Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

Jonas Hahnfeld writes: > Am Donnerstag, dem 22.04.2021 um 16:39 -0400 schrieb Marnen Laibow- > Koser: >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 4:34 PM Karlin High >> wrote: >> > On 4/22/2021 2:24 PM, Jonas Hahnfeld via bug-lilypond wrote: >> > > No, my understanding of the problem is that you cannot

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

> On 22 Apr 2021, at 21:24, Jonas Hahnfeld via bug-lilypond > wrote: > > Am Donnerstag, dem 22.04.2021 um 18:03 + schrieb Carl Sorensen: >> >> This implies that the only reason we need Apple's SDK is for compiling the >> LilyPad editor. Is that true? >> >> Is it possible to create a

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

Am Donnerstag, dem 22.04.2021 um 16:39 -0400 schrieb Marnen Laibow- Koser: > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 4:34 PM Karlin High > wrote: > > On 4/22/2021 2:24 PM, Jonas Hahnfeld via bug-lilypond wrote: > > > No, my understanding of the problem is that you cannot *compile*  > > > for > > > macOS

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 4:34 PM Karlin High wrote: > On 4/22/2021 2:24 PM, Jonas Hahnfeld via bug-lilypond wrote: > > No, my understanding of the problem is that you cannot *compile* for > > macOS unless you are on Apple hardware, ie no cross-compilation which > > GUB is based on. > > Meaning,

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

On 4/22/2021 2:24 PM, Jonas Hahnfeld via bug-lilypond wrote: No, my understanding of the problem is that you cannot *compile* for macOS unless you are on Apple hardware, ie no cross-compilation which GUB is based on. Meaning, nothing whatsoever? Not even just "Hello World" with GCC? -- Karlin

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

> On 22 Apr 2021, at 20:03, Carl Sorensen wrote: > > Is it possible to create a Mac app bundle without the SDK? Probably not, but it is possible to make them using MacPorts, for example, there is an Emacs app, but it has links to the ordinary emacs inside the MacPorts tree; remove the

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 3:35 PM Jonas Hahnfeld wrote: > Am Donnerstag, dem 22.04.2021 um 15:33 -0400 schrieb Marnen Laibow- > Koser: > > > > [...] > > > > > I’m not sure what isn’t true there. > > The claim that "no one else was" doing this. Yes, agreed. I should have credited you more

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

Am Donnerstag, dem 22.04.2021 um 15:30 -0400 schrieb Marnen Laibow- Koser: > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 3:24 PM Jonas Hahnfeld > wrote: > [...{ > > Meanwhile, with the help of Erlend Aasland, the scripts also work > > on > > macOS (at least they did last summer) and you get a fully > >

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

Am Donnerstag, dem 22.04.2021 um 15:33 -0400 schrieb Marnen Laibow- Koser: > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 3:30 PM Jonas Hahnfeld > wrote: > > Am Donnerstag, dem 22.04.2021 um 14:59 -0400 schrieb Marnen Laibow- > > Koser: > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 2:54 PM Carl Sorensen > > > wrote: > > > >

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

Jonas Hahnfeld via bug-lilypond writes: > No, my understanding of the problem is that you cannot *compile* for > macOS unless you are on Apple hardware, ie no cross-compilation which > GUB is based on. This changed at some point in the past (many years > ago) and the software from before remains

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 3:30 PM Jonas Hahnfeld wrote: > Am Donnerstag, dem 22.04.2021 um 14:59 -0400 schrieb Marnen Laibow- > Koser: > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 2:54 PM Carl Sorensen > wrote: > > > > > The problem is that there is not an .app bundle for 2.22.0. The > latest is > > > 2.20.0.

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

From: Marnen Laibow-Koser Date: Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 1:26 PM To: Carl Sorensen Cc: Bart Kummel , David Kastrup , Karlin High , Kenneth Wolcott , "bug-lilypond@gnu.org" Subject: Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version [..] Do you have any suggestions about how I c

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

Jonas Hahnfeld writes: > Am Donnerstag, dem 22.04.2021 um 18:03 + schrieb Carl Sorensen: >> >> On 4/22/21, 9:49 AM, "Bart Kummel" wrote: >> >> I think you should re-consider this comment: "The other option is >> ditching >> LilyPad and doing a Darwin-only version of LilyPond,

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

Am Donnerstag, dem 22.04.2021 um 14:59 -0400 schrieb Marnen Laibow- Koser: > On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 2:54 PM Carl Sorensen wrote: > > > The problem is that there is not an .app bundle for 2.22.0. The latest is > > 2.20.0. It would be nice to have .app bundles available for every > > release.

