> On Nov 17, 2019, at 7:59 AM, Jörg Hoppe via cctech
> wrote:
>
> Yes, can (get a kit with SMT work done)
OK, that’s the answer I needed; If I want to put one of these in a KS10, can
the parity lines be hacked from the software (the KS10 uses them as two extra
data bits) or are they
On 11/18/19 5:36 PM, Will Cooke via cctalk wrote:
> I find it interesting that one of the few remaining mainframe third parties
> is called Micro Focus
Is that the same Micro Focus with the x86 COBOL?
--Chuck
On 2019-11-18 11:54, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
another hacky way to to this would be a twinax to multi-port serial
terminal
converter, then rs-232 to telnet
I did say it was a hack :-)
Yes, that hack did occur to me as well. But finding suitable working
3708s or equivalents has been
On Nov 18, 2019, at 16:42, Al Kossow via wrote:
> On 11/18/19 4:37 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 11/18/19 3:15 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
>>> I have some old boards and documentation for Unibus cards that would talk
>>> X.25, BISYNC and I think SNA. Any value?
>>
>> yes, it
My interest is I have a S/36 with both TwinAx and SDLC. SDLC is a lot
easier to interface to. But I have built a electrical interface board
to go from a balun'd RJ11 twin-ax interface to an FPGA with the intent
on eventually building an open-source TwinAx <--> USB converter. Sounds
like
Finally got my xxdp+ floppy in the mail. The RX50 is flakey (probably
needs a head cleaning, 95% isopropyl safe on these heads?) but I have it
booted. Problem is in the RQDX3 formatter the drive shows up as drive 0,
but generates an FCT write error.
Questions:
1) I assume all cables in the
Forwarded Message
Subject: 3270 controller simulation
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 19:43:24 -0600
From: Andrew Kay
To: a...@bitsavers.org
Hi Al,
I'm waiting for approval to join the cctalk mailing list but I heard
on IRC you were interested in my project so hope you don't mind me
> On November 18, 2019 at 6:42 PM Al Kossow via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>
> On 11/18/19 4:37 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:> On 11/18/19 3:15 PM, Chris
> Zach via cctalk wrote:> I have some old boards and documentation for Unibus
> cards that would talk X.25, BISYNC and I think SNA. Any
I was the Canadian GM of Emulex, whose Persyst Division made a bi-sync
card for the PC. I was stunned when, in the era of TCP/IP
interconnectivity, a client kept on talking about a 'sign-on' card :-) I
just smile dand accepted his order for lots of product!
On 18/11/2019 20:22, Ethan Dicks
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 6:15 PM Chris Zach via cctalk
wrote:
> I have some old boards and documentation for Unibus cards that would
> talk X.25, BISYNC and I think SNA. Any value?
Probably some small value, but as we (I?) have been discussing, the
applications that used those cards weren't easy
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 7:42 PM Al Kossow via cctalk
wrote:
> I find it interesting that the field of comms interoperability with IBM
> mainframes was huge up until TCP/IP
> took over, and all traces of the software implementations have disappeared or
> were consolidated into a couple
> like
On 18/11/2019 17:52, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
>
> Am I understanding you correctly to mean that Hercules itself has some
> DLSw functionality?
>
Not in the current release. These are some modifications I've made to
comm3705.c to add DLSw support. When used in conjunction with a Cisco
router
I have made the module available at https://github.com/cwsimmons/raw3270
For now it probably looks like a mess, but I hope to add comments and build the
coax circuit later this week. I just wanted to get it out there now since I
know there is interest.
Chris
On 11/18/19 4:37 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
>
>
> On 11/18/19 3:15 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
>> I have some old boards and documentation for Unibus cards that would talk
>> X.25, BISYNC and I think SNA. Any value?
>
> yes, it would be good to get this archived on bitsavers
>
On 11/18/19 3:15 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
> I have some old boards and documentation for Unibus cards that would talk
> X.25, BISYNC and I think SNA. Any value?
yes, it would be good to get this archived on bitsavers
should talk to ethan about his stuff as well
aww team speak spent lots hours on that playing red faction
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 1:30 PM jwest--- via cctalk
wrote:
> John wrote...
> >Just an fyi the mohaa site only loads an Apache test page.
> That's because it isn't a 'site'. The dns name mohaa.todesplace.org is
> for the game clients to
I have some old boards and documentation for Unibus cards that would
talk X.25, BISYNC and I think SNA. Any value?
