Re: [ccp4bb] Trying to digest PISA results

2011-09-01 Thread Jan Dohnalek
Wasn't the original question directed to our (growing) feeling that many times PISA says No obvious oligomerization pattern but we already have evidence of dimer formation etc.. This should happen occasionally as the approach implied in the calculations is statistical in a sense. We should not be

Re: [ccp4bb] Trying to digest PISA results

2011-09-01 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Wednesday, 31 August 2011, Jan Dohnalek wrote: Wasn't the original question directed to our (growing) feeling that many times PISA says No obvious oligomerization pattern but we already have evidence of dimer formation etc.. This should happen occasionally as the approach implied in the

Re: [ccp4bb] Trying to digest PISA results

2011-09-01 Thread Jan Dohnalek
I guess both of the mentioned possibilities occur and it is hard to judge which one it is for a particular case. PISA is extremely useful for clear-cut cases to judge them quick. In the borderline ones it remains to be the task of the research teams to prove what sort of oligomerisation state is

[ccp4bb] Protein Crystallography course via the web at Birkbeck College

2011-09-01 Thread Tracey Barrett
Dear all, registration is currently open for the postgraduate certificate course in Protein Crystallography via the web at Birkbeck that starts on Monday October the 3rd. It is for the duration of 1 year during which all aspects of protein crystallography will be covered from the

Re: [ccp4bb] Trying to digest PISA results

2011-09-01 Thread Yuri Pompeu
This is regarding Ethan´s point, particularly: 2) the protein has crystallized as a monomer even though it [sometimes] exists in solution as a dimer. The interface seen in the crystal is not the real dimer interface and thus the PISA score is correct. I see the same exact interface in a

Re: [ccp4bb] number of cycles in refmac

2011-09-01 Thread James Holton
I noticed this kind of thing myself a long time ago, and wondered what refmac was doing to make things worse, so I let it keep going. And going and going. I was delighted to discover that although R and/or Rfree could rise over up to hundreds of cycles, it almost invariably turns around again,

Re: [ccp4bb] Phaser 2.3.0

2011-09-01 Thread Randy Read
Hi, Could you send me some representative logfiles (probably off-list)? This might give a hint. It must be something unusual, because we have a fairly wide range of test cases and none of them have any problems. Thanks and best wishes, Randy Read On 1 Sep 2011, at 14:58,

[ccp4bb] Low resolution structure determination advice

2011-09-01 Thread Basudeb Bhattacharyya
Dear all, We're looking for some advice about how to proceed with a structure we're working on.  Our protein is 750 amino acids and naturally binds zinc.  We have a SeMet data set that goes down to 3.7 angstroms.  4 of 8 selenium sites are ordered and visible in addition to our zincs and we've

[ccp4bb] 64-bit CCP4

2011-09-01 Thread Ed Pozharski
I am almost sure this has been addressed before, so you can go after me for insufficient googling. However, 1. Is there any *significant* advantage in using 64-bit CCP4 binaries (primarily speed)? 2. IIUC, the standard CCP4 download results in 32-bit binaries being run on a 64-bit system.

Re: [ccp4bb] 64-bit CCP4

2011-09-01 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Thursday, September 01, 2011 11:02:50 am Ed Pozharski wrote: I am almost sure this has been addressed before, so you can go after me for insufficient googling. However, 1. Is there any *significant* advantage in using 64-bit CCP4 binaries (primarily speed)? 2. IIUC, the standard CCP4

Re: [ccp4bb] Low resolution structure determination advice

2011-09-01 Thread Pete Meyer
Hi, Depending on how many zn sites you have, you may be able to do zn-mad for your native crystals. You don't mention if you've tried combining your various sources of phase information; if not, it's worth looking into. You may also want to look into various multi-crystal techniques

Re: [ccp4bb] Low resolution structure determination advice

2011-09-01 Thread Bosch, Juergen
How about phase extension using DM, sure you say you only have one mol per asu but it might still be worth trying various approaches of solvent flattening/flipping. Don't know what you used to detect your sites and refine them, but it also might be worth sticking them into Sharp with your

Re: [ccp4bb] 64-bit CCP4

2011-09-01 Thread George M. Sheldrick
In my (SHELX) experience, the difference in performance between 32bit and 64bit versions running on a 64bit OS scarcely justifies distributing two sets of binaries. The 64bit binaries are usually slightly faster (especially the multi-CPU SHELXD). As far as I know, there are no problems running

[ccp4bb] No Cl- or S Anomalous Signal

2011-09-01 Thread Jacob Keller
Dear Crystallographers, I recently have been working with a 2.5 Ang SeMet peak wavelength dataset which contains 2 cys's and also a couple of bona fide Cl ions (reasonable b-factor/site is semi-buried/water does not work). In the FFT anomalous difference map using PhiC from the refined model and

Re: [ccp4bb] No Cl- or S Anomalous Signal

2011-09-01 Thread Bosch, Juergen
Where in refinement of your model are you ? At an early stage I wouldn't be surprised to only see SeMets but once you've refined your structure and go back to calculate an anomalous map with the improved phases you might double your signal for SeMet and start seeing sulfurs. An alternative

Re: [ccp4bb] No Cl- or S Anomalous Signal

2011-09-01 Thread jens Preben Morth
Hi Jacob I agree with Juergen, and just add that your Cys and Cl might not be fully occupied. cheers Preben On 9/1/11 10:03 PM, Jacob Keller wrote: Dear Crystallographers, I recently have been working with a 2.5 Ang SeMet peak wavelength dataset which contains 2 cys's and also a couple of

Re: [ccp4bb] Low resolution structure determination advice

2011-09-01 Thread Kianoush Sadre-Bazzaz
Hi Basu, You mentioned molecular replacement was not successful for this project. Which model was used for this procedure? Have you tried your partially built structure as a model to obtain preliminary phases for your native (2.7A) data set? If there is  any luck with that, you might be able to