RE: [cayugabirds-l] Question about dates in 2nd edition Breeding Bird Atlas

[Kevin J. McGowan]

The data are from individual reports, not complete observations through nest 
cycles. I am sure it is not a misprint. Those data had lots of cases like this. 
I would interpret the fledging data to indicate that eggs were laid earlier 
than the earliest known so far.

Kevin McGowan

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Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2024 2:15 PM
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Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Question about dates in 2nd edition Breeding Bird Atlas

Hi all. In the 2nd editon of the breeding bird Atlas it lists these days for 
screech owls
1st egg. 3/23
1st nestling 4/9
1st fledgling 3/25
If the date for the first fledgling is not a misprint, how am I to interpret 
the date being so near the first egg sighting?
Thank you.
Pete Saracino/NY State Master Naturalist Volunteer
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question on local sunflower seed

[madonna stallmann]

I just found the information about local sunflower seeds. Here's the
important info from that email:

His name is Jon Snow and is 3 generation of the SnoFarm in Brooktondale
(town of Caroline) 644 Buffalo Rd.

He is offering 40 lbs. bag of black oil for $25.00 each, locally grown and
harvested.

He accepts cash and check, sorry no Venmo.

The best time for pick up are evenings and weekends.

His phone number is 607-351-8693 give him a call to order and arrange a
pick up time.


 Madonna

On Fri, Dec 15, 2023, 3:23 PM madonna stallmann <
madonnaoftheprai...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You can get quality local sunflower seeds directly from the farmers on
> Buffalo Rd., Caroline. Snow family farm. Someone in this group posted the
> contact info about a month ago. I no longer have their contact info. Does
> anyone in this group have that number?
>
>  Madonna
>
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2023, 12:12 PM Barbara B. Eden  wrote:
>
>> All.
>>
>> I need to purchase a 50 lb bag of sunflower seed.  Since the one I just
>>  finished I have had for a long time (my  temporary victory on the squirrel
>> wars) I decided to call Agway and was disappointed to hear  that they do
>> not stock Turek and it’s  now  a not local brand  and its $34.99 for a 50
>> lb bag. I also called Tractor Supply and they have a 40 lb bag  for $19.99.
>> Any advice as to the quality of the sunflower seeds from Tractor Supply or
>> this current vendor at Agway. The price difference is dramatic so I am
>> tempted to switch to Tractor Supply.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any advice!
>>
>> Barbara Eden
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question on local sunflower seed

[madonna stallmann]

You can get quality local sunflower seeds directly from the farmers on
Buffalo Rd., Caroline. Snow family farm. Someone in this group posted the
contact info about a month ago. I no longer have their contact info. Does
anyone in this group have that number?

 Madonna

On Fri, Dec 15, 2023, 12:12 PM Barbara B. Eden  wrote:

> All.
>
> I need to purchase a 50 lb bag of sunflower seed.  Since the one I just
>  finished I have had for a long time (my  temporary victory on the squirrel
> wars) I decided to call Agway and was disappointed to hear  that they do
> not stock Turek and it’s  now  a not local brand  and its $34.99 for a 50
> lb bag. I also called Tractor Supply and they have a 40 lb bag  for $19.99.
> Any advice as to the quality of the sunflower seeds from Tractor Supply or
> this current vendor at Agway. The price difference is dramatic so I am
> tempted to switch to Tractor Supply.
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice!
>
> Barbara Eden
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RE: [cayugabirds-l] Question on local sunflower seed

[Barbara B. Eden]

I called Agway at Triphammer if that clarifies things
Thanks!

From: Barbara Chase 
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2023 12:18 PM
To: Barbara B. Eden 
Cc: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question on local sunflower seed

I thought I saw 50 lb bags of local sunflower seed at Ithaca Agway yesterday 
when I was there for something else.
They did not have local sunflower seed a couple weeks ago so I bought some of 
the non- local seed. Wish I had waited a couple of weeks.

Barbara


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All.
I need to purchase a 50 lb bag of sunflower seed.  Since the one I just  
finished I have had for a long time (my  temporary victory on the squirrel 
wars) I decided to call Agway and was disappointed to hear  that they do not 
stock Turek and it’s  now  a not local brand  and its $34.99 for a 50 lb bag. I 
also called Tractor Supply and they have a 40 lb bag  for $19.99. Any advice as 
to the quality of the sunflower seeds from Tractor Supply or this current 
vendor at Agway. The price difference is dramatic so I am tempted to switch to 
Tractor Supply.
Thanks in advance for any advice!
Barbara Eden


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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question on local sunflower seed

[Barbara Chase]

I thought I saw 50 lb bags of local sunflower seed at Ithaca Agway yesterday 
when I was there for something else.
They did not have local sunflower seed a couple weeks ago so I bought some of 
the non- local seed. Wish I had waited a couple of weeks.

Barbara

> On Dec 15, 2023, at 12:11 PM, Barbara B. Eden  wrote:
> 
> All.
> I need to purchase a 50 lb bag of sunflower seed.  Since the one I just  
> finished I have had for a long time (my  temporary victory on the squirrel 
> wars) I decided to call Agway and was disappointed to hear  that they do not 
> stock Turek and it’s  now  a not local brand  and its $34.99 for a 50 lb bag. 
> I also called Tractor Supply and they have a 40 lb bag  for $19.99. Any 
> advice as to the quality of the sunflower seeds from Tractor Supply or this 
> current vendor at Agway. The price difference is dramatic so I am tempted to 
> switch to Tractor Supply.
> Thanks in advance for any advice!
> Barbara Eden
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[cayugabirds-l] Question on local sunflower seed

[Barbara B. Eden]

All.
I need to purchase a 50 lb bag of sunflower seed.  Since the one I just  
finished I have had for a long time (my  temporary victory on the squirrel 
wars) I decided to call Agway and was disappointed to hear  that they do not 
stock Turek and it's  now  a not local brand  and its $34.99 for a 50 lb bag. I 
also called Tractor Supply and they have a 40 lb bag  for $19.99. Any advice as 
to the quality of the sunflower seeds from Tractor Supply or this current 
vendor at Agway. The price difference is dramatic so I am tempted to switch to 
Tractor Supply.
Thanks in advance for any advice!
Barbara Eden



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[cayugabirds-l] Question

[Whitings]

Hi All, 
 A friend of mine opened their car to find a loose ‘nest’ of what looks like 
dried grass or fine little sticks. In the middle was a dead goldfinch. Any 
ideas about a story here? I was wondering if a chipmunk would drag a bird 
there. It seems unlikely place for a goldfinch to nest. The material was in a 
large area, but they had been driving the car on a regular basis.

Diana

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question about Merlin behavior (the falcon, not the app)

[John Gregoire]

During my banding years at Cape May, we loved Merlin time. The birds love
to have fun and play with any creature available. What you describe is
often seen. Our frustration was with the ones that seemed to know our
catch tactics and would tease to the point of getting caught and then slip
away with a howdy-har-har type vocalization, Finally developed a
technique that fooled some but overall feeling they enjoyed playing with us.
Perhaps John Confer who has been studying them these last few years can
speak to territorial defense. My birds were all migrants.
John

On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 11:54 AM  wrote:

> On Saturday in the early evening, at the gate of the Grassroots festival
> as crowds of people were streaming in, a Merlin started calling
> continuously for many seconds - 10? 15?  It came into view from the west
> and was chasing a crow and diving at it.  They were maybe 30' above the
> tree tops and I had no binoculars but they were easy to see, passing
> directly overhead.  The crow was twisting and dodging, flying evasively
> - one of the crow's tail feathers came loose & floated away so
> presumably the merlin was grabbing at it.  I don't remember hearing the
> crow vocalize but the merlin never stopped.  They passed over Smith
> Woods and then the merlin turned off to the north.  My impression was
> extreme aggression by the merlin and retreat by the crow but I only saw
> them for maybe 5 seconds, it was pretty quick.
>
> Anyone know if this is territorial defense or something else?  Does the
> merlin defend territory after its young have fledged?  Is it some form
> of very rough inter-species play?  I found this report in Bent:
>
> > ... Mr. Brewster (1925) witnessed the following peculiar behavior of a
> > pigeon hawk:
> >
> > He was either playing or fighting with a Crow, the former I thought,
> > for although the behavior of both birds was rough and aggressive, it
> > seemed to represent mutual participation in a sportive game curiously
> > regulated and much enjoyed. Thus the successive lungings and chasings
> > were not either one-sided or haphazard, but so conducted that each
> > bird alternately took the part of pursuer and pursued, and when
> > enacting the latter role gave way at once, or after the merest
> > pretense of restance, to flee as if for its life, dodging and
> > twisting; yet it was prompt enough to rejoin the other bird at the end
> > of such a bout, when the two would rest awhile on the same stub,
> > perching only a few feet apart and facing one another, perhaps not
> > without some mutual distrust. During these aerial evolutions the Hawk
> > screamed and the Crow uttered a rolling croak, almost incessantly.
> > They separated and flew off in different directions when my presence
> > was finally discovered.
> >
> Has anyone else witnessed 'play' like this?  Alternatively do merlins
> continue to attack crows after their young fledge?
>
> Alicia
>
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question about Merlin behavior (the falcon, not the app)

[Tim Gallagher]

Merlins are very aggressive if they have young and feel like they might be in 
danger—and there is a nest with already fledged young in Trumansburg. But 
actually, Merlins can be pretty aggressive anyway, with or without a nest. I've 
seen Merlins at migration hotpots like Hawk Mountain and Cape May come 
streaking across the sky, diving at every raptor in sight. They're one of my 
favorite birds.

Tim

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Sent: Monday, July 24, 2023 11:54 AM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Question about Merlin behavior (the falcon, not the 
app)

On Saturday in the early evening, at the gate of the Grassroots festival
as crowds of people were streaming in, a Merlin started calling
continuously for many seconds - 10? 15?  It came into view from the west
and was chasing a crow and diving at it.  They were maybe 30' above the
tree tops and I had no binoculars but they were easy to see, passing
directly overhead.  The crow was twisting and dodging, flying evasively
- one of the crow's tail feathers came loose & floated away so
presumably the merlin was grabbing at it.  I don't remember hearing the
crow vocalize but the merlin never stopped.  They passed over Smith
Woods and then the merlin turned off to the north.  My impression was
extreme aggression by the merlin and retreat by the crow but I only saw
them for maybe 5 seconds, it was pretty quick.

Anyone know if this is territorial defense or something else?  Does the
merlin defend territory after its young have fledged?  Is it some form
of very rough inter-species play?  I found this report in Bent:

> ... Mr. Brewster (1925) witnessed the following peculiar behavior of a
> pigeon hawk:
>
> He was either playing or fighting with a Crow, the former I thought,
> for although the behavior of both birds was rough and aggressive, it
> seemed to represent mutual participation in a sportive game curiously
> regulated and much enjoyed. Thus the successive lungings and chasings
> were not either one-sided or haphazard, but so conducted that each
> bird alternately took the part of pursuer and pursued, and when
> enacting the latter role gave way at once, or after the merest
> pretense of restance, to flee as if for its life, dodging and
> twisting; yet it was prompt enough to rejoin the other bird at the end
> of such a bout, when the two would rest awhile on the same stub,
> perching only a few feet apart and facing one another, perhaps not
> without some mutual distrust. During these aerial evolutions the Hawk
> screamed and the Crow uttered a rolling croak, almost incessantly.
> They separated and flew off in different directions when my presence
> was finally discovered.
>
Has anyone else witnessed 'play' like this?  Alternatively do merlins
continue to attack crows after their young fledge?

Alicia



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[cayugabirds-l] Question about Merlin behavior (the falcon, not the app)

[tess]

On Saturday in the early evening, at the gate of the Grassroots festival 
as crowds of people were streaming in, a Merlin started calling 
continuously for many seconds - 10? 15?  It came into view from the west 
and was chasing a crow and diving at it.  They were maybe 30' above the 
tree tops and I had no binoculars but they were easy to see, passing 
directly overhead.  The crow was twisting and dodging, flying evasively 
- one of the crow's tail feathers came loose & floated away so 
presumably the merlin was grabbing at it.  I don't remember hearing the 
crow vocalize but the merlin never stopped.  They passed over Smith 
Woods and then the merlin turned off to the north.  My impression was 
extreme aggression by the merlin and retreat by the crow but I only saw 
them for maybe 5 seconds, it was pretty quick.