C
On 11/18/2019 5:41 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
On 11/18/19 2:12 PM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote:
Our SNA product emulated a PU Type 2 and
let you connect from your
On 11/18/19 3:14 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
I could fill books about the topic... we sold hundreds of Unibus and Qbus
boards (and a few VAXBI boards) for bisync, and dozens of boards for SNA.
~chuckle~
I have all the hardware and software and documentation from Software
Results, but there is
On 18/11/2019 02:30, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote:
Here's a photo of the VT78 on its table over the tabletop RX02 box.
You can see the bent metal "rails" in the bottom - the drive box just
slides back on those. Quite minimal.
http://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pics/vt78/vt78.jpg
On 11/18/19 2:12 PM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote:
> Our SNA product emulated a PU Type 2 and
> let you connect from your local VT100 and appear to be a 3270 session.
does that code still exist?
I have two stand-alone boxes
IBM 3708 and Interlynx/3278 that essentially do that, SDLC ->
On 11/18/19 1:36 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
> On 11/18/19 2:22 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
>> You can say that again. We never could get HASP running on out 11-750
>> on BSD. This was about 1984. The Berkeley Systems Group even tried
>> and no soap. This was a leased line
> On Nov 18, 2019, at 4:59 PM, Dave Wade via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> ...
>
> Thought I'd pass this on;
>
> Conversation between a caller and John Akers:
> CALLER: Hello, John?
> AKERS: Yes?
> CALLER: John Akers?
> AKERS: Yes?
> CALLER: John F. Akers?
> AKERS: Yeah?
> CALLER: John F.
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 4:22 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk
wrote:
> You can say that again. We never could get HASP running on out 11-750
> on BSD. This was about 1984. The Berkeley Systems Group even tried
> and no soap.This was a leased line setup with Bell 209 modems.
I used to do that
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk On Behalf Of Grant Taylor via
> cctalk
> Sent: 18 November 2019 21:32
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: 3270 controller simulation
>
> On 11/18/19 1:37 PM, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote:
> > One thing which complicates things is that we have
On 11/18/19 1:36 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
> "…HASP…" MVS / OS/390 / z/OS term.
OS/360
Houston (as in NASA) Automatic Spooling Program
http://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360/hasp/HASP_II_Manual_Jun72
and lots of implementations of 2780/3780 RJE stations
I have the one for the PDP-11
Just curious but are these sales helping John and family or has this
officially been turned over?
Most of these have been underwater for an unknown amount of time, correct?
On Sun, Nov 17, 2019, 6:39 PM Thomas Raguso via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> I have located the Cray Y-MP EL,
On 11/18/19 2:22 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
You can say that again. We never could get HASP running on out 11-750
on BSD. This was about 1984. The Berkeley Systems Group even tried
and no soap.This was a leased line setup with Bell 209 modems.
"…HASP…" MVS / OS/390 / z/OS term.
On 11/18/19 1:37 PM, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote:
One thing which complicates things is that we have (roughly) layered
protocols in place between the 3174 and the host.
Yep.
I'm trying to actually map them in my head. I may have to transition to
paper / white board.
So at the physical
On 11/18/19 12:37 PM, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote:
> One thing which complicates things is that we have (roughly) layered
> protocols in place between the 3174 and the host.
> So at the physical level we have channel attached, SDLC, Token Ring and
> bi-sync.
> Above that we have the channel
Grant,
One thing which complicates things is that we have (roughly) layered protocols
in place between the 3174 and the host.
So at the physical level we have channel attached, SDLC, Token Ring and bi-sync.
Above that we have the channel protocols, HDLC/SDLC and bi-sync polling.
Then we may
On 11/18/19 11:24 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
not really, all it meant was there was some intelligence at the terminal
it wasn't capable of any sort of user-programmable computation
Okay.
Sounds like distributed is just a term collision then. Thank you for
the clarification.
that
I am just wondering if anyone out there has a source for cheap but reliable
Rechargeable "gum stick" batteries. I am trying to replace some old
batteries and the only source I could find are these:
www.amazon.com/dp/B0047ZW46C/. Not sure on quality of the generic green
batteries, especially since
On 11/18/19 10:04 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
> Does the "Distributed" in "Distributed Function Terminal" refer to / mean the
> same thing as the "Distributed" in
> "Distributed Systems", which are also known as "Open Systems"?
not really, all it meant was there was some intelligence
On 11/18/19 11:10 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
Open systems may be distributed, distributed systems may be open, but
they are not synonyms.
Okay. Fair enough.
