[ccp4bb] OT: VectorNTI alternatives - SUMMARY

2009-02-05 Thread Darren Hart
Thanks for the 38 replies, both on and off the bboard. I have tested some of
them and my favorites so far are ApE and Gentle which are free and quite
good. But there may be others that are also good and I missed.

Darren

Summary:

*Firstly*, good advice from Warren DeLano:

1. Be wary of relying upon free tools not based on open-source code.
2. Be extremely wary of free tools which come with a license manager.
3. Instead favor free software tools which strictly meet the established
definitions of:
  Open Source: http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd,
  Free Software:  http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html, or
  Public Domain: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain
since it is *only* those tools that can be safely taken for granted over the
long haul.

  But be prepared to pay good money for good software!

*Secondly*, if you are going to stop using VectorNTI, export valuable files
in .gb format before the program locks. If this happens, contact Invitrogen
and they (might) issue a short time extension as they did for me.

*Recommended programs:*

*Geneious *and *CLCbio *workbench are professional polished products
competing with VectorNTI – but CLC free version is just a plasmid viewer
really.

Sebastiano and others - much much easier than VectorNTI is *ApE *(
http://www.biology.utah.edu/jorgensen/wayned/ape/), which is multi-platform
and very easy to use for simple tasks.
I tried ApE and was really impressed, once I got past the very simple
looking format. This would do most of the things required for designing
vectors and works with .gb format files – Darren

*Serial cloner *(http://serialbasics.free.fr/Serial_Cloner.html) suggested
by James Stroud. It works only with fasta or .xdna files – so is really a
DNA editor and seems to have limited Protein analysis functions, even
displaying translated ORFs above DNA sequence. But splicing DNA sequences
together seems efficient.

Mark Brooks - recommended *BioEdit*:
http://www.mbio.ncsu.edu/BioEdit/bioedit.html
It has an old fashioned  cluttered interface, but does do sequence editing,
translation into proteins, ClustalW alignments and contig assemblies (a bit
like ContigExpress in Vector NTI). It opens ABI files for sequencing data,
to view the chromatograms. It uses the external programs such as clustalw
alignments or cap3 to do the contig assemblies, and its licence doesn't
expire!


For storing everything, I put my primers, plasmid sequences, insert
sequences in a MySQL database, with an HTML front end I wrote:
http://plasmidb.sourceforge.net/
*Plasmi::db *also has a homespun feel to it, and only works with Firefox,
for example (not other browsers). There is a primer designer page, for
traditional cloning by restriction digestion etc.. I can't pretend it's in
the same league as Vector NTI, though. The data is stored in a
non-proprietary format; database tables which can be viewed with either the
HTML pages, or MS Excel, for example.

Andy Gulick recommends the *Workbench* suite at the *San Diego
Supercomputer Center*. It allows you to maintain a database of protein and
DNA sequence, has many tools, and allows  you to create subprojects to help
organize.
http://workbench.sdsc.edu

Yong-Fu Li suggested *Lasergene*, but not enthusiastically due to
requirement to reformat files and not very good editing functions.

Roger Dodd - *PlasmaDNA *which seems pretty good for the basics
http://research.med.helsinki.fi/plasmadna/ .

Christian Biertümpfel recommends another free tool: *pDRAW32 *(
http://www.acaclone.com/ ).
It runs natively under Windows and with the emulator wine on Linux.

Francis Reyes - Not sure if it's been mentioned, but I personally use *EnzymeX
*(http://mekentosj.com/enzymex/) .Also recommends PDF library organizer
Papers (http://mekentosj.com/papers/) to be exceptional.