Anyone know if this is territorial defense or something else?  Does the 
merlin defend territory after its young have fledged?  Is it some form 
of very rough inter-species play?  I found this report in Bent:


... Mr. Brewster (1925) witnessed the following peculiar behavior of a 
pigeon hawk:


He was either playing or fighting with a Crow, the former I thought, 
for although the behavior of both birds was rough and aggressive, it 
seemed to represent mutual participation in a sportive game curiously 
regulated and much enjoyed. Thus the successive lungings and chasings 
were not either one-sided or haphazard, but so conducted that each 
bird alternately took the part of pursuer and pursued, and when 
enacting the latter role gave way at once, or after the merest 
pretense of restance, to flee as if for its life, dodging and 
twisting; yet it was prompt enough to rejoin the other bird at the end 
of such a bout, when the two would rest awhile on the same stub, 
perching only a few feet apart and facing one another, perhaps not 
without some mutual distrust. During these aerial evolutions the Hawk 
screamed and the Crow uttered a rolling croak, almost incessantly. 
They separated and flew off in different directions when my presence 
was finally discovered.


Has anyone else witnessed 'play' like this?  Alternatively do merlins 
continue to attack crows after their young fledge?


Alicia



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[cayugabirds-l] Question

[Carol Keeler]

I just saw something unusual from one of my House Sparrows and wondered if 
someone could give me some insight on it.  The female sparrow came and broke 
off a big piece of catmint and stuffed it in her nesting box. Why would she do 
that?  Would it deter bugs?  I’ve never seen that behavior before. 

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question about air quality and birds

[sarah fern]

The city performed its useless "street cleaning" on my street at 6 am
today. The air has been noticeably worse since then. I'm having trouble
breathing in the house with my expensive air purifier working very hard.

On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 10:16 AM Mary Cronk  wrote:

> It is a disaster. You can read more by reading cbc news or other canadian
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> none of the wildlife can get away from it. i am sure they are suffering
> (though i am no expert).
>
> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 12:25 PM Regi Teasley  wrote:
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question about air quality and birds

[Patrick L. McDonough]

This article covers some of the topic…
Hope this helps…
https://www.audubon.org/news/how-wildfires-affect-birds
Pat

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Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 1:16:21 PM
To: Poppy Singer ; Regi Teasley 

Cc: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
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It is a disaster. You can read more by reading cbc news or other canadian news

Mostly they are evacuating and letting it burn


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none of the wildlife can get away from it. i am sure they are suffering (though 
i am no expert).

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Does anyone know how this very bad air quality affects birds?

Regi


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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question about air quality and birds

[Mary Cronk]

It is a disaster. You can read more by reading cbc news or other canadian news

Mostly they are evacuating and letting it burn


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none of the wildlife can get away from it. i am sure they are suffering (though 
i am no expert).

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[Poppy Singer]

none of the wildlife can get away from it. i am sure they are suffering
(though i am no expert).

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question about air quality and birds

[Linda Orkin]

One can only imagine. Animal recommendations specify keep birds indoors. Birds 
are basically an enclosed air sac. It’s just awful.   These small particles 
that can easily be carried into our bloodstream must be totally dispersed 
throughout a bird’s cardiovascular system, organs etc. And what about insects?  

Linda Orkin

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question on waterfowl on Seneca Lake vs. Cayuga Lake

[John Gregoire]

Barbara, Seneca is deeper and the headwaters in the south at Watkins s
deepen dramatically within a hundred yards of the shore. The water at the
Geneva north end is shallower and more hospitable to waterfowl as it
provides better food possibilities.  While Seneca does get the occasional
gem and the warm waters near the crypto mining facilities power plant
create better conditions for waterfowl, Cayuga's relatively shallow waters
and ease of birding access make it a more popular birding venue.

On Mon, Feb 20, 2023 at 5:38 PM Barbara B. Eden  wrote:

> Today we went to Seneca Lake to Lodi State Park and down to Watkins. There
> were very few birds  on the water (only a small flock of ring billed gulls)
>
> Cayuga Lake usually has a wide variety of water fowl. Does anyone have any
> theories about this?  Is it because the shelf is shallower on Cayuga Lake
> so it’s easier for the birds to find food.
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[cayugabirds-l] Question on waterfowl on Seneca Lake vs. Cayuga Lake

[Barbara B. Eden]

Today we went to Seneca Lake to Lodi State Park and down to Watkins. There were 
very few birds  on the water (only a small flock of ring billed gulls)
Cayuga Lake usually has a wide variety of water fowl. Does anyone have any 
theories about this?  Is it because the shelf is shallower on Cayuga Lake so 
it's easier for the birds to find food.
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RE: [cayugabirds-l] question about feeder crowds

[Deb Grantham]

I think my neighbors would be paralyzed by bear visitors!!!

Deb


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Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2021 6:04 PM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] question about feeder crowds

I have a bog metal hopper-type feeder with spring-loaded perching bars, and the 
spring tension is adjustable. At any particular setting, birds over a certain 
weight will depress the bars, which closes off the seed ports. During Blue Jay 
migration, for example, the spring loading can be adjusted so the heavy Blue 
Jays are denied access. But really, where’s the fun in that? Unless it’s in 
watching their clever attempts to circumvent the exclusion mechanism! In the 
end, I’ve just opted to leave the spring tension on high, and the only critters 
who actually depress the bars are the bears, who are not deterred in the least, 
but simply push over the feeder pole, bust open the hopper and devour the 
entire load of sunflower seed!

Hmm... April 21st, nearly time for the bears to show up...
-Geo




On Apr 21, 2021, at 4:23 PM, Anne Marie Johnson 
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 You can find a few more tips for deterring large flocks of birds on this page 
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website<https://feederwatch.org/learn/feeding-birds/#deterring-unwelcome-birds>.

Anne Marie Johnson
Caroline
On 4/21/2021 2:15 PM, Donna Lee Scott wrote:
I too have many RW Blackbirds, Brown-headed Cowbirds, and 6-8 Grackles and I am 
going thru a lot of expensive bird food.
I put out food in early morning, one time a day.

The only thing I can think to do is to stop feeding the birds altogether for a 
while, so that the hoards go somewhere else and then start feeding the “dainty” 
birds again.

Donna L. Scott
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RE: [cayugabirds-l] question about feeder crowds

[Deb Grantham]

Very clever! I want one!

Deb


From: Holly Noble 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2021 6:08 PM
To: Deb Grantham 
Cc: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] question about feeder crowds

A weight sensitive feeder closes access to the seed openings when a certain 
amount of weight is on the perch. You can calibrate to exclude birds such as 
starlings, red-winged blackbirds, grackles, etc.
I did see a few clever starlings who learned if they continued to flap their 
wings while only partially applying their weight to the perch, they could poke 
their beak into the much narrowed slot to get a seed. However, it required 
effort and energy. Not many persisted. I have my feeder set to support 
cardinals and smaller birds.
Good luck!
Holly, Eaton Birding Society member


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Hi,

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] question about feeder crowds

[Holly Noble]

A weight sensitive feeder closes access to the seed openings when a certain 
amount of weight is on the perch. You can calibrate to exclude birds such as 
starlings, red-winged blackbirds, grackles, etc. 
I did see a few clever starlings who learned if they continued to flap their 
wings while only partially applying their weight to the perch, they could poke 
their beak into the much narrowed slot to get a seed. However, it required 
effort and energy. Not many persisted. I have my feeder set to support 
cardinals and smaller birds. 
Good luck!
Holly, Eaton Birding Society member

> On Apr 21, 2021, at 2:05 PM, Deb Grantham  wrote:
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>  
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> at her feeders, and that they hog all the food she puts out. Any suggestions?
>  
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] question about feeder crowds

[Geo Kloppel]

I have a bog metal hopper-type feeder with spring-loaded perching bars, and the 
spring tension is adjustable. At any particular setting, birds over a certain 
weight will depress the bars, which closes off the seed ports. During Blue Jay 
migration, for example, the spring loading can be adjusted so the heavy Blue 
Jays are denied access. But really, where’s the fun in that? Unless it’s in 
watching their clever attempts to circumvent the exclusion mechanism! In the 
end, I’ve just opted to leave the spring tension on high, and the only critters 
who actually depress the bars are the bears, who are not deterred in the least, 
but simply push over the feeder pole, bust open the hopper and devour the 
entire load of sunflower seed!

Hmm... April 21st, nearly time for the bears to show up...

-Geo



> On Apr 21, 2021, at 4:23 PM, Anne Marie Johnson 
>  wrote:
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>  You can find a few more tips for deterring large flocks of birds on this 
> page of the FeederWatch website.
> 
> Anne Marie Johnson
> Caroline
> 
> On 4/21/2021 2:15 PM, Donna Lee Scott wrote:
>> I too have many RW Blackbirds, Brown-headed Cowbirds, and 6-8 Grackles and I 
>> am going thru a lot of expensive bird food.
>> I put out food in early morning, one time a day.
>>  
>> The only thing I can think to do is to stop feeding the birds altogether for 
>> a while, so that the hoards go somewhere else and then start feeding the 
>> “dainty” birds again.
>>  
>> Donna L. Scott
>> 535 Lansing Station Road
>> Lansing
>>  
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>> Hi,
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>> at her feeders, and that they hog all the food she puts out. Any suggestions?
>>  
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[Anne Marie Johnson]

  
  
You can find a few more tips for deterring large flocks of birds on
this
  page of the FeederWatch website.

Anne Marie Johnson
Caroline

On 4/21/2021 2:15 PM, Donna Lee Scott
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
I too have many RW Blackbirds,
Brown-headed Cowbirds, and 6-8 Grackles and I am going thru
a lot of expensive bird food.
I put out food in early morning, one time
a day.
 
The only thing I can think to do is to
stop feeding the birds altogether for a while, so that the
hoards go somewhere else and then start feeding the “dainty”
birds again.
 

  Donna L. Scott
  535 Lansing Station Road
  Lansing

 

  
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  Subject: [cayugabirds-l] question about feeder
  crowds
  

 
Hi,
 
A neighbor of mine is bothered that she
  gets a lot of grackles and starlings at her feeders, and that
  they hog all the food she puts out. Any suggestions?
 
Deb
 
 

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RE:[cayugabirds-l] question about feeder crowds

[Donna Lee Scott]

I too have many RW Blackbirds, Brown-headed Cowbirds, and 6-8 Grackles and I am 
going thru a lot of expensive bird food.
I put out food in early morning, one time a day.

The only thing I can think to do is to stop feeding the birds altogether for a 
while, so that the hoards go somewhere else and then start feeding the "dainty" 
birds again.

Donna L. Scott
535 Lansing Station Road
Lansing

From: bounce-125563710-15001...@list.cornell.edu 
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Subject: [cayugabirds-l] question about feeder crowds

Hi,

A neighbor of mine is bothered that she gets a lot of grackles and starlings at 
her feeders, and that they hog all the food she puts out. Any suggestions?

Deb


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[cayugabirds-l] question about feeder crowds

[Deb Grantham]

Hi,

A neighbor of mine is bothered that she gets a lot of grackles and starlings at 
her feeders, and that they hog all the food she puts out. Any suggestions?

Deb



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[cayugabirds-l] Question on diseases of feeder birds

[Mona Bearor]

I recently had to remove all my feeders after observing a Pine Siskin with
what may have been trichomoniasis - feeding strictly on the ground, very
swollen appearance, difficulty swallowing, remaining put when other birds
dispersed.  This caused me to wonder if these diseases - conjunctivitis,
trichomoniasis and salmonellosis - are confined to the Fringillidae family.
I never read about instances in any other feeder birds, such as titmice,
chickadees, and nuthatches.
 
Any thoughts or information appreciated,
 
Mona Bearor
Stuart's Draft Hwy, Staunton, VA
 
 
 

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question about "blackbirds."

[Linda Orkin]

Liz that’s   a great question that I’ve wondered about myself. Hope 
answers/guesses get posted here. Starlings aren’t even related. 

Linda Orkin 
Ithaca 



> On Mar 13, 2021, at 11:58 AM, Liz Brown  wrote:
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> 
> Here's something I wonder about every spring, when the big mixed flocks of 
> grackles, blackbirds, cowbirds, and starlings show up:
> 
> Why do all our black passerines (with the exception of crows and ravens) hang 
> out together? There aren't any small black birds who DON'T join these big 
> flocks, are there? 
> Or, to flip the question around - why are these birds all black?
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[Liz Brown]

Here's something I wonder about every spring, when the big mixed flocks of 
grackles, blackbirds, cowbirds, and starlings show up:

Why do all our black passerines (with the exception of crows and ravens) hang 
out together? There aren't any small black birds who DON'T join these big 
flocks, are there?
Or, to flip the question around - why are these birds all black?

