
> --
> 
> -Dan Q
> 
> 
> On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 11:06:10 +0100, Narcis Garcia  
> wrote:
> 
>> People asking for a new IceCat version for Windows, they already have
>> IceCat 38.8.0 ans it seems usable.
>> Any freedom and security enhancement they ask for, it's to GNU/Linux
>> direction.
>>
>>
>> El 29/12/16 a les 23:58, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
>>> I think there's been a real problem lately where complaints by users are 
>>> being confused with official project decisions. Like when v45.5 and v45.3 
>>> were released Linux only, some of us asked if a Windows version would be 
>>> available, and it turned into arguments about whether we should expand 
>>> non-DRM browsers under unfree systems. Instead of arguments we need to 
>>> focus on the project and official policy vs mailing list opinions. We 
>>> should also focus on who the decision makers actually are, to my knowledge 
>>> Ruben has been busy lately but someone can easily say "Why should we 
>>> maintain a Windows or Mac version of IceCat?" and be confused for someone 
>>> who is making decisions for the project.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> -Dan Q
>>>
>>> On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 09:03:32 -0800, Gary Driggs  wrote:
>>>
 Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
>
> Ruben having discontinued Windows support for IceCat was the best and 
> easiest way to force most of the human population into DRM.

 Where did you see any such announcement?

 Maybe we should start an alternate mailing list, 
 political-gnuzi...@gnu.org, so the rest of us can discuss technical topics 
 in peace.
 --
 http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
>>>
>>
>> --
>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> 
> 

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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[Gary Driggs]

it's OK. private = secure in the same way policy compliant = secure. :-)

> On Dec 30, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Daniel Quintiliani  wrote:
> 
> Numerous remote code execution vulnerabilities? You're kidding me right?
> 
> --
> 
> -Dan Q
> 
> 
>> On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 11:06:10 +0100, Narcis Garcia  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> People asking for a new IceCat version for Windows, they already have
>> IceCat 38.8.0 ans it seems usable.
>> Any freedom and security enhancement they ask for, it's to GNU/Linux
>> direction.
>> 
>> 
>> El 29/12/16 a les 23:58, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
>>> I think there's been a real problem lately where complaints by users are 
>>> being confused with official project decisions. Like when v45.5 and v45.3 
>>> were released Linux only, some of us asked if a Windows version would be 
>>> available, and it turned into arguments about whether we should expand 
>>> non-DRM browsers under unfree systems. Instead of arguments we need to 
>>> focus on the project and official policy vs mailing list opinions. We 
>>> should also focus on who the decision makers actually are, to my knowledge 
>>> Ruben has been busy lately but someone can easily say "Why should we 
>>> maintain a Windows or Mac version of IceCat?" and be confused for someone 
>>> who is making decisions for the project.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> -Dan Q
>>> 
 On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 09:03:32 -0800, Gary Driggs  wrote:
 
 Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
> 
> Ruben having discontinued Windows support for IceCat was the best and 
> easiest way to force most of the human population into DRM.
 
 Where did you see any such announcement?
 
 Maybe we should start an alternate mailing list, 
 political-gnuzi...@gnu..org, so the rest of us can discuss technical 
 topics in peace.
 --
 http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
>>> 
>> 
>> --
>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> 
> 
> 
> --
> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org

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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[Daniel Quintiliani]

Numerous remote code execution vulnerabilities? You're kidding me right?

--

-Dan Q


On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 11:06:10 +0100, Narcis Garcia  wrote:

> People asking for a new IceCat version for Windows, they already have
> IceCat 38.8.0 ans it seems usable.
> Any freedom and security enhancement they ask for, it's to GNU/Linux
> direction.
> 
> 
> El 29/12/16 a les 23:58, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
> > I think there's been a real problem lately where complaints by users are 
> > being confused with official project decisions. Like when v45.5 and v45.3 
> > were released Linux only, some of us asked if a Windows version would be 
> > available, and it turned into arguments about whether we should expand 
> > non-DRM browsers under unfree systems. Instead of arguments we need to 
> > focus on the project and official policy vs mailing list opinions. We 
> > should also focus on who the decision makers actually are, to my knowledge 
> > Ruben has been busy lately but someone can easily say "Why should we 
> > maintain a Windows or Mac version of IceCat?" and be confused for someone 
> > who is making decisions for the project.
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > -Dan Q
> > 
> > On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 09:03:32 -0800, Gary Driggs  wrote:
> > 
> >> Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Ruben having discontinued Windows support for IceCat was the best and 
> >>> easiest way to force most of the human population into DRM.
> >>
> >> Where did you see any such announcement?
> >>
> >> Maybe we should start an alternate mailing list, 
> >> political-gnuzi...@gnu.org, so the rest of us can discuss technical topics 
> >> in peace.
> >> --
> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> > 
> 
> --
> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org



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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[Narcis Garcia]

People asking for a new IceCat version for Windows, they already have
IceCat 38.8.0 ans it seems usable.
Any freedom and security enhancement they ask for, it's to GNU/Linux
direction.


El 29/12/16 a les 23:58, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
> I think there's been a real problem lately where complaints by users are 
> being confused with official project decisions. Like when v45.5 and v45.3 
> were released Linux only, some of us asked if a Windows version would be 
> available, and it turned into arguments about whether we should expand 
> non-DRM browsers under unfree systems. Instead of arguments we need to focus 
> on the project and official policy vs mailing list opinions. We should also 
> focus on who the decision makers actually are, to my knowledge Ruben has been 
> busy lately but someone can easily say "Why should we maintain a Windows or 
> Mac version of IceCat?" and be confused for someone who is making decisions 
> for the project.
> 
> --
> 
> -Dan Q
> 
> On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 09:03:32 -0800, Gary Driggs  wrote:
> 
>> Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
>>>
>>> Ruben having discontinued Windows support for IceCat was the best and 
>>> easiest way to force most of the human population into DRM.
>>
>> Where did you see any such announcement?
>>
>> Maybe we should start an alternate mailing list, political-gnuzi...@gnu.org, 
>> so the rest of us can discuss technical topics in peace.
>> --
>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> 
> 
> 
> --
> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> 

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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[Daniel Quintiliani]

It's not about security, IceCat is highly insecure, we're always months behind 
the latest ESR even. It's about people everywhere, regardless of OS, not being 
stuck with such things as EME and mandatory signing. Hell with Firefox and 
Chrome, Linux has that now too.

--

-Dan Q


On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 23:16:25 +0100 (CET),  wrote:

> THIS! 10/10 all the way. devs wasting precious time and resources working on 
> any windows software does nothing to help anyone in any way. we would all be 
> insulting our own intelligence and our principles, the very purpose of 
> icecat; to consider further enabling people to have a false sense of security 
> while using the very software that is one of the main driving forces behind 
> the reason why software's like icecat are even created in the first place. 
> the contradiction! the hypocracy! I invite all people of the world to use 
> FOSS linux software on FOSH hardware with a great browser like Gnu IceCat so 
> that they may comfortably step across the bridge from a sinking ship to a 
> paradigm shift!
> 
> "No, I do not. Please enlighten us. When was the last time a major tech 
> company 
> exec went to jail or prison over an obvious computer crime, like when $ony 
> rooted millions of PCs? Was anyone ever indicted even? With their game 
> consoles, Micro$oft routinely takes pictures of naked teenagers and sends 
> them 
> over the internet, without their knowledge or informed consent, what is up 
> with that? Clearly, this is an invasion of privacy and an illegal porn 
> production, so what is being done about it?
> 
> Please stop the nonsense. Your analogies are awful and misleading. if icecat 
> is a band-aid, then you are asking us to put it on a brain tumor. Yes, I 
> would 
> refuse to distribute GNU-branded band-aids to brain tumor patients, while 
> claiming they help, even though some may slap them on their foreheads and 
> feel 
> better due to a placebo effect. What these people need is an invasive, but 
> life-saving operation. Once the windoze tumor is removed, it makes sense 
> applying a band-aid.
> 
> Once again, I am not in principle against building icecat for nonfree 
> platforms such as windoze, but please get a grip. It is next to useless. 
> Either kindly contribute a build, or stop pestering the developers, who 
> already have more work than they can handle."
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 29. Dec 2016 13:06 by melik...@melikamp.com:
> 
> 
> > On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 21:37:31 Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
> >> I doubt Microsoft would risk taking screenshots of employee's computers at
> >> Fortune 500 companies. Do you know how dangerously illegal that is?
> >
> > No, I do not. Please enlighten us. When was the last time a major tech 
> > company 
> > exec went to jail or prison over an obvious computer crime, like when $ony 
> > rooted millions of PCs? Was anyone ever indicted even? With their game 
> > consoles, Micro$oft routinely takes pictures of naked teenagers and sends 
> > them 
> > over the internet, without their knowledge or informed consent, what is up 
> > with that? Clearly, this is an invasion of privacy and an illegal porn 
> > production, so what is being done about it?
> >
> > Please stop the nonsense. Your analogies are awful and misleading. if 
> > icecat 
> > is a band-aid, then you are asking us to put it on a brain tumor. Yes, I 
> > would 
> > refuse to distribute GNU-branded band-aids to brain tumor patients, while 
> > claiming they help, even though some may slap them on their foreheads and 
> > feel 
> > better due to a placebo effect. What these people need is an invasive, but 
> > life-saving operation. Once the windoze tumor is removed, it makes sense 
> > applying a band-aid.
> >
> > Once again, I am not in principle against building icecat for nonfree 
> > platforms such as windoze, but please get a grip. It is next to useless. 
> > Either kindly contribute a build, or stop pestering the developers, who 
> > already have more work than they can handle.
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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[Daniel Quintiliani]