Juan Sanchez Weatherby - GCK2 (*GeneConstructionKit*) and another *
GeneInspector*. They where pretty amazing and with lots of features for
plasmid design, keeping history, sharing, and lots more. I suppose they must
have improved quite a lot over the years. I can't remember what the license
was like (money wise) but I think you can download a free version (doesn't
let you save or print things but shows what you can actually do with them).
The link you need to find them is http://www.textco.com/products/index.html

Bryan Lepore – Lots can be done just with with [1] *expasy tools *and
[2] *sequence
manipulation suite*, which is entirely downloadable for local use.
http://www.bioinformatics.org/sms2/about.html (Darren says:  I agree *SMS *is
very useful indeed and can be run via their website – no installation)

There is *GENtle *which has a whole slew of tools associated with it.  There
are versions for several platforms. http://gentle.magnusmanske.de/ it is
pretty similar to Vector NTI (and open source for the ambitious).

For Macs:

Jovine Luca - *DNA Strider *(1.4) runs just fine on both Tiger and Leopard.
For more info, you can contact the author directly: 

Re: [ccp4bb] OT: VectorNTI alternatives

2009-01-30 Thread Jeffrey Wilson

On Jan 28, 2009, at 3:47 AM, Darren Hart wrote:


ps anyone using VNTI might consider a backup of their work by  
exporting
files to .gb format. I don't know if a locked up (expired) version  
permits

this and you will have no notice that it is about to expire.


My license recently expired.  I had been running VectorNTI on my Mac  
through a Windows virtual machine.  When the license ran out, I was  
unable to export any of the sequences that I had created.  Now, if  
there was only a way to turn back time so that my computer thought it  
was still 2008 ... ehm ...  ;)


Jeff


Re: [ccp4bb] OT: VectorNTI alternatives

2009-01-30 Thread Darren Hart
Hello,
I spoke to Invitrogen (France) today and they said that, if asked, they
would provide a 2 month free license so that people could do exactly this
and recover their files.

The also said they would send me details on a simple procedure to extract
the data from a locked version which I will post on the bb.

They told me they have 100,000 users - so hardly a minor specialist
application! At €650-€4000 per license, that looks quite fruitful for them.

An earlier poster made the point that it is a good thing to pay for good
software. I agree and don't want to seem like a moaner, but I object to the
strategy employed here on this occasion. Hence my original post to find out
what the alternatives are.

Darren

2009/1/30 Jeffrey Wilson wil...@ucmail.uc.edu

 On Jan 28, 2009, at 3:47 AM, Darren Hart wrote:


 ps anyone using VNTI might consider a backup of their work by exporting
 files to .gb format. I don't know if a locked up (expired) version permits
 this and you will have no notice that it is about to expire.


 My license recently expired.  I had been running VectorNTI on my Mac
 through a Windows virtual machine.  When the license ran out, I was unable
 to export any of the sequences that I had created.  Now, if there was only a
 way to turn back time so that my computer thought it was still 2008 ... ehm
 ...  ;)

 Jeff




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Re: [ccp4bb] OT: VectorNTI alternatives

2009-01-30 Thread Thomas Schalch
I'm not sure if it was already mentioned, but for those who use Vector NTI's
ContigExpress to assemble and analyze sequencing data, the Staden package
(http://staden.sourceforge.net/) is a great alternative.

Cheers,

Thomas


Re: [ccp4bb] OT: VectorNTI alternatives

2009-01-29 Thread Francis E Reyes
Not sure if it's been mentioned, but I personally use EnzymeX(http://mekentosj.com/enzymex/ 
) .


Also, I find their PDF library organizer Papers (http://mekentosj.com/papers/ 
) to be exceptional.


Cheers
FR
On Jan 28, 2009, at 1:47 AM, Darren Hart wrote:


Hello,
After several years of offering the molecular biology software  
VectorNTI
free to the academic community (their open access program) and  
building
up a huge user base, Invitrogen have suddenly announced that they  
will no

longer renew these free licences and the existing ones will be left to
expire within the year. There are heavy renewal fees for anyone  
wishing to

continue use of this software.

Can anyone recommend decent alternative PC compatible alternatives?  
Main

uses are construct and primer design, plus simple quick alignments,
sequence data analysis etc. The database structure for storing  
sequences

was pretty useful also.

