Re: [ccp4bb] do you think it is interesting?

2012-06-18 Thread Cathy Lawson
Hi Anna, Your structure and description remind me very much of our domain-swapped crystal structure of trp repressor, also an infinite lattice. One more example to add to the many that have been pointed out by others. http://www.pdb.org/pdb/explore.do?structureId=1MI7 Cheers, Cathy Lawson

Re: [ccp4bb] do you think it is interesting?

2012-06-18 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Monday, June 18, 2012 02:06:46 pm Alexander Scouras wrote: > > I'm further racking my brain to figure out a biological implication of this > > behaviour, I thought something like plaque formation but I can't find > > support in literature. > > > There are a variety of domain swapped crystal

Re: [ccp4bb] do you think it is interesting?

2012-06-18 Thread Tom Murray-Rust
> > I'm further racking my brain to figure out a biological implication of this > > behaviour, I thought something like plaque formation but I can't find > > support in literature. > A good example of domain swaps involved in disease-associated polymerisation is the polymerisation of serpins; wh

Re: [ccp4bb] do you think it is interesting?

2012-06-18 Thread Alexander Scouras
> I'm further racking my brain to figure out a biological implication of this > behaviour, I thought something like plaque formation but I can't find support > in literature. There are a variety of domain swapped crystal structures out there, but at least the two I'm most familiar with are reg

Re: [ccp4bb] do you think it is interesting?

2012-06-18 Thread Remy Loris
This may be somethng similar Domain swapping of a llama VHH domain builds a crystal-wide beta-sheet structure. Spinelli S, Desmyter A, Frenken L, Verrips T, Tegoni M, Cambillau C. FEBS Lett. 2004 Apr 23;564(1-2):35-40. Remy Loris Vrije Universiteit Brussel On 18/06/12 15:49, anna anna wrote:

Re: [ccp4bb] do you think it is interesting?

2012-06-18 Thread Lucas
2012/6/18 Tim Gruene : > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > [...] >> of monomers is called a multimer, not a polymer. > [...] > shiver - what a terrible mixture of languages. 'multi-' has got latin > origin, whereas both poly and mer have got greek origin, and I don't > think one sho

Re: [ccp4bb] do you think it is interesting?

2012-06-18 Thread Shiva Bhowmik
Hi Anna, Interesting assembly. What is the function of your protein? Is it known if your protein forms a fibril-like assembly in solution? Moreover, can your crystal packing be indexed higher symmetry space group? Cheers, Shiva On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 9:03 AM, David Schuller wrote: > If the o

Re: [ccp4bb] do you think it is interesting?

2012-06-18 Thread Jacob Keller
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:03 AM, David Schuller wrote: > If the original poster could engineer a few disulfides or other covalent > linkages in there, I would drop my objections, and be even more impressed. Ooh, that sounds nice! Could act as a bio-spring, releasable by dtt etc... JPK >

Re: [ccp4bb] do you think it is interesting?

2012-06-18 Thread Cale Dakwar
If we are to strictly adhere to polymer as describing "few", then were do we stand with DNA/RNA being described as a polymer - a long polymer made up from repeating units of nucleotides, as has been used in textbooks for ages?! Is DNA/RNA too now a myriomer? Cale

Re: [ccp4bb] do you think it is interesting?

2012-06-18 Thread David Schuller
If the original poster could engineer a few disulfides or other covalent linkages in there, I would drop my objections, and be even more impressed. On 06/18/12 11:48, Jacob Keller wrote: Okay, I wiki'd it, and according to them seems you're right: it says they are "typically connected by covale

Re: [ccp4bb] do you think it is interesting?

2012-06-18 Thread Bosch, Juergen
isn't a polymer considered a poly-multimer of undefined size ? And you use multi once you run out with your greek naming scheme say when > icosahedron ? Jürgen P.S. where are all those greeks to shed some light on us ? On Jun 18, 2012, at 11:48 AM, Jacob Keller wrote: Okay, I wiki'd it, and ac

Re: [ccp4bb] do you think it is interesting?

2012-06-18 Thread Jacob Keller
Okay, I wiki'd it, and according to them seems you're right: it says they are "typically connected by covalent chemical bonds." So either we revert to the etymological use of "polymer," or move onward to "myriomer!" (assuming the cross-bred "multimer" is out of the question!) JPK On Mon, Jun 18,

Re: [ccp4bb] do you think it is interesting?

2012-06-18 Thread David Schuller
On 06/18/12 11:17, Jacob Keller wrote: But anyway, what is wrong with calling her structures "polymers?" Is there a subtle covalent insinuation to "polymer?" subtle? No, it's not subtle. -- === All Things Serve the Beam

Re: [ccp4bb] do you think it is interesting?

2012-06-18 Thread Ian Tickle
On 18/06/2012, Tim Gruene wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > [...] >> of monomers is called a multimer, not a polymer. > [...] > shiver - what a terrible mixture of languages. 'multi-' has got latin > origin, whereas both poly and mer have got greek origin, and I don't >

Re: [ccp4bb] do you think it is interesting?