Well they can get away with targeting home users, and you raise an interesting 
point about child pornography laws, but for Fortune 500 companies and their 
trade secrets you have to deal with stuff like non-disclosure agreements, 
insider trading laws, military contractors, etc. Microsoft would be really 
stupid to play games like that, such as dealing in trade secrets without 
appropriate clearance, and can face serious lawsuits from companies with far 
more net worth and political connections than Microsoft.

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-Dan Q


On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 10:06:32 -0800, Ivan Zaigralin  
wrote:

> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 21:37:31 Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
> > I doubt Microsoft would risk taking screenshots of employee's computers at
> > Fortune 500 companies. Do you know how dangerously illegal that is?
> 
> No, I do not. Please enlighten us. When was the last time a major tech 
> company 
> exec went to jail or prison over an obvious computer crime, like when $ony 
> rooted millions of PCs? Was anyone ever indicted even? With their game 
> consoles, Micro$oft routinely takes pictures of naked teenagers and sends 
> them 
> over the internet, without their knowledge or informed consent, what is up 
> with that? Clearly, this is an invasion of privacy and an illegal porn 
> production, so what is being done about it?
> 
> Please stop the nonsense. Your analogies are awful and misleading. if icecat 
> is a band-aid, then you are asking us to put it on a brain tumor. Yes, I 
> would 
> refuse to distribute GNU-branded band-aids to brain tumor patients, while 
> claiming they help, even though some may slap them on their foreheads and 
> feel 
> better due to a placebo effect. What these people need is an invasive, but 
> life-saving operation. Once the windoze tumor is removed, it makes sense 
> applying a band-aid.
> 
> Once again, I am not in principle against building icecat for nonfree 
> platforms such as windoze, but please get a grip. It is next to useless. 
> Either kindly contribute a build, or stop pestering the developers, who 
> already have more work than they can handle.
> --
> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org



--
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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[Daniel Quintiliani]

I think there's been a real problem lately where complaints by users are being 
confused with official project decisions. Like when v45.5 and v45.3 were 
released Linux only, some of us asked if a Windows version would be available, 
and it turned into arguments about whether we should expand non-DRM browsers 
under unfree systems. Instead of arguments we need to focus on the project and 
official policy vs mailing list opinions. We should also focus on who the 
decision makers actually are, to my knowledge Ruben has been busy lately but 
someone can easily say "Why should we maintain a Windows or Mac version of 
IceCat?" and be confused for someone who is making decisions for the project.

--

-Dan Q

On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 09:03:32 -0800, Gary Driggs  wrote:

> Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
> > 
> > Ruben having discontinued Windows support for IceCat was the best and 
> > easiest way to force most of the human population into DRM.
> 
> Where did you see any such announcement?
> 
> Maybe we should start an alternate mailing list, political-gnuzi...@gnu.org, 
> so the rest of us can discuss technical topics in peace.
> --
> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org



--
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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[awakeyet]

THIS! 10/10 all the way. devs wasting precious time and resources working on 
any windows software does nothing to help anyone in any way. we would all be 
insulting our own intelligence and our principles, the very purpose of icecat; 
to consider further enabling people to have a false sense of security while 
using the very software that is one of the main driving forces behind the 
reason why software's like icecat are even created in the first place. the 
contradiction! the hypocracy! I invite all people of the world to use FOSS 
linux software on FOSH hardware with a great browser like Gnu IceCat so that 
they may comfortably step across the bridge from a sinking ship to a paradigm 
shift!

"No, I do not. Please enlighten us. When was the last time a major tech company 
exec went to jail or prison over an obvious computer crime, like when $ony 
rooted millions of PCs? Was anyone ever indicted even? With their game 
consoles, Micro$oft routinely takes pictures of naked teenagers and sends them 
over the internet, without their knowledge or informed consent, what is up 
with that? Clearly, this is an invasion of privacy and an illegal porn 
production, so what is being done about it?

Please stop the nonsense. Your analogies are awful and misleading. if icecat 
is a band-aid, then you are asking us to put it on a brain tumor. Yes, I would 
refuse to distribute GNU-branded band-aids to brain tumor patients, while 
claiming they help, even though some may slap them on their foreheads and feel 
better due to a placebo effect. What these people need is an invasive, but 
life-saving operation. Once the windoze tumor is removed, it makes sense 
applying a band-aid.

Once again, I am not in principle against building icecat for nonfree 
platforms such as windoze, but please get a grip. It is next to useless. 
Either kindly contribute a build, or stop pestering the developers, who 
already have more work than they can handle."



--
29. Dec 2016 13:06 by melik...@melikamp.com:


> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 21:37:31 Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
>> I doubt Microsoft would risk taking screenshots of employee's computers at
>> Fortune 500 companies. Do you know how dangerously illegal that is?
>
> No, I do not. Please enlighten us. When was the last time a major tech 
> company 
> exec went to jail or prison over an obvious computer crime, like when $ony 
> rooted millions of PCs? Was anyone ever indicted even? With their game 
> consoles, Micro$oft routinely takes pictures of naked teenagers and sends 
> them 
> over the internet, without their knowledge or informed consent, what is up 
> with that? Clearly, this is an invasion of privacy and an illegal porn 
> production, so what is being done about it?
>
> Please stop the nonsense. Your analogies are awful and misleading. if icecat 
> is a band-aid, then you are asking us to put it on a brain tumor. Yes, I 
> would 
> refuse to distribute GNU-branded band-aids to brain tumor patients, while 
> claiming they help, even though some may slap them on their foreheads and 
> feel 
> better due to a placebo effect. What these people need is an invasive, but 
> life-saving operation. Once the windoze tumor is removed, it makes sense 
> applying a band-aid.
>
> Once again, I am not in principle against building icecat for nonfree 
> platforms such as windoze, but please get a grip. It is next to useless. 
> Either kindly contribute a build, or stop pestering the developers, who 
> already have more work than they can handle.--
http://gnuzilla.gnu.org

Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[Ivan Zaigralin]

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 21:37:31 Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
> I doubt Microsoft would risk taking screenshots of employee's computers at
> Fortune 500 companies. Do you know how dangerously illegal that is?

No, I do not. Please enlighten us. When was the last time a major tech company 
exec went to jail or prison over an obvious computer crime, like when $ony 
rooted millions of PCs? Was anyone ever indicted even? With their game 
consoles, Micro$oft routinely takes pictures of naked teenagers and sends them 
over the internet, without their knowledge or informed consent, what is up 
with that? Clearly, this is an invasion of privacy and an illegal porn 
production, so what is being done about it?

