Re: [ccp4bb] Problems with phasing a protein (1300aa)

2009-03-20 Thread Peter Zwart
> Sure, no while lines considered in the edge calc, for example. That and (more important) that 2*abs(a-b)/(a+b) > 2*abs(sqrt(a)-sqrt(b))/(sqrt(a)+sqrt(b)) See Acta Cryst. D61, 1437–1448. (btw, while is overrated, use for and a break statement) p

Re: [ccp4bb] Problems with phasing a protein (1300aa)

2009-03-20 Thread Ho-Leung Ng
I think you need to first address the issue of radiation damage. Radiation damage can prevent you from solving the structure even before it affects Rsym or I/sigma. I haven't merged data from multiple crystals to solve a MAD structure, but I'd try it in your case, with inverse beam data collection

Re: [ccp4bb] images

2009-03-20 Thread Scott Classen
On Mar 19, 2009, at 3:26 AM, Andrew Purkiss-Trew wrote: On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 18:19 +, Frank von Delft wrote: Maybe, but images without experimental context (sequence? ligands? purification? crystallization format? -- PURPOSE OF EXPERIMENT!?!! relationship to the other 15 similar datasets)

Re: [ccp4bb] Question about stereo on LCD monitor

2009-03-20 Thread Warren DeLano
Rafal, Actually, things only really started to change last month... Please see http://pymol.org and scroll down most of the way to the February 13th entry regarding the $600 Zalman ZM-M220W stereo-capable LCD. In my opinion, that is the best option on the market until the "powers that be" star

Re: [ccp4bb] Problems with phasing a protein (1300aa)

2009-03-20 Thread Peter Zwart
<|delta F|>/ *c \approx < |delta I|/ I > , with c somewhere between 2.5 and 3. Bijvoet amplitude ratios seem always more pessimistic then they should be. The 4 to 5% <|delta F|>/ would translate into a 10 to 12% expected difference for individual intensities. P 2009/3/20 Bernhard Rupp : > Wha

Re: [ccp4bb] Problems with phasing a protein (1300aa)

2009-03-20 Thread Bernhard Rupp
> Bijvoet amplitude ratios seem always more pessimistic then they should be. Sure, no while lines considered in the edge calc, for example. BR

Re: [ccp4bb] fake images

2009-03-20 Thread Artem Evdokimov
Just to dot the T's and cross the I's here - I actually don't want to *have to* deposit images routinely. I definitely hope that this is not going to be a mandatory step in PDB deposition any time soon - for a simple reason: at the moment this is too much trouble. Connections are too slow, and imag

Re: [ccp4bb] fake images

2009-03-20 Thread Boaz Shaanan
And by then, the IUCR will have established the CFDU (Crystallographic Fraud Detection Unit), onto which Jack Bauer would be enlisted as a consultant ("24" may still be running, who knows, so Jack won't be able to serve full-time on the job).  This would be fun. Boaz - Origina

Re: [ccp4bb] fake images

2009-03-20 Thread Bernhard Rupp
It took from the 'official' IUCR recommendation in 2000 Guss M (2000) Guidelines for the deposition and release of macromolecular coordinate and experimental data. Acta Crystallogr. D56(1), 2. until Feb 2008 for structure factor amplitude deposition to the PDB to become mandatory. Nature start

Re: [ccp4bb] Problems with phasing a protein (1300aa)

2009-03-20 Thread Bernhard Rupp
What is not true? Also in your case the applet estimates an expected 4-5% signal which is quite doable with decent data. BR -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tommi Kajander Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 3:43 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC

[ccp4bb] Question about stereo on LCD monitor

2009-03-20 Thread Rafal Dolot
Dear CCP4BB users, After one long year I'm back to crystallography again :) Actually I try to organize a crystallographic lab in new work place. Of course one of important thing what I need is a good computer machine for crystallographic calculations and molecular graphics. And now I need yours ad

Re: [ccp4bb] fake images

2009-03-20 Thread Eric Bennett
Bernhard Rupp wrote: I only scratched the surface and I think it would be hard work to fake the images in a way that later expert forensics would not readily provide evidence. Also, there are 'watermarks' available from cryptographic methods that are even 'post-processing' resistant. A practi

Re: [ccp4bb] Problems with phasing a protein (1300aa)

