Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

[Jurgen Bosch]

 by one person during the shift, individual
>>>>> keyboards for each person could be a solution. If people sit down,
>>>>> the desk surface, which may be touched, should likely also be wiped
>>>>> at the beginning and end of the shift I would say.
>>>>> Stay save and best wishes,
>>>>> Andrea.
>>>>> Am 29/04/2020 um 21:04 schrieb Diana Tomchick:
>>>>>> ​100% ethanol or isopropanol work really well on the microscopes,
>>>>>> I soak a Kimwipe and then clean the eyepieces and the knobs for
>>>>>> changing magnification and focus, as well as the door handles,
>>>>>> bench tops, etc.
>>>>>> Diana
>>>>>> **
>>>>>> Diana R. Tomchick
>>>>>> Professor
>>>>>> Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
>>>>>> UT Southwestern Medical Center
>>>>>> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
>>>>>> Rm. ND10.214A
>>>>>> Dallas, TX 75390-8816
>>>>>> diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
>>>>>> (214) 645-6383 (phone)
>>>>>> (214) 645-6353 (fax)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *From:* CCP4 bulletin board  on behalf of
>>>>>> Diana Tomchick 
>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:00 PM
>>>>>> *To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards
>>>>>> EXTERNAL MAIL
>>>>>> ​You could try doing what my technician does with her keyboard;
>>>>>> she wraps it in a clear, thin food wrap that can be taped to the
>>>>>> back of the keyboard. This is usually done to keep food and other
>>>>>> things (liquids) from damaging the keyboard, but you could simply
>>>>>> replace the wrap every time someone else uses it.
>>>>>> Personally I like using a Kimwipe soaked with 100% isopropanol,
>>>>>> I've never yet encountered a keyboard that suffered from having
>>>>>> the writing removed with that or 100% ethanol. Both work and as
>>>>>> long as they are 100% (no water), the keyboard and mouse have no
>>>>>> issues.
>>>>>> Diana
>>>>>> **
>>>>>> Diana R. Tomchick
>>>>>> Professor
>>>>>> Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
>>>>>> UT Southwestern Medical Center
>>>>>> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
>>>>>> Rm. ND10.214A
>>>>>> Dallas, TX 75390-8816
>>>>>> diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
>>>>>> (214) 645-6383 (phone)
>>>>>> (214) 645-6353 (fax)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *From:* CCP4 bulletin board  on behalf of
>>>>>> Tim Gruene 
>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 1:53 PM
>>>>>> *To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
>>>>>> *Subject:* [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>> can you make suggestions for how to disinfect computer keyboards,
>>>>>> and instrument panels?
>>>>>> Our facility is going to reboot next week, with shifts so that
>>>>>> people don't meet. The main interface will be the computer
>>>>>> keyboards, as well as the door of our X-ray diffractometer and the
>>>>>> mounting of the crystals.
>>>>>> The keyboard labels may not like alcohols (and the efficiency of
>>>>>> injecting disinfecting through the USB cable is also under
>>>>>> discussion, so I heard).
>>>>>> One way would be to use individual keyboards, and wearing gloves
>>>>>> for replugging, and to use gloves for mounting crystals.
>>>>>> But maybe there are other ways that won't require gloves?
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>> -- --
>>>>>> Tim Gruene
>>>>>> Head of the Centre for X-ray Structure Analysis
>>>>>> Faculty of Chemistry
>>>>>> University of Vienna
>>>>>> Phone: +43-1-4277-70202
>>>>>> GPG Key ID = A46BEE1A
>>>>>> 

Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

[Tristan Croll]

You got off lucky. An old friend of mine learned this lesson when on a 
particularly sunny day he spent an hour out on a New Zealand glacier in 
shorts with no underwear...


On 2020-05-06 16:17, James Holton wrote:

I feel I should correct you on one thing Tim: UV _can_ go around
corners because it scatters.  I learned this the hard way as a younger
man after a fine day of skiing.  I had put sunscreen everywhere except
the bottom of my nose.

You are right, however, that the intensity after scattering is quite a
bit less than tha main illumination.  This is true for all kinds of
light.

-James Holton
MAD Scientist

On 5/5/2020 11:59 PM, Tim Gruene wrote:

Hi James,

for us, the suggestions of cling film / plastic wrap or just swapping
keyboards and mice per person is the simplest - thanks to everyone for
the many suggestions. Especially the latter, since only two people 
will

operate the instruments.

UV light does not go around corners. It might be useful for fume 
hoods,

but for most places, door handles and other curved surfaces are
probably much more the infecting parts, while they escape the UV 
light.


And vira are transported in water droplets, which are larger than 1um.

Best,
Tim

  On Tue, 5 May 2020 17:19:56 -0700
James Holton  wrote:


All joking aside, there has been a furor of attention on UV-based
disinfection of late.  Some of it is not entirely crazy.  I.E.
Columbia University’s Center for Radiological Research has put
forward the idea of illuminating occupied public areas with
ultra-narrow-band UV-C (222 nm).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5552051/

Mind you, UV-C normally covers 100 - 280 nm, and the PPE requirements
for that (at LBNL at least) are extensive: polycarbonate safety
glasses and face shield with a mark U6 (UV protection), long-sleeved
clothing, and gloves.  Basically: do not expose skin!

The idea behind using monochromatic 222 nm radiation is that it is at
the edge of a very steep increase in the absorption of water,
protein, and other biologicals.  Penetration depths are hard to
estimate because of the steep slope, but they are on the order of 1
micron.  So, smaller than a typical mamalian cell, but bigger than a
bacterium or virus.  The paper above did not have any human subjects,
nor did it discuss how to deal with all the ozone, but the results
are intruiging. Needs further study.

Personally, I think this would probably fog your corneas and perhaps
burn the thin skin on lips and other exposed mucosa. Hair I'd expect
to embrittle and fall apart eventually. Yes, hair is 40 microns thick
and the penetration depth is 1 micron, but photon's don't "stop" at
the penetration depth.  36% of them go deeper. Plastic in keyboards
too would probably bleach and flake with prolonged exposure.  Ever
seen a keyboard left out in the sun for a few weeks?  I'd worry a bit
about this micro-damage creating crevices where bugs could hide.

I encourage you to bring this up with your Health and Safety people,
but make sure they are sitting down first.

-James Holton
MAD Scientist

On 4/29/2020 12:41 PM, Andrea Thorn wrote:

Hi Tim!


100% alcohol is less effective than 80%, and in order to completely
be sure, the keyboard needs not only to be wiped. One can buy
keyboards that can be disinfected because they are waterproof, such
as the Cherry JK-1068DE-2 for about 50 €.


We clean the keyboards in our lab occasionally anyway, and have
used 70% alcohol on them without problem. Disinfectant wipes, a
detergent cleaner (such as Viss Glass & Flächen) and cotton swabs
also offer some help. We wipe our mobile phones with a disinfectant
wipe after washing our hands when arriving home/at work.

I would also be really interested in what could be done with a UV
light, if someone knows?

If the computer is used by one person during the shift, individual
keyboards for each person could be a solution. If people sit down,
the desk surface, which may be touched, should likely also be wiped
at the beginning and end of the shift I would say.

Stay save and best wishes,



Andrea.



Am 29/04/2020 um 21:04 schrieb Diana Tomchick:

​100% ethanol or isopropanol work really well on the microscopes,
I soak a Kimwipe and then clean the eyepieces and the knobs for
changing magnification and focus, as well as the door handles,
bench tops, etc.


Diana


**
Diana R. Tomchick
Professor
Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
UT Southwestern Medical Center
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214A
Dallas, TX 75390-8816
diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
(214) 645-6383 (phone)
(214) 645-6353 (fax)

*From:* CCP4 bulletin board  on behalf of
Diana Tomchick 
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:00 PM
*To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
*Subject:* Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

EXTERNAL MAIL

​You could try doing what my technician does with her keyboard;
she wraps it in a clear, 

Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

[James Holton]

I feel I should correct you on one thing Tim: UV _can_ go around corners 
because it scatters.  I learned this the hard way as a younger man after 
a fine day of skiing.  I had put sunscreen everywhere except the bottom 
of my nose.


You are right, however, that the intensity after scattering is quite a 
bit less than tha main illumination.  This is true for all kinds of light.