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 3:24 PM Jonas Hahnfeld wrote: [...{ > Meanwhile, with the help of Erlend Aasland, the scripts also work on > macOS (at least they did last summer) and you get a fully relocatable > .tar.gz archive that you can unpack and run wherever you want. I don’t think I knew that

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 3:15 PM Carl Sorensen wrote: > > > > > *From: *Marnen Laibow-Koser > [...] > Please help out with the Mac build scripts, then! Until the LilyPond > maintainers choose to take them, they’re in a separate project at > > https://gitlab.com/marnen/lilypond-mac-builder .

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

Am Donnerstag, dem 22.04.2021 um 18:03 + schrieb Carl Sorensen: > > On 4/22/21, 9:49 AM, "Bart Kummel" wrote: > > I think you should re-consider this comment: "The other option is ditching > LilyPad and doing a Darwin-only version of LilyPond, assuming that we can > do this

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

From: Marnen Laibow-Koser Date: Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 12:59 PM To: Carl Sorensen Cc: Bart Kummel , David Kastrup , Karlin High , Kenneth Wolcott , "bug-lilypond@gnu.org" Subject: Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 2:54 PM Car

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 3:00 PM Karlin High wrote: > On 4/22/2021 1:43 PM, Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote: > > We are currently complying with that requirement by doing Mac > > builds on a Mac hosted at MacStadium (and whose credentials I should > share > > with*someone* besides myself; who in the

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 3:17 PM David Kastrup wrote: > Carl Sorensen writes: > > > On 4/22/21, 9:49 AM, "Bart Kummel" wrote: > > > > I think you should re-consider this comment: "The other option is > ditching > > LilyPad and doing a Darwin-only version of LilyPond, assuming that > we

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

Carl Sorensen writes: > On 4/22/21, 9:49 AM, "Bart Kummel" wrote: > > I think you should re-consider this comment: "The other option is ditching > LilyPad and doing a Darwin-only version of LilyPond, assuming that we can > do this with suitably free components.", by David Kastrup.

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

On 4/22/2021 1:43 PM, Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote: We are currently complying with that requirement by doing Mac builds on a Mac hosted at MacStadium (and whose credentials I should share with*someone* besides myself; who in the project would be a good candidate for that?). For an additional

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 2:54 PM Carl Sorensen wrote: > The problem is that there is not an .app bundle for 2.22.0. The latest is > 2.20.0. It would be nice to have .app bundles available for every > release. And I don’t know how to make that happen. That’s why I’m asking > questions. >

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

From: Marnen Laibow-Koser Date: Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 12:48 PM To: Bart Kummel Cc: Karlin High , Carl Sorensen , Kenneth Wolcott , David Kastrup , "bug-lilypond@gnu.org" Subject: Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 2:24 PM Bart Kummel

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 2:24 PM Bart Kummel wrote: > Jean, > > The first thing I do is checking the website, in this case lilypond.org. > There is a section about reporting a bug. It says to check the bug list and > if your bug isn't there, report it. That's what I did. It didn't say > "search

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 2:03 PM Carl Sorensen wrote: [...] > > > If it were possible to have a MacOs .app bundle that could be created on > non-Apple hardware, even if all the app did was open the .ly file in > TextEdit, I'd be all over that. And I think I have some time this summer > to try to

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

Jean, The first thing I do is checking the website, in this case lilypond.org. There is a section about reporting a bug. It says to check the bug list and if your bug isn't there, report it. That's what I did. It didn't say "search through years of mail archives". And, let's be honest, it is HARD

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

On 4/22/2021 1:03 PM, Carl Sorensen wrote: Is it possible to create a Mac app bundle without the SDK? I've wondered, too. If it was known exactly what resources GUB uses from the SDK tarball, there might be a way to find out if those are available independently of the SDK, at...