2012-06-18 Thread Jacob Keller
I love "myriomer," but what's wrong with boring old "polymer?" JPK On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Emmanuel Saridakis wrote: > Of course, "oligomer" (pure Greek) usually does that kind of job, but not in > this specific case, since oligo means few and in this case we have "endless" > chains. >

Re: [ccp4bb] do you think it is interesting?

2012-06-18 Thread Emmanuel Saridakis
Of course, "oligomer" (pure Greek) usually does that kind of job, but not in this specific case, since oligo means few and in this case we have "endless" chains. I can only think of the neologism "myriomer" for this particular case, if you want to stick to Greek. Myrioi can mean 1 or countle

Re: [ccp4bb] do you think it is interesting?

2012-06-18 Thread Jacob Keller
I have been curious and suspicious for a long time about "multimer:" I always assumed it to be a more homey substitute for "oligomer," as there seems to me to be no difference in usage, and certainly not in the etymological sense. I have often heard it used by non-experts who don't know exactly the

Re: [ccp4bb] Question on Symmetry Axis Notation Convention

2012-06-18 Thread Ian Tickle
James, The IUCr report that Ethan referred to distinguishes carefully between a "symmetry element" and a "symmetry operation". A symmetry element corresponds to a set of coaxial rotation or screw axes (assuming we're limiting the discussion to enantiomorphic space groups) in a unit cell related b

Re: [ccp4bb] badly behaved DNA binder

2012-06-18 Thread Phoebe Rice
Try adding DNA then dialyzing to low salt (in some microdialyer). = Phoebe A. Rice Dept. of Biochemistry & Molecular Biology The University of Chicago phone 773 834 1723 http://bmb.bsd.uchicago.edu/Faculty_and_Research/01_Faculty/01_Faculty_Alphabetically.php?fa

Re: [ccp4bb] do you think it is interesting?

2012-06-18 Thread David Schuller
On 06/18/12 10:43, Tim Gruene wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [...] of monomers is called a multimer, not a polymer. [...] shiver - what a terrible mixture of languages. 'multi-' has got latin origin, whereas both poly and mer have got greek origin, and I don't think one s

Re: [ccp4bb] do you think it is interesting?

2012-06-18 Thread Bosch, Juergen
how about greek-protomers-bands (aka GPB) :-) Nice picture, you can make decorative art with it and sell it. Jürgen On Jun 18, 2012, at 10:43 AM, Tim Gruene wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [...] of monomers is called a multimer, not a polymer. [...] shiver - what a terribl

Re: [ccp4bb] do you think it is interesting?

2012-06-18 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [...] > of monomers is called a multimer, not a polymer. [...] shiver - what a terrible mixture of languages. 'multi-' has got latin origin, whereas both poly and mer have got greek origin, and I don't think one should mix these. Please!!! think of a d

Re: [ccp4bb] do you think it is interesting?

2012-06-18 Thread David Schuller
Certainly it's interesting, but I think your description is inaccurate. "Endless linear polymers" - Each monomer is a polymer, but a collection of monomers is called a multimer, not a polymer. I don't suppose there are any knots? That would be really interesting. On 06/18/12 09:49, anna anna

Re: [ccp4bb] do you think it is interesting?

2012-06-18 Thread Jacob Keller
Wow, that's very cool! Can you divulge what the function of the protein is? One thinks of some kind of mechanical spring... JPK On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 8:49 AM, anna anna wrote: > Hi all! > I'd like your opinion about a structure I solved. > Apart from protein structure itself, I think that my p

Re: [ccp4bb] pROBLEM IN RUNNING dm

2012-06-18 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Well - I guess you need to check the input mtz file. do mtzdmo this.mtz and check that the columns you have selected are present and have non-zero values. You need a FOM there. Eleanor On 14 Jun 2012, at 12:58, Appu kumar wrote: > Hello Dear all > I am trying running

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)

2012-06-18 Thread Artem Evdokimov
Add DNA? Also, polydispersity is not great for crystallization but may not be the end of the world :) Artem On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 4:52 AM, Arpit Mishra wrote: > > > Dear CCP4BB members > > Sorry for off topic, i had question related to dispersity of proteins of my > interest, i am working on

[ccp4bb] CASP10: Call for structure prediction targets

2012-06-18 Thread Torsten Schwede
Dear colleagues, This is a follow up to our earlier message, requesting prediction targets for CASP10. First THANK YOU to those who came forward with targets -- really much appreciated, and has helped get this CASP off to a great start. We now have over 70 targets released. Second, please

[ccp4bb] Fwd: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)

2012-06-18 Thread Arpit Mishra
Dear CCP4BB members Sorry for off topic, i had question related to dispersity of proteins of my interest, i am working on DNA binding protein, having PI around 9 to 10,Initially protein was remaining stable at high salt, but was not able to concentrate more than 1mg/ml, after using 50mm Arg, 50mm