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2012-05-07 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Ruby, With this information I can give some more concrete hints: - Add the sugar (monosaccharide, disaccharide?) that the lectin is supposed to bind to your crystallization trials. - Try different protein concentrations: 10 mg/ml, 100 mg/ml. In the latter case you may have to dilute your

Re: [ccp4bb] detergent or protein

2012-05-07 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Hi Anita, I do not have much experience with detergents, but spherulites like you showed often occur with proteins. Unfortunately, these things usually do not diffract. On the other hand, they occur often in conditions close to good crystallization conditions, so in your case I would try to

Re: [ccp4bb] ShelXL and Coot

2012-05-07 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Kalyan, the reason why you cannot read in the .res-file is that you don't have RESI-cards. They are required by coot. For the same reason your PDB-file does not contain any information that would allow coot to refine the coordinates. As far as

[ccp4bb] Hydrogens added when using Phenix Readyset for ligands

2012-05-07 Thread Christopher Browning
Hi, I've generally used PRODRG to create paramater files for any ligands I add during refinement with CCP4 and/or PHENIX. I've been trying READYSET from PHENIX as it greatly helps refining some metal ion positions. But when I use READYSET, any ligand I add (in this case EDO or ethylene glycol)

Re: [ccp4bb] Hydrogens added when using Phenix Readyset for ligands

2012-05-07 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Chris, If the absence/ presence of hydrogens in the coordinate file made a difference in the refinement, I guess some parameter setting for the refinement program is awkward. Did you refine with riding hydrogens in both cases? Hydrogens can and

Re: [ccp4bb] Hydrogens added when using Phenix Readyset for ligands

2012-05-07 Thread Christopher Browning
Hi Tim, Yeah, riding hydrogens have always been on. I guess I need some more investigation. Chris On Mon, 2012-05-07 at 15:36 +0200, Tim Gruene wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Chris, If the absence/ presence of hydrogens in the coordinate file made a

Re: [ccp4bb] Hydrogens added when using Phenix Readyset for ligands

2012-05-07 Thread Pavel Afonine
Hi Chris, - there is Phenix mailing list for Phenix-related questions. Please check http://www.phenix-online.org/ - the data resolution of 2.5A does not mean hydrogen atoms are not present in the crystal. There are methods to account for them. For details see (and references therein): On

Re: [ccp4bb] detergent or protein

2012-05-07 Thread R. M. Garavito
Anita, To answer a lot of your questions, you need to provide some more information about your protein, at least some of its biophysical characteristics (size, oligomeric state, an integral membrane protein, etc.). Just because you are using detergents does not mean all your problems are

Re: [ccp4bb] effective iodide conc. for SAD data

2012-05-07 Thread James Holton
Jacob, The main reason why it is not common practice to saturate every crystal with every heavy metal under the sun is radiation damage. X-ray absorption increases very rapidly with atomic number (third power), so on the order of 100 mM of heavy atom is usually enough to cut your crystal's

Re: [ccp4bb] NCS on ligands

2012-05-07 Thread Rajesh Kumar
Dear Pavel, I would try both options and see how it works.Thanks for time RegardsRajesh Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 13:39:42 -0700 Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] NCS on ligands From: pafon...@gmail.com To: ccp4...@hotmail.com CC: CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk Hi Rajesh, I guess they could (in most programs), but the

[ccp4bb] saxs on xtals

2012-05-07 Thread anna anna
Dear all, I'd like some suggestions/opinions about the sense of an experiment proposed by a collaborator expert in saxs. In few words, he wants to collect SAXS data on a suspension of protein xtals to investigate low resolution periodicity of the xtal (more details below). The experiment requires

Re: [ccp4bb] saxs on xtals

2012-05-07 Thread David Schuller
That sounds like powder diffraction. On 05/07/12 12:30, anna anna wrote: Dear all, I'd like some suggestions/opinions about the sense of an experiment proposed by a collaborator expert in saxs. In few words, he wants to collect SAXS data on a suspension of protein xtals to investigate low

Re: [ccp4bb] saxs on xtals

2012-05-07 Thread Jacob Keller
It might be that the bulk solvent correction is nullifying the interior of the ferritin structure, and there should be a way to tell the refinement software not to treat the interior as solvent. Perhaps then you might find your Fe? Also, I would think there should be some powder-like diffraction

Re: [ccp4bb] saxs on xtals

2012-05-07 Thread Murray, James W
Dear Anna, I once modified CNS to refine two solvent regions of ferritin, one inside and one outside the shell. Perhaps this can be done in Phenix now. If you want to locate magnetite particles in this way, you should collect data to as low a resolution as you can (may need to move backstop),

Re: [ccp4bb] effective iodide conc. for SAD data

2012-05-07 Thread Pete Meyer
James Holton wrote: In general, a Bijvoet ratio of 3% or so is needed to solve a structure (the current world record is 0.5% and lots of multiplicity). The above web page will also tell you how many crystals you need if you type in their size in all three dimensions. but this estimate

Re: [ccp4bb] saxs on xtals

2012-05-07 Thread Edward Snell
Hi Anna, There has been some nice single crystal SAXS work done, check out J. Mol. Biol (1998) 284, 1439-1452 Imaging RNA and Dynamic Protein Segments with Low-resolution Virus Crystallography: Experimental Design, Data Processing and Implications of Electron Density Maps by Tsuruta et al.