Ideally free, otherwise reasonably priced. I've seen CLCbio and  
Geneious

have products, both free and paid. Any experience?

Thanks,
Darren
EMBL Grenoble

ps anyone using VNTI might consider a backup of their work by  
exporting
files to .gb format. I don't know if a locked up (expired) version  
permits

this and you will have no notice that it is about to expire.




-
Francis Reyes M.Sc.
215 UCB
University of Colorado at Boulder

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[ccp4bb] OT: VectorNTI alternatives

2009-01-28 Thread Darren Hart
Hello,
After several years of offering the molecular biology software VectorNTI
free to the academic community (their open access program) and building
up a huge user base, Invitrogen have suddenly announced that they will no
longer renew these free licences and the existing ones will be left to
expire within the year. There are heavy renewal fees for anyone wishing to
continue use of this software.

Can anyone recommend decent alternative PC compatible alternatives? Main
uses are construct and primer design, plus simple quick alignments,
sequence data analysis etc. The database structure for storing sequences
was pretty useful also.

Ideally free, otherwise reasonably priced. I've seen CLCbio and Geneious
have products, both free and paid. Any experience?

Thanks,
Darren
EMBL Grenoble

ps anyone using VNTI might consider a backup of their work by exporting
files to .gb format. I don't know if a locked up (expired) version permits
this and you will have no notice that it is about to expire.


Re: [ccp4bb] OT: VectorNTI alternatives

2009-01-28 Thread Sebastiano Pasqualato

Hi Darren,
much much easier than VectorNTI is ApE (http://www.biology.utah.edu/jorgensen/wayned/ape/ 
), which is multi-platform and very easy to use for simple tasks.

Please, could you post a summary of the answers?
Thanks,
ciao
Sebastiano



On Jan 28, 2009, at 9:47 AM, Darren Hart wrote:


Hello,
After several years of offering the molecular biology software  
VectorNTI
free to the academic community (their open access program) and  
building
up a huge user base, Invitrogen have suddenly announced that they  
will no

longer renew these free licences and the existing ones will be left to
expire within the year. There are heavy renewal fees for anyone  
wishing to

continue use of this software.

Can anyone recommend decent alternative PC compatible alternatives?  
Main

uses are construct and primer design, plus simple quick alignments,
sequence data analysis etc. The database structure for storing  
sequences

was pretty useful also.

Ideally free, otherwise reasonably priced. I've seen CLCbio and  
Geneious

have products, both free and paid. Any experience?

Thanks,
Darren
EMBL Grenoble

ps anyone using VNTI might consider a backup of their work by  
exporting
files to .gb format. I don't know if a locked up (expired) version  
permits

this and you will have no notice that it is about to expire.





--
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IFOM-IEO Campus
Dipartimento di Oncologia Sperimentale
Istituto Europeo di Oncologia
via Adamello, 16
20139 - Milano
Italy

tel +39 02 9437 5094


Re: [ccp4bb] OT: VectorNTI alternatives

2009-01-28 Thread James Stroud
I've used serial cloner (http://serialbasics.free.fr/ 
Serial_Cloner.html) but not ApE, which I hope to try now that I know  
of it. One thing that serial cloner has going for it is a nice  
assembly tool that makes construct design much easier. Otherwise it  
could be a little less clunky in its design.


editorial
These days there are too many free alternatives for invitrogen to try  
to pilfer scientists. But I guess many companies are beginning to  
learn what a broken business model really means.


If invitrogen were smart, they'd give their redundant NTI software  
away to whoever will take it and push to make it a convenient front- 
end ordering system for their other services which actually do have  
value beyond the configuration of bits on a hard-drive. (Hint: be like  
google.)

/editorial

James

On Jan 28, 2009, at 1:14 AM, Sebastiano Pasqualato wrote:


Hi Darren,
much much easier than VectorNTI is ApE (http://www.biology.utah.edu/jorgensen/wayned/ape/ 
), which is multi-platform and very easy to use for simple tasks.