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

On 4/22/21, 9:49 AM, "Bart Kummel" wrote: I think you should re-consider this comment: "The other option is ditching LilyPad and doing a Darwin-only version of LilyPond, assuming that we can do this with suitably free components.", by David Kastrup. I don't think many people

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

Le 22/04/2021 à 18:55, Bart Kummel a écrit : Hi Jean, The thing is: how should I know that this is discussed before? There isn’t even a “won’t fix” item in the bug list... Maybe you are accustomed to different project practices than what we do in LilyPond. This has primarily been discussed

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

On 4/22/2021 11:55 AM, Bart Kummel wrote: The thing is: how should I know that this is discussed before? There isn’t even a “won’t fix” item in the bug list... Hmm, maybe the "Download" web page could say something? "Apple Software License Agreements do not

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

Hi Jean, The thing is: how should I know that this is discussed before? There isn’t even a “won’t fix” item in the bug list... ___ bug-lilypond mailing list bug-lilypond@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

> On 22 Apr 2021, at 18:13, Bart Kummel wrote: > > The thing is, I don't have unlimited time. Lilypond is a tool I use > sometimes. I cannot contribute to all tools I use sometimes, unfortunately. > Even while I am actually a programmer... Great, then you can make your own installer from

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

Le 22/04/2021 à 18:13, Bart Kummel a écrit : The thing is, I don't have unlimited time. Lilypond is a tool I use sometimes. I cannot contribute to all tools I use sometimes, unfortunately. Even while I am actually a programmer... That's fine, we all have limited time. Please just understand

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

The thing is, I don't have unlimited time. Lilypond is a tool I use sometimes. I cannot contribute to all tools I use sometimes, unfortunately. Even while I am actually a programmer... ___ bug-lilypond mailing list bug-lilypond@gnu.org

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

Bart Kummel writes: > I think you should re-consider this comment: "The other option is > ditching LilyPad and doing a Darwin-only version of LilyPond, assuming > that we can do this with suitably free components.", by David > Kastrup. I don't think many people are using the limited editor >

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

You could offer Marnen to financially sponsor his unofficial porting work so that he does not end up shortchanged for providing the Apple installers created on his Apple hardware. I don't believe in unofficial builds. They get abandoned sooner or later. If there would be a crowdfunding by the

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

You could offer Marnen to financially sponsor his unofficial porting work so that he does not end up shortchanged for providing the Apple installers created on his Apple hardware. I don't believe in unofficial builds. They get abandoned sooner or later. If there would be a crowdfunding by the

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

of better tools available (Frescobaldi). I'd rather have a native LilyPond without the *Pad, than having to compile it myself or rely on a Docker solution. -- Forwarded message - *Bart Kummel started the conversation* "64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version" *with

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

Hi, For Homebrew users, I have a Homebrew tap for building and installing LilyPond from source (apologies for self-promotion): https://github.com/nwhetsell/homebrew-lilypond This is tested on macOS 10.15 Catalina and 11 Big Sur (Intel-only). Best wishes, Nate

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

Bart Kummel writes: > The discussion at https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/114179 > states that the needed Apple tooling may only be run on Apple > hardware. That seems like a problem that can be overcome. You just need to buy every single LilyPond developer a Mac and guarantee that you

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

Use MacPorts to build it. It works very nice. HIH, Ken On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 4:21 AM Bart Kummel wrote: > > Hi, > > Apple switched off support for old 32 bit applications years ago. I'm > surprised that there still isn't a 64bit Mac version of Lilypond. In the > meantime, Apple has released

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

The discussion at https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/114179 states that the needed Apple tooling may only be run on Apple hardware. That seems like a problem that can be overcome. I already found https://gitlab.com/marnen/lilypond-mac-builder before posting my question. It is not

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

Bart On 22/04/2021 15:52, Bart Kummel wrote: I have a lot of very bad experiences compiling my own binaries for projects I'm not involved in. It generally is not as straightforward as people say it is. Especially when a lot of tools and libraries are involved that you don't know anything about.

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

On 4/22/2021 9:52 AM, Bart Kummel wrote: I can't believe there isn't a way to make this work. The LilyPond developer community has discussed this at length. Here is what the Apple Developer community had to say: Marnen Laibow-Koser is

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

I have a lot of very bad experiences compiling my own binaries for projects I'm not involved in. It generally is not as straightforward as people say it is. Especially when a lot of tools and libraries are involved that you don't know anything about. Apart from that: the only time when I

Re: 64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

Hi Bart, I believe that we are unfortunately unable to produce 64bit binaries for Apple without violating their licensing terms (someone else will know more, but I believe it's related to Xcode). For now, those who want a 64bit binary rely on macports to provide it. Is what's in macports out of

64 bit MacOS version + Apple Silicon version

Hi, Apple switched off support for old 32 bit applications years ago. I'm surprised that there still isn't a 64bit Mac version of Lilypond. In the meantime, Apple has released their own silicon (the M1 processor), so I guess you should also be working on a version that runs on that hardware. I