-James Holton
MAD Scientist

On 5/5/2020 11:59 PM, Tim Gruene wrote:

Hi James,

for us, the suggestions of cling film / plastic wrap or just swapping
keyboards and mice per person is the simplest - thanks to everyone for
the many suggestions. Especially the latter, since only two people will
operate the instruments.

UV light does not go around corners. It might be useful for fume hoods,
but for most places, door handles and other curved surfaces are
probably much more the infecting parts, while they escape the UV light.

And vira are transported in water droplets, which are larger than 1um.

Best,
Tim

  On Tue, 5 May 2020 17:19:56 -0700
James Holton  wrote:


All joking aside, there has been a furor of attention on UV-based
disinfection of late.  Some of it is not entirely crazy.  I.E.
Columbia University’s Center for Radiological Research has put
forward the idea of illuminating occupied public areas with
ultra-narrow-band UV-C (222 nm).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5552051/

Mind you, UV-C normally covers 100 - 280 nm, and the PPE requirements
for that (at LBNL at least) are extensive: polycarbonate safety
glasses and face shield with a mark U6 (UV protection), long-sleeved
clothing, and gloves.  Basically: do not expose skin!

The idea behind using monochromatic 222 nm radiation is that it is at
the edge of a very steep increase in the absorption of water,
protein, and other biologicals.  Penetration depths are hard to
estimate because of the steep slope, but they are on the order of 1
micron.  So, smaller than a typical mamalian cell, but bigger than a
bacterium or virus.  The paper above did not have any human subjects,
nor did it discuss how to deal with all the ozone, but the results
are intruiging. Needs further study.

Personally, I think this would probably fog your corneas and perhaps
burn the thin skin on lips and other exposed mucosa. Hair I'd expect
to embrittle and fall apart eventually. Yes, hair is 40 microns thick
and the penetration depth is 1 micron, but photon's don't "stop" at
the penetration depth.  36% of them go deeper. Plastic in keyboards
too would probably bleach and flake with prolonged exposure.  Ever
seen a keyboard left out in the sun for a few weeks?  I'd worry a bit
about this micro-damage creating crevices where bugs could hide.

I encourage you to bring this up with your Health and Safety people,
but make sure they are sitting down first.

-James Holton
MAD Scientist

On 4/29/2020 12:41 PM, Andrea Thorn wrote:

Hi Tim!


100% alcohol is less effective than 80%, and in order to completely
be sure, the keyboard needs not only to be wiped. One can buy
keyboards that can be disinfected because they are waterproof, such
as the Cherry JK-1068DE-2 for about 50 €.


We clean the keyboards in our lab occasionally anyway, and have
used 70% alcohol on them without problem. Disinfectant wipes, a
detergent cleaner (such as Viss Glass & Flächen) and cotton swabs
also offer some help. We wipe our mobile phones with a disinfectant
wipe after washing our hands when arriving home/at work.

I would also be really interested in what could be done with a UV
light, if someone knows?

If the computer is used by one person during the shift, individual
keyboards for each person could be a solution. If people sit down,
the desk surface, which may be touched, should likely also be wiped
at the beginning and end of the shift I would say.

Stay save and best wishes,



Andrea.



Am 29/04/2020 um 21:04 schrieb Diana Tomchick:

​100% ethanol or isopropanol work really well on the microscopes,
I soak a Kimwipe and then clean the eyepieces and the knobs for
changing magnification and focus, as well as the door handles,
bench tops, etc.


Diana


**
Diana R. Tomchick
Professor
Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
UT Southwestern Medical Center
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214A
Dallas, TX 75390-8816
diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
(214) 645-6383 (phone)
(214) 645-6353 (fax)

*From:* CCP4 bulletin board  on behalf of
Diana Tomchick 
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:00 PM
*To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
*Subject:* Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

EXTERNAL MAIL

​You could try doing what my technician does with her keyboard;
she wraps it in a clear, thin food wrap that can be taped to the
back of the keyboard. This is usually done to keep food and other
things (liquids) from damaging the keyboard, but you could simply
replace the wrap every time someone else uses it

Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

[Tim Gruene]

Hi James,

for us, the suggestions of cling film / plastic wrap or just swapping
keyboards and mice per person is the simplest - thanks to everyone for
the many suggestions. Especially the latter, since only two people will
operate the instruments.

UV light does not go around corners. It might be useful for fume hoods,
but for most places, door handles and other curved surfaces are
probably much more the infecting parts, while they escape the UV light.

And vira are transported in water droplets, which are larger than 1um.

Best,
Tim

 On Tue, 5 May 2020 17:19:56 -0700
James Holton  wrote:

> All joking aside, there has been a furor of attention on UV-based 
> disinfection of late.  Some of it is not entirely crazy.  I.E.
> Columbia University’s Center for Radiological Research has put
> forward the idea of illuminating occupied public areas with
> ultra-narrow-band UV-C (222 nm).
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5552051/
> 
> Mind you, UV-C normally covers 100 - 280 nm, and the PPE requirements 
> for that (at LBNL at least) are extensive: polycarbonate safety
> glasses and face shield with a mark U6 (UV protection), long-sleeved
> clothing, and gloves.  Basically: do not expose skin!
> 
> The idea behind using monochromatic 222 nm radiation is that it is at 
> the edge of a very steep increase in the absorption of water,
> protein, and other biologicals.  Penetration depths are hard to
> estimate because of the steep slope, but they are on the order of 1
> micron.  So, smaller than a typical mamalian cell, but bigger than a
> bacterium or virus.  The paper above did not have any human subjects,
> nor did it discuss how to deal with all the ozone, but the results
> are intruiging. Needs further study.
> 
> Personally, I think this would probably fog your corneas and perhaps 
> burn the thin skin on lips and other exposed mucosa. Hair I'd expect
> to embrittle and fall apart eventually. Yes, hair is 40 microns thick
> and the penetration depth is 1 micron, but photon's don't "stop" at
> the penetration depth.  36% of them go deeper. Plastic in keyboards
> too would probably bleach and flake with prolonged exposure.  Ever
> seen a keyboard left out in the sun for a few weeks?  I'd worry a bit
> about this micro-damage creating crevices where bugs could hide.
> 
> I encourage you to bring this up with your Health and Safety people,
> but make sure they are sitting down first.
> 
> -James Holton
> MAD Scientist
> 
> On 4/29/2020 12:41 PM, Andrea Thorn wrote:
> >
> > Hi Tim!
> >
> >
> > 100% alcohol is less effective than 80%, and in order to completely
> > be sure, the keyboard needs not only to be wiped. One can buy
> > keyboards that can be disinfected because they are waterproof, such
> > as the Cherry JK-1068DE-2 for about 50 €.
> >
> >
> > We clean the keyboards in our lab occasionally anyway, and have
> > used 70% alcohol on them without problem. Disinfectant wipes, a
> > detergent cleaner (such as Viss Glass & Flächen) and cotton swabs
> > also offer some help. We wipe our mobile phones with a disinfectant
> > wipe after washing our hands when arriving home/at work.
> >
> > I would also be really interested in what could be done with a UV 
> > light, if someone knows?
> >
> > If the computer is used by one person during the shift, individual 
> > keyboards for each person could be a solution. If people sit down,
> > the desk surface, which may be touched, should likely also be wiped
> > at the beginning and end of the shift I would say.
> >
> > Stay save and best wishes,
> >
> >
> >
> > Andrea.
> >
> >
> >
> > Am 29/04/2020 um 21:04 schrieb Diana Tomchick:  
> >>
> >> ​100% ethanol or isopropanol work really well on the microscopes,
> >> I soak a Kimwipe and then clean the eyepieces and the knobs for 
> >> changing magnification and focus, as well as the door handles,
> >> bench tops, etc.
> >>
> >>
> >> Diana
> >>
> >>
> >> **
> >> Diana R. Tomchick
> >> Professor
> >> Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
> >> UT Southwestern Medical Center
> >> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> >> Rm. ND10.214A
> >> Dallas, TX 75390-8816
> >> diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
> >> (214) 645-6383 (phone)
> >> (214) 645-6353 (fax)
> >> 
> >> *From:* CCP4 bulletin board  on behalf of 
> >> Diana Tomchick 
> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:00 PM

Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

[Gloria Borgstahl]