Please, could you post a summary of the answers?
Thanks,
ciao
Sebastiano



On Jan 28, 2009, at 9:47 AM, Darren Hart wrote:


Hello,
After several years of offering the molecular biology software  
VectorNTI
free to the academic community (their open access program) and  
building
up a huge user base, Invitrogen have suddenly announced that they  
will no
longer renew these free licences and the existing ones will be left  
to
expire within the year. There are heavy renewal fees for anyone  
wishing to

continue use of this software.

Can anyone recommend decent alternative PC compatible alternatives?  
Main

uses are construct and primer design, plus simple quick alignments,
sequence data analysis etc. The database structure for storing  
sequences

was pretty useful also.

Ideally free, otherwise reasonably priced. I've seen CLCbio and  
Geneious

have products, both free and paid. Any experience?

Thanks,
Darren
EMBL Grenoble

ps anyone using VNTI might consider a backup of their work by  
exporting
files to .gb format. I don't know if a locked up (expired) version  
permits

this and you will have no notice that it is about to expire.





--
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IFOM-IEO Campus
Dipartimento di Oncologia Sperimentale
Istituto Europeo di Oncologia
via Adamello, 16
20139 - Milano
Italy

tel +39 02 9437 5094


Re: [ccp4bb] OT: VectorNTI alternatives

2009-01-28 Thread Mark Brooks
Hi Darren,
  My favourite program for editing sequences (apart from
Vector NTI, which I suppose I'm going to have to delete soon), is
BioEdit:
http://www.mbio.ncsu.edu/BioEdit/bioedit.html
It has an old fashioned  cluttered interface, but does do sequence
editing, translation into proteins, ClustalW alignments and contig
assemblies (a bit like ContigExpress in Vector NTI). It opens ABI
files for sequencing data, to view the chromatograms. It uses the
external programs such as clustalw alignments or cap3 to do the contig
assemblies, and its licence doesn't expire! BioEdit is quite
impressive, and sometimes I use it instead of Vector NTI, even
(honestly!).

For storing everything, I put my primers, plasmid sequences, insert
sequences in a MySQL database, with an HTML front end I wrote:
http://plasmidb.sourceforge.net/
Plasmi::db also has a homespun feel to it, and only works with
Firefox, for example (not other browsers). There is a primer designer
page, for traditional cloning by restriction digestion etc.. I can't
pretend it's in the same league as Vector NTI, though. The data is
stored in a non-proprietary format; database tables which can be
viewed with either the HTML pages, or MS Excel, for example.

I never really believed that Vector NTI was going to stay free (even
to universities etc.) for a long time, and I do think that they
deserve some money for their (excellent) product. I hope that they can
decide on a reasonable pricing scheme though, instead of vacillating
between huge sums and nothing. They seem to be heading towards a
moderate price nowadays, at least.

Mark

2009/1/28 Darren Hart h...@embl.fr:
 Hello,
 After several years of offering the molecular biology software VectorNTI
 free to the academic community (their open access program) and building
 up a huge user base, Invitrogen have suddenly announced that they will no
 longer renew these free licences and the existing ones will be left to
 expire within the year. There are heavy renewal fees for anyone wishing to
 continue use of this software.

 Can anyone recommend decent alternative PC compatible alternatives? Main
 uses are construct and primer design, plus simple quick alignments,
 sequence data analysis etc. The database structure for storing sequences
 was pretty useful also.

 Ideally free, otherwise reasonably priced. I've seen CLCbio and Geneious
 have products, both free and paid. Any experience?

 Thanks,
 Darren
 EMBL Grenoble

 ps anyone using VNTI might consider a backup of their work by exporting
 files to .gb format. I don't know if a locked up (expired) version permits
 this and you will have no notice that it is about to expire.