2009-03-20 Thread Artem Evdokimov
Kumar, As many here have pointed out - this is not likely to work. However if you already have crystals, why not to try phasing using tried and true heavy atom derivatives. Who knows, you might get lucky and one of them might actually improve the diffraction (this happens more often than people

Re: [ccp4bb] Problems with phasing a protein (1300aa)

2009-03-20 Thread Tommi Kajander
this cant be true, in the idea case (not Rmerge 15%, then again one can apply a resolution cutoff, perhaps, while this sounds like a very desperate case) the answer must be yes. didnt do the calculation right now (but it _should_ back this up) we for instance have solved a structure long time a

Re: [ccp4bb] Purification

2009-03-20 Thread Ho-Leung Ng
You can try using affinity tags on both the N- and C-termini of the protein, eg. MBP on N and His on C. ho > Date:    Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:53:14 + > From:    Kn Ly > Subject: purification > > Hello everyone, > > I am expressing a 100 KDa eukaryotic membrane protein in E coli. The prot= > ein

Re: [ccp4bb] Problems with phasing a protein (1300aa)

2009-03-20 Thread Bernhard Rupp
One can estimate this from http://www.ruppweb.org/new_comp/anomalous_scattering.htm and the answer as Jim says is no. BR -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jim Pflugrath Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:08 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK S

Re: [ccp4bb] Problems with phasing a protein (1300aa)

2009-03-20 Thread Jim Pflugrath
Well, what do you expect the anomalous signal contributed from your 45 seleniums in a perfect world to be when the asymmetric unit contains 1300 aa? Do you think a dataset with Rmerge of ~15% is good enough to detect a signal of even 2%? (Note: I did not do the calculation, so I just made up

Re: [ccp4bb] Problems with phasing a protein (1300aa)

2009-03-20 Thread Jacob Keller
Radiation Damage? Why don't you try scaling back on the time of each frame, get better completeness and redundancy, while taking a hit on resolution? That could get you your heavy atoms, and then you could apply those phases to a "roasted" crystal. The heavy atoms are the first to go, it seems.

[ccp4bb] Problems with phasing a protein (1300aa)

2009-03-20 Thread Kumar
Hello CCP4bb members, I have been trying to obtain phases for a protein which contain ~1300aa. We have obtained native data to a resolution of 3.3A (Space group I222 or I212121). But we are having tough time phasing it. 'Se' labeled crystals diffracts maximally up to 3.5 to 4 A and dies very quic

Re: [ccp4bb] surface area calcualtion

2009-03-20 Thread Jim Fairman
Thomas, The Areaimol program within the CCP4 suite should do what you're looking for: http://www.ccp4.ac.uk/html/areaimol.html Although its a calculation of surface accessability, you can delete sections of your protein to get at the buried area between two sections of your protein. Cheers, Jim

[ccp4bb] surface area calcualtion

2009-03-20 Thread Jhon Thomas
Hello all can any one suggest any server or tool which can calculate the burried surface area between the domains of the same monomer? PISA calculates the interfacial surace area between the monomer or oligomer. Can areamol calculate it? Thanks in advance Thomas

Re: [ccp4bb] fake images

2009-03-20 Thread Bernhard Rupp
I just want to emphasize the usefulness of MLFSOM as a educational tool. I made numerous figures showing principles and problems of data collection using James' program. I can also assure you that in order to use it properly, you need to know something about image data. I only scratched the surfa

Re: [ccp4bb] purification

2009-03-20 Thread Puey Ounjai
Hi Kien, As Artem pointed out earlier. Are you sure that your protein folded correctly. You want to make sure that the protein is expressed in lipid membrane not in inclusion body. If so, considering changing the host might be a good idea. Also, did you use any kind of detergent when you extract

Re: [ccp4bb] fake images

2009-03-20 Thread artem
Steganographic encoding of a PGP-encoded graphical segment should not be difficult to incorporate... The problem of course is that the delicate signal of such a 'hidden' message would be subject to deliberate erasure unless the encoding is actually done on the level of reflections themselves (i.e.