-Liz

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RE: [cayugabirds-l] Question on water quality for birdbaths

[Mona Bearor]

Apologies for my delay in sending my thanks for this detailed explanation.
I am relieved that I haven't been causing the birds any health problems.  I
appreciate the time you took to reply.
 
Mona Bearor
Stuart's Draft Hwy, Staunton
 
 
 
From: Donna Lee Scott [mailto:d...@cornell.edu] 
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 11:12 AM
To: Mona Bearor ; CAYUGABIRDS-L

Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] Question on water quality for birdbaths
 
Hi Mona,
 
I looked up the sodium content of softened water, sunflower seed meats, corn
kernals, and shelled peanuts.
 
The amount of sodium in softened water depends on the hardness (called
"grains per gallon") of the original water, which determines how much salt
has to be added to the water to 
"soften" it. That added sodium has to be added to the amount of sodium in
the original water to get an exact figure.
But in an example:
If the water hardness is 18 grains, the recommended added salt to the
softener would give about 35 mg of added sodium per 8 oz. glass of water.
(See www.purewaterproducts.com <http://www.purewaterproducts.com>  for more
info).
 
Hulled sunflower seeds, 1 cup (8 oz dry) has about 13 mg sodium.
Hulled peanuts, 5 oz. has 454 mg of sodium, or 726 mg sodium in 8 oz./1 cup.
Corn kernals, 4 oz. has 230 mg sodium, so 8 oz. corn has 460 mg sodium.
 
So, I would say that the amount of sodium added to the water from your
softener (depending on the grains of hardness in the original water) is a
figure between the sunflower seed meats and the hulled peanuts, and is much
nearer the lower amount of sodium in the sunflower seeds.
 
Therefore, if it was my water situation, I would go ahead and use the
softened water in the birdbath, since the amount of added sodium the birds
would get from their tiny drinks would probably be well less than the amount
of sodium they are getting from peanuts and near the amount they would get
from sunflower seeds.
 
I hope this is helpful.
 
Donna Scott
 
Donna L. Scott
Retired Food Scientist
 
535 Lansing Station Road
Lansing, NY 14882
d...@cornell.edu <mailto:d...@cornell.edu> 
 
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Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Question on water quality for birdbaths
 
I keep my birdbath clean and heated in the winter, however I have moved to
where a water softener is required.  I am wondering if this water is
affecting the health of the birds. All our water goes through the softener -
even the outside spigots - so if I should purchase water at the market
should I buy distilled, spring water, or purified water?
Thank you for your knowledge and thoughts on this subject,
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Staunton, VA
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RE: [cayugabirds-l] Question on water quality for birdbaths

[Donna Lee Scott]

Hi Mona,

I looked up the sodium content of softened water, sunflower seed meats, corn 
kernals, and shelled peanuts.

The amount of sodium in softened water depends on the hardness (called "grains 
per gallon") of the original water, which determines how much salt has to be 
added to the water to
"soften" it. That added sodium has to be added to the amount of sodium in the 
original water to get an exact figure.
But in an example:
If the water hardness is 18 grains, the recommended added salt to the softener 
would give about 35 mg of added sodium per 8 oz. glass of water.
(See www.purewaterproducts.com<http://www.purewaterproducts.com> for more info).

Hulled sunflower seeds, 1 cup (8 oz dry) has about 13 mg sodium.
Hulled peanuts, 5 oz. has 454 mg of sodium, or 726 mg sodium in 8 oz./1 cup.
Corn kernals, 4 oz. has 230 mg sodium, so 8 oz. corn has 460 mg sodium.

So, I would say that the amount of sodium added to the water from your softener 
(depending on the grains of hardness in the original water) is a figure between 
the sunflower seed meats and the hulled peanuts, and is much nearer the lower 
amount of sodium in the sunflower seeds.

Therefore, if it was my water situation, I would go ahead and use the softened 
water in the birdbath, since the amount of added sodium the birds would get 
from their tiny drinks would probably be well less than the amount of sodium 
they are getting from peanuts and near the amount they would get from sunflower 
seeds.

I hope this is helpful.

Donna Scott

Donna L. Scott
Retired Food Scientist

535 Lansing Station Road
Lansing, NY 14882
d...@cornell.edu

From: bounce-125369359-15001...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-125369359-15001...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Mona Bearor
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 10:30 AM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Question on water quality for birdbaths

I keep my birdbath clean and heated in the winter, however I have moved to 
where a water softener is required.  I am wondering if this water is affecting 
the health of the birds. All our water goes through the softener - even the 
outside spigots - so if I should purchase water at the market should I buy 
distilled, spring water, or purified water?
Thank you for your knowledge and thoughts on this subject,
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Staunton, VA
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[cayugabirds-l] Question on water quality for birdbaths

[Mona Bearor]

I keep my birdbath clean and heated in the winter, however I have moved to
where a water softener is required.  I am wondering if this water is
affecting the health of the birds. All our water goes through the softener -
even the outside spigots - so if I should purchase water at the market
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] question about white-throated sparrows

[Marilyn Ray]

We live on the edge of Brooktonville.

On 2/3/2021 3:41 PM, Carol Cedarholm wrote:
> I'm wondering where you all live? In the country? I have had one only 
> rarely and live in town in Ithaca.  But the last few weeks I have had 
> one almost every day.
>
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 3:07 PM Marilyn Ray  > wrote:
>
> About seven or eight winters ago, we had a pair of white throats
> all winter and have had them ever since until last year when we
> had our usual pair plus maybe two more and nor we've had about six
> or seven all this winter.  The first winter the pair only ate from
> fallen seeds beneath the feeders, but the last few winters they
> hav gradually learned to use he feeders and use them most of the
> time.
>
> On 2/2/2021 3:27 PM, Gary Kohlenberg wrote:
>> I usually have 2-6 at my feeders all winter. They breed in the
>> woods around my house east of Ithaca.
>> Gary
>>
>> On Feb 2, 2021, at 2:23 PM, Linda Post Van Buskirk
>>   wrote:
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>> 
>> How common is it for them to winter here?  I have one or possibly
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] question about white-throated sparrows

[Whitings]

Hi, 
I have had three or four all winter and I live in the village of Skaneateles. 
They are very reliable.

Diana Whiting

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> On Feb 3, 2021, at 3:42 PM, Carol Cedarholm  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm wondering where you all live? In the country?  I have had one only rarely 
> and live in town in Ithaca.  But the last few weeks I have had one almost 
> every day.  
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 3:07 PM Marilyn Ray  wrote:
>> About seven or eight winters ago, we had a pair of white throats all winter 
>> and have had them ever since until last year when we had our usual pair plus 
>> maybe two more and nor we've had about six or seven all this winter.  The 
>> first winter the pair only ate from fallen seeds beneath the feeders, but 
>> the last few winters they hav gradually learned to use he feeders and use 
>> them most of the time. 
>> 
>> On 2/2/2021 3:27 PM, Gary Kohlenberg wrote:
>>> I usually have 2-6 at my feeders all winter. They breed in the woods around 
>>> my house east of Ithaca. 
>>> Gary 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 2, 2021, at 2:23 PM, Linda Post Van Buskirk  wrote:
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[Carol Cedarholm]

I'm wondering where you all live? In the country?  I have had one only
rarely and live in town in Ithaca.  But the last few weeks I have had one
almost every day.

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> winter and have had them ever since until last year when we had our usual
> pair plus maybe two more and nor we've had about six or seven all this
> winter.  The first winter the pair only ate from fallen seeds beneath the
> feeders, but the last few winters they hav gradually learned to use he
> feeders and use them most of the time.
>
> On 2/2/2021 3:27 PM, Gary Kohlenberg wrote:
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> I usually have 2-6 at my feeders all winter. They breed in the woods
> around my house east of Ithaca.
> Gary
>
> On Feb 2, 2021, at 2:23 PM, Linda Post Van Buskirk 
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About seven or eight winters ago, we had a pair of white throats all 
winter and have had them ever since until last year when we had our 
usual pair plus maybe two more and nor we've had about six or seven all 
this winter.  The first winter the pair only ate from fallen seeds 
beneath the feeders, but the last few winters they hav gradually learned 
to use he feeders and use them most of the time.

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> around my house east of Ithaca.
> Gary
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> On Feb 2, 2021, at 2:23 PM, Linda Post Van Buskirk  
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On 2/2/2021 2:34 PM, Donna Lee Scott wrote:
> I often have had WT Sparrows here in winter.
> I have 2 now eating off ground where i scatter bird seed mix.
>
> Donna Scott
> Lansing
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I usually have 2-6 at my feeders all winter. They breed in the woods around my 
house east of Ithaca.
Gary

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[Donna Lee Scott]

I often have had WT Sparrows here in winter.
I have 2 now eating off ground where i scatter bird seed mix.

Donna Scott
Lansing
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How common is it for them to winter here?  I have one or possibly a pair at my 
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How common is it for them to winter here?  I have one or possibly a pair at my 
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We are surprised to still see hummingbirds in our yard in Cayuga Heights.
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I was at Montezuma this morning.  At the end near rt. 89 and above the Thruway 
I spotted a raptor soaring low.  When I got my bins on it I could tell it was 
an eagle.  As it banked in good light, it’s underside seemed golden rather than 
the brown of a Bald Eagle.  Any idea what I saw?  I had a a very quick look.  
By the time I got to 89, it was gone.

For me the the biggest find was a Yellow Bellied Sapsucker on Mays Pt. Rd.

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[khmo]

Sorry Carol, that response was to another's question which somehow
became crossed by our email. I agree with Mark's response.
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> I'm wondering why my birds have suddenly found an Alaskan Cedar so 
> interesting.  I noticed several birds, Cardinals, Tree Sparrows, Chickadees 
> all sitting at the tips of a birch tree which is close to the Cedar.  They'd 
> fly over to the Cedar and go in.  More and more of my regular birds came and 
> seemed to check out the tree.  At one time there was a Blue Jay, a couple of 
> male Cardinals, two Titmice, a Chickadee, Tree Sparrows, and House Sparrows 
> all sitting in the birch waiting to go in the Cedar.  What's going on?  I 
> know the Cedar has little seed cones.  I've never seen any birds in the Cedar 
> before.  It was fascinating to watch.  I usually see the birds in the Norway 
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I mis-spoke as this is an advanced Second year bird showing adult plumes
but a youngster's eye. My guess he was born in 2017. Now that he is a
third year the eye should go red come spring.
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> I'm wondering why my birds have suddenly found an Alaskan Cedar so 
> interesting.  I noticed several birds, Cardinals, Tree Sparrows, Chickadees 
> all sitting at the tips of a birch tree which is close to the Cedar.  They'd 
> fly over to the Cedar and go in.  More and more of my regular birds came and 
> seemed to check out the tree.  At one time there was a Blue Jay, a couple of 
> male Cardinals, two Titmice, a Chickadee, Tree Sparrows, and House Sparrows 
> all sitting in the birch waiting to go in the Cedar.  What's going on?  I 
> know the Cedar has little seed cones.  I've never seen any birds in the Cedar 
> before.  It was fascinating to watch.  I usually see the birds in the Norway 
> spruces which are nearby, not the Cedar.  There are no feeders on that side 
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Hi Carol,

A guess would be that the fruits/seeds of the plant are "persistent",
meaning they last a long time on the plant, and while Alaskan Cedar  may
not be a familiar for the local birds, they are into them now for whatever
reason. Perhaps they're exploring novel food sources at this point in the
season as their usual choices become depleted.

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> I’m wondering why my birds have suddenly found an Alaskan Cedar so
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> all sitting at the tips of a birch tree which is close to the Cedar.
> They’d fly over to the Cedar and go in.  More and more of my regular birds
> came and seemed to check out the tree.  At one time there was a Blue Jay, a
> couple of male Cardinals, two Titmice, a Chickadee, Tree Sparrows, and
> House Sparrows all sitting in the birch waiting to go in the Cedar.  What’s
> going on?  I know the Cedar has little seed cones.  I’ve never seen any
> birds in the Cedar before.  It was fascinating to watch.  I usually see the
> birds in the Norway spruces which are nearby, not the Cedar.  There are no
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I’m wondering why my birds have suddenly found an Alaskan Cedar so interesting. 
 I noticed several birds, Cardinals, Tree Sparrows, Chickadees all sitting at 
the tips of a birch tree which is close to the Cedar.  They’d fly over to the 
Cedar and go in.  More and more of my regular birds came and seemed to check 
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two Titmice, a Chickadee, Tree Sparrows, and House Sparrows all sitting in the 
birch waiting to go in the Cedar.  What’s going on?  I know the Cedar has 
little seed cones.  I’ve never seen any birds in the Cedar before.  It was 
fascinating to watch.  I usually see the birds in the Norway spruces which are 
nearby, not the Cedar.  There are no feeders on that side of the house.  Any 
ideas of what’s going on?