I don't think the people using "Open Systems" as in Mainframe vs Open
Systems vs Wintel were differentiating between "open" vs
An interesting article but he never mentioned cost. Using TV available
components cut cost.
Dwight
From: cctalk on behalf of Grant Taylor via
cctalk
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 10:04 AM
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Question about "Distributed"
On 11/18/19 11:02 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
http://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/3270/GA23-0059-4_3270_Data_Stream_Programmers_Reference_Dec88.pdf
$ReadingList++
you'll find lots of information about this side of things going back to
the dark ages
Thank you.
On 11/18/19 10:37 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
odd message.. no body..
*facepalm*
Operator error. - Multiple messages trying to start a new thread
instead of polluting another thread.
Let's try this again.
On 11/18/19 9:47 AM, Jay Jaeger via cctalk wrote:
I am no expert on the CUT
On 11/18/19 9:52 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
> Do you know what protocol name would be used to describe the communications
> between the mainframe OS and what it thinks
> are locally attached terminals?
On 11/18/19 9:43 AM, cw via cctalk wrote:
> As it happens I wrote a Verilog module last week for serializing and
> deserializing 3270 coax frames, without realizing someone had already done
> this with an arduino. What I’ve written is intended for a zynq device but is
> general enough to be
On 11/18/19 10:42 AM, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote:
TN3270 into Hercules so they look local to the OS...
ACK
TH3270. Cisco merely converts Token Ring to ethernet as my current PC
only has PCI-Express and you can't get PCI-Express Token ring cards.
So the Cisco is doing bog standard routing
I have several Zynq boards that I’m using (or will be) for other projects but
having a replacement
for the 3174 would be nice.
TTFN - Guy
> On Nov 18, 2019, at 9:51 AM, Dave Wade via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> Chris,
> I have several Spartan boards, no Zync...
> ... but would be interested to see
On 11/18/19 10:38 AM, Dave Wade wrote:
I go TN3270 from the 3174 -> Hercules so the screens look like local
screens to the OS. This is how most folks have done it.
I forgot about the fact that Hercules, not the mainframe OS, is doing
some translation.
Do you know what protocol name would be
Chris,
I have several Spartan boards, no Zync...
... but would be interested to see how it works...
Dave
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk On Behalf Of cw via cctalk
> Sent: 18 November 2019 17:43
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: FPGA based 3174 replacement
>
> As it happens I
Yes, I have my 3174 communicating with Hercules (as well as my MP3000).
TTFN - Guy
> On Nov 18, 2019, at 8:45 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 11/18/19 8:22 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
>
>> I believe the *Remote* 3174 (et al.) is one of these devices from IBM.
>
> The
On 11/18/19 9:43 AM, cw via cctalk wrote:
> As it happens I wrote a Verilog module last week for serializing and
> deserializing 3270 coax frames, without realizing someone had already done
> this with an arduino.
I don't think anyone here had noticed that Deskauthority post from April
As it happens I wrote a Verilog module last week for serializing and
deserializing 3270 coax frames, without realizing someone had already done this
with an arduino. What I’ve written is intended for a zynq device but is general
enough to be used in other designs.
At the moment I have
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk On Behalf Of Grant Taylor via
> cctalk
> Sent: 18 November 2019 17:32
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: 3270 controller simulation
>
> On 11/18/19 10:06 AM, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote:
> > I started with a token ring card in a Windows/2000 box
On 11/18/19 10:12 AM, Dave Wade wrote:
The free VM370 does not support SNA so for that you would need to convert
from SNA 3270 back to channel attached protocol...
Okay.
Do you know what the proper, or any, name is for said channel attached
protocol?
... I suppose on reflection that’s
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk On Behalf Of Grant Taylor via
> cctalk
> Sent: 18 November 2019 17:16
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: 3270 controller simulation
>
> On 11/18/19 9:45 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
> > …people have gone Cisco to 3174 to get coax
odd message.. no body..
first generation displays were very dumb, later generations were intelligent
and could parse the data stream
allowing the creation of multiple virtual displays along with graphics. these
are the ones with a 25th status
row
Ken just wrote a blog post about this trying to
On 11/18/19 9:16 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
> Would you please clarify if you have the "Local" or "Remote" 3174?
All of my terminal controllers are remote, since I don't have anything
with a channel.
I have a small S36 in storage which is why I have some interest in
twinax. I guess
On 11/18/19 10:06 AM, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote:
I started with a token ring card in a Windows/2000 box so I could connect
directly.
Nice.
Was this TN5250 (5250 vs 3270?)? Or was it SNA?