Please stop the nonsense. Your analogies are awful and misleading. if icecat 
is a band-aid, then you are asking us to put it on a brain tumor. Yes, I would 
refuse to distribute GNU-branded band-aids to brain tumor patients, while 
claiming they help, even though some may slap them on their foreheads and feel 
better due to a placebo effect. What these people need is an invasive, but 
life-saving operation. Once the windoze tumor is removed, it makes sense 
applying a band-aid.

Once again, I am not in principle against building icecat for nonfree 
platforms such as windoze, but please get a grip. It is next to useless. 
Either kindly contribute a build, or stop pestering the developers, who 
already have more work than they can handle.

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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[Gary Driggs]

Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
> 
> Ruben having discontinued Windows support for IceCat was the best and easiest 
> way to force most of the human population into DRM.

Where did you see any such announcement?

Maybe we should start an alternate mailing list, political-gnuzi...@gnu.org, so 
the rest of us can discuss technical topics in peace.
--
http://gnuzilla.gnu.org

Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[Narcis Garcia]

Do you mean you told a supposition without having any report about it?
No source link to refer?

If so, this informative style harms to freedom and privacy projects.


El 29/12/16 a les 03:05, awake...@tutanota.de ha escrit:
> "Information source?"
> 
> I hate to be that person that says to go use a search engine but if you
> check out startpage.com and youtube you will find a few good results.
> 
> "I know. I'd imagine that would violate trade secrets laws, or identity
> theft if your social security number was involved."
> 
> and somehow they seem to get away with it. Prism.
> 
> 28. Dec 2016 14:33 by d...@runbox.com :
> 
> I know. I'd imagine that would violate trade secrets laws, or
> identity theft if your social security number was involved.
> 
> --
> 
> -Dan Q
> 
> 
> On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 19:23:33 +0100, Narcis Garcia
> > wrote:
> 
> "windows literally takes a picture of your desktop every 10
> seconds to
> 10 minutes and garbles it into a png file and sends it to microsoft"
> 
> Information source?
> 
> 
> El 28/12/16 a les 18:26, awake...@tutanota.de
>  ha escrit:
> > Oh Come On. if you use IceCat on windows for privacy benefits
> of using a
> > better browser it's completely and pathetically negated by the
> very
> > fact that IceCat is running in an operating system who's very
> job is to
> > spy the ** out of everyone who uses it.
> > windows literally takes a picture of your desktop every 10
> seconds to 10
> > minutes and garbles it into a png file and sends it to
> microsoft. that's
> > your passwords, your social security number, your entire life.
> tricking
> > yourself into believing that you get any security related
> benefit out of
> > using a good browser on a very very bad operating system is
> just plain
> > silly. windows even lets you change privacy and security
> settings, but
> > just changes them back for you later when you are not looking.
> look up
> > prism. facebook, google, microsoft, apple (who claims to stand
> up to the
> > MAN!), aol, yahoo, and a few others. they are a part of prism and
> > literally just give the nsa whatever they want. wake up.
> >
> >
> >
> > 11. Dec 2016 13:18 by d...@runbox.com 
> >:
> >
> > You think that people who, through no fault of their own, can only
> > afford cheap laptops, or are stuck with Secure Boot and TPM
> because
> > they lack technical expertise to build a computer, should be
> forced
> > to use unfree browsers like Edge and Chrome, or the privacy
> settings
> > of Firefox? I have two computers, one Win10 and one Xubuntu,
> both of
> > which I built myself. I need the Windows computer for a few unfree
> > things, mainly as a substitute for a television for my
> bedroom, and
> > when I'm stuck with this pretty DRM machine for whatever
> reason, I'd
> > rather use a GNU project browser than DRM and privacy risks like
> > Edge, Chrome, and Firefox. Wouldn't you?
> >
> > --
> >
> > -Dan Q
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 11:55:09 +0100, Narcis Garcia
> > 
>  >> wrote:
> >
> > "IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes"
> > I don't subscribe this sentence. Completely not.
> >
> >
> > El 04/12/16 a les 22:29, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
> > > IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes. That's
> > why I was a little bummed to not see a Windows release of v45,
> > when I have to use Windows I'd like a little freedom and privacy
> > even if it isn't much.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > -Dan Q
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 21:19:32 +0100, mdn
> > 
> >  >> wrote:
> > >
> > >> If I am not mistaken,Normally if windows has only one
> browser he
> > >> launches the said browser.
> > >>
> > >> Uninstall any other browser (IE included) to uninstall IE go
> > in the
> > >> uninstall software section (in the control panel) 

Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[Daniel Quintiliani]

Would you close a soup kitchen because it helps discourage people from finding 
jobs?

--

-Dan Q


On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 03:07:17 +0100 (CET),  wrote:

> I would avoid windows, microsoft, apple, google, and anything from prism at 
> all costs if you want any sort of freedom and privacy to be honest, in my 
> experienced opinion.
> 
> 28. Dec 2016 14:29 by d...@runbox.com:
> 
> 
> > But should we add one additional private company (the Mozilla Foundation) 
> > to the threat list? Or lessen the threat of Win10 by using GNU in its place?
> >
> > --
> >
> > -Dan Q
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 18:26:20 +0100 (CET), <> awake...@tutanota.de> > wrote:
> >
> >> Oh Come On. if you use IceCat on windows for privacy benefits of using a 
> >> better browser it's completely  and pathetically negated by the very fact 
> >> that IceCat is running in an operating system who's very job is to spy the 
> >> ** out of everyone who uses it.
> >> windows literally takes a picture of your desktop every 10 seconds to 10 
> >> minutes and garbles it into a png file and sends it to microsoft. that's 
> >> your passwords, your social security number, your entire life. tricking 
> >> yourself into believing that you get any security related benefit out of 
> >> using a good browser on a very very bad operating system is just plain 
> >> silly. windows even lets you change privacy and security settings, but 
> >> just changes them back for you later when you are not looking. look up 
> >> prism. facebook, google, microsoft, apple (who claims to stand up to the 
> >> MAN!), aol, yahoo, and a few others. they are a part of prism and 
> >> literally just give the nsa whatever they want. wake up.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 11. Dec 2016 13:18 by >> d...@runbox.com>> :
> >>
> >>
> >> > You think that people who, through no fault of their own, can only 
> >> > afford cheap laptops, or are stuck with Secure Boot and TPM because they 
> >> > lack technical expertise to build a computer, should be forced to use 
> >> > unfree browsers like Edge and Chrome, or the privacy settings of 
> >> > Firefox? I have two computers, one Win10 and one Xubuntu, both of which 
> >> > I built myself. I need the Windows computer for a few unfree things, 
> >> > mainly as a substitute for a television for my bedroom, and when I'm 
> >> > stuck with this pretty DRM machine for whatever reason, I'd rather use a 
> >> > GNU project browser than DRM and privacy risks like Edge, Chrome, and 
> >> > Firefox. Wouldn't you?
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> >
> >> > -Dan Q
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 11:55:09 +0100, Narcis Garcia <> >> 
> >> > informat...@actiu.net>> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes"
> >> >> I don't subscribe this sentence. Completely not.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> El 04/12/16 a les 22:29, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
> >> >> > IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes. That's why I was 
> >> >> > a little bummed to not see a Windows release of v45, when I have to 
> >> >> > use Windows I'd like a little freedom and privacy even if it isn't 
> >> >> > much.
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > -Dan Q
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 21:19:32 +0100, mdn <>> >> 
> >> >> > bernardl...@openmailbox.org>> >> > wrote:
> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> If I am not mistaken,Normally if windows has only one browser he
> >> >> >> launches the said browser.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Uninstall any other browser (IE included) to uninstall IE go in the
> >> >> >> uninstall software section (in the control panel) there is a 
> >> >> >> "add/remove
> >> >> >> windows components" button (up left) from where you can remove 
> >> >> >> internet
> >> >> >> explorer (has well has others functions)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Be careful and see to migrate one day to a gnu distribution.
> >> >> >> Good luck
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Le 04/12/2016 02:05, Petr Vláčil a écrit :
> >> >> >>> Hello,
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> I started using this browser as a main on Windows 7 PRO x64bit, but 
> >> >> >>> I can't click on set it as a default browser. Is there any chance 
> >> >> >>> to set IceCat as a default browser?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Thank you in advance.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Btw. I found this >> >> 
> >> >> >>> http://www.glump.net/howto/desktop/set-gnu-icecat-as-default-browser-in-windows-8-x>>
> >> >> >>>  >>  , but I don't know, whether is this functional on Windows 7 
> >> >> >>> PRO x64bit.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> --
> >> >> >>> >> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > >> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >> >> > 
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org



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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[Daniel Quintiliani]

I doubt Microsoft would risk taking screenshots of employee's computers at 
Fortune 500 companies. Do you know how dangerously illegal that is?