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question re: Towpath Road

[Carol Keeler]

Very good question.  I bet lots of people would like to know.
Van Dyne Spoor was improved this year, but those rains may change that.

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>> (especially since the rains of this week) about the condition of the road 
>> and accessibility by car, SUV, or 4x4?
>> 
>> Thank you. 
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[cayugabirds-l] Question re: Towpath Road

[Stephen Taylor]

> 
> I haven’t been down Towpath Road since mid-May. At the time it seemed to have 
> been slightly graded and improved. Does anyone have current information 
> (especially since the rains of this week) about the condition of the road and 
> accessibility by car, SUV, or 4x4?
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question

[Asher Hockett]

The ranger station at FLNF Hector is sold out of Senior passes and will not
be getting any more before the price increase.


On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Peter  wrote:

> One last time for those who tend to come this way to bird the Refuge.
> Passes can be purchased at the Woman's Historic Park in Seneca Falls.
>
> Sar
>
> On 7/15/2017 11:54 AM, Peter wrote:
>
> Thanks folks.
>
> On 7/13/2017 1:39 PM, Asher Hockett wrote:
>
> You can purchase passes at:
>
> *Hector Ranger Station*
> 5218 State Route 414
> Hector, NY 14841
>
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Mike Pitzrick 
> wrote:
>
>> It looks like it would be a good idea to purchase a Senior Pass prior to
>> August 28, 2017.
>>
>> Changes to Senior Pass
>> 
>>
>> -Mike
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 12:28 PM, Judith Thurber 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I purchased mine at Wonderful Steamtiwn in Scranton but Ft Stanwix in
>>> Rome NY probably also sells them.  A bargain for sure.
>>>
>>> Judy Thurber, Liverpool
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Jul 13, 2017, at 10:51 AM, Peter  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Might anyone know where one could purchase a Senior park pass to our
>>> National Parks? I got mine at the Refuge but am told they are no longer
>>> selling them.
>>> >
>>> > Much obliged.
>>> >
>>> > Pete Sar
>>> >
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question

[Claire Damaske]

Sorry, no they don't sell them at the Women's HIstoric Park.  Hector or
online are the way to go.

On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 12:16 PM Peter  wrote:

> One last time for those who tend to come this way to bird the Refuge.
> Passes can be purchased at the Woman's Historic Park in Seneca Falls.
>
> Sar
>
> On 7/15/2017 11:54 AM, Peter wrote:
>
> Thanks folks.
>
> On 7/13/2017 1:39 PM, Asher Hockett wrote:
>
> You can purchase passes at:
>
> *Hector Ranger Station*
> 5218 State Route 414
> Hector, NY 14841
>
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Mike Pitzrick 
> wrote:
>
>> It looks like it would be a good idea to purchase a Senior Pass prior to
>> August 28, 2017.
>>
>> Changes to Senior Pass
>> 
>>
>> -Mike
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 12:28 PM, Judith Thurber 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I purchased mine at Wonderful Steamtiwn in Scranton but Ft Stanwix in
>>> Rome NY probably also sells them.  A bargain for sure.
>>>
>>> Judy Thurber, Liverpool
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Jul 13, 2017, at 10:51 AM, Peter  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Might anyone know where one could purchase a Senior park pass to our
>>> National Parks? I got mine at the Refuge but am told they are no longer
>>> selling them.
>>> >
>>> > Much obliged.
>>> >
>>> > Pete Sar
>>> >
>>> >
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question

[Peter]

One last time for those who tend to come this way to bird the Refuge. 
Passes can be purchased at the Woman's Historic Park in Seneca Falls.

Sar


On 7/15/2017 11:54 AM, Peter wrote:
>
> Thanks folks.
>
>
> On 7/13/2017 1:39 PM, Asher Hockett wrote:
>> You can purchase passes at:
>> *
>> *
>> *Hector Ranger Station*
>> 5218 State Route 414
>> Hector, NY 14841
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Mike Pitzrick > > wrote:
>>
>> It looks like it would be a good idea to purchase a Senior Pass
>> prior to August 28, 2017.
>>
>> Changes to Senior Pass
>> 
>> 
>>
>> -Mike
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 12:28 PM, Judith Thurber
>> > wrote:
>>
>> I purchased mine at Wonderful Steamtiwn in Scranton but Ft
>> Stanwix in Rome NY probably also sells them.  A bargain for sure.
>>
>> Judy Thurber, Liverpool
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Jul 13, 2017, at 10:51 AM, Peter
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Might anyone know where one could purchase a Senior park
>> pass to our National Parks? I got mine at the Refuge but am
>> told they are no longer selling them.
>> >
>> > Much obliged.
>> >
>> > Pete Sar
>> >
>> >
>> > --
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question

[Peter]

Thanks folks.


On 7/13/2017 1:39 PM, Asher Hockett wrote:
> You can purchase passes at:
> *
> *
> *Hector Ranger Station*
> 5218 State Route 414
> Hector, NY 14841
>
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Mike Pitzrick  > wrote:
>
> It looks like it would be a good idea to purchase a Senior Pass
> prior to August 28, 2017.
>
> Changes to Senior Pass
> 
> 
>
> -Mike
>
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 12:28 PM, Judith Thurber
> > wrote:
>
> I purchased mine at Wonderful Steamtiwn in Scranton but Ft
> Stanwix in Rome NY probably also sells them.  A bargain for sure.
>
> Judy Thurber, Liverpool
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 13, 2017, at 10:51 AM, Peter
> >
> wrote:
> >
> > Might anyone know where one could purchase a Senior park
> pass to our National Parks? I got mine at the Refuge but am
> told they are no longer selling them.
> >
> > Much obliged.
> >
> > Pete Sar
> >
> >
> > --
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question

[Asher Hockett]

You can purchase passes at:

*Hector Ranger Station*
5218 State Route 414
Hector, NY 14841

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Mike Pitzrick  wrote:

> It looks like it would be a good idea to purchase a Senior Pass prior to
> August 28, 2017.
>
> Changes to Senior Pass
> 
>
> -Mike
>
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 12:28 PM, Judith Thurber 
> wrote:
>
>> I purchased mine at Wonderful Steamtiwn in Scranton but Ft Stanwix in
>> Rome NY probably also sells them.  A bargain for sure.
>>
>> Judy Thurber, Liverpool
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Jul 13, 2017, at 10:51 AM, Peter  wrote:
>> >
>> > Might anyone know where one could purchase a Senior park pass to our
>> National Parks? I got mine at the Refuge but am told they are no longer
>> selling them.
>> >
>> > Much obliged.
>> >
>> > Pete Sar
>> >
>> >
>> > --
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question

[Mike Pitzrick]

It looks like it would be a good idea to purchase a Senior Pass prior to
August 28, 2017.

Changes to Senior Pass


-Mike

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 12:28 PM, Judith Thurber 
wrote:

> I purchased mine at Wonderful Steamtiwn in Scranton but Ft Stanwix in Rome
> NY probably also sells them.  A bargain for sure.
>
> Judy Thurber, Liverpool
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 13, 2017, at 10:51 AM, Peter  wrote:
> >
> > Might anyone know where one could purchase a Senior park pass to our
> National Parks? I got mine at the Refuge but am told they are no longer
> selling them.
> >
> > Much obliged.
> >
> > Pete Sar
> >
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question

[Judith Thurber]

I purchased mine at Wonderful Steamtiwn in Scranton but Ft Stanwix in Rome NY 
probably also sells them.  A bargain for sure.   

Judy Thurber, Liverpool

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 13, 2017, at 10:51 AM, Peter  wrote:
> 
> Might anyone know where one could purchase a Senior park pass to our National 
> Parks? I got mine at the Refuge but am told they are no longer selling them.
> 
> Much obliged.
> 
> Pete Sar
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question

[Nancy Cusumano]

It took several months for my husband to get his and he applied on line.
There is a "last minute rush" on them with the price increase looming.

Cayuga Dog Rescue has saved more than 555! dogs since 2005!
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On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Claire Damaske  wrote:

> The Women's Historic Park in Seneca Falls.
>
> Claire Damaske
>
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 10:59 AM Chris R. Pelkie 
> wrote:
>
>> Finger Lakes NF - Hector Station 607-546-4470 <(607)%20546-4470> Hector
>> NY https://www.fs.fed.us/r9/gmfl/contact/offices.htm YES YES
>>
>> The YESes are for Senior Pass and Access Military 4th Grade
>>
>> Taken from:
>> https://store.usgs.gov/sites/default/files/PassIssuanceList.pdf
>>
>> I have not tried this source myself.
>>
>> ChrisP
>> __
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>> Chris Pelkie
>> Information/Data Manager; IT Support
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>> Cornell Lab of Ornithology
>> 159 Sapsucker Woods Road
>> Ithaca, NY 14850
>>
>> On Jul 13, 2017, at 10:51, Peter  wrote:
>>
>> Might anyone know where one could purchase a Senior park pass to our
>> National Parks? I got mine at the Refuge but am told they are no longer
>> selling them.
>>
>> Much obliged.
>>
>> Pete Sar
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question

[Claire Damaske]

The Women's Historic Park in Seneca Falls.

Claire Damaske

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 10:59 AM Chris R. Pelkie 
wrote:

> Finger Lakes NF - Hector Station 607-546-4470 Hector NY
> https://www.fs.fed.us/r9/gmfl/contact/offices.htm YES YES
>
> The YESes are for Senior Pass and Access Military 4th Grade
>
> Taken from:
> https://store.usgs.gov/sites/default/files/PassIssuanceList.pdf
>
> I have not tried this source myself.
>
> ChrisP
> __
>
> Chris Pelkie
> Information/Data Manager; IT Support
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> Cornell Lab of Ornithology
> 159 Sapsucker Woods Road
> Ithaca, NY 14850
>
> On Jul 13, 2017, at 10:51, Peter  wrote:
>
> Might anyone know where one could purchase a Senior park pass to our
> National Parks? I got mine at the Refuge but am told they are no longer
> selling them.
>
> Much obliged.
>
> Pete Sar
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[Chris R. Pelkie]

Finger Lakes NF - Hector Station 607-546-4470 Hector NY 
https://www.fs.fed.us/r9/gmfl/contact/offices.htm YES YES

The YESes are for Senior Pass and Access Military 4th Grade

Taken from:
https://store.usgs.gov/sites/default/files/PassIssuanceList.pdf

I have not tried this source myself.

ChrisP
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Information/Data Manager; IT Support
Bioacoustics Research Program
Cornell Lab of Ornithology
159 Sapsucker Woods Road
Ithaca, NY 14850

On Jul 13, 2017, at 10:51, Peter 
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Might anyone know where one could purchase a Senior park pass to our National 
Parks? I got mine at the Refuge but am told they are no longer selling them.

Much obliged.

Pete Sar


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[cayugabirds-l] Question

[Peter]

Might anyone know where one could purchase a Senior park pass to our 
National Parks? I got mine at the Refuge but am told they are no longer 
selling them.


Much obliged.

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RE: [cayugabirds-l] Question on merganser

[Marie P. Read]

Hi Sheila,

Yes, Red-breasted Mergs are migrants and breed much farther north of us here. 
Common Mergansers breed here commonly! It is a bit hard to tell the females 
apart, but female Red-breasteds are much more slender (Sibley says more 
"spindly) with thin bills, and more wispy crests. They also lack the Common 
female's whitish throat. Commons are much heavier bodied birds, with thicker 
bills.

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Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:25 PM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Question on merganser

Yesterday at Monkey Run I saw a merganser with babies on her back. She sure 
looked like a red-throated, but aren't they migrants? Perhaps she was too low 
in the water to see the white, but she also had quite a crest. Unfortunately I 
startled her, and she seemed to not be able to swim away fast enough with her 
baby burden, so she dumped them, took off at a brisk clip, tsk, tsk, tsking for 
her brood to follow. They would all catch up, climb back on, and then she 
dumped them again to swim farther. This went on several times until it seemed 
she felt they'd escaped danger.

I also saw a scarlet tanager, and heard a white-throated sparrow on the upland 
part of the trail (south side of Fall Creek). Near the water saw an American 
redstart, a Blackburnian warbler, rose-breasted grosbeak, Canada geese. And 
distant hawk, blue jay, and goldfinches. I'm sure there was tons more there, 
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[cayugabirds-l] Question on merganser

[Sheila Ann Dean]

Yesterday at Monkey Run I saw a merganser with babies on her back. She sure
looked like a red-throated, but aren't they migrants? Perhaps she was too
low in the water to see the white, but she also had quite a crest.
Unfortunately I startled her, and she seemed to not be able to swim away
fast enough with her baby burden, so she dumped them, took off at a brisk
clip, tsk, tsk, tsking for her brood to follow. They would all catch up,
climb back on, and then she dumped them again to swim farther. This went on
several times until it seemed she felt they'd escaped danger.

