Re: [ccp4bb] Protein melting temperatures

2011-09-28 Thread Patrick Shaw Stewart
I actually think you *can *make comparisons between different proteins. We heard a very nice talk by Jose Marquez about exactly this at the RAMC meeting recently. Basically, 45C seemed to be the dividing line. If your protein melts below this it's a bad sign for crystallization and may point to

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein melting temperatures

2011-09-28 Thread Artem Evdokimov
For what it's worth, we've been using thermofluor to compare the 'apparent' melting points of enzymes with their thermal stability measured as inhibition of their respective reactions by elevated temperature. The data so far make sense - the differences in apparent enzyme Tm (using the same

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein melting temperatures

2011-09-28 Thread Bosch, Juergen
We have proteins that melt at 60˚C but they don't crystallize. According to your 45 degree rule we should have crystals, what are we doing wrong ? Jürgen On Sep 28, 2011, at 10:05 AM, Artem Evdokimov wrote: For what it's worth, we've been using thermofluor to compare the 'apparent' melting

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein melting temperatures

2011-09-28 Thread Linda Schuldt
Dear Raji, what exactly do you mean when you say the melting temperature is 45deg. Did you only test one buffer, or did you test many buffers and 45deg is the most stable one? If you have only tested one buffer you should run a screen testing different buffer systems (pH) and e.g. NaCl

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein melting temperatures

2011-09-28 Thread sankaranarayanan srinivasan
This paper on thermofluor is a good reference and if you have access to a real time PCR machine, different buffer systems, like the PACT screen can be evaluated within an hour to find out the buffer in which your protein is most stable. It gives the Tm of your protein and if you have a high

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein melting temperatures

2011-09-28 Thread Patrick Shaw Stewart
Susan and everyone, I should apologise for any confusion that I may have caused. Rajiv actually asked his question a year ago, and I accidentally replied to it a year too late! It's an interesting question though Patrick On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Linda Schuldt lschu...@mb.au.dk wrote:

[ccp4bb] Protein melting temperatures

2010-09-23 Thread Raji Edayathumangalam
Hi Folks, Sorry for the pre-xtallo question; pre-xtallo right now, but hoping to take my protein the xtallo way one of these days! I am currently performing Thermofluor assays with my protein and the results show that the Tm is ~45C. I am looking for some examples of proteins and their

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein melting temperatures

2010-09-23 Thread Daniel Bonsor
There is a nice paper Comput Biol Chem. 2009 Dec;33(6):445-50. Epub 2009 Oct 20. Predicting melting temperature directly from protein sequences. Ku T, Lu P, Chan C, Wang T, Lai S, Lyu P, Hsiao N. They have a list of 35 different proteins with their Tms with the references from where they

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein melting temperatures

2010-09-23 Thread Tim Gruene
Not sure whether this is the kind of information you are looking for: The protein with PDB-ID 1ofc had a melting temperature of 37deg (from CD), which was supported by the fact that it did not express in E.coli at that temperature. At 20deg it expressed to about 60mg / (liter LB), could be

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein melting temperatures

2010-09-23 Thread Anastassis Perrakis
Hello - The excellent paper of McCrary, uses differential scanning calorimetry, which will give an absolute measure of thermostability. Using Thermofluor I would be afraid you can only assess the relative thermostability of one protein in different conditions. As your fluorescence reporter

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein melting temperatures

2010-09-23 Thread Thomas J Magliery PhD
I agree that you can't take two unrelated proteins and expect their Thermofluor Tms will be correlated with CD/DSC values. We've done quite a bit with point mutants, and it works well for that (see an example in our paper below). Also note that the dye is a perturbant the reduces the