We were looking at these, they look like fun.

https://www.wetkeys.com/Soft-touch-Comfort-Hygienic-Washable-Keyboard-USB-p/kbstfc106-w.htm



On Tue, May 5, 2020, 7:20 PM James Holton  wrote:

> All joking aside, there has been a furor of attention on UV-based
> disinfection of late.  Some of it is not entirely crazy.  I.E. Columbia
> University’s Center for Radiological Research has put forward the idea of
> illuminating occupied public areas with ultra-narrow-band UV-C (222 nm).
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5552051/
>
> Mind you, UV-C normally covers 100 - 280 nm, and the PPE requirements for
> that (at LBNL at least) are extensive: polycarbonate safety glasses and
> face shield with a mark U6 (UV protection), long-sleeved clothing, and
> gloves.  Basically: do not expose skin!
>
> The idea behind using monochromatic 222 nm radiation is that it is at the
> edge of a very steep increase in the absorption of water, protein, and
> other biologicals.  Penetration depths are hard to estimate because of the
> steep slope, but they are on the order of 1 micron.  So, smaller than a
> typical mamalian cell, but bigger than a bacterium or virus.  The paper
> above did not have any human subjects, nor did it discuss how to deal with
> all the ozone, but the results are intruiging. Needs further study.
>
> Personally, I think this would probably fog your corneas and perhaps burn
> the thin skin on lips and other exposed mucosa. Hair I'd expect to
> embrittle and fall apart eventually. Yes, hair is 40 microns thick and the
> penetration depth is 1 micron, but photon's don't "stop" at the penetration
> depth.  36% of them go deeper. Plastic in keyboards too would probably
> bleach and flake with prolonged exposure.  Ever seen a keyboard left out in
> the sun for a few weeks?  I'd worry a bit about this micro-damage creating
> crevices where bugs could hide.
>
> I encourage you to bring this up with your Health and Safety people, but
> make sure they are sitting down first.
>
> -James Holton
> MAD Scientist
>
> On 4/29/2020 12:41 PM, Andrea Thorn wrote:
>
> Hi Tim!
>
>
> 100% alcohol is less effective than 80%, and in order to completely be
> sure, the keyboard needs not only to be wiped. One can buy keyboards that
> can be disinfected because they are waterproof, such as the Cherry
> JK-1068DE-2 for about 50 €.
>
>
> We clean the keyboards in our lab occasionally anyway, and have used 70%
> alcohol on them without problem. Disinfectant wipes, a detergent cleaner
> (such as Viss Glass & Flächen) and cotton swabs also offer some help. We
> wipe our mobile phones with a disinfectant wipe after washing our hands
> when arriving home/at work.
>
> I would also be really interested in what could be done with a UV light,
> if someone knows?
>
> If the computer is used by one person during the shift, individual
> keyboards for each person could be a solution. If people sit down, the desk
> surface, which may be touched, should likely also be wiped at the beginning
> and end of the shift I would say.
>
> Stay save and best wishes,
>
>
>
> Andrea.
>
>
>
> Am 29/04/2020 um 21:04 schrieb Diana Tomchick:
>
> ​100% ethanol or isopropanol work really well on the microscopes, I soak a
> Kimwipe and then clean the eyepieces and the knobs for changing
> magnification and focus, as well as the door handles, bench tops, etc.
>
>
> Diana
>
>
> **
> Diana R. Tomchick
> Professor
> Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
> UT Southwestern Medical Center
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> Rm. ND10.214A
> Dallas, TX 75390-8816
> diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
> (214) 645-6383 (phone)
> (214) 645-6353 (fax)
> --
> *From:* CCP4 bulletin board 
>  on behalf of Diana Tomchick
>  
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:00 PM
> *To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> *Subject:* Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards
>
>
> EXTERNAL MAIL
>
> ​You could try doing what my technician does with her keyboard; she wraps
> it in a clear, thin food wrap that can be taped to the back of the
> keyboard. This is usually done to keep food and other things (liquids) from
> damaging the keyboard, but you could simply replace the wrap every time
> someone else uses it.
>
>
> Personally I like using a Kimwipe soaked with 100% isopropanol, I've never
> yet encountered a keyboard that suffered from having the writing removed
> with that or 100% ethanol. Both work and as long as they are 100% (no
> water), the keyboard and mouse have no issues.
>
>
> Diana
>
>
> **
> Diana R. Tomchic

Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

[James Holton]

All joking aside, there has been a furor of attention on UV-based 
disinfection of late.  Some of it is not entirely crazy.  I.E. Columbia 
University’s Center for Radiological Research has put forward the idea 
of illuminating occupied public areas with ultra-narrow-band UV-C (222 nm).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5552051/

Mind you, UV-C normally covers 100 - 280 nm, and the PPE requirements 
for that (at LBNL at least) are extensive: polycarbonate safety glasses 
and face shield with a mark U6 (UV protection), long-sleeved clothing, 
and gloves.  Basically: do not expose skin!


The idea behind using monochromatic 222 nm radiation is that it is at 
the edge of a very steep increase in the absorption of water, protein, 
and other biologicals.  Penetration depths are hard to estimate because 
of the steep slope, but they are on the order of 1 micron.  So, smaller 
than a typical mamalian cell, but bigger than a bacterium or virus.  The 
paper above did not have any human subjects, nor did it discuss how to 
deal with all the ozone, but the results are intruiging. Needs further 
study.


Personally, I think this would probably fog your corneas and perhaps 
burn the thin skin on lips and other exposed mucosa. Hair I'd expect to 
embrittle and fall apart eventually. Yes, hair is 40 microns thick and 
the penetration depth is 1 micron, but photon's don't "stop" at the 
penetration depth.  36% of them go deeper. Plastic in keyboards too 
would probably bleach and flake with prolonged exposure.  Ever seen a 
keyboard left out in the sun for a few weeks?  I'd worry a bit about 
this micro-damage creating crevices where bugs could hide.


I encourage you to bring this up with your Health and Safety people, but 
make sure they are sitting down first.


-James Holton
MAD Scientist

On 4/29/2020 12:41 PM, Andrea Thorn wrote:


Hi Tim!


100% alcohol is less effective than 80%, and in order to completely be 
sure, the keyboard needs not only to be wiped. One can buy keyboards 
that can be disinfected because they are waterproof, such as the 
Cherry JK-1068DE-2 for about 50 €.



We clean the keyboards in our lab occasionally anyway, and have used 
70% alcohol on them without problem. Disinfectant wipes, a detergent 
cleaner (such as Viss Glass & Flächen) and cotton swabs also offer 
some help. We wipe our mobile phones with a disinfectant wipe after 
washing our hands when arriving home/at work.


I would also be really interested in what could be done with a UV 
light, if someone knows?


If the computer is used by one person during the shift, individual 
keyboards for each person could be a solution. If people sit down, the 
desk surface, which may be touched, should likely also be wiped at the 
beginning and end of the shift I would say.


Stay save and best wishes,



Andrea.



Am 29/04/2020 um 21:04 schrieb Diana Tomchick:


​100% ethanol or isopropanol work really well on the microscopes, I 
soak a Kimwipe and then clean the eyepieces and the knobs for 
changing magnification and focus, as well as the door handles, bench 
tops, etc.



Diana


**
Diana R. Tomchick
Professor
Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
UT Southwestern Medical Center
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214A
Dallas, TX 75390-8816
diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
(214) 645-6383 (phone)
(214) 645-6353 (fax)

*From:* CCP4 bulletin board  on behalf of 
Diana Tomchick 

*Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:00 PM
*To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
*Subject:* Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

EXTERNAL MAIL

​You could try doing what my technician does with her keyboard; she 
wraps it in a clear, thin food wrap that can be taped to the back of 
the keyboard. This is usually done to keep food and other things 
(liquids) from damaging the keyboard, but you could simply replace 
the wrap every time someone else uses it.



Personally I like using a Kimwipe soaked with 100% isopropanol, I've 
never yet encountered a keyboard that suffered from having the 
writing removed with that or 100% ethanol. Both work and as long as 
they are 100% (no water), the keyboard and mouse have no issues.