I also saw a scarlet tanager, and heard a white-throated sparrow on the
upland part of the trail (south side of Fall Creek). Near the water saw an
American redstart, a Blackburnian warbler, rose-breasted grosbeak, Canada
geese. And distant hawk, blue jay, and goldfinches. I'm sure there was tons
more there, but I'm a beginner, and had to get back to work.

Sheila

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[cayugabirds-l] question on strange Mallard nest

[Mona Bearor]

I am watching a Peregrine Falcon nest in a local quarry.  On an adjacent
ledge on the quarry wall is a Mallard hen on a nest.  She has been
incubating at least since 4/28.  I don't see a safe path to the water for
the chicks if they hatch and find this an unusual nest location.  I can't
find any documentation of a Mallard hen nesting in such a location.  I can
send a photos of the nest location and the hen on the nest if anyone is
interested.
 
Any information appreciated.
 
Mona Bearor
South Glens Falls, NY
 
 

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[cayugabirds-l] Question

[Peter]

Friends:

Cape May is having a 2 day "field trip" to look for shorebirds on the 
24th and 25th of August. It's led by one of the folks who wrote the 
shorebird book. Cost for the workshop (not including travel, room and 
board) is about $190.

Anyone interested in car pooling?
Pete Saracino

Here is a description of the workshop:

*Shorebirds with the Man Who Wrote the Book*
*Wednesday-Thursday, August 24-25, 2016 (2 Days)
With Michael O’Brien
Second leader added if registration warrants
Cost: $150 members, $190 nonmembers.*
It is not surprising Houghton Mifflin’s landmark /The Shorebird Guide/ 
sprang from the brains and hands of three Cape May birders and authors. 
Now you can experience some of the East Coast’s best shorebirding while 
guided by one of them. Michael O’Brien is equal parts skilled birder and 
superb teacher. Search storied locations like Bunker Pond, the South 
Cape May Meadows, Stone Harbor, and Brigantine NWR for peeps, plovers 
and yellowlegs plus possible gems like phalaropes or godwits. Over 25 
plovers and sandpipers are in easy reach, with some species numbering in 
the thousands. Learn to begin with size, shape, behavior and voice, and 
then move on to careful examination of plumage details, just as /The 
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[cayugabirds-l] question on Sandbank Rd fields

[Melissa Groo]

Got a question for others from the manager of some of the land at the
corner of King Rd and Sandbank Rd I had written him last year to ask about
his mowing plans, wanted to make sure he knew it was important nesting
habitat for bobolinks among others, and he was aware and sensitive to that.
He has just written me again, with the following note, which is pasted
under mine, and I wonder if anyone could help him with his questions. His
name is Steve Selin and his email is steve.se...@gmail.com.
Maybe it would be helpful for responses to be cced to the list so we'll
know when someone has helped him (and we won't inundate him)? Plus, the
answers might be instructive for us all.
Thanks so much for any guidance.
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I don’t know if I updated you on this field that you contacted me about.
Last year we worked with the owner on establishing a conservation easement
so it will never be subdivided. I am planting an orchard on a few acres of
it, and there rest is still open. I would like to keep it in field, and
would like to manage it with the lowest impact on the birds while also
keeping the trees and shrubs from coming back. Historically this would be
done by letting a hay farmer cut hay. However they often need to cut during
breeding seasons. Do you know anyone around here who knows what options
there are for help in managing the fields without disturbing the breeding
birds? 

I think that brush-hogging it later in the summer would work, but would
cost money, as opposed to having a hay farmer hay it for free or for a
small lease amount.Sometimes there are DEC programs to help with management
like this. Are you aware of any programs to help keep fields open but
without negatively impacting wildlife.

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[Melissa Groo]

Thanks Judy! I am in the Bahamas right now and not on email much so it will
be hard for me to monitor and forward responses. So it would be great if
people could write him directly. He is not on the listserv but his email
address is in the original email I sent.

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Judy Cuyle gnatca...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Peter Moore on Gunderman Road cuts hay in a lot of places in Danby. He
 often cuts late. I think you could work with him to be sure he does yours
 after the nesting is completed. He does that on another birding owner's
 land.

 If interested, e-mail me privately and I'll give you his phone number.

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 Got a question for others from the manager of some of the land at the
 corner of King Rd and Sandbank Rd I had written him last year to ask about
 his mowing plans, wanted to make sure he knew it was important nesting
 habitat for bobolinks among others, and he was aware and sensitive to that.
 He has just written me again, with the following note, which is pasted
 under mine, and I wonder if anyone could help him with his questions. His
 name is Steve Selin and his email is steve.se...@gmail.com.
 Maybe it would be helpful for responses to be cced to the list so we'll
 know when someone has helped him (and we won't inundate him)? Plus, the
 answers might be instructive for us all.
 Thanks so much for any guidance.
 Melissa
 ---

 I don’t know if I updated you on this field that you contacted me about.
 Last year we worked with the owner on establishing a conservation easement
 so it will never be subdivided. I am planting an orchard on a few acres of
 it, and there rest is still open. I would like to keep it in field, and
 would like to manage it with the lowest impact on the birds while also
 keeping the trees and shrubs from coming back. Historically this would be
 done by letting a hay farmer cut hay. However they often need to cut during
 breeding seasons. Do you know anyone around here who knows what options
 there are for help in managing the fields without disturbing the breeding
 birds? 

 I think that brush-hogging it later in the summer would work, but would
 cost money, as opposed to having a hay farmer hay it for free or for a
 small lease amount.Sometimes there are DEC programs to help with management
 like this. Are you aware of any programs to help keep fields open but
 without negatively impacting wildlife.

 Steve Selin
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[cayugabirds-l] question of the day

[Marc Devokaitis]

OK folks-- hoping to crowd-source the answer to this question.  Of course i
will include the requisite warning against birding WHILE driving...  But
maybe someone has an answer they are passionate about. I'm thinking a
hybrid hybrid would have great appeal.  Or a self-driving Google car!


*Dear Cornell Lab,*

*What is the best vehicle by which to bird in your opinion? What vehicle is
considered to be best to enjoy birding? Convenience, space, space to put
stuff and yet be handy, price, and of course view from all locations in
vehicle!*


Thanks for any thoughts!

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] question of the day

[Pete M. Marchetto]

One's own two legs, and a backpack. A bike with panniers is good, but not as 
good.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 12, 2015, at 10:33 AM, Marc Devokaitis 
mdevokai...@gmail.commailto:mdevokai...@gmail.com wrote:

OK folks-- hoping to crowd-source the answer to this question.  Of course i 
will include the requisite warning against birding WHILE driving...  But maybe 
someone has an answer they are passionate about. I'm thinking a hybrid hybrid 
would have great appeal.  Or a self-driving Google car!


Dear Cornell Lab,

What is the best vehicle by which to bird in your opinion? What vehicle is 
considered to be best to enjoy birding? Convenience, space, space to put stuff 
and yet be handy, price, and of course view from all locations in vehicle!


Thanks for any thoughts!

Marc Devokaitis
Cornell Lab of Ornithology

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] question of the day

[Kathleen Kramer]

While I agree with Pete, some of us... me, at this stage of life and my 
now-deceased and dear friend Caissa Wilmer...  have physical limitations 
but don't want to give up the joy of birding.

About vehicles...  I used to have a Subaru Legacy which had good-sized 
windows, a hatchback for carrying stuff and four-wheel drive.  Had to 
let that car go, but it was a good choice... for me.  (I know, not a 
hybrid. Shame on me.)

Kathleen

On 3/12/15 10:37 AM, Pete M. Marchetto wrote:
 One's own two legs, and a backpack. A bike with panniers is good, but 
 not as good.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 12, 2015, at 10:33 AM, Marc Devokaitis mdevokai...@gmail.com 
 mailto:mdevokai...@gmail.com wrote:

 OK folks-- hoping to crowd-source the answer to this question.  Of 
 course i will include the requisite warning against birding WHILE 
 driving...  But maybe someone has an answer they are passionate 
 about. I'm thinking a hybrid hybrid would have great appeal.  Or a 
 self-driving Google car!

 /
 /
 /Dear Cornell Lab,/
 /
 /
 /What is the best vehicle by which to bird in your opinion? What 
 vehicle is considered to be best to enjoy birding? Convenience, 
 space, space to put stuff and yet be handy, price, and of course view 
 from all locations in vehicle!/

 Thanks for any thoughts!

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RE: [cayugabirds-l] question of the day

[Bill Mcaneny]

Sitting in the bed of a pickup truck on a swivel chair with a cooler nearby.
You can see all, hear all, and be elevated above those nasty roadside weeds
and shrubs.

Bill McAneny

 

  _  

From: bounce-118928563-7495...@list.cornell.edu
[mailto:bounce-118928563-7495...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Marc
Devokaitis
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:29 AM
To: Cayuga Birding List
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] question of the day

 

OK folks-- hoping to crowd-source the answer to this question.  Of course i
will include the requisite warning against birding WHILE driving...  But
maybe someone has an answer they are passionate about. I'm thinking a hybrid
hybrid would have great appeal.  Or a self-driving Google car!

 

 

Dear Cornell Lab,

 

What is the best vehicle by which to bird in your opinion? What vehicle is
considered to be best to enjoy birding? Convenience, space, space to put
stuff and yet be handy, price, and of course view from all locations in
vehicle!

 

 

Thanks for any thoughts!

 

Marc Devokaitis

Cornell Lab of Ornithology

 

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Re:[cayugabirds-l] question of the day

[Marc Devokaitis]

Thanks to all who replied.

Marc



On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Marc Devokaitis mdevokai...@gmail.com
wrote:

 OK folks-- hoping to crowd-source the answer to this question.  Of course
 i will include the requisite warning against birding WHILE driving...  But
 maybe someone has an answer they are passionate about. I'm thinking a
 hybrid hybrid would have great appeal.  Or a self-driving Google car!


 *Dear Cornell Lab,*

 *What is the best vehicle by which to bird in your opinion? What vehicle
 is considered to be best to enjoy birding? Convenience, space, space to put
 stuff and yet be handy, price, and of course view from all locations in
 vehicle!*


 Thanks for any thoughts!

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 Cornell Lab of Ornithology



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Re: [cayugabirds-l] question of the day

[Scott Haber]

Could we possibly direct the rest of these responses directly to Marc, and
not to the list?

Thanks,
Scott

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Bill Mcaneny bmcane...@fltg.net wrote:

  Sitting in the bed of a pickup truck on a swivel chair with a cooler
 nearby.  You can see all, hear all, and be elevated above those nasty
 roadside weeds and shrubs.

 Bill McAneny


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 OK folks-- hoping to crowd-source the answer to this question.  Of course
 i will include the requisite warning against birding WHILE driving...  But
 maybe someone has an answer they are passionate about. I'm thinking a
 hybrid hybrid would have great appeal.  Or a self-driving Google car!





 *Dear Cornell Lab,*



 *What is the best vehicle by which to bird in your opinion? What vehicle
 is considered to be best to enjoy birding? Convenience, space, space to put
 stuff and yet be handy, price, and of course view from all locations in
 vehicle!*





 Thanks for any thoughts!



 Marc Devokaitis

 Cornell Lab of Ornithology



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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question on American Crow roost

[Anne Clark]

Hi Mona and all.

Thanks so much for the information.  I will answer Mona at greater length 
separately.  But I do want to take this chance to reiterate our interest in 
information like this about crow roosts around the state, in the context of a 
major two year study.  

Hopefully soon, but perhaps not in time for this winter, we will have a 
reporting website where details of location, size, etc for crow roosts can be 
left for us...as well as any negative comments about the effects of roosting 
crows.   It is in part those effects on which the study is focussed.  

The url will be www.crowroosts.org. 

Thus, if anyone is seeing regular night roosts of hundreds to thousands of 
crows anywhere in upstate NY, not just the Basin, I would greatly appreciate 
hearing about them.  Just drop me an email.  

