Re: Linux and the 'clssic' computing world

2021-09-27 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2021-09-27 3:15 p.m., Nemo Nusquam via cctalk wrote: On 2021-09-27 10:07, Joshua Rice via cctalk wrote (in part): However, much of the "Linux" software is in fact POSIX software, and can quite easily be ported between Linux and other *NIX-likes, such as Solaris, macOS and the *BSD family.

Re: Programming Bipolar PROMs

2021-09-27 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2021-09-27 9:23 a.m., Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote: While restoring and repairing a Data General Nova 2/10 I found a bad bipolar PROM on the CPU board. The PROM has open-collector outputs and is organized as 32 words by 8 bits. It appears that one of the open-collector driver transistors is

Re: Linux and the 'clssic' computing world

2021-09-27 Thread ben via cctalk
More like you sell the hardware, then write the software. Look at APPLE was 68000 now the Apple/386 style cpu. Hardware has no meaning. Never a fan of RISC or modern designs because you got speed by being able pipeline DRAM access, not because of RISC or what ever CPU of the day was. Ben.

Re: An American perspective on the late great Sir Clive Sinclair, from Fast Company

2021-09-27 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2021-09-27 5:38 a.m., Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote: On 9/26/21 9:05 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: I found this interesting for perspective. The British media (and AFAICS of Australia, New Zealand and several bits of Europe) have been saturated with coverage of a much-loved,

Re:CCtalk on Linux vs Windows

2021-09-27 Thread Murray McCullough via cctalk
I quite agree that one OS isn’t better than another. It is one’s personal choice. However, it would be amiss of me not to acknowledge that some people prefer one over another and will do so until someone proves otherwise. My dear friend and I don’t let this situation get in the way of our

Re: Linux and the 'clssic' computing world

2021-09-27 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 9/27/21 3:30 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: This also sums up nicely what is Linux’s greatest failing. Software vendors need “Linux”, and what they get is “Red Hat”, “SLES”, “Ubuntu”, etc. and as a result, the users suffer. The same can be, and was, said about Unix. IRIX, Solaris,

Re: Linux and the 'clssic' computing world

2021-09-27 Thread Jim Carpenter via cctalk
On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 2:39 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > > To my knowledge the Linux kernel was released to the public 30 years ago > > around this time. My dear friend swears by it and will never go back to > > Windows even though WIN 11 is much more secure than previous Windows > >

Re: Linux and the 'clssic' computing world

2021-09-27 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
On Sep 27, 2021, at 2:15 PM, Nemo Nusquam via cctalk wrote: > > On 2021-09-27 10:07, Joshua Rice via cctalk wrote (in part): >> >> However, much of the "Linux" software is in fact POSIX software, and can >> quite easily be ported between Linux and other *NIX-likes, such as Solaris, >> macOS

Re: Programming Bipolar PROMs (Tom Hunter)

2021-09-27 Thread Mark Moulding via cctalk
From: Tom Hunter Subject: Programming Bipolar PROMs The part is an Intersil IM5600CP, but these were also made by others, for example Signetics and Philips made the 82S23 and TI and NTE made the faster SN74S188N. Some vendors still sell these parts and there are even a few on Ebay. How do I

Re: Linux and the 'clssic' computing world

2021-09-27 Thread Nemo Nusquam via cctalk
On 2021-09-27 10:07, Joshua Rice via cctalk wrote (in part): However, much of the "Linux" software is in fact POSIX software, and can quite easily be ported between Linux and other *NIX-likes, such as Solaris, macOS and the *BSD family. I cannot agree.  Many developers ensure that their

Re: An American perspective on the late great Sir Clive Sinclair, from Fast Company

2021-09-27 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
My girlfriend commented to me that Americans don't understand London"s Fleet Street scene of the 70's and early 80s and how Sinclair products were represented there. In the US the "Timex Sinclair TS-1000" was a budget $99 computer for sale in Hallmark gift stores and its marketing represented

Re: An American perspective on the late great Sir Clive Sinclair, from Fast Company

2021-09-27 Thread Jecel Assumpcao Jr via cctalk
While the American public were very ignorant of Sinclair's achievements, the US home computer makers were very worried about them. In 1983 both Commodore and Texas Instruments were working on their "ZX81 killers". https://www.99er.net/992.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_16 -- Jecel

Re: Old HP-UX CD codewords

2021-09-27 Thread Larkin Nickle via cctalk
On 2021-09-27 15:05, Larkin Nickle via cctalk wrote: Hello, Is there a list of codewords for old HP-UX media anywhere? I'm messing with HP-UX 10.20 and OnlineJFS seems to be present on the first application CD but is locked behind a codeword, which I can't seem to find anywhere. I have

Old HP-UX CD codewords

2021-09-27 Thread Larkin Nickle via cctalk
Hello, Is there a list of codewords for old HP-UX media anywhere? I'm messing with HP-UX 10.20 and OnlineJFS seems to be present on the first application CD but is locked behind a codeword, which I can't seem to find anywhere. I have the December '01 application disks handy but no

Re: Programming Bipolar PROMs

2021-09-27 Thread Glen Slick via cctalk
On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 11:20 AM Brent Hilpert via cctalk wrote: > > The 82S23 programming algorithm is in the 1975 Signetics Bipolar Memories > databook (also on bitsavers). > Looks like it may be a little more complex than that for the 188.