Diana


**
Diana R. Tomchick
Professor
Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
UT Southwestern Medical Center
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214A
Dallas, TX 75390-8816
diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
(214) 645-6383 (phone)
(214) 645-6353 (fax)

*From:* CCP4 bulletin board  on behalf of Tim 
Gruene 

*Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 1:53 PM
*To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
*Subject:* [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards
Dear all,

can you make suggestions for how to disinfect computer keyboards, and
instrument panels?

Our facility is going to reboot next week, with shifts so that people
don't 

Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

[Tristan Croll]

Posted semi-seriously (they look like they’d be awful to use, but maybe I’m 
being pessimistic): https://wiki.ezvid.com/best-virtual-keyboards. With a 
projection keyboard, all you have to worry about cleaning is the benchtop.
 

 

> On 29 Apr 2020, at 21:38, Crissy Lynette Tarver  wrote:
> 
> https://pdb101.rcsb.org/learn/videos/fighting-coronavirus-with-soap
> 
> 
> Crissy L Tarver
> Postdoctoral Researcher
> Department of Structural Biology
> Stanford University School of Medicine
> From: CCP4 bulletin board  on behalf of Tim Gruene 
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:53:32 AM
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> Subject: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards
>  
> Dear all,
> 
> can you make suggestions for how to disinfect computer keyboards, and
> instrument panels?
> 
> Our facility is going to reboot next week, with shifts so that people
> don't meet. The main interface will be the computer keyboards, as well
> as the door of our X-ray diffractometer and the mounting of the
> crystals.
> 
> The keyboard labels may not like alcohols (and the efficiency of
> injecting disinfecting through the USB cable is also under discussion,
> so I heard).
> 
> One way would be to use individual keyboards, and wearing gloves for
> replugging, and to use gloves for mounting crystals.
> 
> But maybe there are other ways that won't require gloves?
> 
> Best regards,
> Tim
> 
> -- 
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[Crissy Lynette Tarver]

https://pdb101.rcsb.org/learn/videos/fighting-coronavirus-with-soap


Crissy L Tarver
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Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:53:32 AM
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Subject: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

Dear all,

can you make suggestions for how to disinfect computer keyboards, and
instrument panels?

Our facility is going to reboot next week, with shifts so that people
don't meet. The main interface will be the computer keyboards, as well
as the door of our X-ray diffractometer and the mounting of the
crystals.

The keyboard labels may not like alcohols (and the efficiency of
injecting disinfecting through the USB cable is also under discussion,
so I heard).

One way would be to use individual keyboards, and wearing gloves for
replugging, and to use gloves for mounting crystals.

But maybe there are other ways that won't require gloves?

Best regards,
Tim

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Faculty of Chemistry
University of Vienna

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Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

[Lukasz Sobala]

You can find tutorials for everything on YouTube, and one prominently
featured >>tech tip<< uses a dishwasher on a selection of cheap to
expensive keyboards. Interestingly, all keyboards worked after drying.

Good luck,
Lukasz

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020, 22:12 DUMAS Philippe (IGBMC), <
p.du...@ibmc-cnrs.unistra.fr> wrote:

> I got a good advice about it: inject WhiteHouse disinfectant right into
> the cpu.
> Good to repeat it a couple of times, but wear mask and gloves against
> possible Cotrump-16-20 last attacks !
> Hope it will be helpful.
> Philippe Dumas
> (#SupportFauci)
>
>
>
> - Mail original -
> De: "Jurgen Bosch" 
> À: "CCP4BB" 
> Envoyé: Mercredi 29 Avril 2020 21:35:06
> Objet: Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards
>
> You really just need two keyboards per computer, every user change, just
> add the used keyboards into the hutch, the rest should take care of itself
> then.
>
> You are at the source to successfully blast these little viruses
>
> Jürgen
> > On Apr 29, 2020, at 3:30 PM, James Holton  wrote:
> >
> > Keyboards are cheap.  Why not everyone get their own?
> >
> > Then we can all stop fighting about whether the  key should be
> shaped like an "L" or not.
> >
> > -James Holton
> > MAD Scientist
> >
> > On 4/29/2020 11:53 AM, Tim Gruene wrote:
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> can you make suggestions for how to disinfect computer keyboards, and
> >> instrument panels?
> >>
> >> Our facility is going to reboot next week, with shifts so that people
> >> don't meet. The main interface will be the computer keyboards, as well
> >> as the door of our X-ray diffractometer and the mounting of the
> >> crystals.
> >>
> >> The keyboard labels may not like alcohols (and the efficiency of
> >> injecting disinfecting through the USB cable is also under discussion,
> >> so I heard).
> >>
> >> One way would be to use individual keyboards, and wearing gloves for
> >> replugging, and to use gloves for mounting crystals.
> >>
> >> But maybe there are other ways that won't require gloves?
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Tim
> >>
> >
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Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

[Bernhard Rupp]

>This email was not typed but spoken by Siri on my laptop.

Outing yourself?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-SVvtxHJGU

HTH BR


> On Apr 29, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Sravya Mounika Kantamneni 
>  wrote:
> 
> How about using keyboard guards and dissecting them as usual?
> 
> Regards,
> Sravya
> 
>> On Apr 29, 2020, at 8:53 PM, Tim Gruene  wrote:
>> 
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> can you make suggestions for how to disinfect computer keyboards, and 
>> instrument panels?
>> 
>> Our facility is going to reboot next week, with shifts so that people 
>> don't meet. The main interface will be the computer keyboards, as 
>> well as the door of our X-ray diffractometer and the mounting of the 
>> crystals.
>> 
>> The keyboard labels may not like alcohols (and the efficiency of 
>> injecting disinfecting through the USB cable is also under 
>> discussion, so I heard).
>> 
>> One way would be to use individual keyboards, and wearing gloves for 
>> replugging, and to use gloves for mounting crystals.
>> 
>> But maybe there are other ways that won't require gloves?
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Tim
>> 
>> --
>> --
>> Tim Gruene
>> Head of the Centre for X-ray Structure Analysis Faculty of Chemistry 
>> University of Vienna
>> 
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Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

[Matthew Bick]

Even better - UV "inside the computer".  Hasn't been done, but we're
testing it and it looks promising.

Matthew Bick

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 1:12 PM DUMAS Philippe (IGBMC) <
p.du...@ibmc-cnrs.unistra.fr> wrote:

> I got a good advice about it: inject WhiteHouse disinfectant right into
> the cpu.
> Good to repeat it a couple of times, but wear mask and gloves against
> possible Cotrump-16-20 last attacks !
> Hope it will be helpful.
> Philippe Dumas
> (#SupportFauci)
>
>
>
> - Mail original -
> De: "Jurgen Bosch" 
> À: "CCP4BB" 
> Envoyé: Mercredi 29 Avril 2020 21:35:06
> Objet: Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards
>
> You really just need two keyboards per computer, every user change, just
> add the used keyboards into the hutch, the rest should take care of itself
> then.
>
> You are at the source to successfully blast these little viruses
>
> Jürgen
> > On Apr 29, 2020, at 3:30 PM, James Holton  wrote:
> >
> > Keyboards are cheap.  Why not everyone get their own?
> >
> > Then we can all stop fighting about whether the  key should be
> shaped like an "L" or not.
> >
> > -James Holton
> > MAD Scientist
> >
> > On 4/29/2020 11:53 AM, Tim Gruene wrote:
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> can you make suggestions for how to disinfect computer keyboards, and
> >> instrument panels?
> >>
> >> Our facility is going to reboot next week, with shifts so that people
> >> don't meet. The main interface will be the computer keyboards, as well
> >> as the door of our X-ray diffractometer and the mounting of the
> >> crystals.
> >>
> >> The keyboard labels may not like alcohols (and the efficiency of
> >> injecting disinfecting through the USB cable is also under discussion,
> >> so I heard).
> >>
> >> One way would be to use individual keyboards, and wearing gloves for
> >> replugging, and to use gloves for mounting crystals.
> >>
> >> But maybe there are other ways that won't require gloves?
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Tim
> >>
> >
> > 
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Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

[David Briggs]

Have you considered autoclaving the keyboards in between users?

Or maybe autoclave the users?

That'll work, right?

--
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Signalling and Structural Biology Lab
The Francis Crick Institute
London, UK
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Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:19:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards


>I do not know if any of the equipment may suffer damage in the medium or long 
>term due to the incidence of UV light.



