Re: [Callers] New contra dancers and similar figures

2013-07-02 Thread Christopher Buck
> This is likelier to happen if both partners are new, and likeliest to happen if all four in that set are new. But that couple that's new will have that problem repeatedly. When I see that I continue to prompt the figures, maybe with more emphasis - Ladies CHAIN and COURTESY TURN - and it

Re: [Callers] New contra dancers and similar figures

2013-07-02 Thread Aahz Maruch
[chiming in late] On Fri, Jun 21, 2013, Alan Winston wrote: > On 6/21/2013 3:03 PM, Kalia Kliban wrote: >> >>I run into this periodically as well, and haven't found a way to >>verbally interrupt whatever's going on in their heads. It may be >>that they're so overloaded that further verbal info

Re: [Callers] New contra dancers and similar figures (Greg McKenzie)

2013-06-24 Thread Alan Winston
Donna -- I totally agree that we need to rely on and empower experienced dancers to teach figures. What I'm talking about however is newcomers who seemed to have learned the figure in the walkthrough losing it after the dance starts and apparently unable to receive any input from caller or

Re: [Callers] New contra dancers and similar figures

2013-06-23 Thread Dale Wilson
I love Perry's response. When I teach a beginners' workshop I try to make the point very clear: If you end up in the right place facing the right direction, you did it fine. If you are confused just listen to the dancers around you. They will be gently and kindly pointing you in the right

Re: [Callers] New contra dancers and similar figures

2013-06-22 Thread Greg McKenzie
Alan, Thank you for this great question. Situations like this are all too common. I see this as a problem of integration. The core principle I use is to remember that: The caller always takes full responsibility for anything that happens in the hall. If first-timers are not integrated with

Re: [Callers] New contra dancers and similar figures

2013-06-22 Thread Paul Wilde
Jim, OMG what a great post. You have so hit the nail on the head and presented it so eloquently. I believe good dancers who are community oriented (rather than dance gypsy jaded, as Joelaine so brilliantly points out in her home page post on gmail) are going to be just fine w/ the caller

Re: [Callers] New contra dancers and similar figures

2013-06-21 Thread James Saxe
On Jun 21, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Kalia Kliban wrote: On 6/21/2013 4:08 PM, James Saxe wrote: As callers we can aim both to keep the amount of confusion low and to set a gracious tone towards whatever confusion may still arise. (Doing the opposite of both these things is unfortunately easy: Just

Re: [Callers] New contra dancers and similar figures

2013-06-21 Thread Kalia Kliban
On 6/21/2013 4:08 PM, James Saxe wrote: As callers we can aim both to keep the amount of confusion low and to set a gracious tone towards whatever confusion may still arise. (Doing the opposite of both these things is unfortunately easy: Just pick inappropriate dances, teach and call them

Re: [Callers] New contra dancers and similar figures

2013-06-21 Thread James Saxe
On Jun 21, 2013, at 12:52 PM, Alan Winston wrote: ..., a phenomenon I've noticed several times over the years is that some fraction of people who were in a beginner workshop and who in the walkthrough of the dance were able to do something like "women chain to partner, women allemande 1x,

Re: [Callers] New contra dancers and similar figures

2013-06-21 Thread Alan Winston
On 6/21/2013 3:03 PM, Kalia Kliban wrote: I run into this periodically as well, and haven't found a way to verbally interrupt whatever's going on in their heads. It may be that they're so overloaded that further verbal info just can't get in. I've had some success with going onto the floor and

Re: [Callers] New contra dancers and similar figures

2013-06-21 Thread Kalia Kliban
On 6/21/2013 1:44 PM, John Sweeney wrote: Alan said, "I continue to prompt the figures, maybe with more emphasis - Ladies CHAIN and COURTESY TURN - and it doesn't seem to make any difference." _ If they are having problems then I get them to practice the courtesy turn: "Ladies, stand beside

Re: [Callers] New contra dancers and similar figures

2013-06-21 Thread Kalia Kliban
On 6/21/2013 12:52 PM, Alan Winston wrote: My hypothesis is that these are people who are still drinking from the firehose. I _love_ this image. (The first time you come you hear everything important about contra dancing and probably get exposed to half or more of the common figures. It's a

Re: [Callers] New contra dancers and similar figures

2013-06-21 Thread Perry Shafran
My view is to just not sweat it.  I realize at the very start that many new dancers don't have the CPU to process too much stuff - especially if you are burdening them not only new dance moves but also terminology that they have never heard before as well.  If such moves are not breaking down