Many thanks,

Anne


On Feb 21, 2015, at 9:10 AM, Mona Bearor wrote:

 We have discovered a very large American Crow roost in Glens Falls, Warren 
 county, NY.  Estimates are between 15 - 20,000 birds.  I have seen many birds 
 in past years heading this way but never tried to follow them till this year, 
 and they are roosting in an area that is difficult to observe - along a river 
 on commercial private property. This winter I have watched these birds come 
 in at night from all directions and various staging areas, and have seen them 
 at dawn heading out in all directions as well.  When out in the agricultural 
 areas east of the roost in Washington county where you can see for quite a 
 way, I often see crows heading in the general direction of this roost late in 
 the afternoon, but I may be 10 miles from the roost.  I am curious as to how 
 far these birds will travel to a roost.  Is there any data on this?  Is there 
 a way to scientifically gather data - that is, possibly having observers at 
 set distances in several directions to count birds when they are moving?  It 
 appears that some birds are moving in the direction of the roost in 
 mid-afternoon and others much later, so I am thinking it may be difficult to 
 get a handle on what is really happening.
  
 Any thoughts?
  
  
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 South Glens Falls, NY
  
  
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[cayugabirds-l] Question on American Crow roost

[Mona Bearor]

We have discovered a very large American Crow roost in Glens Falls, Warren 
county, NY.  Estimates are between 15 - 20,000 birds.  I have seen many birds 
in past years heading this way but never tried to follow them till this year, 
and they are roosting in an area that is difficult to observe - along a river 
on commercial private property. This winter I have watched these birds come in 
at night from all directions and various staging areas, and have seen them at 
dawn heading out in all directions as well.  When out in the agricultural areas 
east of the roost in Washington county where you can see for quite a way, I 
often see crows heading in the general direction of this roost late in the 
afternoon, but I may be 10 miles from the roost.  I am curious as to how far 
these birds will travel to a roost.  Is there any data on this?  Is there a way 
to scientifically gather data - that is, possibly having observers at set 
distances in several directions to count birds when they are moving?  It 
appears that some birds are moving in the direction of the roost in 
mid-afternoon and others much later, so I am thinking it may be difficult to 
get a handle on what is really happening.
 
Any thoughts?
 
 
Mona Bearor
South Glens Falls, NY
 
 

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[cayugabirds-l] Question about an usual oriole

[Marilyn Ray]

Off and on for about an hour this morning before going to work I watched 
a male Baltimore Oriole eating half an orange I had fixed to the railing 
of the deck.  It was definitely a male Baltimore Oriole but it's tail 
feathers had about an inch of quite yellow, not orange, at the tips.  It 
was absolutely beautiful.  Is this a known variant, or a common 
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[cayugabirds-l] question re: feeders and migration

[Eben McLane]

I am curious if anyone knows about migrating birds that appear regularly at 
feeders (home, CLO, anywhere bird feeders are maintained) and then disappear 
after a week or so. Do they use the feeders as a staging area, so to speak, for 
dispersal locally, or as a roadside tavern for a longer journey north? I 
suspect maybe a combination of these two, plus other possibilities that I can’t 
think of, which is why I throw the question out to you.

I understand that the White-crowned Sparrows at my feeders for the last three 
weeks are headed farther north, and probably soon. But I don’t understand why 
White-throated Sparrows (in abundance, and now singing lustily) also disappear 
around the same time. Maybe they’re North Ontario birds and migrating with the 
White-crowned? This goes on year after year, by my observation. Indigo Buntings 
also spend a week or so at the feeders, then simply disappear. In summer, I see 
the latter two species in habitats not much different from the land right 
around my house. So, I’m a little confused.

Any thoughts?

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] question re: feeders and migration

[Geo Kloppel]

Hi Eben,

White-throated Sparrows are common migrants in our area but quite uncommon as 
breeders (We're at the southern edge of their breeding range). So, they're not 
typical feeder birds for us in summer.

Indigo Buntings, on the other hand, are common breeders here. So you need a 
different explanation for not seeing much of them at your feeders in summer. 
I'd suggest that insects are that explanation. Insects and spiders form a big 
part of the Indigo Bunting's summer diet. So these birds arrive well behind the 
White-throated Sparrow pulse, just as insect populations are exploding. Soon 
their favorite foods are plentiful in the wild, and feeders just become less 
attractive.

-Geo Kloppel

On May 9, 2014, at 6:11 PM, Eben McLane etmcl...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am curious if anyone knows about migrating birds that appear regularly at 
 feeders (home, CLO, anywhere bird feeders are maintained) and then disappear 
 after a week or so. Do they use the feeders as a staging area, so to speak, 
 for dispersal locally, or as a roadside tavern for a longer journey north? I 
 suspect maybe a combination of these two, plus other possibilities that I 
 can’t think of, which is why I throw the question out to you.
 
 I understand that the White-crowned Sparrows at my feeders for the last three 
 weeks are headed farther north, and probably soon. But I don’t understand why 
 White-throated Sparrows (in abundance, and now singing lustily) also 
 disappear around the same time. Maybe they’re North Ontario birds and 
 migrating with the White-crowned? This goes on year after year, by my 
 observation. Indigo Buntings also spend a week or so at the feeders, then 
 simply disappear. In summer, I see the latter two species in habitats not 
 much different from the land right around my house. So, I’m a little confused.
 
 Any thoughts?
 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question about lower lake road

[nutter.dave]

The ice edge is a gathering place for ducks throughout the winter, but Lower Lake Road provides a prime spot for viewing.The melting of the southern ice edge northwards up to Lower Lake Road in early March typically coincides with the arrival of many Anas ducks, so it's a good time to search for Eurasian Wigeon before the ponds at Montezuma thaw out.There are also Snow Geese which spend much if not all of the winter resting in the middle of the widest part of Cayuga Lake, between Aurora and Dean's Cove, commuting to farm fields east and west of Cayuga Lake. On Sunday afternoon there was still a raft of Snow Geese in this location as well. I've seen a similar raft of Snow Geese on Seneca Lake below Sampson SP.I think the south end of the lake does rival in diversity, but certainly the north end is the prime gathering spot at the end of winter.--Dave NutterOn Mar 11, 2013, at 10:22 AM, Christopher Wood chris.w...@cornell.edu wrote:There are also different factors at play with different species and different individuals of the same species. Some, like Northern Pintail, American Black Duck, Mallard were waiting to be able to forage in fields (say at the Mucklands). So they tend to concentrate at the north end and then make flights up to those fields to see if there are areas to forage. Tundra Swans and Snow Geese do similar things (forage in muck). Snow Geese are shot at right now, so they stay out more toward the middle of the lake.   Aythya (Redhead, scaup) dive for food. As the lake opens in the spring, they follow the ice edge as it reveals foraging areas that were impossible to reach earlier in the year. So you have optimal staging for daily movements in some species, optimal foraging for others, migration staging for others compounded with the advantages of flocking for predator avoidance. All this leads to some very large concentrations with exceptional diversity at the north end of the lake in spring -- concentrations and levels of diversity that you never see at the south end at any season.   Christopher Wood  eBird Project Leader Cornell Lab of Ornithology http://ebird.org http://birds.cornell.edu On 3/11/13 10:38 AM, "Donna Scott" d...@cornell.edu wrote:  Interestingly, I live by the deepest part of the Lake, 430 feet deep, and I rarely get big concentrations of Snow geese or swans here. Now and then big rafts of diving ducks will go by or stay near the shallow edges for a while, but I almost never get all the big concentrations of geese, swans or duck rafts one sees up north or down by Ithaca.  Donna Scott  Sent from my iPhone Donna Scott  On Mar 11, 2013, at 10:31 AM, Geo Kloppel geoklop...@gmail.com wrote:   Those two factors (shallow water, ice shelf) are related; ice forms soonest and lingers longest over the shallows. Aquatic ecology (hence exploitable food resources) are also influenced by depth. And of course the north end of the lake is surrounded by marshes and agricultural lands that offer forage whenever the snow cover does not prevent it.The winter draw-down of lake level makes the shallows even shallower, almost like a tidal area.-Geo KloppelOn Mar 11, 2013, at 8:58 AM, John VanNiel vanni...@flcc.edu wrote:There was also an ice shelf there to loaf on...-Original Message-  From: bounce-75479805-3493...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-75479805-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Geo Kloppel  Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 8:06 AM  To: cayugabirds-l  Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question about lower lake roadI imagine a number of factors contribute to the attractive power of that area. Here's one: the lake is still broad there, but it's very shallow, mostly 5 - 6 ft.-Geo On Mar 11, 2013, at 1:29 AM, "Barbara B. Eden" b...@cornell.edu wrote:I am curious why that is the place where the snow geese and tundra swans congregateThanks,  Barbara--Cayugabirds-L List Info:  http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME  http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES   http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.h tmARCHIVES:  1) cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html'http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html  2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds  3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.htmlPlease submit your observations to eBird:  http://ebird.org/content/ebird/--  --Cayugabirds-L List Info:  http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME  http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES   http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.h tmARCHIVES:  1) cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html'http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html  2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds  3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.htmlPlease submit your observations to eBird:  http://ebird.org/content/ebird/----Cayugabird

Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question about lower lake road

[Geo Kloppel]

I imagine a number of factors contribute to the attractive power of that area. 
Here's one: the lake is still broad there, but it's very shallow, mostly 5 - 6 
ft. 

-Geo 

On Mar 11, 2013, at 1:29 AM, Barbara B. Eden b...@cornell.edu wrote:

 I am curious why that is the place where the snow geese and tundra swans 
 congregate
 
 Thanks,
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RE: [cayugabirds-l] Question about lower lake road

[John VanNiel]

There was also an ice shelf there to loaf on...

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Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question about lower lake road

I imagine a number of factors contribute to the attractive power of that area. 
Here's one: the lake is still broad there, but it's very shallow, mostly 5 - 6 
ft. 

-Geo 

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 I am curious why that is the place where the snow geese and tundra swans 
 congregate
 
 Thanks,
 Barbara

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question about lower lake road

[Geo Kloppel]

Those two factors (shallow water, ice shelf) are related; ice forms soonest and 
lingers longest over the shallows. Aquatic ecology (hence exploitable food 
resources) are also influenced by depth. And of course the north end of the 
lake is surrounded by marshes and agricultural lands that offer forage whenever 
the snow cover does not prevent it.

The winter draw-down of lake level makes the shallows even shallower, almost 
like a tidal area.

-Geo Kloppel

On Mar 11, 2013, at 8:58 AM, John VanNiel vanni...@flcc.edu wrote:

 There was also an ice shelf there to loaf on...
 
 -Original Message-
 From: bounce-75479805-3493...@list.cornell.edu 
 [mailto:bounce-75479805-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Geo Kloppel
 Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 8:06 AM
 To: cayugabirds-l
 Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question about lower lake road
 
 I imagine a number of factors contribute to the attractive power of that 
 area. Here's one: the lake is still broad there, but it's very shallow, 
 mostly 5 - 6 ft. 
 
 -Geo 
 
 On Mar 11, 2013, at 1:29 AM, Barbara B. Eden b...@cornell.edu wrote:
 
 I am curious why that is the place where the snow geese and tundra swans 
 congregate
 
 Thanks,
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question about lower lake road

[Donna Scott]

Interestingly, I live by the deepest part of the Lake, 430 feet deep, and I 
rarely get big concentrations of Snow geese or swans here.  
Now and then big rafts of diving ducks will go by or stay near the shallow 
edges for a while, but I almost never get all the big concentrations of geese, 
swans or duck rafts one sees up north or down by Ithaca. 
Donna Scott

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On Mar 11, 2013, at 10:31 AM, Geo Kloppel geoklop...@gmail.com wrote:

 Those two factors (shallow water, ice shelf) are related; ice forms soonest 
 and lingers longest over the shallows. Aquatic ecology (hence exploitable 
 food resources) are also influenced by depth. And of course the north end of 
 the lake is surrounded by marshes and agricultural lands that offer forage 
 whenever the snow cover does not prevent it.
 
 The winter draw-down of lake level makes the shallows even shallower, almost 
 like a tidal area.
 
 -Geo Kloppel
 
 On Mar 11, 2013, at 8:58 AM, John VanNiel vanni...@flcc.edu wrote:
 
 There was also an ice shelf there to loaf on...
 
 -Original Message-
 From: bounce-75479805-3493...@list.cornell.edu 
 [mailto:bounce-75479805-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Geo Kloppel
 Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 8:06 AM
 To: cayugabirds-l
 Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question about lower lake road
 
 I imagine a number of factors contribute to the attractive power of that 
 area. Here's one: the lake is still broad there, but it's very shallow, 
 mostly 5 - 6 ft. 
 