Hmm….everything made of cheap plastic….i.e. almost everything made in 
China…that must be the true conspiracy behind the virus!



Cheers, BR



On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 2:53 PM Tim Gruene 
mailto:tim.gru...@univie.ac.at>> wrote:

Dear all,

can you make suggestions for how to disinfect computer keyboards, and
instrument panels?

Our facility is going to reboot next week, with shifts so that people
don't meet. The main interface will be the computer keyboards, as well
as the door of our X-ray diffractometer and the mounting of the
crystals.

The keyboard labels may not like alcohols (and the efficiency of
injecting disinfecting through the USB cable is also under discussion,
so I heard).

One way would be to use individual keyboards, and wearing gloves for
replugging, and to use gloves for mounting crystals.

But maybe there are other ways that won't require gloves?

Best regards,
Tim

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Faculty of Chemistry
University of Vienna

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[Bernhard Rupp]

>I do not know if any of the equipment may suffer damage in the medium or long 
>term due to the incidence of UV light.

 

Hmm….everything made of cheap plastic….i.e. almost everything made in 
China…that must be the true conspiracy behind the virus!

 

Cheers, BR

 

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 2:53 PM Tim Gruene mailto:tim.gru...@univie.ac.at> > wrote:

Dear all,

can you make suggestions for how to disinfect computer keyboards, and
instrument panels?

Our facility is going to reboot next week, with shifts so that people
don't meet. The main interface will be the computer keyboards, as well
as the door of our X-ray diffractometer and the mounting of the
crystals.

The keyboard labels may not like alcohols (and the efficiency of
injecting disinfecting through the USB cable is also under discussion,
so I heard).

One way would be to use individual keyboards, and wearing gloves for
replugging, and to use gloves for mounting crystals.

But maybe there are other ways that won't require gloves?

Best regards,
Tim

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[Frank Von Delft]

Make your users wear masks.

Sent from tiny silly touch screen

From: David Schuller 
Sent: Wednesday, 29 April 2020 21:03
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

If you are going that route, it would make sense to locate the UV lamps in the 
X-ray hutch, since those already have safety interlocks, etc. The X-ray beam 
itself is too directional to uniformly cover much.


On 2020-04-29 15:48, Eduardo Rodríguez-Román wrote:
Hi Tim,
It may be convenient to install a UV light lamp in the room. Have you thought 
about that?
I do not know if any of the equipment may suffer damage in the medium or long 
term due to the incidence of UV light. You must evaluate this.
UV light is used in different microbiology laboratories around the world to 
sterilize the work area.
Just turn on the UV light about ten min before entering the room, then turn off 
the UV light, and wait another 15 min to enter. When leaving, turn on the UV 
light for 10 min, and then turn off.
The UV light on/off switch should be located outside the room.
Best,
Eduardo.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 2:53 PM Tim Gruene 
mailto:tim.gru...@univie.ac.at>> wrote:
Dear all,

can you make suggestions for how to disinfect computer keyboards, and
instrument panels?

Our facility is going to reboot next week, with shifts so that people
don't meet. The main interface will be the computer keyboards, as well
as the door of our X-ray diffractometer and the mounting of the
crystals.

The keyboard labels may not like alcohols (and the efficiency of
injecting disinfecting through the USB cable is also under discussion,
so I heard).

One way would be to use individual keyboards, and wearing gloves for
replugging, and to use gloves for mounting crystals.

But maybe there are other ways that won't require gloves?

Best regards,
Tim

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[DUMAS Philippe (IGBMC)]

I got a good advice about it: inject WhiteHouse disinfectant right into the cpu.
Good to repeat it a couple of times, but wear mask and gloves against possible 
Cotrump-16-20 last attacks !
Hope it will be helpful.
Philippe Dumas 
(#SupportFauci)



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De: "Jurgen Bosch" 
À: "CCP4BB" 
Envoyé: Mercredi 29 Avril 2020 21:35:06
Objet: Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

You really just need two keyboards per computer, every user change, just add 
the used keyboards into the hutch, the rest should take care of itself then.

You are at the source to successfully blast these little viruses

Jürgen 
> On Apr 29, 2020, at 3:30 PM, James Holton  wrote:
> 
> Keyboards are cheap.  Why not everyone get their own?
> 
> Then we can all stop fighting about whether the  key should be shaped 
> like an "L" or not.
> 
> -James Holton
> MAD Scientist
> 
> On 4/29/2020 11:53 AM, Tim Gruene wrote:
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> can you make suggestions for how to disinfect computer keyboards, and
>> instrument panels?
>> 
>> Our facility is going to reboot next week, with shifts so that people
>> don't meet. The main interface will be the computer keyboards, as well
>> as the door of our X-ray diffractometer and the mounting of the
>> crystals.
>> 
>> The keyboard labels may not like alcohols (and the efficiency of
>> injecting disinfecting through the USB cable is also under discussion,
>> so I heard).
>> 
>> One way would be to use individual keyboards, and wearing gloves for
>> replugging, and to use gloves for mounting crystals.
>> 
>> But maybe there are other ways that won't require gloves?
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Tim
>> 
> 
> 
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Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

[David Schuller]

If you are going that route, it would make sense to locate the UV lamps 
in the X-ray hutch, since those already have safety interlocks, etc. The 
X-ray beam itself is too directional to uniformly cover much.



On 2020-04-29 15:48, Eduardo Rodríguez-Román wrote:

Hi Tim,
It may be convenient to install a UV light lamp in the room. Have you 
thought about that?
I do not know if any of the equipment may suffer damage in the medium 
or long term due to the incidence of UV light. You must evaluate this.
UV light is used in different microbiology laboratories around the 
world to sterilize the work area.
Just turn on the UV light about ten min before entering the room, then 
turn off the UV light, and wait another 15 min to enter. When leaving, 
turn on the UV light for 10 min, and then turn off.

The UV light on/off switch should be located outside the room.
Best,
Eduardo.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 2:53 PM Tim Gruene > wrote:


Dear all,

can you make suggestions for how to disinfect computer keyboards, and
instrument panels?

Our facility is going to reboot next week, with shifts so that people
don't meet. The main interface will be the computer keyboards, as well
as the door of our X-ray diffractometer and the mounting of the
crystals.

The keyboard labels may not like alcohols (and the efficiency of
injecting disinfecting through the USB cable is also under discussion,
so I heard).

One way would be to use individual keyboards, and wearing gloves for
replugging, and to use gloves for mounting crystals.

But maybe there are other ways that won't require gloves?

Best regards,
Tim

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University of Vienna

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Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

[Crissy Lynette Tarver]

Hello,

I agree with wiping instruments down with 75-80% ethanol (as used to clean 
during cell culture). However, the BEST precaution is simply not touching your 
face and washing your hands for 20-30 seconds after touching anything. I made 
it a habit of scrubbing my hands with Hibiclens after every shift when I worked 
in ER, and I was ill only 3 times in 12 years.

Crissy L Tarver
Postdoctoral Researcher
Department of Structural Biology
Stanford University School of Medicine

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Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 12:41:57 PM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK 
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards


Hi Tim!


100% alcohol is less effective than 80%, and in order to completely be sure, 
the keyboard needs not only to be wiped. One can buy keyboards that can be 
disinfected because they are waterproof, such as the Cherry JK-1068DE-2 for 
about 50 €.


We clean the keyboards in our lab occasionally anyway, and have used 70% 
alcohol on them without problem. Disinfectant wipes, a detergent cleaner (such 
as Viss Glass & Flächen) and cotton swabs also offer some help. We wipe our 
mobile phones with a disinfectant wipe after washing our hands when arriving 
home/at work.

I would also be really interested in what could be done with a UV light, if 
someone knows?

If the computer is used by one person during the shift, individual keyboards 
for each person could be a solution. If people sit down, the desk surface, 
which may be touched, should likely also be wiped at the beginning and end of 
the shift I would say.

Stay save and best wishes,



Andrea.



Am 29/04/2020 um 21:04 schrieb Diana Tomchick:

​100% ethanol or isopropanol work really well on the microscopes, I soak a 
Kimwipe and then clean the eyepieces and the knobs for changing magnification 
and focus, as well as the door handles, bench tops, etc.