[ccp4bb] Refmac failed at the end of run

2009-03-20 Thread JOE CRYSTAL
Hi all, I am using refmac in ccp4i 6.1.1 (installed in windows). It runs well when using automatic weight, but failed when using user-specified weight (0.12 in this case). I attach the error message as follow. Your help is very much appreciated. .. 18 0.2064 0.2348 0.8464076

Re: [ccp4bb] fake images

2009-03-20 Thread George M. Sheldrick
After consultation with Ton Spek, I should correct my last email. It turns out that my 'watermark' was not clever enough, because PLATON - his program used to make the picture that I had randomly picked as an example - can emulate the XP watermark (the way of shading the ellipsoids which I intende

Re: [ccp4bb] purification

2009-03-20 Thread Tim Gruene
Dear Kien, you might also try a different resin/ metal ion. If I remember correctly, the technician where I did my PhD had much better results with a Talon resin using Co instead of Ni: you can use much less Imidazole, only 5-10mM for washing and 50mM for elution. If you can go back to cloni

Re: [ccp4bb] purification

2009-03-20 Thread Phoebe Rice
Try running the Ni column as fast as possible and putting concentrated EDTA in the fraction collector tubes before you start, to minimize opportunities for metal-dependent proteases. It may not be a magic bullet but it can't hurt. Phoebe Original message >Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:53:1

Re: [ccp4bb] fake images and R-Rfree values

2009-03-20 Thread Ian Tickle
Felix I would be very surprised if anyone could calculate the expected Rfree in this case with any degree of reliability, since it seems to have been refined with a combination of TLS and rigid-bond/sphericity anisotropic ADP restraints. Taking account of restraints, particularly thermal ones whi

Re: [ccp4bb] fake images and R-Rfree values

2009-03-20 Thread Felix Frolow
I must add something... ID14-2 beam line in our hands produced during first decade of 2000's data sets that for structures at about 1.8 - 1.6 Angstrom constantly leaded to a very good R - Rfree (in the range of 12 %-18%) As an example see PDB entry 1Y9A. If will be needed I will supply diff

Re: [ccp4bb] purification

2009-03-20 Thread Brad Bennett
Hi Kien- Are you basing extensive proteolysis (degradation) on an SDS-PAGE result alone? Are you monitoring the elution profile from Ni/NTA? Do you see numerous A280 peaks for your elution? Sample prep of membrane proteins for SDS-PAGE is very trial-and-error. Heating the samples may cause weird ag

Re: [ccp4bb] fake images

2009-03-20 Thread George M. Sheldrick
Dear James, About 30 years ago I wrote a clone of the program ORTEP; the clone was called XP, but unfortunately Microsoft later stole the name and brought it into disrepute. So that I would always be able to see at a glance which plots were 'genuine ORTEP' and which were my clone, I built in a s

Re: [ccp4bb] fake images

2009-03-20 Thread Ian Tickle
Hi James I think the answer to your question about the 'R-factor gap' is easy to answer (but not so easy to solve!). It's obviously due to the inadequacy of our models, particularly with regards to thermal motion (anisotropy, anharmonicity etc), disorder & motion correlation/diffuse scatter, also

[ccp4bb] fake images

2009-03-20 Thread James Holton
Yes, Harry, indeed there is a program for simulating diffraction patterns. You can get a development snapshot of it here: http://bl831.als.lbl.gov/~jamesh/mlfsom/development_snapshot.tar.gz MLFSOM (mosflm in reverse) is not the only program of its kind in existence and I don't think it is a go

Re: [ccp4bb] off-topic: Compound search by chemical similarity

2009-03-20 Thread Anthony Addlagatta
Sigma-Aldrich has such tool under the advanced search option. Anthony On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:13:38 +0100, cedric bauvois wrote > Dear All, > > Sorry for the off-topic question. > > Is there an easy way to search "chemically close" molecules and know if they > are commercially available ? > > Ma

[ccp4bb] Gb3 glycolipid coordinate

2009-03-20 Thread Julie Ménétrey
Dear All, Sorry for this off-topic question. I am looking for the coordinates of the full (not only the carbohydrate part) Gb3 (Globotriaosylceramide) and GM1 glycolipids. I am pretty sure that the Gb3 glycolipid has been solved by NMR (Nunez, 1982). Any help by providing me the coordinat

[ccp4bb] off-topic: Compound search by chemical similarity

2009-03-20 Thread cedric bauvois
Dear All, Sorry for the off-topic question. Is there an easy way to search "chemically close" molecules and know if they are commercially available ? Many Thanks. -- .. Dr. Cedric Bauvois Cristallographie des protéines Institut de