On 2018-10-19 3:15 PM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote:
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 11:34 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk
wrote:
Here is a great example of why the keyboards and terminals are getting
separated
On 2018-10-19 5:17 PM, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote:
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 1:51 AM Jim Manley via cctalk
wrote:
long before the Color Graphics Adapters were
available, about six months after launch, and the CGAs were only
produced in response to the completely unanticipated demand for the
Anybody else notice that all the buyers for that keyboard on ebay are under
10 feedback?
The only Digital keyboards I have are a pair of LK411-AA that go with my
VT-525's. The recycler kept a stack of VT-525s for a while but the stack of
LK411 that went with them got their cords cut and
i need decmate 2 colored keyboard for wordprocessing wps8 thanks ed
In a message dated 10/19/2018 1:55:05 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:
On 10/19/18 1:18 PM, Daniel Seagraves via cctalk wrote:
>> On Oct 19, 2018, at 10:34 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk
long before the Color Graphics Adapters were
available, about six months after launch, and the CGAs were only
produced in response to the completely unanticipated demand for the
PC.
On Fri, 19 Oct 2018, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote:
Are you certain? My then boss* and I went to a Computerland
On 10/19/18 1:18 PM, Daniel Seagraves via cctalk wrote:
>> On Oct 19, 2018, at 10:34 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk
>> wrote:
>>
>> Here is a great example of why the keyboards and terminals are getting
>> separated
>
> Keyboard fetishists are vermin; They are destructive and have no redeeming
>
On 10/19/18 1:14 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
>
>
>>> IBM developed a Token Ring card for the PC in time for its launch
> IBM's initial networking for the PC (The PC Network) was broadband, based
> on technology from Sytek. 4Mb token ring was released later. Exact dates
> are in the manuals on
just an update, I have not forgotten this task, I just need to find time to
get to a two-sided printer. I really need to get one for my self with big
copy bay to handle schematics. That would really accelerate my archive work
b
On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 1:55 AM Chuck Guzis via cctalk
wrote:
>
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 1:51 AM Jim Manley via cctalk
wrote:
> long before the Color Graphics Adapters were
> available, about six months after launch, and the CGAs were only
> produced in response to the completely unanticipated demand for the
> PC.
>
Are you certain? My then boss* and I went
On 10/19/18 11:14 AM, allison via cctalk wrote:
> On 10/19/2018 01:23 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
>
> Me I had M keyboards in the day, thought they sucked! Vt100 and VT220
> early version
> were my measure. None of them made me type better!
I will confess to a fondness for my old NCR
On 10/19/2018 1:16 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
On Fri, 19 Oct 2018, William Sudbrink wrote:
Hmmm... so they were only "Kentucky Fried Computers" while they were
reselling other (IMSAI, etc.) brands?
You will never see a Northstar Horizon like case with a "Kentucky Fried
Computers" badge on
On Fri, 19 Oct 2018, William Sudbrink wrote:
Hmmm... so they were only "Kentucky Fried Computers" while they were
reselling other (IMSAI, etc.) brands?
You will never see a Northstar Horizon like case with a "Kentucky Fried
Computers" badge on it?
Probably not.
UNLESS, . . .
their earliest
the ps2 to usb adapters do not work well with my dell xps
go fast computer!
That would explain all the extra spaces...
On Fri, 19 Oct 2018, ben via cctalk wrote:
I wonder how many letters got deleated while the mail program's input got
lost as the fast computer popup windows
On 10/19/2018 12:19 PM, Josh Dersch via cctalk wrote:
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 10:25 AM ED SHARPE via cctalk
wrote:
the ps2 to usb adapters do not work well with my dell xps
go fast computer!
That would explain all the extra spaces...
- Josh
I wonder how many letters got
Woof! I have a complete, working IBM 3101 terminal (got it from a
former co-worker who used to use it to work from home at CompuServe)
and it's tempting to sell just the keyboard.
-ethan
Just use an arduino to make an adapter so you can use a USB keyboard with
the 3101 terminal.