Diana


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Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
UT Southwestern Medical Center
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214A
Dallas, TX 75390-8816
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​You could try doing what my technician does with her keyboard; she wraps it in 
a clear, thin food wrap that can be taped to the back of the keyboard. This is 
usually done to keep food and other things (liquids) from damaging the 
keyboard, but you could simply replace the wrap every time someone else uses it.


Personally I like using a Kimwipe soaked with 100% isopropanol, I've never yet 
encountered a keyboard that suffered from having the writing removed with that 
or 100% ethanol. Both work and as long as they are 100% (no water), the 
keyboard and mouse have no issues.


Diana


**
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Professor
Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
UT Southwestern Medical Center
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214A
Dallas, TX 75390-8816
diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu<mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>
(214) 645-6383 (phone)
(214) 645-6353 (fax)

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Subject: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

Dear all,

can you make suggestions for how to disinfect computer keyboards, and
instrument panels?

Our facility is going to reboot next week, with shifts so that people
don't meet. The main interface will be the computer keyboards, as well
as the door of our X-ray diffractometer and the mounting of the
crystals.

The keyboard labels may not like alcohols (and the efficiency of
injecting disinfecting through the USB cable is also under discussion,
so I heard).

One way would be to use individual keyboards, and wearing gloves for
replugging, and to use gloves for mounting crystals.

But maybe there are other ways that won't require gloves?

Best regards,
Tim

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Head of the Centre for X-ray Structure Analysis
Faculty of Chemistry
University of Vienna

Phone: +43-1-4277-70202

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Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

[Eduardo Rodríguez-Román]

Hi Tim,
It may be convenient to install a UV light lamp in the room. Have you
thought about that?
I do not know if any of the equipment may suffer damage in the medium or
long term due to the incidence of UV light. You must evaluate this.
UV light is used in different microbiology laboratories around the world to
sterilize the work area.
Just turn on the UV light about ten min before entering the room, then turn
off the UV light, and wait another 15 min to enter. When leaving, turn on
the UV light for 10 min, and then turn off.
The UV light on/off switch should be located outside the room.
Best,
Eduardo.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 2:53 PM Tim Gruene  wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> can you make suggestions for how to disinfect computer keyboards, and
> instrument panels?
>
> Our facility is going to reboot next week, with shifts so that people
> don't meet. The main interface will be the computer keyboards, as well
> as the door of our X-ray diffractometer and the mounting of the
> crystals.
>
> The keyboard labels may not like alcohols (and the efficiency of
> injecting disinfecting through the USB cable is also under discussion,
> so I heard).
>
> One way would be to use individual keyboards, and wearing gloves for
> replugging, and to use gloves for mounting crystals.
>
> But maybe there are other ways that won't require gloves?
>
> Best regards,
> Tim
>
> --
> --
> Tim Gruene
> Head of the Centre for X-ray Structure Analysis
> Faculty of Chemistry
> University of Vienna
>
> Phone: +43-1-4277-70202
>
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>
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[Andrea Thorn]

Hi Tim!


100% alcohol is less effective than 80%, and in order to completely be
sure, the keyboard needs not only to be wiped. One can buy keyboards
that can be disinfected because they are waterproof, such as the Cherry
JK-1068DE-2 for about 50 €.


We clean the keyboards in our lab occasionally anyway, and have used 70%
alcohol on them without problem. Disinfectant wipes, a detergent cleaner
(such as Viss Glass & Flächen) and cotton swabs also offer some help. We
wipe our mobile phones with a disinfectant wipe after washing our hands
when arriving home/at work.

I would also be really interested in what could be done with a UV light,
if someone knows?

If the computer is used by one person during the shift, individual
keyboards for each person could be a solution. If people sit down, the
desk surface, which may be touched, should likely also be wiped at the
beginning and end of the shift I would say.

Stay save and best wishes,



Andrea.



Am 29/04/2020 um 21:04 schrieb Diana Tomchick:


​100% ethanol or isopropanol work really well on the microscopes, I
soak a Kimwipe and then clean the eyepieces and the knobs for changing
magnification and focus, as well as the door handles, bench tops, etc.


Diana


**
Diana R. Tomchick
Professor
Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
UT Southwestern Medical Center
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214A
Dallas, TX 75390-8816
diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
(214) 645-6383 (phone)
(214) 645-6353 (fax)

*From:* CCP4 bulletin board  on behalf of Diana
Tomchick 
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:00 PM
*To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
*Subject:* Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

EXTERNAL MAIL

​You could try doing what my technician does with her keyboard; she
wraps it in a clear, thin food wrap that can be taped to the back of
the keyboard. This is usually done to keep food and other things
(liquids) from damaging the keyboard, but you could simply replace the
wrap every time someone else uses it.


Personally I like using a Kimwipe soaked with 100% isopropanol, I've
never yet encountered a keyboard that suffered from having the writing
removed with that or 100% ethanol. Both work and as long as they are
100% (no water), the keyboard and mouse have no issues.


Diana


**
Diana R. Tomchick
Professor
Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
UT Southwestern Medical Center
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214A
Dallas, TX 75390-8816
diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
(214) 645-6383 (phone)
(214) 645-6353 (fax)

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Gruene 
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 1:53 PM
*To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
*Subject:* [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards
Dear all,

can you make suggestions for how to disinfect computer keyboards, and
instrument panels?

Our facility is going to reboot next week, with shifts so that people
don't meet. The main interface will be the computer keyboards, as well
as the door of our X-ray diffractometer and the mounting of the
crystals.

The keyboard labels may not like alcohols (and the efficiency of
injecting disinfecting through the USB cable is also under discussion,
so I heard).

One way would be to use individual keyboards, and wearing gloves for
replugging, and to use gloves for mounting crystals.

But maybe there are other ways that won't require gloves?

Best regards,
Tim

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Head of the Centre for X-ray Structure Analysis
Faculty of Chemistry
University of Vienna

Phone: +43-1-4277-70202

GPG Key ID = A46BEE1A



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Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

[James Holton]

Because as soon as I put on gloves my nose starts to itch.

On 4/29/2020 12:37 PM, gianluca.sant...@esrf.fr wrote:

ISO keyboards are bad.
But why not just using disposable gloves to operate the instruments?

On April 29, 2020 9:30:19 PM GMT+02:00, James Holton 
 wrote:


Keyboards are cheap.  Why not everyone get their own?

Then we can all stop fighting about whether the  key should be
shaped like an "L" or not.

-James Holton
MAD Scientist

On 4/29/2020 11:53 AM, Tim Gruene wrote:

Dear all, can you make suggestions for how to disinfect
computer keyboards, and instrument panels? Our facility is
going to reboot next week, with shifts so that people don't
meet. The main interface will be the computer keyboards, as
well as the door of our X-ray diffractometer and the mounting
of the crystals. The keyboard labels may not like alcohols
(and the efficiency of injecting disinfecting through the USB
cable is also under discussion, so I heard). One way would be
to use individual keyboards, and wearing gloves for
replugging, and to use gloves for mounting crystals. But maybe
there are other ways that won't require gloves? Best regards, Tim 





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Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

[Ankita Singla]

Injecting the disinfectant might not be much functional. Maybe the Royal
Society of London have thoughts to add to this. Can we publish it and call
it a computer hazard! *laughs*


Ankita Singla
Masters student
All India Institute of medical sciences
New Delhi

On Thu 30 Apr, 2020, 12:54 AM , <
0c2488af9525-dmarc-requ...@jiscmail.ac.uk> wrote:

