[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

2022-12-21 Thread Chris via cctalk
Yep. It's called dang old Guy. Anything dang-old is like totally appropriate dude. On Wednesday, December 21, 2022, 10:23:36 PM EST, Guy N. via cctalk wrote: Perhaps a good but blurry line is "old enough not to be of much practical use anymore for most people, but significant in the history

[cctalk] transcoding etc. was Re: Re: what is on topic?

2022-12-21 Thread Chris via cctalk
I obtained a copy of Image Processing in C recently, with the disk, a book which is nearly vintage in it's own right. Back in the 90s I wanted to digitize my then vast library of books. That book, which I foumd at a library, seemed a good starting point. Truth is though it really didn't seem

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

2022-12-21 Thread Guy N. via cctalk
Oh, funny, I was just thinking of asking this same question as I resurrect a Mac G4 from about 2001, running Mac OS 9 (not OS X). There's a whole website and forum[1] for that, though. I read this list a lot more than I post. I enjoy some of the tales of old machines, especially anything DEC.

[cctalk] DLV11 M7940 SLU header wire colours?

2022-12-21 Thread Steve Malikoff via cctalk
Sorry this post isn't about whether something is regarded as classic or not. I am almost done putting together a little 4-card Qbus machine using a H9281-BA card frame. Eschewing a piece of plywood, the frame, power supply, fans, Heeltoe POR board are all mounted on a clear acrylic A4-sized

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

2022-12-21 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2022-12-21 6:32 p.m., Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote: On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 04:28:35AM +, Chris via cctalk wrote: [...] Transcoding as in vcr to mpegs? I wasn't suggesting XP was utterly entirely useless. Video editing in a modern sense requires loads of processing h.p. to be efficient.

[cctalk] Re: Using Gesswein board with RQDX3

2022-12-21 Thread Mike Loewen via cctalk
On Wed, 21 Dec 2022, Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk wrote: I am trying to do the above. ZRQC comes up and says four drives of unknown type. Has anybody done this?  I figure there must be a configuration that needs to be done, but found nothing in the documentation to do it. Have you tried

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

2022-12-21 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2022-12-21 6:44 p.m., Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote: On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 04:17:19PM -0800, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: I am going to ditto Zane because I basically could've written that same exact message like an infinite monkey on an infinite typewriter. Sellam Turing Monkey?

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

2022-12-21 Thread Tomasz Rola via cctalk
On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 04:17:19PM -0800, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: > I am going to ditto Zane because I basically could've written that same > exact message like an infinite monkey on an infinite typewriter. > > Sellam Turing Monkey? Does it have infinite roll of paper? -- Regards,

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

2022-12-21 Thread Tomasz Rola via cctalk
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 04:28:35AM +, Chris via cctalk wrote: [...] > Transcoding as in vcr to mpegs? I wasn't suggesting XP was utterly > entirely useless. Video editing in a modern sense requires loads of > processing h.p. to be efficient. And no transcodimg is > necessary. Certainly not an

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

2022-12-21 Thread Glen Slick via cctalk
100's of replies later... The first rule of Off-Topic Club is that you do not talk about Off-Topic Club.

[cctalk] Re: OT: Win2K+3 on a Dell Poweredge 2600

2022-12-21 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 12/20/22 10:12 PM, Chris via cctalk wrote: This beast was given to me by a neighbor. Dual socket 604. Windows 2003 in some RAID configuration. It might help us to know what model the Dell server is. I understand (or used to understand) RAID levels somewhat. But iinm he tells me the OS is

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

2022-12-21 Thread Chris via cctalk
On Wednesday, December 21, 2022, 05:14:13 PM EST, Sean Conner via cctalk wrote: One rule I remember (from the early 2000s) is that anything 10 years or older is on-topic. At that point, it was pretty much stuff up to around 1990 or there abouts. I personally feel that MS-DOS is fine, and even

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

2022-12-21 Thread Sean Conner via cctalk
It was thus said that the Great Chris via cctalk once stated: > I just don't remember anyone declaring this to be an 8-bit list. Back > when I was a member no one said pc stuff was off topic. Which is why I > asked. And wasn't aware JW didn't own or run tne list anymore. One rule I remember