If you used
> https://archive.org/details/byte-magazine-1977-02/page/n103
On Fri, 19 Oct 2018, William Sudbrink wrote:
Wait! It gets stranger. I just squinted hard at that Byte Mag ad.
"Kentucky Fried Computers" is offering a "North Star Computers-FP8 &
disk"???
KFC seemed to have been mostly their
Wait! It gets stranger. I just squinted hard at that Byte Mag ad.
"Kentucky Fried Computers" is offering a "North Star Computers-FP8 &
disk"???
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From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of William
Sudbrink via cctalk
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 10:25 AM ED SHARPE via cctalk
wrote:
> the ps2 to usb adapters do not work well with my dell xps
> go fast computer!
>
That would explain all the extra spaces...
- Josh
Hmmm... so they were only "Kentucky Fried Computers" while they were
reselling other (IMSAI, etc.) brands?
You will never see a Northstar Horizon like case with a "Kentucky Fried
Computers" badge on it?
Bill
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From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 11:34 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk
wrote:
> Here is a great example of why the keyboards and terminals are getting
> separated
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-3101-beam-spring-keyboard-purchased-new-in-1982/123422383512?hash=item1cbc8c1d98:g:sCkAAOSwfbhbwQvU
>
> Note the
On 10/19/2018 01:23 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
> On 10/19/18 9:55 AM, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote:
>> well i have some clicky keyboards and yea love the feedback clak
>> when I type but the usual off the rack frys usb thing is
>> problematic
> I've got a bunch of Model
Excellent! Thanks very much!
Bill S.
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From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Fred Cisin
via cctalk
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 2:05 PM
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
Subject: RE: Microsoft-Paul Allen
On Fri, 19 Oct
On Fri, 19 Oct 2018, William Sudbrink wrote:
Fred,
Have you ever seen any actual "Kentucky Fried Computers" anything?
Ads? Marketing lit? Hardware? Letterhead? Incorporation application?
I've looked in the past and have never turned up anything.
I'd love to see it if you get the chance.
Thanks,
Bill S.
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From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Al Kossow via
cctalk
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 1:19 PM
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen
On 10/19/18 8:24 AM,
On 10/19/18 10:39 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
>
> In spite of IBM marketing claims, 802.5 data link layer is not a well behaved
> design.
Apple had to re-design their TR Nubus card, which used the TI chipset, and
switch
to IBM's because it couldn't be made to work reliably.
> On Oct 19, 2018, at 1:14 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>>> IBM developed a Token Ring card for the PC in time for its launch
>
> IBM's initial networking for the PC (The PC Network) was broadband, based
> on technology from Sytek. 4Mb token ring was released later. Exact
On 10/19/18 9:55 AM, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote:
> well i have some clicky keyboards and yea love the feedback clak
> when I type but the usual off the rack frys usb thing is problematic
I've got a bunch of Model Ms scattered around here. I remember when
Surplus Software in
> On Oct 19, 2018, at 10:34 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> Here is a great example of why the keyboards and terminals are getting
> separated
Keyboard fetishists are vermin; They are destructive and have no redeeming
qualities, and should be treated as such.
I had one of them
On 10/19/18 8:24 AM, William Sudbrink via cctalk wrote:
> Fred,
>
> Have you ever seen any actual "Kentucky Fried Computers" anything?
> Ads? Marketing lit? Hardware? Letterhead? Incorporation application?
There is something in the Jim Warren West Coast Computer Faire correspondence
we
>> IBM developed a Token Ring card for the PC in time for its launch
IBM's initial networking for the PC (The PC Network) was broadband, based
on technology from Sytek. 4Mb token ring was released later. Exact dates
are in the manuals on bitsavers.
the ps2 to usb adapters do not work well with my dell xps go
fast computer!