 -Geo 
 
 On Mar 11, 2013, at 1:29 AM, Barbara B. Eden b...@cornell.edu wrote:
 
 I am curious why that is the place where the snow geese and tundra swans 
 congregate
 
 Thanks,
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question about lower lake road

[Christopher Wood]

There are also different factors at play with different species and
different individuals of the same species. Some, like Northern Pintail,
American Black Duck, Mallard were waiting to be able to forage in fields
(say at the Mucklands). So they tend to concentrate at the north end and
then make flights up to those fields to see if there are areas to forage.
Tundra Swans and Snow Geese do similar things (forage in muck). Snow Geese
are shot at right now, so they stay out more toward the middle of the
lake. 

Aythya (Redhead, scaup) dive for food. As the lake opens in the spring,
they follow the ice edge as it reveals foraging areas that were impossible
to reach earlier in the year. So you have optimal staging for daily
movements in some species, optimal foraging for others, migration staging
for others compounded with the advantages of flocking for predator
avoidance. All this leads to some very large concentrations with
exceptional diversity at the north end of the lake in spring --
concentrations and levels of diversity that you never see at the south end
at any season. 

Christopher Wood

eBird Project Leader
Cornell Lab of Ornithology
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On 3/11/13 10:38 AM, Donna Scott d...@cornell.edu wrote:

Interestingly, I live by the deepest part of the Lake, 430 feet deep, and
I rarely get big concentrations of Snow geese or swans here.
Now and then big rafts of diving ducks will go by or stay near the
shallow edges for a while, but I almost never get all the big
concentrations of geese, swans or duck rafts one sees up north or down by
Ithaca. 
Donna Scott

Sent from my iPhone
Donna Scott

On Mar 11, 2013, at 10:31 AM, Geo Kloppel geoklop...@gmail.com wrote:

 Those two factors (shallow water, ice shelf) are related; ice forms
soonest and lingers longest over the shallows. Aquatic ecology (hence
exploitable food resources) are also influenced by depth. And of course
the north end of the lake is surrounded by marshes and agricultural
lands that offer forage whenever the snow cover does not prevent it.
 
 The winter draw-down of lake level makes the shallows even shallower,
almost like a tidal area.
 
 -Geo Kloppel
 
 On Mar 11, 2013, at 8:58 AM, John VanNiel vanni...@flcc.edu wrote:
 
 There was also an ice shelf there to loaf on...
 
 -Original Message-
 From: bounce-75479805-3493...@list.cornell.edu
[mailto:bounce-75479805-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Geo
Kloppel
 Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 8:06 AM
 To: cayugabirds-l
 Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question about lower lake road
 
 I imagine a number of factors contribute to the attractive power of
that area. Here's one: the lake is still broad there, but it's very
shallow, mostly 5 - 6 ft.
 
 -Geo 
 
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wrote:
 
 I am curious why that is the place where the snow geese and tundra
swans congregate
 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question about lower lake road

[Tom Vawter]

Yes, marshes and agricultural land is important.  In addition to the rafts
of waterfowl on the lake near Lower Lake Road, there were large
congregations--mostly snows--on the mucklands around Savannah yesterday
(3/10).  The western shore of the lake is also in the more protected,
windward side.

Tom Vawter

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 I imagine a number of factors contribute to the attractive power of that
 area. Here's one: the lake is still broad there, but it's very shallow,
 mostly 5 - 6 ft.

 -Geo

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  I am curious why that is the place where the snow geese and tundra swans
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  Thanks,
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question about lower lake road

[Geo Kloppel]

For birders who enjoy maps, the following link opens the official Cayuga and 
Seneca navigation chart (depths in feet):

http://www.canals.ny.gov/navinfo/charts/14786cs1.png

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[cayugabirds-l] Question about lower lake road

[Barbara B. Eden]

I am curious why that is the place where the snow geese and tundra swans 
congregate

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[cayugabirds-l] Question

[Susan Fast]

I was just looking in the field across the road from our house and noted
about a dozen crows really going after what I initially thought was another
crow.  This bird was slightly smaller than the crows, but otherwise looked,
from a distance, just like them.  The crows forced it to the ground;  2
crows then stood on either side of it while the rest circled and cawed
directly overhead and bombed it.  It then flew and I noted the under wing
pattern like a turkey vulture.  The bird was definitely not a vulture.  I
have not seen crows go after anything with this intensity unless it was a
great horned owl.  Could it have been a kite of some kind?  They all flew
rapidly off to the SE before I could get the scope.

 

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[Asher Hockett]

I am sure this is not a similar report - but last week on Comfort Rd a
bunch of crows  were harrassing a male Ringnecked Pheasant which was
standing in the road. As we approached the crows flew and the pheasant
moved slowly on foot towards the shoulder.

On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Susan Fast sustf...@yahoo.com wrote:

  I was just looking in the field across the road from our house and noted
 about a dozen crows really going after what I initially thought was another
 crow.  This bird was slightly smaller than the crows, but otherwise looked,
 from a distance, just like them.  The crows forced it to the ground;  2
 crows then stood on either side of it while the rest circled and cawed
 directly overhead and “bombed” it.  It then flew and I noted the under wing
 pattern like a turkey vulture.  The bird was definitely not a vulture.  I
 have not seen crows go after anything with this intensity unless it was a
 great horned owl.  Could it have been a kite of some kind?  They all flew
 rapidly off to the SE before I could get the scope.

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RE: [cayugabirds-l] Question about crows

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Crows will certainly chase and mob smallish raptors, such as Sharp-shinned or 
Cooper's (juvenile male) hawks.  It is rare for them ever to catch them in a 
truly vulnerable position, as you describe, but I'm sure they would take 
advantage of it if they could.

Crows also will occasionally kill Rock Pigeons, if they get the chance.  
Perhaps that is what you saw.  Crows love meat, but they're lousy predators 
without any of the sharp implements that hawks and owls have.  But, they're 
game for a try when the opportunity presents itself.

Best,

Kevin


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Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 11:03 AM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Question

I was just looking in the field across the road from our house and noted about 
a dozen crows really going after what I initially thought was another crow.  
This bird was slightly smaller than the crows, but otherwise looked, from a 
distance, just like them.  The crows forced it to the ground;  2 crows then 
stood on either side of it while the rest circled and cawed directly overhead 
and bombed it.  It then flew and I noted the under wing pattern like a turkey 
vulture.  The bird was definitely not a vulture.  I have not seen crows go 
after anything with this intensity unless it was a great horned owl.  Could it 
have been a kite of some kind?  They all flew rapidly off to the SE before I 
could get the scope.

Steve Fast
Brooktondale
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question on the Western Grebe ID

[Anne Marie Johnson]

  
  
Chris Wood's eBird post from his first sighting contains notes that
describe the field marks distinguishing the grebe from a Clark's
Grebe:
http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist?subID=S9554251

Anne Marie Johnson



On 2/4/2012 9:08 PM, david nicosia wrote:

  
I got a comment on my flickr account saying that the
  western grebe photos
I posted look more like a clark's grebe. This forced me to
  do a little research
on this as I have never been out west to have to learn to
  distinguish between
these two similar species.


The white lore would suggest a clark'sgrebe in non-breeding plumage
but I have read in several
field guides and on-line that western
grebes in non-breeding can show this too. The bill on the
  bird
I saw today was definitively olive-yellow and I had good
  lighting.
Is this the main field mark that is making this a
Western Grebe to everyone? Has anyone considered this
  could
be a clark's grebe? Just curious to what other's thought
  process was
on this. Thanks.


Dave Nicosia


  
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question on the Western Grebe ID

[david nicosia]

Here is the link to the photos I took of the
Western Grebe...they are all digi-scoped images. 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/davenicosia/sets/72157629174516367/ 


Dave Nicosia 




 From: Meena Haribal m...@cornell.edu
To: david nicosia daven1...@yahoo.com 
Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 7:21 AM
Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] Question on the Western Grebe ID
 

 
Dave, 
After seeing your pics, you seem to have been much closer than I am, the bill 
looks yellowish and pointed. Plus average more grayish white flanks on the back 
too.  I would also tend to call it Clark's Grebe. And I think you are the only 
one who got such detailed pictures. 
Here is Chris's link. Where you dont see much detail at all. 
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pinicola/6673387385/in/photostream/
 
So it would be interesting see what people would call it after your pics. 
You dont seem to have given link to your pics.
 
 Meena
 
Meena Haribal
Ithaca NY 14850
http://haribal.org/
http://meenaharibal.blogspot.com/
 


 
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[bounce-39530942-3493...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of david nicosia 
[daven1...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:08 PM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Question on the Western Grebe ID


I got a comment on my flickr account saying that the western grebe photos
I posted look more like a clark's grebe. This forced me to do a little research
on this as I have never been out west to have to learn to distinguish between
these two similar species. 

The white lore would suggest a clark's grebe in non-breeding plumage
but I have read in several field guides and on-line that western
grebes in non-breeding can show this too. The bill on the bird
I saw today was definitively olive-yellow and I had good lighting.
Is this the main field mark that is making this a
Western Grebe to everyone?  Has anyone considered this could
be a clark's grebe? Just curious to what other's thought process was
on this.  Thanks. 

Dave Nicosia 

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question on the Western Grebe ID

[Gary Kohlenberg]

Hi Dave,
Nice shots. I'm sending a link to the ones I took on Fri., the 3rd, which show 
the view of the hind neck.
I struggled with the separation of Western / Clark's because I don't have 
experience with either bird. I didn't doubt the great birders that found and 
ID'd this guy as Western, but took the opportunity to refine my eye. The field 
guides like Sibley's / Crossley's etc. leave some ambiguity with these guys. 
What I wondered about was light lores and the lighter shading of the flanks 
with a plain demarkation which seems to fall more in line with the Clark's 
illustrations.
The light lores can show in both I gather and the bill is definitely more to 
the olive-yellow end than bright yellow at least in the light that I had, which 
wasn't bad. The hind neck black stripe is broad as you can see in my photo and 
the illustrations of Clark's narrower stripe would seem to be distinctive 
enough to catch my eye. I didn't get any shots of a spread wing. What 
ultimately makes me confident is that I heard this guy vocalizing several 
times. Listening to Lang's recording of both species I have no doubt I was 
hearing a Western Grebe. Clarks Grebe has more of a clear whistle quality than 
the vibrato that reached my ear.

This is a great bird and learning experience. I was excited to finally get look 
after several trips into the wind and waves.

Happy birding,

Gary

https://picasaweb.google.com/103826758925032410864/WesternGrebe?authuser=0authkey=Gv1sRgCObEttC66ZHZjAEfeat=directlink




On Feb 5, 2012, at 9:13 AM, david nicosia wrote:

Here is the link to the photos I took of the
Western Grebe...they are all digi-scoped images.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/davenicosia/sets/72157629174516367/

Dave Nicosia


From: Meena Haribal m...@cornell.edumailto:m...@cornell.edu
To: david nicosia daven1...@yahoo.commailto:daven1...@yahoo.com
Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 7:21 AM
Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] Question on the Western Grebe ID

Dave,
After seeing your pics, you seem to have been much closer than I am, the bill 
looks yellowish and pointed. Plus average more grayish white flanks on the back 
too.  I would also tend to call it Clark's Grebe. And I think you are the only 
one who got such detailed pictures.
Here is Chris's link. Where you dont see much detail at all.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/pinicola/6673387385/in/photostream/

So it would be interesting see what people would call it after your pics. You 
dont seem to have given link to your pics.

 Meena

Meena Haribal
Ithaca NY 14850
http://haribal.org/
http://meenaharibal.blogspot.com/


From: 
bounce-39530942-3493...@list.cornell.edumailto:bounce-39530942-3493...@list.cornell.edu
 [bounce-39530942-3493...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of david nicosia 
[daven1...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:08 PM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Question on the Western Grebe ID

I got a comment on my flickr account saying that the western grebe photos
I posted look more like a clark's grebe. This forced me to do a little research
on this as I have never been out west to have to learn to distinguish between
these two similar species.

The white lore would suggest a clark's grebe in non-breeding plumage
but I have read in several field guides and on-line that western
grebes in non-breeding can show this too. The bill on the bird
I saw today was definitively olive-yellow and I had good lighting.
Is this the main field mark that is making this a
Western Grebe to everyone?  Has anyone considered this could
be a clark's grebe? Just curious to what other's thought process was
on this.  Thanks.

Dave Nicosia

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RE: [cayugabirds-l] Question on the Western Grebe ID

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Great shots, guys!  Wow, you sure saw it better than I did.

It's an interesting question about species ID.  I don't have enough experience 
with the species pair to be overly confident, but I'd have to come down on the 
side of Western here, or perhaps a hybrid.