--

-Dan Q


On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 03:05:18 +0100 (CET),  wrote:

> "Information source?"
> 
> I hate to be that person that says to go use a search engine but if you check 
> out startpage.com and youtube you will find a few good results.
> 
> "I know. I'd imagine that would violate trade secrets laws, or identity theft 
> if your social security number was involved."
> 
> and somehow they seem to get away with it. Prism.
> 
> 28. Dec 2016 14:33 by d...@runbox.com:
> 
> 
> > I know. I'd imagine that would violate trade secrets laws, or identity 
> > theft if your social security number was involved.
> >
> > --
> >
> > -Dan Q
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 19:23:33 +0100, Narcis Garcia <> informat...@actiu.net> 
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> "windows literally takes a picture of your desktop every 10 seconds to
> >> 10 minutes and garbles it into a png file and sends it to microsoft"
> >>
> >> Information source?
> >>
> >>
> >> El 28/12/16 a les 18:26, >> awake...@tutanota.de>>  ha escrit:
> >> > Oh Come On. if you use IceCat on windows for privacy benefits of using a
> >> > better browser it's completely  and pathetically negated by the very
> >> > fact that IceCat is running in an operating system who's very job is to
> >> > spy the ** out of everyone who uses it.
> >> > windows literally takes a picture of your desktop every 10 seconds to 10
> >> > minutes and garbles it into a png file and sends it to microsoft. that's
> >> > your passwords, your social security number, your entire life. tricking
> >> > yourself into believing that you get any security related benefit out of
> >> > using a good browser on a very very bad operating system is just plain
> >> > silly. windows even lets you change privacy and security settings, but
> >> > just changes them back for you later when you are not looking. look up
> >> > prism. facebook, google, microsoft, apple (who claims to stand up to the
> >> > MAN!), aol, yahoo, and a few others. they are a part of prism and
> >> > literally just give the nsa whatever they want. wake up.
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > 11. Dec 2016 13:18 by >> d...@runbox.com>>  <>> mailto:d...@runbox.com>> 
> >> > >:
> >> > 
> >> > You think that people who, through no fault of their own, can only
> >> > afford cheap laptops, or are stuck with Secure Boot and TPM because
> >> > they lack technical expertise to build a computer, should be forced
> >> > to use unfree browsers like Edge and Chrome, or the privacy settings
> >> > of Firefox? I have two computers, one Win10 and one Xubuntu, both of
> >> > which I built myself. I need the Windows computer for a few unfree
> >> > things, mainly as a substitute for a television for my bedroom, and
> >> > when I'm stuck with this pretty DRM machine for whatever reason, I'd
> >> > rather use a GNU project browser than DRM and privacy risks like
> >> > Edge, Chrome, and Firefox. Wouldn't you?
> >> > 
> >> > --
> >> > 
> >> > -Dan Q
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 11:55:09 +0100, Narcis Garcia
> >> > <>> informat...@actiu.net>>  <>> mailto:informat...@actiu.net>> >> 
> >> > wrote:
> >> > 
> >> > "IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes"
> >> > I don't subscribe this sentence. Completely not.
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > El 04/12/16 a les 22:29, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
> >> > > IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes. That's
> >> > why I was a little bummed to not see a Windows release of v45,
> >> > when I have to use Windows I'd like a little freedom and privacy
> >> > even if it isn't much.
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > >
> >> > > -Dan Q
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 21:19:32 +0100, mdn
> >> > <>> bernardl...@openmailbox.org
> >> > <>> mailto:bernardl...@openmailbox.org>> >> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> If I am not mistaken,Normally if windows has only one browser 
> >> > he
> >> > >> launches the said browser.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Uninstall any other browser (IE included) to uninstall IE go
> >> > in the
> >> > >> uninstall software section (in the control panel) there is a
> >> > "add/remove
> >> > >> windows components" button (up left) from where you can
> >> > remove internet
> >> > >> explorer (has well has others functions)
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Be careful and see to migrate one day to a gnu distribution.
> >> > >> Good luck
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Le 04/12/2016 02:05, Petr Vláčil a écrit :
> >> > >>> Hello,
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> I started using this browser as a main on 

Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[awakeyet]

I would avoid windows, microsoft, apple, google, and anything from prism at all 
costs if you want any sort of freedom and privacy to be honest, in my 
experienced opinion.

28. Dec 2016 14:29 by d...@runbox.com:


> But should we add one additional private company (the Mozilla Foundation) to 
> the threat list? Or lessen the threat of Win10 by using GNU in its place?
>
> --
>
> -Dan Q
>
>
> On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 18:26:20 +0100 (CET), <> awake...@tutanota.de> > wrote:
>
>> Oh Come On. if you use IceCat on windows for privacy benefits of using a 
>> better browser it's completely  and pathetically negated by the very fact 
>> that IceCat is running in an operating system who's very job is to spy the 
>> ** out of everyone who uses it.
>> windows literally takes a picture of your desktop every 10 seconds to 10 
>> minutes and garbles it into a png file and sends it to microsoft. that's 
>> your passwords, your social security number, your entire life. tricking 
>> yourself into believing that you get any security related benefit out of 
>> using a good browser on a very very bad operating system is just plain 
>> silly. windows even lets you change privacy and security settings, but just 
>> changes them back for you later when you are not looking. look up prism. 
>> facebook, google, microsoft, apple (who claims to stand up to the MAN!), 
>> aol, yahoo, and a few others. they are a part of prism and literally just 
>> give the nsa whatever they want. wake up.
>>
>>
>>
>> 11. Dec 2016 13:18 by >> d...@runbox.com>> :
>>
>>
>> > You think that people who, through no fault of their own, can only afford 
>> > cheap laptops, or are stuck with Secure Boot and TPM because they lack 
>> > technical expertise to build a computer, should be forced to use unfree 
>> > browsers like Edge and Chrome, or the privacy settings of Firefox? I have 
>> > two computers, one Win10 and one Xubuntu, both of which I built myself. I 
>> > need the Windows computer for a few unfree things, mainly as a substitute 
>> > for a television for my bedroom, and when I'm stuck with this pretty DRM 
>> > machine for whatever reason, I'd rather use a GNU project browser than DRM 
>> > and privacy risks like Edge, Chrome, and Firefox. Wouldn't you?
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > -Dan Q
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 11:55:09 +0100, Narcis Garcia <> >> 
>> > informat...@actiu.net>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes"
>> >> I don't subscribe this sentence. Completely not.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> El 04/12/16 a les 22:29, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
>> >> > IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes. That's why I was a 
>> >> > little bummed to not see a Windows release of v45, when I have to use 
>> >> > Windows I'd like a little freedom and privacy even if it isn't much.
>> >> > 
>> >> > --
>> >> > 
>> >> > -Dan Q
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 21:19:32 +0100, mdn <>> >> 
>> >> > bernardl...@openmailbox.org>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > 
>> >> >> If I am not mistaken,Normally if windows has only one browser he
>> >> >> launches the said browser.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Uninstall any other browser (IE included) to uninstall IE go in the
>> >> >> uninstall software section (in the control panel) there is a 
>> >> >> "add/remove
>> >> >> windows components" button (up left) from where you can remove internet
>> >> >> explorer (has well has others functions)
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Be careful and see to migrate one day to a gnu distribution.
>> >> >> Good luck
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Le 04/12/2016 02:05, Petr Vláčil a écrit :
>> >> >>> Hello,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I started using this browser as a main on Windows 7 PRO x64bit, but I 
>> >> >>> can't click on set it as a default browser. Is there any chance to 
>> >> >>> set IceCat as a default browser?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Thank you in advance.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Btw. I found this >> >> 
>> >> >>> http://www.glump.net/howto/desktop/set-gnu-icecat-as-default-browser-in-windows-8-x>>
>> >> >>>  >>  , but I don't know, whether is this functional on Windows 7 PRO 
>> >> >>> x64bit.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> >> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
>> >> >>>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > --
>> >> > >> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
>> >> > 
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org--
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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[awakeyet]

"Information source?"