In a message dated 10/19/2018 9:20:07 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:
>
>
> >
>
> They are just PS/2 keyboards, right? Or AT? The USB adapters for that are a
> dime a
well i have some clicky keyboards and yea love the feedback clak
when I type but the usual off the rack frys usb thing is problematic
so by thinner bean it clacks but has a lighter motion?
then I have this ibm clacky keyboard with several rows of
The quality of modern keycaps is poor.
These guys are after mechanical boards with double-shot keytops.
If you do find modern double-shots, the fonts they use are crap.
The kb I'm typing on cost me about $300 after having to buy replacement caps
for almost the same price as the kb was.
I had
On 10/19/18 9:50 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> leave the keyboard connected to whatever it originally came with.
Very funny...
They don't give a fsck about old junk, they just want the l33t kb
On Fri, 19 Oct 2018, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote:
i used an adapter to usb?? and?? it?? would?? glitch?? and lock?? sometimes...
ed#
Why don't the fancy "Gamer" computers have a REAL keyboard port?
Or, just leave the keyboard connected to whatever it originally came with.
Place the "gamer"
On 10/19/18 9:19 AM, Ethan via cctalk wrote:
> I don't get it. You can buy off the shelf clicky keyboards with RGB for $150.
The quality of modern keycaps is poor.
These guys are after mechanical boards with double-shot keytops.
If you do find modern double-shots, the fonts they use are
On 10/19/18 8:41 AM, js--- via cctalk wrote:
> Why is the keyboard being sold alone, when the terminal is right there?
Keyboard collectors.
https://deskthority.net/ etc.
Any 70's or 80's mechanical switch or hall-effect keyboard is going for big
bucks now.
This has been discussed here and on
Hi Ed,
This particular keyboard uses beam spring key switches. These are
considered ultra luxury old-school key switches with really good key caps.
IBM spared no expense. The IBM 3101 is the thinnest beam spring keyboard
and looks closest to the IBM Model M (sort of) in terms of keys. While
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:14:56PM -0400, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote:
> OK I am sorry I do not understand why the keyboard went this high?
>
>
...
>
> cctalk wrote:
> > Here is a great example of why the keyboards and terminals are getting
> > separated
> >
> >
On 2018-10-19 1:19 p.m., Ethan via cctalk wrote:
>> OK I am sorry I do not understand why the keyboard went this high?
>> Please... Please... someone explain?
>> Ed#
>
> Race for the loudest keyboard. Bragging rights of the rare?
>
> An Adlib card sold for $3100 a year ago or so. Friends
>
>
> >
>
> They are just PS/2 keyboards, right? Or AT? The USB adapters for that are a
> dime a dozen. I have 4 in my basement (the real PS/2 to USB, not the faux
> ones that allowed dual-mode mice to connect to USB).
>
> Warner
>
The 3101 is not PS/2, pre-dates the IBM PC. If someone made an
OK I am sorry I do not understand why the keyboard went this high?
Please... Please... someone explain?
Ed#
Race for the loudest keyboard. Bragging rights of the rare?
An Adlib card sold for $3100 a year ago or so. Friends were suspicious
that people were driving up the price of their
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:51 AM Jim Manley via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> I
>
> IBM developed a Token Ring card for the PC in time for its launch
> based on this intent, long before the Color Graphics Adapters were
> available, about six months after launch, and the CGAs were only
Here is a great example of why the keyboards and terminals are getting
separated
I sold a working luggable computer. The keys were a bit clicky but I put
on the auction to try to thwart the keyboard collectors. I shipped it
working, buyer claimed it wasn't working when arrived. Ended up
OK I am sorry I do not understand why the keyboard went this high?
Please... Please... someone explain?
Ed#
In a message dated 10/19/2018 8:40:09 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:
On 10/19/2018 10:34 AM, Bill Degnan via
cctalk wrote:
> Here is a
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 9:59 AM John Foust via cctalk
wrote:
> At 10:41 AM 10/19/2018, js--- via cctalk wrote:
> >B, I don't get it. Why is the keyboard being sold alone, when the
> terminal is right there? And how come this particular keyboard is so
> hugely in demand?
