Re: [ccp4bb] Primary source for detergent properties

2007-10-23 Thread Jacob Keller
Well, perhaps my inquiry to Anatrace for such a resource (wiki?) will work out. It was suggested to me that I thus inquire by somebody on this list. They probably have a lot of data which they have not published anywhere, for whatever reason. Hope that won't scoop you, or perhaps you would be wi

Re: [ccp4bb] Primary source for detergent properties

2007-10-23 Thread Martin.Caffrey
I have found Bob Laughlin's book 'The Aqueous Phase Behavior of Surfactants' to be a useful resource on detergents. It has several relevant phase diagrams. Heavy on the P. Chem. Then there is the mother of all info in the area "Critical micelle concentrations of aqueous surfactant systems" a

Re: [ccp4bb] Primary source for detergent properties

2007-10-23 Thread Sue Roberts
There is a series of books - Surfactant science series which has some of this information. I'm familiar with the Nonionic Surfactants, Anionic Surfactants, and Cationic Surfactants books (they have unattractive green covers) from the days when I used to work for a soap company. One probl

Re: [ccp4bb] Twinning

2007-10-23 Thread Peter Zwart
Hi Dirk, Nice cross validation flags for twin refinement do obey the twin law: if (h,k,l) is in the free set, then (k, h, -l) should be as well. Same is/should be true for work set btw. In phenix, we generate test reflections that follow the lattice symmetry (*). This means that even if you do n

Re: [ccp4bb] Primary source for detergent properties

2007-10-23 Thread Nadir T. Mrabet
Hi, The only published compendium on detergents still available (to my knowledge) is http://www.merckbiosciences.co.uk/docs/docs/LIT/CB0068_M.pdf. No phase diagrams though. Regards, Pr. Nadir T. Mrabet Cellular & Molecular Biochemistry INSERM U-724 UHP - Nancy 1, School of Medicine

Re: [ccp4bb] Twinning

2007-10-23 Thread Peter Zwart
try using phenix.refine and use TLS. it might help lowering Rfree (or raising Rwork). P 2007/10/23, john kryst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi CCP4bb , > > Thanks for your suggestions... here is the summary of the > structure... > > I am working in deletion and point mutants. I have a

Re: [ccp4bb] Twinning

2007-10-23 Thread Dirk Kostrewa
Hi John, if I understand the "make_cv_twin.inp" correctly, then this script takes care about separating reflections related by the twin law to avoid a potential bias of the Free-R set with twin-law-related reflections from the working set. At least, in the source of this script I read the

Re: [ccp4bb] MR with 40% identical model failed

2007-10-23 Thread Juergen Bosch
1) How can I make a mask as mentioned above? Am I doing it the wrong way? You can run NCSMASK with your first placed domain and generate a suitable mask file for DM. 2) Is there any other method to improve the density of the missing structure? I tried several MR probes of the sec

Re: [ccp4bb] MR with 40% identical model failed

2007-10-23 Thread James Whisstock
Hi Have you checked for twinning? J TC Hu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > Dear all, > > > > I am working on a structure which is composed of two domains. The X-ray > data > is quite good (P21, 2.2A, Rmerge=0.08, 93% completeness), there is one > molecule (277 residues) per ASU. The structure h

Re: [ccp4bb] Fw: Re: [ccp4bb] Twinning

2007-10-23 Thread Jorge Iulek
Yes, I should explain better "that might not justify all your observations"; in more details, if such care (free set considered the twin law) was not taken it is probable that the gap between R and R-free is even larger, as Anastassis points. Might R-free become a "reasonable" value in this

Re: [ccp4bb] Fw: Re: [ccp4bb] Twinning

2007-10-23 Thread Anastassis Perrakis
But, if that was the case, wouldn't you expect the opposite, Rfree to be too close to R ? here they appear to be too different ! in other words: if Rfree is not 'really free due to twin law' i would expect R/Rfree to be too close, not too far ! A. On Oct 23, 2007, at 13:58, Jorge Iulek wro

Re: [ccp4bb] Twinning

2007-10-23 Thread john kryst
Hi CCP4bb , Thanks for your suggestions... here is the summary of the structure... I am working in deletion and point mutants. I have a mutant (P61 resoln 3.1A) with partial twinning with twinning fraction 0.28. Wilson b-factor is 50. The data collected in the home source with norma

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2007-10-23 Thread Gordon Leonard
Apologies (once again) for the non-CCP4 nature of the advertisement below  - Gordon The Partnership for Structural Biology (PSB) is an international consortium comprising the European Synchrotron Radiation Facili

Re: [ccp4bb] MR with 40% identical model failed

2007-10-23 Thread Anastassis Perrakis
The R and Rfree after refining domain 1 are 39% and 44%. The density is good for the existing model but disconnected in the missing part of the structure in which I can hardly place any residue. 2) Is there any other method to improve the density of the missing structure? I tried sever

Re: [ccp4bb] Primary source for detergent properties

2007-10-23 Thread R.M. Garavito
Jacob, Actually, there is no real definitive compendium of detergents and their properties (solubility, CMC, aggregation number, etc.). Because of their importance to industry, commercial compendia, as Anatrace's catalog, are often the most complete. However, most commercial compendia a

[ccp4bb] MR with 40% identical model failed

2007-10-23 Thread TC Hu
Dear all, I am working on a structure which is composed of two domains. The X-ray data is quite good (P21, 2.2A, Rmerge=0.08, 93% completeness), there is one molecule (277 residues) per ASU. The structure has four homologous structures with sequence identities ranging from 35%-40%. The four stru

Re: [ccp4bb] Twinning

2007-10-23 Thread Boaz Shaanan
Hi, How good/bad is the geometry of your model (as judged by the usual criteria either in procheck of molprobity) ? Boaz - Original Message - From: john kryst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 7:04 Subject: [ccp4bb] Twinning To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Hi cc

[ccp4bb] Fw: Re: [ccp4bb] Twinning

2007-10-23 Thread Jorge Iulek
John, One other point to be added, although that might not justify all your observations, is to be sure that the R-free set was chosen respecting the twin law. Both phenix and CNS (not automatically) can do this. Of course, as pointed before, when you change your R-free set, you should "ann

Re: [ccp4bb] dictionary for DNA in Coot/Refmac

2007-10-23 Thread Dirk Kostrewa
Hi Sabine, in addition to what Christian has written, please, also check whether the ribose atom names contain a "*" instead of "'" to conform with the PDB convention. Best regards, Dirk. Am 22.10.2007 um 21:37 schrieb Christian Biertumpfel: Hi Sabine, Your problem might be an issue of

Re: [ccp4bb] Twinning

2007-10-23 Thread Tim Gruene
There might be a few reasons for these R-values which seem to contradict experience: 1) The starting phases result from MR where the model is very close and from a data set at higher resolution. If your 3.1A data are of respectable quality, the model would still correspond well to the data,