> Re: injecting disinfect[ing]ant[?] through the USB cable [port?].
>
> Dear Tim
>
> I am intrigued, seriously.
>
> Best wishes.
>
> Jon Cooper
>
> On 29 Apr 2020 19:53, Tim Gruene  wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> can you make suggestions for how to disinfect computer keyboards, and
> instrument panels?
>
> Our facility is going to reboot next week, with shifts so that people
> don't meet. The main interface will be the computer keyboards, as well
> as the door of our X-ray diffractometer and the mounting of the
> crystals.
>
> The keyboard labels may not like alcohols (and the efficiency of
> injecting disinfecting through the USB cable is also under discussion,
> so I heard).
>
> One way would be to use individual keyboards, and wearing gloves for
> replugging, and to use gloves for mounting crystals.
>
> But maybe there are other ways that won't require gloves?
>
> Best regards,
> Tim
>
> --
> --
> Tim Gruene
> Head of the Centre for X-ray Structure Analysis
> Faculty of Chemistry
> University of Vienna
>
> Phone: +43-1-4277-70202
>
> GPG Key ID = A46BEE1A
>
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> On 29 Apr 2020 19:53, Tim Gruene  wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> can you make suggestions for how to disinfect computer keyboards, and
> instrument panels?
>
> Our facility is going to reboot next week, with shifts so that people
> don't meet. The main interface will be the computer keyboards, as well
> as the door of our X-ray diffractometer and the mounting of the
> crystals.
>
> The keyboard labels may not like alcohols (and the efficiency of
> injecting disinfecting through the USB cable is also under discussion,
> so I heard).
>
> One way would be to use individual keyboards, and wearing gloves for
> replugging, and to use gloves for mounting crystals.
>
> But maybe there are other ways that won't require gloves?
>
> Best regards,
> Tim
>
> --
> --
> Tim Gruene
> Head of the Centre for X-ray Structure Analysis
> Faculty of Chemistry
> University of Vienna
>
> Phone: +43-1-4277-70202
>
> GPG Key ID = A46BEE1A
>
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> On 29 Apr 2020 19:53, Tim Gruene  wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> can you make suggestions for how to disinfect computer keyboards, and
> instrument panels?
>
> Our facility is going to reboot next week, with shifts so that people
> don't meet. The main interface will be the computer keyboards, as well
> as the door of our X-ray diffractometer and the mounting of the
> crystals.
>
> The keyboard labels may not like alcohols (and the efficiency of
> injecting disinfecting through the USB cable is also under discussion,
> so I heard).
>
> One way would be to use individual keyboards, and wearing gloves for
> replugging, and to use gloves for mounting crystals.
>
> But maybe there are other ways that won't require gloves?
>
> Best regards,
> Tim
>
> --
> --
> Tim Gruene
> Head of the Centre for X-ray Structure Analysis
> Faculty of Chemistry
> University of Vienna
>
> Phone: +43-1-4277-70202
>
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Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

[Gianluca Santoni]

ISO keyboards are bad.
But why not just using disposable gloves to operate the instruments?

On April 29, 2020 9:30:19 PM GMT+02:00, James Holton  wrote:
>Keyboards are cheap.  Why not everyone get their own?
>
>Then we can all stop fighting about whether the  key should be 
>shaped like an "L" or not.
>
>-James Holton
>MAD Scientist
>
>On 4/29/2020 11:53 AM, Tim Gruene wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> can you make suggestions for how to disinfect computer keyboards, and
>> instrument panels?
>>
>> Our facility is going to reboot next week, with shifts so that people
>> don't meet. The main interface will be the computer keyboards, as
>well
>> as the door of our X-ray diffractometer and the mounting of the
>> crystals.
>>
>> The keyboard labels may not like alcohols (and the efficiency of
>> injecting disinfecting through the USB cable is also under
>discussion,
>> so I heard).
>>
>> One way would be to use individual keyboards, and wearing gloves for
>> replugging, and to use gloves for mounting crystals.
>>
>> But maybe there are other ways that won't require gloves?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Tim
>>
>
>
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Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

[Jurgen Bosch]

You really just need two keyboards per computer, every user change, just add 
the used keyboards into the hutch, the rest should take care of itself then.

You are at the source to successfully blast these little viruses

Jürgen 
> On Apr 29, 2020, at 3:30 PM, James Holton  wrote:
> 
> Keyboards are cheap.  Why not everyone get their own?
> 
> Then we can all stop fighting about whether the  key should be shaped 
> like an "L" or not.
> 
> -James Holton
> MAD Scientist
> 
> On 4/29/2020 11:53 AM, Tim Gruene wrote:
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> can you make suggestions for how to disinfect computer keyboards, and
>> instrument panels?
>> 
>> Our facility is going to reboot next week, with shifts so that people
>> don't meet. The main interface will be the computer keyboards, as well
>> as the door of our X-ray diffractometer and the mounting of the
>> crystals.
>> 
>> The keyboard labels may not like alcohols (and the efficiency of
>> injecting disinfecting through the USB cable is also under discussion,
>> so I heard).
>> 
>> One way would be to use individual keyboards, and wearing gloves for
>> replugging, and to use gloves for mounting crystals.
>> 
>> But maybe there are other ways that won't require gloves?
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Tim
>> 
> 
> 
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Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

[James Holton]

Keyboards are cheap.  Why not everyone get their own?

Then we can all stop fighting about whether the  key should be 
shaped like an "L" or not.


-James Holton
MAD Scientist

On 4/29/2020 11:53 AM, Tim Gruene wrote:

Dear all,

can you make suggestions for how to disinfect computer keyboards, and
instrument panels?

Our facility is going to reboot next week, with shifts so that people
don't meet. The main interface will be the computer keyboards, as well
as the door of our X-ray diffractometer and the mounting of the
crystals.

The keyboard labels may not like alcohols (and the efficiency of
injecting disinfecting through the USB cable is also under discussion,
so I heard).

One way would be to use individual keyboards, and wearing gloves for
replugging, and to use gloves for mounting crystals.

But maybe there are other ways that won't require gloves?

Best regards,
Tim





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Re: injecting disinfect[ing]ant[?] through the USB cable [port?].Dear TimI am intrigued, seriously.Best wishes.Jon CooperOn 29 Apr 2020 19:53, Tim Gruene  wrote:Dear all,



can you make suggestions for how to disinfect computer keyboards, and

instrument panels?



Our facility is going to reboot next week, with shifts so that people

don't meet. The main interface will be the computer keyboards, as well

as the door of our X-ray diffractometer and the mounting of the

crystals.



The keyboard labels may not like alcohols (and the efficiency of

injecting disinfecting through the USB cable is also under discussion,

so I heard).



One way would be to use individual keyboards, and wearing gloves for

replugging, and to use gloves for mounting crystals.



But maybe there are other ways that won't require gloves?



Best regards,

Tim



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On 29 Apr 2020 19:53, Tim Gruene  wrote:Dear all,



can you make suggestions for how to disinfect computer keyboards, and

instrument panels?



Our facility is going to reboot next week, with shifts so that people

don't meet. The main interface will be the computer keyboards, as well

as the door of our X-ray diffractometer and the mounting of the

crystals.



The keyboard labels may not like alcohols (and the efficiency of

injecting disinfecting through the USB cable is also under discussion,

so I heard).



One way would be to use individual keyboards, and wearing gloves for

replugging, and to use gloves for mounting crystals.



But maybe there are other ways that won't require gloves?



Best regards,

Tim



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--

Tim Gruene

Head of the Centre for X-ray Structure Analysis

Faculty of Chemistry

University of Vienna



Phone: +43-1-4277-70202



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On 29 Apr 2020 19:53, Tim Gruene  wrote:Dear all,

can you make suggestions for how to disinfect computer keyboards, and
instrument panels?

Our facility is going to reboot next week, with shifts so that people
don't meet. The main interface will be the computer keyboards, as well
as the door of our X-ray diffractometer and the mounting of the
crystals.

The keyboard labels may not like alcohols (and the efficiency of
injecting disinfecting through the USB cable is also under discussion,
so I heard).

One way would be to use individual keyboards, and wearing gloves for
replugging, and to use gloves for mounting crystals.

But maybe there are other ways that won't require gloves?

Best regards,
Tim

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Head of the Centre for X-ray Structure Analysis
Faculty of Chemistry
University of Vienna

Phone: +43-1-4277-70202

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Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

[Jurgen Bosch]

Somehow this reminds me of the scene of Scotty talking into the mouse when he 
is instructed to use the keyboard to interact with the computer.

How is voice recognition these days on Linux?

This email was not typed but spoken by Siri on my laptop.