-- 
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IBBMC,
UMR8619 - Bâtiment 430,
Université de Paris-Sud,
91405 Orsay CEDEX.
Tel: 0169157968
Fax: 0169853715
Skype: markabrooks


Re: [ccp4bb] OT: VectorNTI alternatives

2009-01-28 Thread Yong-Fu Li
I like BioEdit too. It is PC based, downloadable, and very easy to use. It
allows copy-paste of a word or text file, and does alignment, translation,
back translation, etc, and more. Fabulous program.

I also use Lasergene which has the long standing DNA Star, Megalign, but you
have to buy a license. It also requires changing format of files to text and
saving with a specific suffix such as .seq which is inconvenient. You cannot
copy and paste, and when you see a good alignment, you cannot copy and paste
out either.

Yong-Fu Li



On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Mark Brooks mark.x.bro...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi Darren,
  My favourite program for editing sequences (apart from
 Vector NTI, which I suppose I'm going to have to delete soon), is
 BioEdit:
 http://www.mbio.ncsu.edu/BioEdit/bioedit.html
 It has an old fashioned  cluttered interface, but does do sequence
 editing, translation into proteins, ClustalW alignments and contig
 assemblies (a bit like ContigExpress in Vector NTI). It opens ABI
 files for sequencing data, to view the chromatograms. It uses the
 external programs such as clustalw alignments or cap3 to do the contig
 assemblies, and its licence doesn't expire! BioEdit is quite
 impressive, and sometimes I use it instead of Vector NTI, even
 (honestly!).

 For storing everything, I put my primers, plasmid sequences, insert
 sequences in a MySQL database, with an HTML front end I wrote:
 http://plasmidb.sourceforge.net/
 Plasmi::db also has a homespun feel to it, and only works with
 Firefox, for example (not other browsers). There is a primer designer
 page, for traditional cloning by restriction digestion etc.. I can't
 pretend it's in the same league as Vector NTI, though. The data is
 stored in a non-proprietary format; database tables which can be
 viewed with either the HTML pages, or MS Excel, for example.

 I never really believed that Vector NTI was going to stay free (even
 to universities etc.) for a long time, and I do think that they
 deserve some money for their (excellent) product. I hope that they can
 decide on a reasonable pricing scheme though, instead of vacillating
 between huge sums and nothing. They seem to be heading towards a
 moderate price nowadays, at least.

 Mark

 2009/1/28 Darren Hart h...@embl.fr:
  Hello,
  After several years of offering the molecular biology software VectorNTI
  free to the academic community (their open access program) and building
  up a huge user base, Invitrogen have suddenly announced that they will no
  longer renew these free licences and the existing ones will be left to
  expire within the year. There are heavy renewal fees for anyone wishing
 to
  continue use of this software.
 
  Can anyone recommend decent alternative PC compatible alternatives? Main
  uses are construct and primer design, plus simple quick alignments,
  sequence data analysis etc. The database structure for storing sequences
  was pretty useful also.
 
  Ideally free, otherwise reasonably priced. I've seen CLCbio and Geneious
  have products, both free and paid. Any experience?
 
  Thanks,
  Darren
  EMBL Grenoble
 
  ps anyone using VNTI might consider a backup of their work by exporting
  files to .gb format. I don't know if a locked up (expired) version
 permits
  this and you will have no notice that it is about to expire.
 
 
 



 --
 Mark Brooks,
 IBBMC,
 UMR8619 - Bâtiment 430,
 Université de Paris-Sud,
 91405 Orsay CEDEX.
 Tel: 0169157968
 Fax: 0169853715
 Skype: markabrooks



Re: [ccp4bb] OT: VectorNTI alternatives - 4 Mac?

2009-01-28 Thread Mark Collins
Hi 
Anybody have suggestions for Mac OsX alternatives?  
Thanks in advance, 
Mark


Re: [ccp4bb] OT: VectorNTI alternatives - 4 Mac?