[ccp4bb] P21221 to P21212 conversion

2012-05-07 Thread Shya Biswas
Hi all, I was wondering if anyone knows how to convert the P21221 to P21212 spacegroup in HKL2000. I scaled the data set in P21212 in HKL 2000 but I got a correct MR solution in P21221 spacegroup. I have a script file that runs with scalepack but was wondering if there is an easier way to do it

Re: [ccp4bb] P21221 to P21212 conversion

2012-05-07 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Monday, May 07, 2012 01:09:25 pm Shya Biswas wrote: Hi all, I was wondering if anyone knows how to convert the P21221 to P21212 spacegroup in HKL2000. I scaled the data set in P21212 in HKL 2000 but I got a correct MR solution in P21221 spacegroup. Shya: Scaling is done in a point group,

Re: [ccp4bb] P21221 to P21212 conversion

2012-05-07 Thread Shya Biswas
Hi, My case is old b is changed to c (scenario 2 as you explained) or hkl is changed to hlk. Thanks for the help Shya On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Ethan Merritt merr...@u.washington.eduwrote: On Monday, May 07, 2012 01:09:25 pm Shya Biswas wrote: Hi all, I was wondering if anyone knows

Re: [ccp4bb] P21221 to P21212 conversion

2012-05-07 Thread Matthew Franklin
On 5/7/12 4:09 PM, Shya Biswas wrote: Hi all, I was wondering if anyone knows how to convert the P21221 to P21212 spacegroup in HKL2000. I scaled the data set in P21212 in HKL 2000 but I got a correct MR solution in P21221 spacegroup. I have a script file that runs with scalepack but was

Re: [ccp4bb] saxs on xtals

2012-05-07 Thread Colin Nave
Anna Interesting. Yes, the cryo-em might be the way to go to see if some structures (i.e. not just spheres) within the protein shell are aligned. The SAXS study does make some sense. If the magnetic particles have some alignment this should manifest itself in the SAXS pattern, with the

Re: [ccp4bb] P21221 to P21212 conversion

2012-05-07 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Monday, May 07, 2012 01:42:58 pm Shya Biswas wrote: Hi, My case is old b is changed to c (scenario 2 as you explained) or hkl is changed to hlk. Thanks for the help hkl - hkl gives an inverted coordinate system. You don't want that. Ethan Shya On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 4:33

Re: [ccp4bb] P21221 to P21212 conversion

2012-05-07 Thread Jacob Keller
Is it true that HKL adopts the naming convention of putting the screw axes first and then naming abc if possible, whereas CCP4 just makes the cell abc? E.g., would HKL ever output by default a p22121 dataset, or would it automatically be p21212? JPK On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Ethan Merritt

Re: [ccp4bb] P21221 to P21212 conversion

2012-05-07 Thread Felix Frolow
HKL or most probably SCALEPACK know nothing above point group if you do not tell it. But even in GUI one can use hkl matrix with the needed transformation matrix :-\ What is nice about it that it will never let you to change the handedness of the data, so anomalous signal is safeā€¦ FF Dr Felix

Re: [ccp4bb] P21221 to P21212 conversion

2012-05-07 Thread Felix Frolow
Forget to tell that all is done in the menu Macros : - ( FF Dr Felix Frolow Professor of Structural Biology and Biotechnology Department of Molecular Microbiology and Biotechnology Tel Aviv University 69978, Israel Acta Crystallographica F, co-editor e-mail: mbfro...@post.tau.ac.il Tel:

Re: [ccp4bb] P21221 to P21212 conversion

2012-05-07 Thread Phil Jeffrey
The program that does the indexing in HKL is Denzo. Denzo doesn't care about the space group. It cares about the point group (cf. Ethan's point) and the cell dimensions, because it integrates the data without regard to the symmetry expressed in the intensities - however it does take notice

Re: [ccp4bb] P21221 to P21212 conversion

2012-05-07 Thread Felix Frolow
If one make a proper transformation :-/ and supply a correct space group, absent reflections will be printed in the end of scale.log Dr Felix Frolow Professor of Structural Biology and Biotechnology Department of Molecular Microbiology and Biotechnology Tel Aviv University 69978, Israel Acta

Re: [ccp4bb] P21221 to P21212 conversion

2012-05-07 Thread Jacob Keller
Why do you like P21212 better than P22121? JPK On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Phil Jeffrey pjeff...@princeton.edu wrote: The program that does the indexing in HKL is Denzo. Denzo doesn't care about the space group. It cares about the point group (cf. Ethan's point) and the cell

Re: [ccp4bb] P21221 to P21212 conversion

2012-05-07 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Monday, May 07, 2012 02:00:43 pm Phil Jeffrey wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Ethan Merritt Scaling is done in a point group, not a space group. My quibble with this statement is that the output reflection data from Scalepack differs depending on what space group you tell it,

Re: [ccp4bb] P21221 to P21212 conversion

2012-05-07 Thread Shya Biswas
Hi Matt, It worked really well in HKL 2000 reindex option, sorry about the confusion before, I wanted hkl to lhk. as you pointed out the second one gave me what I wanted. thanks, Shya On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Matthew Franklin mfrank...@nysbc.orgwrote: On 5/7/12 4:09 PM, Shya Biswas

Re: [ccp4bb] P21221 to P21212 conversion

2012-05-07 Thread Shya Biswas
Hi, i just repeated the MR using the reindexed dataset (hkl to lhk) and it gave me the right solution. thanks, Shya On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Edward A. Berry ber...@upstate.edu wrote: Now given that the MR soluiton was obtained in the (preparing to duck) nonstandard setting, what is the