Re: [ccp4bb] over-fitting? over-refinement?

2020-10-19 Thread Pavel Afonine
Hi Sam, > Hi, the question may be a bit weird, but how do you define 'over-fitting' > in the context of structure refinement? From users' perspective the > practical aspect is to 'fit' the model into the density. So there comes > this question from our juniors: fit is fit, how is a model

Re: [ccp4bb] over-fitting? over-refinement?

2020-10-19 Thread Ethan A Merritt
On Monday, 19 October 2020 20:27:04 PDT Sam Tang wrote: > Hi, the question may be a bit weird, but how do you define 'over-fitting' > in the context of structure refinement? From users' perspective the > practical aspect is to 'fit' the model into the density. So there comes > this question from

[ccp4bb] over-fitting? over-refinement?

2020-10-19 Thread Sam Tang
Hi, the question may be a bit weird, but how do you define 'over-fitting' in the context of structure refinement? From users' perspective the practical aspect is to 'fit' the model into the density. So there comes this question from our juniors: fit is fit, how is a model over-fit? BRS Sam

Re: [ccp4bb] Tyr pushed out during refinement

2020-10-19 Thread Pavel Afonine
Hi All, there was a bug at some point that could potentially lead to this. This all should be fixed in current Phenix nightly builds: http://phenix-online.org/download/nightly_builds.cgi If not, get back to us (phenixbb or Phenix help lists or reply directly to me). Pavel On Mon, Oct 19, 2020

Re: [ccp4bb] Tyr pushed out during refinement

2020-10-19 Thread Andrew Purkiss
I've seen a similar behavior when, for the Phenix.refine refinement strategy, I accidentally selected both XYZ (reciprocal-space) and XYZ (real-space) at the same time. As well as a Phe jumping out of density in one NCS copy, planarity was very poor for several sidechains (but no obvious

Re: [ccp4bb] Tyr pushed out during refinement

2020-10-19 Thread Christine Gee
Dear Michael I would carefully check the backbone region around the tyrosine and make sure it’s correct as errors there might be the issue. Regards Christine Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 19, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Boniecki, Michal > wrote: > >  > Hello, > I have a problem during refining with

Re: [ccp4bb] Tyr pushed out during refinement

2020-10-19 Thread Philip D. Jeffrey
As Paul observes, there's a bona fide email list for phenix, but in fact comparing REFMAC to phenix.refine might be useful to see if this really is a program bug or if it's a bug in the model. Sometimes one is better than the other. For phenix.refine: Put the Tyr in the "right" place and

Re: [ccp4bb] Tyr pushed out during refinement

2020-10-19 Thread Eleanor Dodson
You dont say what resolution your data goes to - certainly REFMAC and I guess PHENIX have restraints to prevent van der waal clashes. If there is high resolution data then these restraints can be overridden to some extent. Maybe set the occupancy of the PRO C=O to 0.0 and see where the TYR

Re: [ccp4bb] Tyr pushed out during refinement

2020-10-19 Thread Paul Emsley
On 19/10/2020 19:52, Boniecki, Michal wrote: I have a problem during refining with one of the Tyr residues. It is constantly pushed out of the position during refinement in all 4 chains in ASU. I have tried to exclude it from refinement in phenix but it is refined anyway out of the position

[ccp4bb] Solution Scattering and MX workshop November 3 to 5 - Center for BioMolecular Structures

2020-10-19 Thread Stojanoff, Vivian
You are invited to participate in the Center for BioMolecular Structures Solution Scattering - LIX (morning) and Macromolecular Crystallography - MX (afternoon) Workbenches, November 3 through 5. The main goal of these workshops is to provide an opportunity to get acquainted with the method

Re: [ccp4bb] Looking for help to read 4mm data tape

2020-10-19 Thread Xiong, Jian-Ping
Thanks for the info. Will forward it to my colleague. Best, JP From: Jon Cooper mailto:jon.b.coo...@protonmail.com>> Reply-To: Jon Cooper mailto:jon.b.coo...@protonmail.com>> Date: Friday, October 16, 2020 at 5:13 PM To: "Xiong, Jian-Ping" mailto:xi...@helix.mgh.harvard.edu>>,

[ccp4bb] Off-topic: Mild cross-linking protocol

2020-10-19 Thread Chiara Bruckmann
Dear all, Sorry for the off-topic question. I need to prepare an heterodimeric protein complex for an immunisation, and I would like to make sure that the dimer will be stable and it won't dissociate after injection. I am wondering if any of you has a mild cross-linking protocol (and