2009-01-28 Thread Peter Keller

On Wed, 28 Jan 2009, Jovine Luca wrote:


On 28 Jan 2009, at 16:02, Mark Collins wrote:


Hi
Anybody have suggestions for Mac OsX alternatives?
Thanks in advance,
Mark


Hi Mark,

The latest version of DNA Strider (1.4) runs just fine on both Tiger and 
Leopard. For more info, you can contact the author directly at 
christian.ma...@cea.fr


You could also try Christian Biertuempfel's suggestion of pDRAW32: if it 
works under Wine on Linux, it should work under Wine (or the commercial 
equivalent Codeweavers Crossover) on OS X as well.


Regards,
Peter.

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Re: [ccp4bb] OT: VectorNTI alternatives - 4 Mac?

2009-01-28 Thread Roger Dodd

Hi all,

I've recently come across the program PlasmaDNA which seems pretty good 
for the basics - http://research.med.helsinki.fi/plasmadna/ . It works 
under Mac OS X and Windows... and probably Wine on Linux too.


Cheers,

Roger

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Date: Wed Jan 28 15:02:17 2009


Hi
Anybody have suggestions for Mac OsX alternatives?
Thanks in advance,
Mark


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Re: [ccp4bb] OT: VectorNTI alternatives

2009-01-28 Thread Darren Hart
Hello,
Thanks for all the emails (only some of which reached the bb). It is clear
that I am not alone in feeling aggrieved by Invitrogen suddenly introducing
licence fees, having first persuaded us to put our files and time into their
free product over several years.

Once the thread goes quiet, I'll summarise the suggestions for everyone's
benefit. I've tried several packages today but it would be good if
suggestions were accompanied by brief strengths and weaknesses.

From a first view, there are a number of clunky programs that do the job.
And some that are really just viewers that are difficult to use for sequence
manipulation. As a lab with hundreds of constructs and primers in our
database, we also appreciate the file arrangement/storage as well as the
sequence analysis function.

Thanks
Darren


2009/1/28 Darren Hart h...@embl.fr

 Hello,
 After several years of offering the molecular biology software VectorNTI
 free to the academic community (their open access program) and building
 up a huge user base, Invitrogen have suddenly announced that they will no
 longer renew these free licences and the existing ones will be left to
 expire within the year. There are heavy renewal fees for anyone wishing to
 continue use of this software.

 Can anyone recommend decent alternative PC compatible alternatives? Main
 uses are construct and primer design, plus simple quick alignments,
 sequence data analysis etc. The database structure for storing sequences
 was pretty useful also.

 Ideally free, otherwise reasonably priced. I've seen CLCbio and Geneious
 have products, both free and paid. Any experience?

 Thanks,
 Darren
 EMBL Grenoble

 ps anyone using VNTI might consider a backup of their work by exporting
 files to .gb format. I don't know if a locked up (expired) version permits
 this and you will have no notice that it is about to expire.





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Re: [ccp4bb] OT: VectorNTI alternatives

2009-01-28 Thread Christian Biertuempfel
Hi Darren,
I can recommend another free tool: pDRAW32 ( http://www.acaclone.com/ ).
It runs natively under Windows but I am using it with the emulator wine
on Linux.

Cheers,
christian


Darren Hart wrote:
 Hello,
 After several years of offering the molecular biology software VectorNTI
 free to the academic community (their open access program) and building
 up a huge user base, Invitrogen have suddenly announced that they will no
 longer renew these free licences and the existing ones will be left to
 expire within the year. There are heavy renewal fees for anyone wishing to
 continue use of this software.
 
 Can anyone recommend decent alternative PC compatible alternatives? Main
 uses are construct and primer design, plus simple quick alignments,
 sequence data analysis etc. The database structure for storing sequences
 was pretty useful also.
 
 Ideally free, otherwise reasonably priced. I've seen CLCbio and Geneious
 have products, both free and paid. Any experience?
 
 Thanks,
 Darren
 EMBL Grenoble
 
 ps anyone using VNTI might consider a backup of their work by exporting
 files to .gb format. I don't know if a locked up (expired) version permits
 this and you will have no notice that it is about to expire.
 