The face appears paler than a typical winter Western Grebe, but the eye is not 
close to showing out of the dark the way a Clark's should.  The flanks are 
pale, but they do not ever appear as having white in them the way Clark's do.  
The bill is olive-yellow, not clear yellow, and there is an obvious dark bottom 
edge that is typical of Western.  Gary's shot of the back of the neck is pretty 
convincingly wide and dark.

Great bird.  Let's keep the photos coming.

Kevin



From: bounce-39533224-3493...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-39533224-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Gary Kohlenberg
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:18 AM
To: david nicosia
Cc: Meena Haribal; CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question on the Western Grebe ID

Hi Dave,
Nice shots. I'm sending a link to the ones I took on Fri., the 3rd, which show 
the view of the hind neck.
I struggled with the separation of Western / Clark's because I don't have 
experience with either bird. I didn't doubt the great birders that found and 
ID'd this guy as Western, but took the opportunity to refine my eye. The field 
guides like Sibley's / Crossley's etc. leave some ambiguity with these guys. 
What I wondered about was light lores and the lighter shading of the flanks 
with a plain demarkation which seems to fall more in line with the Clark's 
illustrations.
The light lores can show in both I gather and the bill is definitely more to 
the olive-yellow end than bright yellow at least in the light that I had, which 
wasn't bad. The hind neck black stripe is broad as you can see in my photo and 
the illustrations of Clark's narrower stripe would seem to be distinctive 
enough to catch my eye. I didn't get any shots of a spread wing. What 
ultimately makes me confident is that I heard this guy vocalizing several 
times. Listening to Lang's recording of both species I have no doubt I was 
hearing a Western Grebe. Clarks Grebe has more of a clear whistle quality than 
the vibrato that reached my ear.

This is a great bird and learning experience. I was excited to finally get look 
after several trips into the wind and waves.

Happy birding,

Gary

https://picasaweb.google.com/103826758925032410864/WesternGrebe?authuser=0authkey=Gv1sRgCObEttC66ZHZjAEfeat=directlink




On Feb 5, 2012, at 9:13 AM, david nicosia wrote:

Here is the link to the photos I took of the
Western Grebe...they are all digi-scoped images.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/davenicosia/sets/72157629174516367/

Dave Nicosia


From: Meena Haribal m...@cornell.edumailto:m...@cornell.edu
To: david nicosia daven1...@yahoo.commailto:daven1...@yahoo.com
Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 7:21 AM
Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] Question on the Western Grebe ID

Dave,
After seeing your pics, you seem to have been much closer than I am, the bill 
looks yellowish and pointed. Plus average more grayish white flanks on the back 
too.  I would also tend to call it Clark's Grebe. And I think you are the only 
one who got such detailed pictures.
Here is Chris's link. Where you dont see much detail at all.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/pinicola/6673387385/in/photostream/

So it would be interesting see what people would call it after your pics. You 
dont seem to have given link to your pics.

 Meena

Meena Haribal
Ithaca NY 14850
http://haribal.org/
http://meenaharibal.blogspot.com/


From: 
bounce-39530942-3493...@list.cornell.edumailto:bounce-39530942-3493...@list.cornell.edu
 [bounce-39530942-3493...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of david nicosia 
[daven1...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:08 PM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Question on the Western Grebe ID
I got a comment on my flickr account saying that the western grebe photos
I posted look more like a clark's grebe. This forced me to do a little research
on this as I have never been out west to have to learn to distinguish between
these two similar species.

The white lore would suggest a clark's grebe in non-breeding plumage
but I have read in several field guides and on-line that western
grebes in non-breeding can show this too. The bill on the bird
I saw today was definitively olive-yellow and I had good lighting.
Is this the main field mark that is making this a
Western Grebe to everyone?  Has anyone considered this could
be a clark's grebe? Just curious to what other's thought process was
on this.  Thanks.

Dave Nicosia

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RE: [cayugabirds-l] Question on the Western Grebe ID

[Wesley M Hochachka]

Hi all,

   I have been fortunate enough to have some experience comparing Western and 
Clark's Grebes side by side, both in the breeding season and winter.  Relevant 
to this thread, my experience is that:

-  At a distance or first glance the most obvious difference between 
the species is that Clark's Grebes appear not just subtly lighter in shade 
along their sides, but are blatantly lighter to the extent that even a quick 
scan of a mixed-species group can pick out pick out Clark's Grebes typically as 
being essentially white in appearance along their flanks.

-  To me the second most obvious feature distinguishing the two species 
is bill colour.  Again, my impression is that the distinction between the 
species is not subtle as long as one is not colour blind.  Specifically, I 
found that Clark's Grebes have a clearly warm (reddish-orange) colour cast, 
whereas Western Grebes' bills have a cool green colour cast.  So, to my eye, 
the difference in bill colour is greater than is illustrated for example in the 
Sibley guide, and in direct comparisons between the species I have found that 
this difference pops out quickly in reasonable lighting conditions.

-  For wintering grebes, my impression is that the amount of white on 
the side of the face is a far less clear differentiator of the two species than 
the above two characteristics.  In side-by-side comparisons of the two species, 
I could see consistent differences.  However, in order to find a pair of nearby 
birds to compare, I would have used flank shade and bill colour to pick out the 
pair, and then spend time looking carefully at the faces.
All in all, I think that Dave's nice photos show all of the characteristics of 
a Western Grebe, without any clear suggestions of Clark's.  All of the above 
just echoes what Chris wrote in his eBird checklist, to which Anne Marie 
pointed people.  I figured that it would be useful to chime in as to which of 
the characteristics Chris mentioned are the ones that a lesser mortal would 
most immediately notice as differentiating the two species in winter.

Wesley Hochachka



From: bounce-39533270-3494...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-39533270-3494...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Kevin J. McGowan
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:49 AM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] Question on the Western Grebe ID

Great shots, guys!  Wow, you sure saw it better than I did.

It's an interesting question about species ID.  I don't have enough experience 
with the species pair to be overly confident, but I'd have to come down on the 
side of Western here, or perhaps a hybrid.

The face appears paler than a typical winter Western Grebe, but the eye is not 
close to showing out of the dark the way a Clark's should.  The flanks are 
pale, but they do not ever appear as having white in them the way Clark's do.  
The bill is olive-yellow, not clear yellow, and there is an obvious dark bottom 
edge that is typical of Western.  Gary's shot of the back of the neck is pretty 
convincingly wide and dark.

Great bird.  Let's keep the photos coming.

Kevin



From: 
bounce-39533224-3493...@list.cornell.edumailto:bounce-39533224-3493...@list.cornell.edu
 
[mailto:bounce-39533224-3493...@list.cornell.edu]mailto:[mailto:bounce-39533224-3493...@list.cornell.edu]
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Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:18 AM
To: david nicosia
Cc: Meena Haribal; CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Question on the Western Grebe ID

Hi Dave,
Nice shots. I'm sending a link to the ones I took on Fri., the 3rd, which show 
the view of the hind neck.
I struggled with the separation of Western / Clark's because I don't have 
experience with either bird. I didn't doubt the great birders that found and 
ID'd this guy as Western, but took the opportunity to refine my eye. The field 
guides like Sibley's / Crossley's etc. leave some ambiguity with these guys. 
What I wondered about was light lores and the lighter shading of the flanks 
with a plain demarkation which seems to fall more in line with the Clark's 
illustrations.
The light lores can show in both I gather and the bill is definitely more to 
the olive-yellow end than bright yellow at least in the light that I had, which 
wasn't bad. The hind neck black stripe is broad as you can see in my photo and 
the illustrations of Clark's narrower stripe would seem to be distinctive 
enough to catch my eye. I didn't get any shots of a spread wing. What 
ultimately makes me confident is that I heard this guy vocalizing several 
times. Listening to Lang's recording of both species I have no doubt I was 
hearing a Western Grebe. Clarks Grebe has more of a clear whistle quality than 
the vibrato that reached my ear.

This is a great bird and learning experience. I was excited to finally get look 
after several trips into the wind and waves.

Happy birding,

Gary

https://picasaweb.google.com/103826758925032410864/WesternGrebe?authuser=0authkey

Re: [cayugabirds-l] question on Snowy's locale

[Jae Sullivan]

 Sent:Wednesday, February 1, 2012 10:28 PM
Subject:Re: [cayugabirds-l] question on Snowy's locale
 

No, just Chiropractic College at the back.






 From: Mark Miller mmiller...@rochester.rr.com
To: Cayugabirds Posting Cayugabirds-L@cornell.edu 
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 9:48 PM
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] question on Snowy's locale
 

Just wondering if you had a better location for possible 
Snowy Owl location by Chiropractic College (Seneca Falls). The campus doesn't 
actually lie along routes 520. Maybe they meant route 89 and E. Bayard St. 
(NE corner of campus)?
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[cayugabirds-l] question on Snowy's locale

[Mark Miller]

Just wondering if you had a better location for possible Snowy Owl location by 
Chiropractic College (Seneca Falls). The campus doesn't actually lie along 
routes 520. Maybe they meant route 89 and E. Bayard St. (NE corner of campus)?
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[cayugabirds-l] Question: Pileated WP

[Susan Fast]

We have a PILEATED WOODPECKER coming daily to our suet feeders.  I thought
it was a female as it lacked the red cheek stripe.  However, the red crest
extends forward of the eye to the base of the bill, as Sibley shows for the
male.  What's happening here?

 

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] question

[joe Diana]

 Hi Alicia and Dave, That's interesting. I guess the idea occurred to me when I 
saw the other one sitting by the female. I don't get to watch them for extended 
periods of time so I am curious. Thanks, Diana
On Feb 17, 2011, at 7:34 PM, Alicia Plotkin wrote:

 Hi,
 
  I haven't been up to watch the eagles in 15 yrs or more, but lived in 
 Seneca Falls from 1985-1995 and during much of that time the only eagles that 
 successfully fledging young were The Trio, two males and a female.  I was 
 told by the man who observed the nest that only one of the males bred with 
 the female, and that in fact there was some courtship behavior between the 
 two males but not between the 'other' male and the female.  All three 
 participated in feeding the young but the 'other' male played the smallest 
 role.  The three birds in the trio did not seem to be related - the two males 
 had been banded as fledglings and their background was known - and it wasn't 
 clear why they went on as a trio year after year, but they did successfully 
 fledge many young and I heard they continued to do so after we moved away.  
 Don't know if the eagles you saw are some of the same birds - I guess eagles 
 can live to be 30 yrs or more, but I think it was back in 1987 that the trio 
 first fledged young, and they would certainly be getting close to 30 now.
 
  Best -
 
   Alicia
 
 On 2/17/2011 6:59 PM, joe  Diana wrote:
 
  Hi All,
  I watched the Eagles on Armatage Road last weekend and got a good close up 
 one of them mating. While observing them, I noticed the third bird in the 
 distance not too far away form the pair I photographed. I  later saw the odd 
 bird fly and sit next to the female near the nest. Believe me, It was hard, 
 but I was keeping track. What I wonder is if this bird may reap some fringe 
 benefits from  helping the mated pair' like I've read about some other 
 species that spread their genes in this manner. 
 http://www.dianawhitingphotography.com/Galleries/Birds/Birds-of-Prey/13273665_xTBkm#1190296947_6qd6X
  The other question is, whether there was just Hoary Redpolls at Beaver Lake 
 or was there some Greater Redpolls in there for further confusion? Joe Brin 
 was kind enough to point out the differences which were easier to see when 
 they were on the feeder together. When I got home, and looked at the website 
 with all the variations, I was confused again. Here are some photos for the 
 experts. It really is a good place to view them in the comfort of the nature 
 center with some good company.
  
 http://www.dianawhitingphotography.com/Galleries/Birds/Passerines/12959449_nvru5#1190605876_FARJC
 http://www.dianawhitingphotography.com/Galleries/Birds/Passerines/12959449_nvru5#1190612461_T9yTK
 http://www.dianawhitingphotography.com/Galleries/Birds/Passerines/12959449_nvru5#1190620272_Epfmh
 http://www.dianawhitingphotography.com/Galleries/Birds/Passerines/12959449_nvru5#1190635861_Rqasd
  
  Diana Whiting
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[cayugabirds-l] Question

[Kurt Falvey]

We built a Kestrel house and a Screech Owl  house and put them out last
spring.with no takers.now they are occupied by squirrels.  Our question
is.will a Kestrel or Screech Owl dislodge a squirrel from a prospective
nesting sight?  Or are we going to have to build more nest boxes?

 

Thanks.

 

Kurt

 

  

 

Julie  Kurt

Broken Road Farms

Dundee, NY 14837

 

Email: k...@brokenroadfarms.com

 

www.BrokenRoadFarms.com

 


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