I hate to be that person that says to go use a search engine but if you check 
out startpage.com and youtube you will find a few good results.

"I know. I'd imagine that would violate trade secrets laws, or identity theft 
if your social security number was involved."

and somehow they seem to get away with it. Prism.

28. Dec 2016 14:33 by d...@runbox.com:


> I know. I'd imagine that would violate trade secrets laws, or identity theft 
> if your social security number was involved.
>
> --
>
> -Dan Q
>
>
> On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 19:23:33 +0100, Narcis Garcia <> informat...@actiu.net> > 
> wrote:
>
>> "windows literally takes a picture of your desktop every 10 seconds to
>> 10 minutes and garbles it into a png file and sends it to microsoft"
>>
>> Information source?
>>
>>
>> El 28/12/16 a les 18:26, >> awake...@tutanota.de>>  ha escrit:
>> > Oh Come On. if you use IceCat on windows for privacy benefits of using a
>> > better browser it's completely  and pathetically negated by the very
>> > fact that IceCat is running in an operating system who's very job is to
>> > spy the ** out of everyone who uses it.
>> > windows literally takes a picture of your desktop every 10 seconds to 10
>> > minutes and garbles it into a png file and sends it to microsoft. that's
>> > your passwords, your social security number, your entire life. tricking
>> > yourself into believing that you get any security related benefit out of
>> > using a good browser on a very very bad operating system is just plain
>> > silly. windows even lets you change privacy and security settings, but
>> > just changes them back for you later when you are not looking. look up
>> > prism. facebook, google, microsoft, apple (who claims to stand up to the
>> > MAN!), aol, yahoo, and a few others. they are a part of prism and
>> > literally just give the nsa whatever they want. wake up.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 11. Dec 2016 13:18 by >> d...@runbox.com>>  <>> mailto:d...@runbox.com>> >:
>> > 
>> > You think that people who, through no fault of their own, can only
>> > afford cheap laptops, or are stuck with Secure Boot and TPM because
>> > they lack technical expertise to build a computer, should be forced
>> > to use unfree browsers like Edge and Chrome, or the privacy settings
>> > of Firefox? I have two computers, one Win10 and one Xubuntu, both of
>> > which I built myself. I need the Windows computer for a few unfree
>> > things, mainly as a substitute for a television for my bedroom, and
>> > when I'm stuck with this pretty DRM machine for whatever reason, I'd
>> > rather use a GNU project browser than DRM and privacy risks like
>> > Edge, Chrome, and Firefox. Wouldn't you?
>> > 
>> > --
>> > 
>> > -Dan Q
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 11:55:09 +0100, Narcis Garcia
>> > <>> informat...@actiu.net>>  <>> mailto:informat...@actiu.net>> >> 
>> > wrote:
>> > 
>> > "IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes"
>> > I don't subscribe this sentence. Completely not.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > El 04/12/16 a les 22:29, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
>> > > IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes. That's
>> > why I was a little bummed to not see a Windows release of v45,
>> > when I have to use Windows I'd like a little freedom and privacy
>> > even if it isn't much.
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > -Dan Q
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 21:19:32 +0100, mdn
>> > <>> bernardl...@openmailbox.org
>> > <>> mailto:bernardl...@openmailbox.org>> >> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> If I am not mistaken,Normally if windows has only one browser he
>> > >> launches the said browser.
>> > >>
>> > >> Uninstall any other browser (IE included) to uninstall IE go
>> > in the
>> > >> uninstall software section (in the control panel) there is a
>> > "add/remove
>> > >> windows components" button (up left) from where you can
>> > remove internet
>> > >> explorer (has well has others functions)
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Be careful and see to migrate one day to a gnu distribution.
>> > >> Good luck
>> > >>
>> > >> Le 04/12/2016 02:05, Petr Vláčil a écrit :
>> > >>> Hello,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I started using this browser as a main on Windows 7 PRO
>> > x64bit, but I can't click on set it as a default browser. Is
>> > there any chance to set IceCat as a default browser?
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Thank you in advance.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Btw. I found this
>> > >> 
>> > http://www.glump.net/howto/desktop/set-gnu-icecat-as-default-browser-in-windows-8-x
>> > , but I don't know, whether is this functional on Windows 7 PRO
>> > x64bit.
>> 

Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[Daniel Quintiliani]

I know. I'd imagine that would violate trade secrets laws, or identity theft if 
your social security number was involved.

--

-Dan Q


On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 19:23:33 +0100, Narcis Garcia  wrote:

> "windows literally takes a picture of your desktop every 10 seconds to
> 10 minutes and garbles it into a png file and sends it to microsoft"
> 
> Information source?
> 
> 
> El 28/12/16 a les 18:26, awake...@tutanota.de ha escrit:
> > Oh Come On. if you use IceCat on windows for privacy benefits of using a
> > better browser it's completely  and pathetically negated by the very
> > fact that IceCat is running in an operating system who's very job is to
> > spy the ** out of everyone who uses it.
> > windows literally takes a picture of your desktop every 10 seconds to 10
> > minutes and garbles it into a png file and sends it to microsoft. that's
> > your passwords, your social security number, your entire life. tricking
> > yourself into believing that you get any security related benefit out of
> > using a good browser on a very very bad operating system is just plain
> > silly. windows even lets you change privacy and security settings, but
> > just changes them back for you later when you are not looking. look up
> > prism. facebook, google, microsoft, apple (who claims to stand up to the
> > MAN!), aol, yahoo, and a few others. they are a part of prism and
> > literally just give the nsa whatever they want. wake up.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 11. Dec 2016 13:18 by d...@runbox.com :
> > 
> > You think that people who, through no fault of their own, can only
> > afford cheap laptops, or are stuck with Secure Boot and TPM because
> > they lack technical expertise to build a computer, should be forced
> > to use unfree browsers like Edge and Chrome, or the privacy settings
> > of Firefox? I have two computers, one Win10 and one Xubuntu, both of
> > which I built myself. I need the Windows computer for a few unfree
> > things, mainly as a substitute for a television for my bedroom, and
> > when I'm stuck with this pretty DRM machine for whatever reason, I'd
> > rather use a GNU project browser than DRM and privacy risks like
> > Edge, Chrome, and Firefox. Wouldn't you?
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > -Dan Q
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 11:55:09 +0100, Narcis Garcia
> > > wrote:
> > 
> > "IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes"
> > I don't subscribe this sentence. Completely not.
> > 
> > 
> > El 04/12/16 a les 22:29, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
> > > IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes. That's
> > why I was a little bummed to not see a Windows release of v45,
> > when I have to use Windows I'd like a little freedom and privacy
> > even if it isn't much.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > -Dan Q
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 21:19:32 +0100, mdn
> >  > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> If I am not mistaken,Normally if windows has only one browser he
> > >> launches the said browser.
> > >>
> > >> Uninstall any other browser (IE included) to uninstall IE go
> > in the
> > >> uninstall software section (in the control panel) there is a
> > "add/remove
> > >> windows components" button (up left) from where you can
> > remove internet
> > >> explorer (has well has others functions)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Be careful and see to migrate one day to a gnu distribution.
> > >> Good luck
> > >>
> > >> Le 04/12/2016 02:05, Petr Vláčil a écrit :
> > >>> Hello,
> > >>>
> > >>> I started using this browser as a main on Windows 7 PRO
> > x64bit, but I can't click on set it as a default browser. Is
> > there any chance to set IceCat as a default browser?
> > >>>
> > >>> Thank you in advance.
> > >>>
> > >>> Btw. I found this
> > 
> > http://www.glump.net/howto/desktop/set-gnu-icecat-as-default-browser-in-windows-8-x
> > , but I don't know, whether is this functional on Windows 7 PRO
> > x64bit.
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> > >>>
> > >> --
> > >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> > >
> > 
> > --
> > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> > 
> 
> --
> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org



--
http://gnuzilla.gnu.org

Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[Narcis Garcia]

"windows literally takes a picture of your desktop every 10 seconds to
10 minutes and garbles it into a png file and sends it to microsoft"

Information source?