Re: Linux and the 'clssic' computing world

2021-09-27 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
On Sep 27, 2021, at 8:03 AM, mazzinia--- via cctalk wrote: > > As I think others already mentioned, there's no difference between emulators > run under windows or linux... they are both limited by the cpu and amount of > ram used to run them, not by the host os The real difference is in the

Looking for older versions of MatLab for Unix / VMS

2021-09-27 Thread Malte Dehling via cctalk
Dear List, I am looking for older versions of MatLab (3.x, 4.x, and 5.x) for Unix and (Open)VMS. I'm happy to pay a reasonable price for media kits, or, alternatively, images of the installation media would suffice. The media for Windows or Mac can be found on the various abandonware sites,

Re: Linux and the 'clssic' computing world

2021-09-27 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
> > > > > To my knowledge the Linux kernel was released to the public 30 years ago > around this time. My dear friend swears by it and will never go back to > Windows even though WIN 11 is much more secure than previous Windows > versions. Prior to Linux there were other much-earlier operating

Re: Programming Bipolar PROMs

2021-09-27 Thread Brent Hilpert via cctalk
On 2021-Sep-27, at 10:52 AM, Brent Hilpert via cctalk wrote: > On 2021-Sep-27, at 8:23 AM, Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote: >> While restoring and repairing a Data General Nova 2/10 I found a bad >> bipolar PROM on the CPU board. The PROM has open-collector outputs and is >> organized as 32 words by 8

Re: Programming Bipolar PROMs

2021-09-27 Thread Glen Slick via cctalk
On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 8:23 AM Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote: > > The part is an Intersil IM5600CP, but these were also made by others, for > example Signetics and Philips made the 82S23 and TI and NTE made the faster > SN74S188N. Some vendors still sell these parts and there are even a few on >

Re: Programming Bipolar PROMs

2021-09-27 Thread Brent Hilpert via cctalk
On 2021-Sep-27, at 8:23 AM, Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote: > While restoring and repairing a Data General Nova 2/10 I found a bad > bipolar PROM on the CPU board. The PROM has open-collector outputs and is > organized as 32 words by 8 bits. It appears that one of the open-collector > driver

Re: Programming Bipolar PROMs

2021-09-27 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 9/27/21 10:05 AM, dwight via cctalk wrote: > Most of these older fused PROMs are of comparable speed in newer > EPROMs or E2PROMs. Open collector is a hassle but not too much. One > can create the needed circuits using surface mount parts for size > reduction. A hassle but not out of the

Re: Programming Bipolar PROMs

2021-09-27 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Mon, 27 Sept 2021 at 17:23, Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote: > > While restoring and repairing a Data General Nova 2/10 I found a bad > bipolar PROM on the CPU board. Maybe it was just feeling depressed this week. Try it again next week and you might find it works... maybe even really fast?

Re: Programming Bipolar PROMs

2021-09-27 Thread dwight via cctalk
Most of these older fused PROMs are of comparable speed in newer EPROMs or E2PROMs. Open collector is a hassle but not too much. One can create the needed circuits using surface mount parts for size reduction. A hassle but not out of the question. You usually have to go to a larger ROM size so

Re: Linux and the 'clssic' computing world

2021-09-27 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Mon, 27 Sept 2021 at 16:07, Joshua Rice via cctalk wrote: > > and i'd rather prefer that this mailing list didn't fall for the same > petty bickering that can be found across the internet. +1 to that! -- Liam Proven – Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk –

Re: Linux and the 'clssic' computing world

2021-09-27 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Mon, 27 Sept 2021 at 15:55, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote: > > even though WIN 11 is much more secure than previous Windows > versions [[Citation needed]] ;-) There still are more choices than people realise. I sometimes play around with Haiku. It's getting there and is quite usable

Re: Linux and the 'clssic' computing world

2021-09-27 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Sep 27, 2021, at 12:06 PM, Kenneth Gober via cctalk > wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 11:18 AM Alan Perry via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >>> On Sep 27, 2021, at 07:07, Joshua Rice via cctalk >> wrote: >>> >>> Obviously, there's more hardware platforms that support

Re: Programming Bipolar PROMs

2021-09-27 Thread Brian Marstella via cctalk
I recently picked up an EPROM+ programming unit ( https://www.arlabs.com/eprom_plus.html) from eBay used in order to program a couple of PROMs. Unfortunately, I haven't actually tried it yet but the 82S23 and others are supported. The owner of the company seems to be extremely responsive to any