Jürgen 


> On Apr 29, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Sravya Mounika Kantamneni 
>  wrote:
> 
> How about using keyboard guards and dissecting them as usual?
> 
> Regards,
> Sravya
> 
>> On Apr 29, 2020, at 8:53 PM, Tim Gruene  wrote:
>> 
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> can you make suggestions for how to disinfect computer keyboards, and
>> instrument panels?
>> 
>> Our facility is going to reboot next week, with shifts so that people
>> don't meet. The main interface will be the computer keyboards, as well
>> as the door of our X-ray diffractometer and the mounting of the
>> crystals.
>> 
>> The keyboard labels may not like alcohols (and the efficiency of
>> injecting disinfecting through the USB cable is also under discussion,
>> so I heard).
>> 
>> One way would be to use individual keyboards, and wearing gloves for
>> replugging, and to use gloves for mounting crystals.
>> 
>> But maybe there are other ways that won't require gloves?
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Tim
>> 
>> -- 
>> --
>> Tim Gruene
>> Head of the Centre for X-ray Structure Analysis
>> Faculty of Chemistry
>> University of Vienna
>> 
>> Phone: +43-1-4277-70202
>> 
>> GPG Key ID = A46BEE1A
>> 
>> 
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Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

[Sravya Mounika Kantamneni]

How about using keyboard guards and dissecting them as usual?

Regards,
Sravya

> On Apr 29, 2020, at 8:53 PM, Tim Gruene  wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> can you make suggestions for how to disinfect computer keyboards, and
> instrument panels?
> 
> Our facility is going to reboot next week, with shifts so that people
> don't meet. The main interface will be the computer keyboards, as well
> as the door of our X-ray diffractometer and the mounting of the
> crystals.
> 
> The keyboard labels may not like alcohols (and the efficiency of
> injecting disinfecting through the USB cable is also under discussion,
> so I heard).
> 
> One way would be to use individual keyboards, and wearing gloves for
> replugging, and to use gloves for mounting crystals.
> 
> But maybe there are other ways that won't require gloves?
> 
> Best regards,
> Tim
> 
> -- 
> --
> Tim Gruene
> Head of the Centre for X-ray Structure Analysis
> Faculty of Chemistry
> University of Vienna
> 
> Phone: +43-1-4277-70202
> 
> GPG Key ID = A46BEE1A
> 
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Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

[Ethan A Merritt]

On Wednesday, 29 April 2020 11:53:32 PDT Tim Gruene wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> can you make suggestions for how to disinfect computer keyboards, and
> instrument panels?

The consensus here is that the keyboards must have a cover that can be
washed/disinfected.  They are not [usually] that hard to find. Sometimes
they are called "skins" rather than covers.

Instrument panels - no idea.  Labs here have discussed instituting a strict
tagging system with a log.  One user per instrument, separated by
[72 hours? not sure if there is a consensus] between users. 

Ethan

> 
> Our facility is going to reboot next week, with shifts so that people
> don't meet. The main interface will be the computer keyboards, as well
> as the door of our X-ray diffractometer and the mounting of the
> crystals.
> 
> The keyboard labels may not like alcohols (and the efficiency of
> injecting disinfecting through the USB cable is also under discussion,
> so I heard).
> 
> One way would be to use individual keyboards, and wearing gloves for
> replugging, and to use gloves for mounting crystals.
> 
> But maybe there are other ways that won't require gloves?
> 
> Best regards,
> Tim
> 
> 


-- 
Ethan A Merritt
Biomolecular Structure Center,  K-428 Health Sciences Bldg
MS 357742,   University of Washington, Seattle 98195-7742



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Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

[Diana Tomchick]

?100% ethanol or isopropanol work really well on the microscopes, I soak a 
Kimwipe and then clean the eyepieces and the knobs for changing magnification 
and focus, as well as the door handles, bench tops, etc.


Diana


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Professor
Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
UT Southwestern Medical Center
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214A
Dallas, TX 75390-8816
diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
(214) 645-6383 (phone)
(214) 645-6353 (fax)

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?You could try doing what my technician does with her keyboard; she wraps it in 
a clear, thin food wrap that can be taped to the back of the keyboard. This is 
usually done to keep food and other things (liquids) from damaging the 
keyboard, but you could simply replace the wrap every time someone else uses it.


Personally I like using a Kimwipe soaked with 100% isopropanol, I've never yet 
encountered a keyboard that suffered from having the writing removed with that 
or 100% ethanol. Both work and as long as they are 100% (no water), the 
keyboard and mouse have no issues.


Diana


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Professor
Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
UT Southwestern Medical Center
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214A
Dallas, TX 75390-8816
diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
(214) 645-6383 (phone)
(214) 645-6353 (fax)

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To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

Dear all,

can you make suggestions for how to disinfect computer keyboards, and
instrument panels?

Our facility is going to reboot next week, with shifts so that people
don't meet. The main interface will be the computer keyboards, as well
as the door of our X-ray diffractometer and the mounting of the
crystals.

The keyboard labels may not like alcohols (and the efficiency of
injecting disinfecting through the USB cable is also under discussion,
so I heard).

One way would be to use individual keyboards, and wearing gloves for
replugging, and to use gloves for mounting crystals.

But maybe there are other ways that won't require gloves?

Best regards,
Tim

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Faculty of Chemistry
University of Vienna

Phone: +43-1-4277-70202

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Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

[Diana Tomchick]

?You could try doing what my technician does with her keyboard; she wraps it in 
a clear, thin food wrap that can be taped to the back of the keyboard. This is 
usually done to keep food and other things (liquids) from damaging the 
keyboard, but you could simply replace the wrap every time someone else uses it.


Personally I like using a Kimwipe soaked with 100% isopropanol, I've never yet 
encountered a keyboard that suffered from having the writing removed with that 
or 100% ethanol. Both work and as long as they are 100% (no water), the 
keyboard and mouse have no issues.


Diana


**
Diana R. Tomchick
Professor
Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
UT Southwestern Medical Center
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214A
Dallas, TX 75390-8816
diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
(214) 645-6383 (phone)
(214) 645-6353 (fax)

From: CCP4 bulletin board  on behalf of Tim Gruene 

Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 1:53 PM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

Dear all,

can you make suggestions for how to disinfect computer keyboards, and
instrument panels?

Our facility is going to reboot next week, with shifts so that people
don't meet. The main interface will be the computer keyboards, as well
as the door of our X-ray diffractometer and the mounting of the
crystals.

The keyboard labels may not like alcohols (and the efficiency of
injecting disinfecting through the USB cable is also under discussion,
so I heard).

One way would be to use individual keyboards, and wearing gloves for
replugging, and to use gloves for mounting crystals.

But maybe there are other ways that won't require gloves?

Best regards,
Tim

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Head of the Centre for X-ray Structure Analysis
Faculty of Chemistry
University of Vienna

Phone: +43-1-4277-70202

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Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

[Dominika Borek]

http://www.viziflex.com/disposables/universal-disposable-50-pack/

D.


On 2020-04-29 01:53 PM, Tim Gruene wrote:

Dear all,

can you make suggestions for how to disinfect computer keyboards, and
instrument panels?

Our facility is going to reboot next week, with shifts so that people
don't meet. The main interface will be the computer keyboards, as well
as the door of our X-ray diffractometer and the mounting of the
crystals.

The keyboard labels may not like alcohols (and the efficiency of
injecting disinfecting through the USB cable is also under discussion,
so I heard).

One way would be to use individual keyboards, and wearing gloves for
replugging, and to use gloves for mounting crystals.

But maybe there are other ways that won't require gloves?

Best regards,
Tim

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Head of the Centre for X-ray Structure Analysis
Faculty of Chemistry
University of Vienna

Phone: +43-1-4277-70202

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Re: [ccp4bb] disinfecting keyboards

[Tristan Croll]

I once knew a particularly germaphobic IT manager who used to absolutely 
*everything* via ssh or remote desktop from his own laptop, even when he 
was physically in front of the user's computer. If feasible, that 
approach would actually seem quite smart in the current environment.


On 2020-04-29 19:53, Tim Gruene wrote:

Dear all,

can you make suggestions for how to disinfect computer keyboards, and
instrument panels?

Our facility is going to reboot next week, with shifts so that people
don't meet. The main interface will be the computer keyboards, as well
as the door of our X-ray diffractometer and the mounting of the
crystals.

The keyboard labels may not like alcohols (and the efficiency of
injecting disinfecting through the USB cable is also under discussion,
so I heard).

One way would be to use individual keyboards, and wearing gloves for
replugging, and to use gloves for mounting crystals.

But maybe there are other ways that won't require gloves?

Best regards,
Tim

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Head of the Centre for X-ray Structure Analysis
Faculty of Chemistry
University of Vienna

Phone: +43-1-4277-70202

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