I have also gone via a Cisco router with a Token Ring interface NATed
onto my normal LAN.
I assume
On 11/18/19 9:47 AM, Jay Jaeger via cctalk wrote:
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
On 11/18/19 9:45 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
…people have gone Cisco to 3174 to get coax terminals talking to
Hercules. I believe Guy S., Dave W. and Jay W. have done this.
Please confirm if it is DLSw between the Cisco and OS running in Hercules?
Sorry for being obtuse. There are a LOT
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk On Behalf Of Grant Taylor via
> cctalk
> Sent: 18 November 2019 17:07
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: 3270 controller simulation
>
> On 11/18/19 9:42 AM, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote:
> > Yes the second. So it only works with SNA .
>
> ACK
>
On 11/18/19 9:42 AM, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote:
Yes the second. So it only works with SNA .
ACK
I don't think DLSw being SNA only is a problem. I say this because I
think DLSw requires TCP/IP connectivity. Thus you already have TCP/IP
connectivity to the mainframe.
Yes its DLSw. Was
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk On Behalf Of Al Kossow via
> cctalk
> Sent: 18 November 2019 16:45
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: 3270 controller simulation
>
>
>
> On 11/18/19 8:22 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
>
> > I believe the *Remote* 3174 (et al.) is one of
On 11/18/19 8:47 AM, Jay Jaeger via cctalk wrote:
> I found these documents, but they don't address that status line,
> because they are for the older 3271/3272 controllers.
yup, noticed that too, which was one of the interesting things about what he did
there is information on DFT and
On 11/17/19 4:32 PM, alan--- via cctalk wrote:
>
> it would be nice to build a
> multi-session terminal emulator out of a modern Linux box for my S/36.
another hacky way to to this would be a twinax to multi-port serial terminal
converter, then rs-232 to telnet
I did say it was a hack :-)
On 11/18/2019 12:05 AM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
>
> Looks like a VT100 screen. I am hoping it's really running 3270 on the
> thing.
>
> Look at the bottom below the line. has VT100 on that line where the
> 3270 status
> would be.
>
Though I have worked with real 3270's in the past, I
On 11/18/19 8:22 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
> I believe the *Remote* 3174 (et al.) is one of these devices from IBM.
The bigger 3174s have ethernet as an option, as did the Memorex/Telex 1174
More commonly, 3174s had token ring and people have gone Cisco to 3174 to
get coax terminals
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk On Behalf Of Grant Taylor via
> cctalk
> Sent: 18 November 2019 16:22
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: 3270 controller simulation
>
> On 11/18/19 2:56 AM, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote:
> > Whilst not what you are looking for some one has
On 11/18/19 8:55 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
and...@cpe-24-27-54-87.austin.res.rr.com
tried sending email there, it didn't bounce but I didn't hear anything
back
The format of the hostname looks like a fabricated DNS entry that I'm
accustom to seeing from big residential ISPs. I would
On 11/18/19 2:56 AM, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote:
Whilst not what you are looking for some one has been working on
supporting CISCO SDLC encapsulation in Hercules.
Are they working on Cisco's SDLC line protocol and / or physical
(serial) interface?
So this allows real 3270's to connect to
On 11/17/19 10:05 PM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
> and...@cpe-24-27-54-87.austin.res.rr.com
>
> topic set by acfrazier
>
> Looks like a VT100 screen. I am hoping it's really running 3270 on the thing.
>
> Look at the bottom below the line. has VT100 on that line where the 3270
>
John wrote...
>Just an fyi the mohaa site only loads an Apache test page.
That's because it isn't a 'site'. The dns name mohaa.todesplace.org is for the
game clients to connect to. The website at www.todesplace.org is just for my
players. For the teamspeak server - teamspeak.todesplace.org.
On
Unfortunately I’m well and truly too far away shipping wise, but the Intergraph
6400 is a rare thing these days. Anyone willing to pick it up and dump ROMs and
photograph internals would be a huge help to the MAME emulation effort for
these systems...
From:
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk On Behalf Of Al Kossow via
> cctalk
> Sent: 18 November 2019 02:51
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: 3270 controller simulation
>
>
>
> On 11/17/19 4:32 PM, alan--- via cctalk wrote:
> >
> > Anyone aware of any effort to emulate 515x
Tried the discord, and enjoyed it much more than I would have expected! It was
nice to talk with members in real time and share pictures of new acquisitions,
current projects, and also talk about where everybody lives.
Marc
> On Nov 15, 2019, at 9:31 AM, jwest--- via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> I
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