Re: [Callers] Hand Turns & Safety

2019-05-21 Thread Andrea Nettleton via Callers
Hi all, I think that particular video is a poor example of what forearm turns can be. I can’t deny the potential for sweat, but, confession, my hands sweat like crazy anyway, and I seem to collect plenty of other people’s sweat in swings and courtesy turns, as it is. I disagree about weight.

Re: [Callers] Hand Turns & Safety

2019-05-21 Thread John Sweeney via Callers
Hmm… I seem to have stirred up a hornet’s nest! It is great to see discussion on this important topic. There are two very different forearm holds. *** In front of the elbow ***: This is the MWSD version. Callerlab defines it as: “Forearm: The arms are held past the wrist but not past

Re: [Callers] Hand Turns & Safety

2019-05-21 Thread John Sweeney via Callers
The Cupped-Elbow Forearm Hold is NOT suitable for all moves! Waves are unquestionably much better with the standard contra Elbows-Down Palm-to-Palm hand holds. As are Swing Thrus. As Callerlab says, “All hands are joined in hands-up position, elbows in close. Exert slight pressure to

Re: [Callers] Hand Turns & Safety

2019-05-21 Thread Andrea Nettleton via Callers
I think thumb pressure, even finger “pressure” has to be avoided and it’s avoidance taught thoroughly no matter the hold. I once had nerve pain for weeks after a cupped elbow hold in which that nerve going into the front inside of the elbow was deeply squashed by a zealously gripping digit, I

Re: [Callers] Hand Turns & Safety

2019-05-21 Thread Folk Dance via Callers
I agree with John's concerns over gripping in the forearm hold, and the increased security of the elbow cup - provided dancers are reminded that thumbs do not belong in the soft, vulnerable inside of elbows! However, I think the full elbow cup grip gives up a certain freedom of disengagement and

Re: [Callers] Hand Turns & Safety

2019-05-21 Thread John Sweeney via Callers
Hi Andrea, Absolutely. All moves should be taught explicitly as not a grip. Amazing! There is always something new to learn. I have been dancing the cupped elbow hold for over 50 years, and taught it to literally thousands of dancers. I have never heard about

Re: [Callers] Callers Digest, Vol 61, Issue 9

2019-05-21 Thread Stephen via Callers
90520/0ece7f6a/attachment-0001.html> > > -- > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 20:33:51 -0400 > From: Rich Sbardella > To: Don Veino > Cc: "Caller's discussion list" > Subject: Re: [Callers] Hand Turns & Safety > Message-

Re: [Callers] Callers Digest, Vol 61, Issue 9

2019-05-21 Thread Andrea Nettleton via Callers
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