El 28/12/16 a les 18:26, awake...@tutanota.de ha escrit:
> Oh Come On. if you use IceCat on windows for privacy benefits of using a
> better browser it's completely  and pathetically negated by the very
> fact that IceCat is running in an operating system who's very job is to
> spy the ** out of everyone who uses it.
> windows literally takes a picture of your desktop every 10 seconds to 10
> minutes and garbles it into a png file and sends it to microsoft. that's
> your passwords, your social security number, your entire life. tricking
> yourself into believing that you get any security related benefit out of
> using a good browser on a very very bad operating system is just plain
> silly. windows even lets you change privacy and security settings, but
> just changes them back for you later when you are not looking. look up
> prism. facebook, google, microsoft, apple (who claims to stand up to the
> MAN!), aol, yahoo, and a few others. they are a part of prism and
> literally just give the nsa whatever they want. wake up.
> 
> 
> 
> 11. Dec 2016 13:18 by d...@runbox.com :
> 
> You think that people who, through no fault of their own, can only
> afford cheap laptops, or are stuck with Secure Boot and TPM because
> they lack technical expertise to build a computer, should be forced
> to use unfree browsers like Edge and Chrome, or the privacy settings
> of Firefox? I have two computers, one Win10 and one Xubuntu, both of
> which I built myself. I need the Windows computer for a few unfree
> things, mainly as a substitute for a television for my bedroom, and
> when I'm stuck with this pretty DRM machine for whatever reason, I'd
> rather use a GNU project browser than DRM and privacy risks like
> Edge, Chrome, and Firefox. Wouldn't you?
> 
> --
> 
> -Dan Q
> 
> 
> On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 11:55:09 +0100, Narcis Garcia
> > wrote:
> 
> "IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes"
> I don't subscribe this sentence. Completely not.
> 
> 
> El 04/12/16 a les 22:29, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
> > IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes. That's
> why I was a little bummed to not see a Windows release of v45,
> when I have to use Windows I'd like a little freedom and privacy
> even if it isn't much.
> >
> > --
> >
> > -Dan Q
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 21:19:32 +0100, mdn
>  > wrote:
> >
> >> If I am not mistaken,Normally if windows has only one browser he
> >> launches the said browser.
> >>
> >> Uninstall any other browser (IE included) to uninstall IE go
> in the
> >> uninstall software section (in the control panel) there is a
> "add/remove
> >> windows components" button (up left) from where you can
> remove internet
> >> explorer (has well has others functions)
> >>
> >>
> >> Be careful and see to migrate one day to a gnu distribution.
> >> Good luck
> >>
> >> Le 04/12/2016 02:05, Petr Vláčil a écrit :
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>> I started using this browser as a main on Windows 7 PRO
> x64bit, but I can't click on set it as a default browser. Is
> there any chance to set IceCat as a default browser?
> >>>
> >>> Thank you in advance.
> >>>
> >>> Btw. I found this
> 
> http://www.glump.net/howto/desktop/set-gnu-icecat-as-default-browser-in-windows-8-x
> , but I don't know, whether is this functional on Windows 7 PRO
> x64bit.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >>>
> >> --
> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >
> 
> --
> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> 

--
http://gnuzilla.gnu.org

Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[awakeyet]

Oh Come On. if you use IceCat on windows for privacy benefits of using a better 
browser it's completely  and pathetically negated by the very fact that IceCat 
is running in an operating system who's very job is to spy the 
** out of everyone who uses it.
windows literally takes a picture of your desktop every 10 seconds to 10 
minutes and garbles it into a png file and sends it to microsoft. that's your 
passwords, your social security number, your entire life. tricking yourself 
into believing that you get any security related benefit out of using a good 
browser on a very very bad operating system is just plain silly. windows even 
lets you change privacy and security settings, but just changes them back for 
you later when you are not looking. look up prism. facebook, google, microsoft, 
apple (who claims to stand up to the MAN!), aol, yahoo, and a few others. they 
are a part of prism and literally just give the nsa whatever they want. wake up.



11. Dec 2016 13:18 by d...@runbox.com:


> You think that people who, through no fault of their own, can only afford 
> cheap laptops, or are stuck with Secure Boot and TPM because they lack 
> technical expertise to build a computer, should be forced to use unfree 
> browsers like Edge and Chrome, or the privacy settings of Firefox? I have two 
> computers, one Win10 and one Xubuntu, both of which I built myself. I need 
> the Windows computer for a few unfree things, mainly as a substitute for a 
> television for my bedroom, and when I'm stuck with this pretty DRM machine 
> for whatever reason, I'd rather use a GNU project browser than DRM and 
> privacy risks like Edge, Chrome, and Firefox. Wouldn't you?
>
> --
>
> -Dan Q
>
>
> On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 11:55:09 +0100, Narcis Garcia <> informat...@actiu.net> > 
> wrote:
>
>> "IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes"
>> I don't subscribe this sentence. Completely not.
>>
>>
>> El 04/12/16 a les 22:29, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
>> > IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes. That's why I was a 
>> > little bummed to not see a Windows release of v45, when I have to use 
>> > Windows I'd like a little freedom and privacy even if it isn't much.
>> > 
>> > --
>> > 
>> > -Dan Q
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 21:19:32 +0100, mdn <>> bernardl...@openmailbox.org>> > 
>> > wrote:
>> > 
>> >> If I am not mistaken,Normally if windows has only one browser he
>> >> launches the said browser.
>> >>
>> >> Uninstall any other browser (IE included) to uninstall IE go in the
>> >> uninstall software section (in the control panel) there is a "add/remove
>> >> windows components" button (up left) from where you can remove internet
>> >> explorer (has well has others functions)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Be careful and see to migrate one day to a gnu distribution.
>> >> Good luck
>> >>
>> >> Le 04/12/2016 02:05, Petr Vláčil a écrit :
>> >>> Hello,
>> >>>
>> >>> I started using this browser as a main on Windows 7 PRO x64bit, but I 
>> >>> can't click on set it as a default browser. Is there any chance to set 
>> >>> IceCat as a default browser?
>> >>>
>> >>> Thank you in advance.
>> >>>
>> >>> Btw. I found this >> 
>> >>> http://www.glump.net/howto/desktop/set-gnu-icecat-as-default-browser-in-windows-8-x>>
>> >>>   , but I don't know, whether is this functional on Windows 7 PRO x64bit.
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
>> >>>
>> >> --
>> >> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > --
>> > >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
>> > 
>>
>> --
>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
>
>
>
> --
> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org--
http://gnuzilla.gnu.org

Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[Narcis Garcia]

El 13/12/16 a les 04:28, Mart Rootamm ha escrit:
> I agree with Daniel Quintiliani upthread.
> 
> In addition,
> There are many computers with UEFI and some machines with Windows, that
> won't allow installation or running of alternative (aka non-Windows)
> operating systems.

I still haven't found any x86 computer where I couldn't install GNU/Linux.

> Some machines are tablet computers, where changing the default OS is
> more difficult, and which internal hardware is specific enough, that
> drivers for free operating systems are non-existent.

Incompatible devices with FOSS (no Cyanogenmod/OmniROM/Replicant
possibility): bad device choice.

> Suppose the UEFI BIOS is password-protected by the employer, for
> example, making it impossible to run an alternative OS from removable
> media, while the employee is permitted to run FOSS software on said PC.

Employer can be part of the malware policy here. Better to use another
device than employer's provided one.

> Other people who have purchased computers, might not remove the
> pre-installed operating system; since a proprietary OS is present, and
> that's considered part of the purchase price. A proprietary system is
> often required to be present for study—in order to support friends,
> family, and potential customers.

Incompatible devices with FOSS again? bad computer choice. And 99% of
proprietary software can be run under a virtual machine or Playonlinux/Wine.