>
> My son is a fancy
i used an adapter to usb and it would glitch and lock sometimes... ed#
In a message dated 10/19/2018 8:59:25 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:
At 10:41 AM 10/19/2018, js--- via cctalk wrote:
>B, I don't get it. Why is the keyboard being sold alone, when the
At 10:41 AM 10/19/2018, js--- via cctalk wrote:
>B, I don't get it. Why is the keyboard being sold alone, when the terminal is
>right there? And how come this particular keyboard is so hugely in demand?
My son is a fancy Silicon Valley twenty-something programmer, and
all he wanted for
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 11:40 AM js--- via cctalk
wrote:
> On 10/19/2018 10:34 AM, Bill Degnan via
> cctalk wrote:
> > Here is a great example of why the keyboards and terminals are getting
> > separated
> >
> >
>
On 10/19/2018 10:34 AM, Bill Degnan via
cctalk wrote:
Here is a great example of why the keyboards and terminals are getting
separated
https://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-3101-beam-spring-keyboard-purchased-new-in-1982/123422383512?hash=item1cbc8c1d98:g:sCkAAOSwfbhbwQvU
Note the price $2000 so far.
Here is a great example of why the keyboards and terminals are getting
separated
https://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-3101-beam-spring-keyboard-purchased-new-in-1982/123422383512?hash=item1cbc8c1d98:g:sCkAAOSwfbhbwQvU
Note the price $2000 so far. How could one blame the seller. I wonder if
this is the
Fred,
Have you ever seen any actual "Kentucky Fried Computers" anything?
Ads? Marketing lit? Hardware? Letterhead? Incorporation application?
I've looked in the past and have never turned up anything.
Thanks,
Bill
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From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org]
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 7:04 AM Ethan via cctalk
wrote:
> > I thought it was just hilarious that Microsoft chose The Rolling
> > Stones' "Start Me Up" for the theme song at the launch of Windows 95,
> > unaware of the later lyrics in the song (not played during the launch,
>
> IIRC They wanted
> From: Lars Brinkhoff
> I have Alan Snyder's C compiler running
Way cool! Congrats!
Where did you find it? Do you have source too?
> there may also be machine descriptions for Honeywell 6000 series and
> PDP-11
There _was_ one for the H6000, not sure about the -11.
> At
FYI:
From: Lars Brinkhoff
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 11:08:29 +
I have Alan Snyder's C compiler running in case anyone would like to
play with it. It's from around 1975, so the syntax is yummily archaic.
The primary host is a PDP-10 running ITS, but there may also be machine
I thought it was just hilarious that Microsoft chose The Rolling
Stones' "Start Me Up" for the theme song at the launch of Windows 95,
unaware of the later lyrics in the song (not played during the launch,
IIRC They wanted R.E.M.'s "End of the world as we know it" but R.E.M. said
no.
At 12:37 AM 10/19/2018, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
>In a way, it resembles a Commodore PET but for the shape of the system
>unit, which looks like a CBM 4040 drive box. Did such a box ever have
>the option for a 5.25" hard disk drive?
Is this a stumper?
CBM made a 8060 and 9090, also
If anything. You can put it in the museum listing of let's stump the experts.
Original message From: John Foust via cctalk
Date: 10/18/18 9:07 PM (GMT-06:00) To:
cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Identify old PC
Pardon the post of content from elsewhere, but this one had me
I thought it was just hilarious that Microsoft chose The Rolling
Stones' "Start Me Up" for the theme song at the launch of Windows 95,
unaware of the later lyrics in the song (not played during the launch,
oddly enough), "You make a grown man cry-y-y ... You make a grown man
cry-y-y ... You make a
Its possibly something like but not exactly a Raytheon, Sweda, Lanier etc
or similar business machine just before the IBM PC
I have never seen this one.
Bill
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 1:53 AM jim stephens via cctalk
wrote:
>
>
> On 10/18/2018 10:37 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
> > On
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