Re: [ccp4bb] Problems with refinement of nucleic acid structure

2020-07-31 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Is the R factor for the best solution really > 40% - if so there must be some major errors to correct. Eleanor On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 at 11:08, John R Helliwell wrote: > Dear Rafal, > The difference map you show in your attachment has an echo of the main > structure sort of look. So, I suggest you

Re: [ccp4bb] Problems with refinement of nucleic acid structure

2020-07-31 Thread John R Helliwell
Dear Rafal, The difference map you show in your attachment has an echo of the main structure sort of look. So, I suggest you examine your diffraction images specifically looking out for a supercell of weak intensity spots, not picked up by the autoindexing, between the main lattice of

Re: [ccp4bb] Problems with refinement of nucleic acid structure

2020-07-30 Thread Tim Gruene
Dear Rafal, with such a small molecule, and if you really have 1.0A resolution, you should be able to solve the structure by direct methods with shelxt. By default, shelxt searches all space groups in the Laue group. The output will not be very practical to assign residue, etc. but at least it

[ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] Problems with refinement of nucleic acid structure

2020-07-30 Thread Schreuder, Herman /DE
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: CCP4 bulletin board Im Auftrag von Rafal Dolot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Juli 2020 14:06 An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Betreff: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] Problems with refinement of nucleic acid structure EXTERNAL : Real sender is owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk

Re: [ccp4bb] Problems with refinement of nucleic acid structure

2020-07-30 Thread Rafal Dolot
Dear all, Thank you for the response. I will try to explain it more precisely. The molecule of interest is a duplex with 9 nt length, but is paired on the length of eight bases, with overhangs at ends. Molecules form a parallel strings across the crystal lattice, parallel to C-axis, because

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] [ccp4bb] Problems with refinement of nucleic acid structure

2020-07-29 Thread Jon Cooper
>> conformation, so it might be a good idea to test if this is also true for >> nucleotides. >> >> Best, Herman >> >> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- >> Von: CCP4 bulletin board Im Auftrag von Rafal Dolot >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Juli 202

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] [ccp4bb] Problems with refinement of nucleic acid structure

2020-07-29 Thread Eleanor Dodson
gliche Nachricht- > Von: CCP4 bulletin board Im Auftrag von Rafal > Dolot > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Juli 2020 14:42 > An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Betreff: [EXTERNAL] [ccp4bb] Problems with refinement of nucleic acid > structure > > EXTERNAL : Real sender is owner-ccp..

[ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] [ccp4bb] Problems with refinement of nucleic acid structure

2020-07-29 Thread Schreuder, Herman /DE
, 29. Juli 2020 14:42 An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Betreff: [EXTERNAL] [ccp4bb] Problems with refinement of nucleic acid structure EXTERNAL : Real sender is owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk Dear CCP4 users, I'm working on the another nucleic acid duplex structure. After several stages of rebuilding

Re: [ccp4bb] Problems in refinement

2011-05-27 Thread Jan Dohnalek
In the last months we have seen different versions of Refmac give different maps when displayed in Coot, i.e. one version giving nicer agreement and no difference peaks in some difficult areas and another version resulting in sharp differences where it was hard to build the protein. We did not

Re: [ccp4bb] Problems in refinement

2011-05-27 Thread Petr Kolenko
Dear colleagues, regarding Q2: I do not use TLS parameters, the space group is P1, and yesterday I tried to refine the structure with anisotropic ADP (60,000 reflections against 50,000 parameters) - no positive maximums. Then I used the anisotropic model as input and refined isotropically, the

Re: [ccp4bb] Problems in refinement

2011-05-27 Thread Garib N Murshudov
Dear Petr Newer version of refmac is 5.6 and it should be available from ccp4 soon. Meanwhile you can try this version from this website http://www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/refmac/data/refmac_experimental/refmac5.6_linux.tar.gz There are versions for mac etc also. regards and I hope you will sort

Re: [ccp4bb] Problems in refinement

2011-05-27 Thread Petr Kolenko
Dear colleagues, Q2 is solved by new installation of Refmac. Many thanks for your time and effort. I appreciate all your comments. Petr 2011/5/27 David Cobessi david.cobe...@ibs.fr: Dear Petr, Before running Refmac, you have to remove the ANISOU line using pdbset for example. In fact you

Re: [ccp4bb] Problems in refinement

2011-05-27 Thread Dale Tronrud
There has been a serious problem in Refmac which apparently Garib has fixed in this new release. When calculating structure factors for models in space group P1 Refmac would lose some of the atoms. I first ran into the problem by looking at the Electron Density Server map for entry 3LEN.

Re: [ccp4bb] Problems in refinement

2011-05-26 Thread Eleanor Dodson
How very odd! I have no ideas on the Zn phenonema - what do the R factor plots look like against resolution - is there some aberrant reflection which was part of the FreeR set? The theory is that excluding 5% of the data should not affect the model seriously at all.. Re the 2nd point. Two

Re: [ccp4bb] Problems in refinement

2011-05-26 Thread Jürgen Bosch
60% occupied Zn site perhaps ? Q2 do you have leftover atoms from a previous dual conformation refinement ? Try deleting the corresponding residues in a texteditor and not coot to ensure they are really gone, then rebuild the section into the new diff- map. Jürgen .. Jürgen

Re: [ccp4bb] Problems in refinement

2011-05-26 Thread Petr Kolenko
Dear colleagues, Thanks for the responses. But, Zn occupancy is not an issue. There is positive maximum, not negative. And Q2, I tried to do it in coot and also in text editor. Both results were the same. And I double-checked the line for the atoms in the pdb file for ADP and occupancy. Regarding

Re: [ccp4bb] Problems in refinement

2011-05-26 Thread Mark J van Raaij
regarding the first question - is it now not much more common to refine only against work reflections, and not do a final refinement agains all reflections? (avoids the problem rather than solve it, I admit) regarding the second question - if you take the model from refmac and calculate a map

Re: [ccp4bb] Problems in refinement

2011-05-26 Thread Garib N Murshudov
If you are using TLS refinement the please check TLS definitions.It may be that atoms for which you have positive density are not in TLS definitions. Try to use without TLS. regards Garib On 26 May 2011, at 11:11, Petr Kolenko wrote: Dear colleagues, I have two problems in two structure

Re: [ccp4bb] Problems in refinement with NCS and B-values

2007-07-25 Thread Eleanor Dodson
If you have used TLS the B factors listed for the residues are the residual values AFTER the TLS is applied so they are correctly restrained to be quite close - the differences in the molecules should be expressed in the hard-to-visualise TLS parameters. The first check is to run TLSANL and