> For yet others, changing the default operating system is a lot of work.
> Repartitioning a main storage to install an alternative operating system
> does entail risk; especially for people who are not experienced with that.

It's true the freedom becomes more difficult as more freedom and
independence you want.

> Several manufacturers have chosen not to support computers where the
> main OS is not Windows.

Here wins a good user policy: devices & software choices, and
Playonlinux/Wine or virtual machine.
FOSS community provides a lot of help, much more than
privative/proprietary "community".

> Yet other people want a Free Software Gecko-based browser for general
> browsing, hoping to get funtionality that's not present in Firefox
> anymore. Lack of a Windows version thus reduces exposure.
> 
> btw, I just discovered in GMail, that if I click on the main field of
> e-mail recipients, I can drag and drop recipients from CC and BCC fields
> to the To: field. Convenient.
> 
> -M.


--
http://gnuzilla.gnu.org

Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[Mart Rootamm]

I agree with Daniel Quintiliani upthread.

In addition,
There are many computers with UEFI and some machines with Windows, that
won't allow installation or running of alternative (aka non-Windows)
operating systems.

Some machines are tablet computers, where changing the default OS is more
difficult, and which internal hardware is specific enough, that drivers for
free operating systems are non-existent.

Suppose the UEFI BIOS is password-protected by the employer, for example,
making it impossible to run an alternative OS from removable media, while
the employee is permitted to run FOSS software on said PC.

Other people who have purchased computers, might not remove the
pre-installed operating system; since a proprietary OS is present, and
that's considered part of the purchase price. A proprietary system is often
required to be present for study—in order to support friends, family, and
potential customers.

For yet others, changing the default operating system is a lot of work.
Repartitioning a main storage to install an alternative operating system
does entail risk; especially for people who are not experienced with that.

Several manufacturers have chosen not to support computers where the main
OS is not Windows.

Yet other people want a Free Software Gecko-based browser for general
browsing, hoping to get funtionality that's not present in Firefox anymore.
Lack of a Windows version thus reduces exposure.

btw, I just discovered in GMail, that if I click on the main field of
e-mail recipients, I can drag and drop recipients from CC and BCC fields to
the To: field. Convenient.

-M.

2016-12-13 3:39 GMT+02:00 Gary Driggs :

> Tails is pretty easy to use; https://tails.boum.org/
>
>
> On Dec 12, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Daniel Quintiliani  wrote:
>
> Seems like a lot of work and reading material for a Windows user who just
> wants to browse the web and not have to worry about corporate and
> government spooks. Plus there's the risk M$ is tampering with the virtual
> machine client, remember you still have UEFI too so it's possible.
>
> --
>
> -Dan Q
>
>
> On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 12:13:49 +0100, Narcis Garcia 
> wrote:
>
> In this needings situation I'd prefer one of following options:
>
> 1) Use directly the computer with GNU/Linux when needing to browse web
>
> 2) Use remotely (eg. vnc) the computer with GNU/Linux to browse web
>
> 3) Run a GNU/Linux virtual machine in Windows host to browse web
>
>
> Running FOSS in Windows, you are exposing this software to
>
> viruses/spammers/trackers customization out of your control.
>
>
> Most of Windows malware is prepared to modify user's aplications behaviour.
>
>
>
> El 11/12/16 a les 19:18, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
>
> You think that people who, through no fault of their own, can only afford
> cheap laptops, or are stuck with Secure Boot and TPM because they lack
> technical expertise to build a computer, should be forced to use unfree
> browsers like Edge and Chrome, or the privacy settings of Firefox? I have
> two computers, one Win10 and one Xubuntu, both of which I built myself. I
> need the Windows computer for a few unfree things, mainly as a substitute
> for a television for my bedroom, and when I'm stuck with this pretty DRM
> machine for whatever reason, I'd rather use a GNU project browser than DRM
> and privacy risks like Edge, Chrome, and Firefox. Wouldn't you?
>
>
> --
>
>
> -Dan Q
>
>
>
> On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 11:55:09 +0100, Narcis Garcia 
> wrote:
>
>
> "IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes"
>
> I don't subscribe this sentence. Completely not.
>
>
>
> El 04/12/16 a les 22:29, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
>
> IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes. That's why I was a
> little bummed to not see a Windows release of v45, when I have to use
> Windows I'd like a little freedom and privacy even if it isn't much.
>
>
> --
>
>
> -Dan Q
>
>
>
> On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 21:19:32 +0100, mdn 
> wrote:
>
>
> If I am not mistaken,Normally if windows has only one browser he
>
> launches the said browser.
>
>
> Uninstall any other browser (IE included) to uninstall IE go in the
>
> uninstall software section (in the control panel) there is a "add/remove
>
> windows components" button (up left) from where you can remove internet
>
> explorer (has well has others functions)
>
>
>
> Be careful and see to migrate one day to a gnu distribution.
>
> Good luck
>
>
> Le 04/12/2016 02:05, Petr Vláčil a écrit :
>
> Hello,
>
>
> I started using this browser as a main on Windows 7 PRO x64bit, but I
> can't click on set it as a default browser. Is there any chance to set
> IceCat as a default browser?
>
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
>
> Btw. I found this http://www.glump.net/howto/desktop/set-gnu-icecat-as-
> default-browser-in-windows-8-x , but I don't know, whether is this
> functional on Windows 7 PRO x64bit.
>
>
> --
>
> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org

Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[Gary Driggs]

Tails is pretty easy to use; https://tails.boum.org/


> On Dec 12, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Daniel Quintiliani  wrote:
> 
> Seems like a lot of work and reading material for a Windows user who just 
> wants to browse the web and not have to worry about corporate and government 
> spooks. Plus there's the risk M$ is tampering with the virtual machine 
> client, remember you still have UEFI too so it's possible.
> 
> --
> 
> -Dan Q
> 
> 
>> On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 12:13:49 +0100, Narcis Garcia  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> In this needings situation I'd prefer one of following options:
>> 1) Use directly the computer with GNU/Linux when needing to browse web
>> 2) Use remotely (eg. vnc) the computer with GNU/Linux to browse web
>> 3) Run a GNU/Linux virtual machine in Windows host to browse web
>> 
>> Running FOSS in Windows, you are exposing this software to
>> viruses/spammers/trackers customization out of your control.
>> 
>> Most of Windows malware is prepared to modify user's aplications behaviour.
>> 
>> 
>> El 11/12/16 a les 19:18, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
>>> You think that people who, through no fault of their own, can only afford 
>>> cheap laptops, or are stuck with Secure Boot and TPM because they lack 
>>> technical expertise to build a computer, should be forced to use unfree 
>>> browsers like Edge and Chrome, or the privacy settings of Firefox? I have 
>>> two computers, one Win10 and one Xubuntu, both of which I built myself. I 
>>> need the Windows computer for a few unfree things, mainly as a substitute 
>>> for a television for my bedroom, and when I'm stuck with this pretty DRM 
>>> machine for whatever reason, I'd rather use a GNU project browser than DRM 
>>> and privacy risks like Edge, Chrome, and Firefox. Wouldn't you?
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> -Dan Q
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 11:55:09 +0100, Narcis Garcia  
 wrote:
 
 "IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes"
 I don't subscribe this sentence. Completely not.
 
 
 El 04/12/16 a les 22:29, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
> IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes. That's why I was a 
> little bummed to not see a Windows release of v45, when I have to use 
> Windows I'd like a little freedom and privacy even if it isn't much.
> 
> --
> 
> -Dan Q
> 
> 
>> On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 21:19:32 +0100, mdn  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> If I am not mistaken,Normally if windows has only one browser he
>> launches the said browser.
>> 
>> Uninstall any other browser (IE included) to uninstall IE go in the
>> uninstall software section (in the control panel) there is a "add/remove
>> windows components" button (up left) from where you can remove internet
>> explorer (has well has others functions)
>> 
>> 
>> Be careful and see to migrate one day to a gnu distribution.
>> Good luck
>> 
>> Le 04/12/2016 02:05, Petr Vláčil a écrit :
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I started using this browser as a main on Windows 7 PRO x64bit, but I 
>>> can't click on set it as a default browser. Is there any chance to set 
>>> IceCat as a default browser?
>>> 
>>> Thank you in advance.
>>> 
>>> Btw. I found this 
>>> http://www.glump.net/howto/desktop/set-gnu-icecat-as-default-browser-in-windows-8-x
>>>  , but I don't know, whether is this functional on Windows 7 PRO x64bit.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
>>> 
>> --
>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> 
> 
> 
> --
> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> 
 
 --
 http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[Daniel Quintiliani]

Seems like a lot of work and reading material for a Windows user who just wants 
to browse the web and not have to worry about corporate and government spooks. 
Plus there's the risk M$ is tampering with the virtual machine client, remember 
you still have UEFI too so it's possible.