Re: Linux and the 'clssic' computing world

2021-09-27 Thread Kenneth Gober via cctalk
On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 11:18 AM Alan Perry via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > On Sep 27, 2021, at 07:07, Joshua Rice via cctalk > wrote: > > > > Obviously, there's more hardware platforms that support Linux (like the > RPi and other ARM boards) > > Doesn’t this have the

RE: Programming Bipolar PROMs

2021-09-27 Thread jwest--- via cctalk
Jon wrote... I can do them with the Data I/O 29B and UniPak 2B. Some of the other UniPaks can handle them too. They are one of those devices that most of the newer commercial programmers can't do. I wouldn't call the Data I/O really affordable, though. -- Same, I use a data i/o 29B for

Re: Programming Bipolar PROMs

2021-09-27 Thread Jonathan Chapman via cctalk
I can do them with the Data I/O 29B and UniPak 2B. Some of the other UniPaks can handle them too. They are one of those devices that most of the newer commercial programmers can't do. I wouldn't call the Data I/O really affordable, though. If you want to send us a blank we can program it for

Programming Bipolar PROMs

2021-09-27 Thread Tom Hunter via cctalk
While restoring and repairing a Data General Nova 2/10 I found a bad bipolar PROM on the CPU board. The PROM has open-collector outputs and is organized as 32 words by 8 bits. It appears that one of the open-collector driver transistors is faulty (but it could also be that a fuse has "healed").

Re: Linux and the 'clssic' computing world

2021-09-27 Thread Alan Perry via cctalk
Doesn’t this have the relationship between the OS and the hardware platform backwards? > On Sep 27, 2021, at 07:07, Joshua Rice via cctalk > wrote: > > Obviously, there's more hardware platforms that support Linux (like the RPi > and other ARM boards)

RE: Linux and the 'clssic' computing world

2021-09-27 Thread mazzinia--- via cctalk
As I think others already mentioned, there's no difference between emulators run under windows or linux... they are both limited by the cpu and amount of ram used to run them, not by the host os -Original Message- From: cctalk On Behalf Of Murray McCullough via cctalk Sent: Monday,

Re: Linux and the 'clssic' computing world

2021-09-27 Thread Mike Katz via cctalk
The is also the Windows Subsystem for Linux, which basically runs Linux under Windows. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/ On 9/27/2021 9:07 AM, Joshua Rice via cctalk wrote: Claiming one OS is better than another is always a contentious issue, and i'd rather prefer that this

Re: Linux and the 'clssic' computing world

2021-09-27 Thread Joshua Rice via cctalk
Claiming one OS is better than another is always a contentious issue, and i'd rather prefer that this mailing list didn't fall for the same petty bickering that can be found across the internet. The fact of the matter is, when it comes to emulation on x86 IBM PC compatibles, both Windows

Linux and the 'clssic' computing world

2021-09-27 Thread Murray McCullough via cctalk
To my knowledge the Linux kernel was released to the public 30 years ago around this time. My dear friend swears by it and will never go back to Windows even though WIN 11 is much more secure than previous Windows versions. Prior to Linux there were other much-earlier operating systems for 8-bit

Re: An American perspective on the late great Sir Clive Sinclair, from Fast Company

2021-09-27 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Mon, 27 Sept 2021 at 13:38, Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote: > > From the other side of that, growing up in the UK, nobody I knew talked > about Apple or Atari, and Commodore was only on the radar because of the > C64's capability as a games machine (and later the Amiga) - I don't think I >

Re: An American perspective on the late great Sir Clive Sinclair, from Fast Company

2021-09-27 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Mon, 27 Sept 2021 at 03:44, Bill Degnan wrote: > > My girlfriend commented to me that Americans don't understand London"s Fleet > Street scene of the 70's and early 80s and how Sinclair products were > represented there. In the US the "Timex Sinclair TS-1000" was a budget $99 > computer

Re: An American perspective on the late great Sir Clive Sinclair, from Fast Company

2021-09-27 Thread Jules Richardson via cctalk
On 9/26/21 9:05 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: I found this interesting for perspective. The British media (and AFAICS of Australia, New Zealand and several bits of Europe) have been saturated with coverage of a much-loved, widely-celebrated and revered hero of tech. As FC points out, even

WTB Sparcserver

2021-09-27 Thread silcreval via cctalk
Hi Looking for a Sparcserver 1000/2000 to add to the sun collection. I’ve never seen one of these in the UK, but hopefully there might be one around. Happy to buy / pickup as I know they are heavy in the UK. Outside UK I might be able to arrange for collection. Thanks.

Re: An American perspective on the late great Sir Clive Sinclair, from Fast Company

2021-09-27 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2021-09-26 7:44 p.m., Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: My girlfriend commented to me that Americans don't understand London"s Fleet Street scene of the 70's and early 80s and how Sinclair products were represented there. In the US the "Timex Sinclair TS-1000" was a budget $99 computer for sale