 

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Re: [ccp4bb] OT: VectorNTI alternatives - 4 Mac?

2009-01-28 Thread Cynthia Kinsland
There is GENtle which has a whole slew of tools associated with it.   
There are versions for several platforms.


http://gentle.magnusmanske.de/

If you're used to Vector NTI, it is pretty similar (and open source  
for the ambitious).



_
Cynthia Kinsland, Ph. D.
Director, Protein Production and Characterization
Cornell University Core Lab Center
Ithaca, NY 14853




On Jan 28, 2009, at 10:02 AM, Mark Collins wrote:


Hi
Anybody have suggestions for Mac OsX alternatives?
Thanks in advance,
Mark


Re: [ccp4bb] OT: VectorNTI alternatives - 4 Mac?

2009-01-28 Thread yann sterckx

Hi all,

Geneouis also runs on OS X. From my experience (past two years), the  
program works just fine. You can download the trial at http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/math_science/index1.html 
 (second page).


Cheers,

Yann

ir. Yann Sterckx
Pre-doctoral student

Structural Biology Brussels, Vrije Universiteit Brussel (http://www.structuralbiology.be 
)
Molecular and Cellular Interactions, Vlaams Instituut Biotechnologie (http://www.vib.be 
)


VUB - SBB
Building E, 4th  5th floor
Pleinlaan 2
B-1050 Brussels
Belgium
e-mail: yann.ster...@vub.ac.be
skype: yannsterckx

On 28 Jan 2009, at 16:18, Roger Dodd wrote:


Hi all,

I've recently come across the program PlasmaDNA which seems pretty  
good for the basics - http://research.med.helsinki.fi/plasmadna/ .  
It works under Mac OS X and Windows... and probably Wine on Linux too.


Cheers,

Roger

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Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] OT: VectorNTI alternatives - 4 Mac?
From: Mark Collins mcoll...@convex.hhmi.columbia.edu
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Date: Wed Jan 28 15:02:17 2009


Hi
Anybody have suggestions for Mac OsX alternatives?
Thanks in advance,
Mark


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Re: [ccp4bb] OT: VectorNTI alternatives

2009-01-28 Thread Warren DeLano
 From: Darren Hart

 After several years of offering the molecular biology software VectorNTI
 free to the academic community (their open access program) and building
 up a huge user base, Invitrogen have suddenly announced that they will no
 longer renew these free licences and the existing ones will be left to
 expire within the year. There are heavy renewal fees for anyone wishing to
 continue use of this software.

This is reminiscent of what happened with both MDL's Chime and Accelrys' 
WebLab/DSViewer, and it serves as yet another compelling anecdote for why 
scientists should:

1. Be wary of relying upon free tools not based on open-source code.

2. Be extremely wary of free tools which come with a license manager.

3. Instead favor free software tools which strictly meet the established 
definitions of:

   Open Source: http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd, 

   Free Software:  http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html, or

   Public Domain: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain

since it is *only* those tools that can be safely taken for granted over the 
long haul.  

Of course, if taking software tools for granted isn't your top priority, then 
please help to improve scientific software by purchasing high-quality 
commercial tools, by sponsoring and/or participating in open-source projects, 
or by becoming a developer yourself.

Cheers,
Warren



Re: [ccp4bb] OT: VectorNTI alternatives - 4 Mac?

2009-01-28 Thread Michael Giffin
For basic analysis, editing, etc, i really like ApE, A Plasmid
Editor.  Versions are available for OS X, linux and Windows.

http://www.biology.utah.edu/jorgensen/wayned/ape/

i find it does most everything MacVector does, and a few things
MacVector does not do.

What VectorNTI functionality are you looking for?

Mike



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Department of Molecular and Experimental Medicine
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On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 7:02 AM, Mark Collins
mcoll...@convex.hhmi.columbia.edu wrote:
 Hi
 Anybody have suggestions for Mac OsX alternatives?
 Thanks in advance,
 Mark