--

-Dan Q


On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 12:13:49 +0100, Narcis Garcia  wrote:

> In this needings situation I'd prefer one of following options:
> 1) Use directly the computer with GNU/Linux when needing to browse web
> 2) Use remotely (eg. vnc) the computer with GNU/Linux to browse web
> 3) Run a GNU/Linux virtual machine in Windows host to browse web
> 
> Running FOSS in Windows, you are exposing this software to
> viruses/spammers/trackers customization out of your control.
> 
> Most of Windows malware is prepared to modify user's aplications behaviour.
> 
> 
> El 11/12/16 a les 19:18, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
> > You think that people who, through no fault of their own, can only afford 
> > cheap laptops, or are stuck with Secure Boot and TPM because they lack 
> > technical expertise to build a computer, should be forced to use unfree 
> > browsers like Edge and Chrome, or the privacy settings of Firefox? I have 
> > two computers, one Win10 and one Xubuntu, both of which I built myself. I 
> > need the Windows computer for a few unfree things, mainly as a substitute 
> > for a television for my bedroom, and when I'm stuck with this pretty DRM 
> > machine for whatever reason, I'd rather use a GNU project browser than DRM 
> > and privacy risks like Edge, Chrome, and Firefox. Wouldn't you?
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > -Dan Q
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 11:55:09 +0100, Narcis Garcia  
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> "IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes"
> >> I don't subscribe this sentence. Completely not.
> >>
> >>
> >> El 04/12/16 a les 22:29, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
> >>> IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes. That's why I was a 
> >>> little bummed to not see a Windows release of v45, when I have to use 
> >>> Windows I'd like a little freedom and privacy even if it isn't much.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> -Dan Q
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 21:19:32 +0100, mdn  
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  If I am not mistaken,Normally if windows has only one browser he
>  launches the said browser.
> 
>  Uninstall any other browser (IE included) to uninstall IE go in the
>  uninstall software section (in the control panel) there is a "add/remove
>  windows components" button (up left) from where you can remove internet
>  explorer (has well has others functions)
> 
> 
>  Be careful and see to migrate one day to a gnu distribution.
>  Good luck
> 
>  Le 04/12/2016 02:05, Petr Vláčil a écrit :
> > Hello,
> >
> > I started using this browser as a main on Windows 7 PRO x64bit, but I 
> > can't click on set it as a default browser. Is there any chance to set 
> > IceCat as a default browser?
> >
> > Thank you in advance.
> >
> > Btw. I found this 
> > http://www.glump.net/howto/desktop/set-gnu-icecat-as-default-browser-in-windows-8-x
> >  , but I don't know, whether is this functional on Windows 7 PRO x64bit.
> >
> > --
> > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >
>  --
>  http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> > 
> > 



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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[Narcis Garcia]

In this needings situation I'd prefer one of following options:
1) Use directly the computer with GNU/Linux when needing to browse web
2) Use remotely (eg. vnc) the computer with GNU/Linux to browse web
3) Run a GNU/Linux virtual machine in Windows host to browse web

Running FOSS in Windows, you are exposing this software to
viruses/spammers/trackers customization out of your control.

Most of Windows malware is prepared to modify user's aplications
behaviour, and to spy your activity and traffic at application level.


El 11/12/16 a les 19:18, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
> You think that people who, through no fault of their own, can only afford 
> cheap laptops, or are stuck with Secure Boot and TPM because they lack 
> technical expertise to build a computer, should be forced to use unfree 
> browsers like Edge and Chrome, or the privacy settings of Firefox? I have two 
> computers, one Win10 and one Xubuntu, both of which I built myself. I need 
> the Windows computer for a few unfree things, mainly as a substitute for a 
> television for my bedroom, and when I'm stuck with this pretty DRM machine 
> for whatever reason, I'd rather use a GNU project browser than DRM and 
> privacy risks like Edge, Chrome, and Firefox. Wouldn't you?
> 
> --
> 
> -Dan Q
> 
> 
> On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 11:55:09 +0100, Narcis Garcia  
> wrote:
> 
>> "IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes"
>> I don't subscribe this sentence. Completely not.
>>
>>
>> El 04/12/16 a les 22:29, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
>>> IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes. That's why I was a 
>>> little bummed to not see a Windows release of v45, when I have to use 
>>> Windows I'd like a little freedom and privacy even if it isn't much.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> -Dan Q
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 21:19:32 +0100, mdn  wrote:
>>>
 If I am not mistaken,Normally if windows has only one browser he
 launches the said browser.

 Uninstall any other browser (IE included) to uninstall IE go in the
 uninstall software section (in the control panel) there is a "add/remove
 windows components" button (up left) from where you can remove internet
 explorer (has well has others functions)


 Be careful and see to migrate one day to a gnu distribution.
 Good luck

 Le 04/12/2016 02:05, Petr Vláčil a écrit :
> Hello,
>
> I started using this browser as a main on Windows 7 PRO x64bit, but I 
> can't click on set it as a default browser. Is there any chance to set 
> IceCat as a default browser?
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Btw. I found this 
> http://www.glump.net/howto/desktop/set-gnu-icecat-as-default-browser-in-windows-8-x
>  , but I don't know, whether is this functional on Windows 7 PRO x64bit.
>
> --
> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
>
 --
 http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
>>>
>>
>> --
>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> 
> 

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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?

[Daniel Quintiliani]

You think that people who, through no fault of their own, can only afford cheap 
laptops, or are stuck with Secure Boot and TPM because they lack technical 
expertise to build a computer, should be forced to use unfree browsers like 
Edge and Chrome, or the privacy settings of Firefox? I have two computers, one 
Win10 and one Xubuntu, both of which I built myself. I need the Windows 
computer for a few unfree things, mainly as a substitute for a television for 
my bedroom, and when I'm stuck with this pretty DRM machine for whatever 
reason, I'd rather use a GNU project browser than DRM and privacy risks like 
Edge, Chrome, and Firefox. Wouldn't you?

--

-Dan Q


On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 11:55:09 +0100, Narcis Garcia  wrote:

> "IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes"
> I don't subscribe this sentence. Completely not.
> 
> 
> El 04/12/16 a les 22:29, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit:
> > IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes. That's why I was a 
> > little bummed to not see a Windows release of v45, when I have to use 
> > Windows I'd like a little freedom and privacy even if it isn't much.
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > -Dan Q
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 21:19:32 +0100, mdn  wrote:
> > 
> >> If I am not mistaken,Normally if windows has only one browser he
> >> launches the said browser.
> >>
> >> Uninstall any other browser (IE included) to uninstall IE go in the
> >> uninstall software section (in the control panel) there is a "add/remove
> >> windows components" button (up left) from where you can remove internet
> >> explorer (has well has others functions)
> >>
> >>
> >> Be careful and see to migrate one day to a gnu distribution.
> >> Good luck
> >>
> >> Le 04/12/2016 02:05, Petr Vláčil a écrit :
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>> I started using this browser as a main on Windows 7 PRO x64bit, but I 
> >>> can't click on set it as a default browser. Is there any chance to set 
> >>> IceCat as a default browser?
> >>>
> >>> Thank you in advance.
> >>>
> >>> Btw. I found this 
> >>> http://www.glump.net/howto/desktop/set-gnu-icecat-as-default-browser-in-windows-8-x
> >>>  , but I don't know, whether is this functional on Windows 7 PRO x64bit.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >>>
> >> --
> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> > 
> 
> --
> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org



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