RE: [Fwd: Re: [caret-users] Macaque Neuroanatomy]

2007-03-23 Thread Hamied Haroon 
Hi Donna and James,

Thanks very much for your kind replies.

It can be quite annoying when you go to the source reference for the labeling 
acronym and still can't find what it actually stands for. I'm just glad I'm not 
the only one who finds this a big issue! Thanks for the warning about the human 
brain regions.

Best wishes,
 
Hamied


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Donna Dierker
Sent: 23 March 2007 19:52
To: caret-users
Cc: James Lewis
Subject: [Fwd: Re: [caret-users] Macaque Neuroanatomy]

Passing on Jim Lewis' reply about Hamied's query, which DVE and Rolf 
Kotter also covered.

 Original Message 
Subject:Re: [caret-users] Macaque Neuroanatomy
Date:   Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:49:10 -0400
From:   James Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Donna Dierker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
References: 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Donna (others),
   The brain area acronyms below are largely derived from non-English 
terminology, typically German, and thus I didn't include the full names in some 
of those cases.  However, my recollection is roughly:
IPa  = intraparietal, anterior
PA =  no idea
TAa - is some temporal cortex subdivision, anterior
TE, Tx = similarly are temporal subdivisions, but of unclear actual 
nomenclature.

My experience in finding/using such terminology was that if some study had 
cited a reasonable looking homologue to what I was observing in our monkey 
slice sections then I would use their nomenclature. If there were competing 
potential names then I went with that which seemed closest to what I was 
seeing. In the case of these latter names, I couldn't find any more recent 
refernces, and thus stook with their nomenclature even though they didn't 
explicitly state what their acronyms stood for--often times these were 
transcribed from German or the like. 
  The nomenclature issue was a BIG issue indeed, and will likely continue to 
"evolve" as newer and better methods of segregating brain regions develop.  The 
problem only gets worse when dealing with human brain areas/regions.

hope this helps.

jim


James W. Lewis, PhD.
Dept. Physiology and Pharmacology
West Virginia University
PO Box 9229
Morgantown, WV 26506-9229

Phone: (304) 293-1517
Fax: (304) 293-3850
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.hsc.wvu.edu/wvucn/people/Lewis


>>> Donna Dierker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3/22/2007 1:54 PM >>>
Hi Jim,

Thought you might know the answer to this user's query; I don't, and DVE 
is out of the office.

Donna

On 03/22/2007 12:27 PM, Hamied Haroon wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I’m not a neuroanatomist, but I want to find the neuroanatomical names 
> for the temporal areas in the F99UA1 macaque parcellated according to 
> C:\Caret5\CARET_TUTORIAL_SEPT06\MACAQUE\Macaque.F99UA1.BOTH.LewisVE00+orig
>
> Most of the abbreviations given in the associated paint colour key are 
> listed explicitly in the “LVE00” reference paper (Lewis JW and Van 
> Essen DC, /J Comp Neurol/, *428*:112-37, 2000). Unfortunately the 
> following abbreviations don’t appear to be given in full in this 
> reference paper or in the other references cited (Seltzer B and Pandya 
> DN, /Brain Res/, *149*:1-24, 1978, and Cusick CG et al., /J Comp 
> Neurol/, *360*:513-35, 1995):
>
> IPa
>
> PA
>
> TAa
>
> TE
>
> Ts
>
> I would be very grateful if anyone could please let me know what these 
> abbreviations are in full.
>
> Many thanks in anticipation.
>
> Hamied
>
> 
>
> Hamied Ahmad Haroon PhD AMInstP
>
> Research Associate in MR Neuroimaging
>
> Division of Imaging Science and Biomedical Engineering
>
> Faculty of Medical and Human Sciences
>
> The University of Manchester
>
> Room G.603 Stopford Building, Oxford Road,
>
> Manchester M13 9PT
>
> England, United Kingdom
>
> Tel: +44 (0)161 275 6871 Fax: +44 (0)161 275 5145
>
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Web: www.isbe.man.ac.uk/~hharoon <http://www.isbe.man.ac.uk/%7Ehharoon>
>
> 
>
> 
>
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[Fwd: Re: [caret-users] Macaque Neuroanatomy]

2007-03-23 Thread Donna Dierker 
Passing on Jim Lewis' reply about Hamied's query, which DVE and Rolf 
Kotter also covered.


 Original Message 
Subject:Re: [caret-users] Macaque Neuroanatomy
Date:   Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:49:10 -0400
From:   James Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Donna Dierker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
References: 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>




Donna (others),
  The brain area acronyms below are largely derived from non-English 
terminology, typically German, and thus I didn't include the full names in some 
of those cases.  However, my recollection is roughly:
IPa  = intraparietal, anterior
PA =  no idea
TAa - is some temporal cortex subdivision, anterior
TE, Tx = similarly are temporal subdivisions, but of unclear actual 
nomenclature.

My experience in finding/using such terminology was that if some study had cited a reasonable looking homologue to what I was observing in our monkey slice sections then I would use their nomenclature. If there were competing potential names then I went with that which seemed closest to what I was seeing. In the case of these latter names, I couldn't find any more recent refernces, and thus stook with their nomenclature even though they didn't explicitly state what their acronyms stood for--often times these were transcribed from German or the like. 
 The nomenclature issue was a BIG issue indeed, and will likely continue to "evolve" as newer and better methods of segregating brain regions develop.  The problem only gets worse when dealing with human brain areas/regions.


hope this helps.

jim


James W. Lewis, PhD.
Dept. Physiology and Pharmacology
West Virginia University
PO Box 9229
Morgantown, WV 26506-9229

Phone: (304) 293-1517
Fax: (304) 293-3850
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.hsc.wvu.edu/wvucn/people/Lewis



Donna Dierker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3/22/2007 1:54 PM >>>

Hi Jim,

Thought you might know the answer to this user's query; I don't, and DVE 
is out of the office.


Donna

On 03/22/2007 12:27 PM, Hamied Haroon wrote:


Hello,

I’m not a neuroanatomist, but I want to find the neuroanatomical names 
for the temporal areas in the F99UA1 macaque parcellated according to 
C:\Caret5\CARET_TUTORIAL_SEPT06\MACAQUE\Macaque.F99UA1.BOTH.LewisVE00+orig


Most of the abbreviations given in the associated paint colour key are 
listed explicitly in the “LVE00” reference paper (Lewis JW and Van 
Essen DC, /J Comp Neurol/, *428*:112-37, 2000). Unfortunately the 
following abbreviations don’t appear to be given in full in this 
reference paper or in the other references cited (Seltzer B and Pandya 
DN, /Brain Res/, *149*:1-24, 1978, and Cusick CG et al., /J Comp 
Neurol/, *360*:513-35, 1995):


IPa

PA

TAa

TE

Ts

I would be very grateful if anyone could please let me know what these 
abbreviations are in full.


Many thanks in anticipation.

Hamied



Hamied Ahmad Haroon PhD AMInstP

Research Associate in MR Neuroimaging

Division of Imaging Science and Biomedical Engineering

Faculty of Medical and Human Sciences

The University of Manchester

Room G.603 Stopford Building, Oxford Road,

Manchester M13 9PT

England, United Kingdom

Tel: +44 (0)161 275 6871 Fax: +44 (0)161 275 5145

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 



Web: www.isbe.man.ac.uk/~hharoon 





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(Formerly Donna Hanlon; no change in marital status -- see 
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