[cctalk] Re: Win2K+3 on a Dell Poweredge 2600

2022-12-21 Thread Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk
John, Win2003 had software raid. Does ghost see this? Dave > -Original Message- > From: John Herron via cctalk > Sent: 21 December 2022 20:27 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Cc: John Herron > Subject: [cctalk] Re: Win2K+3 on a Dell Poweredge 2600 > > I'm not

[cctalk] Using Gesswein board with RQDX3

2022-12-21 Thread Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk
Merry Christmas, everybody, I am trying to do the above. ZRQC comes up and says four drives of unknown type. Has anybody done this?  I figure there must be a configuration that needs to be done, but found nothing in the documentation to do it. cheers, Nigel Nigel Johnson, MSc., MIEEE,

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

2022-12-21 Thread Chris via cctalk
Sellam, I find nearly everything you said cogent and well appreciated. Especially coming from someone like you who is a prime mover-shaker in this hobby. I'd like to give a better more detailed reply, but don't have the time presently. And I realize people get tired of a topic when it's drawn

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

2022-12-21 Thread Mike Katz via cctalk
There were many computers that predate the 8 bit microprocessor based computers. Most of these systems are 12 bits, 16 bits, 18 bits and 36 bits (I excluded 32 bits because I'm not familiar with any 32 bits systems that were not microprocessors) DEC, Data General, CDC, IBM, Honeywell,

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

2022-12-21 Thread Chris via cctalk
You see, you see. A lot of people are getting stressed oit! Somebody please give me a pillow. And a candy bar would be nice. A draw the shades LOL On Wednesday, December 21, 2022, 02:38:37 PM EST, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: > On Dec 21, 2022, at 11:05, Bill Degnan via cctalk >

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

2022-12-21 Thread Tony Jones via cctalk
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 12:35 PM Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: > If old 8 bits are fun, older 12 bits are even more fun (50% more fun by > word size). > What about VLIW?Not that many places to discuss Itanic these days :)

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

2022-12-21 Thread Mike Katz via cctalk
If old 8 bits are fun, older 12 bits are even more fun (50% more fun by word size). And who needs BASIC in ROM (or on cassette), just toggle in your program with the switch register or load it by paper tape. On 12/21/2022 12:40 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: Old 8-bits are fun. All

[cctalk] Re: Win2K+3 on a Dell Poweredge 2600

2022-12-21 Thread John Herron via cctalk
I'm not sure but Ghost will at least tell you what it sees. Then you can choose to back it up. If you can tell it's the right size of the partition you expect then you should be good to go. You'd just need the raid partition or a regular drive of that size to restore it. The catch will be wether

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

2022-12-21 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
I've not (yet) read 40+ messages in this thread. I'd borrow a measure from vehicle licensing in what defines a "classic" car. Specifically any care 25 years old or older. It's not a perfect line, but it is a relatively easy line. I find that a quarter of a century to be easier to remember

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

2022-12-21 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
Chris, This list was never declared to be exclusively an 8-bit affair. I'm not sure where you're getting that from. From the get go in 1997 when Bill Whitson founded the list, all computers of a vintage or obsolete nature were game for discussion. It's only after a few years and time marching

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

2022-12-21 Thread Mike Stein via cctalk
No personal experience but maybe this'll help: https://corei64.com/shop/index.php?route=product/product_id=285 Sorry for encouraging inappropriate threads ;-) m On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 1:56 PM steve shumaker via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > OK..Now that you mention it, I do

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

2022-12-21 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
I will have to admit that, until I joined the CC list in 1997 when it was first launched by Bill Whitson (anyone ever heard from him since he last posted about sticking razorblades to the underside of his dashboard to thwart thieves, which apparently worked?) I didn't have much knowledge about

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

2022-12-21 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
Hi Steve. (Long time no talk.) My suggestion to you, as abhorrent as it may seem, is to buy a complete PET 2001, take your 3 keycaps, and part the rest out. Preferably one that's in crap shape. They aren't that uncommon. Sellam On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 10:56 AM steve shumaker via cctalk <

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

2022-12-21 Thread Alan Perry via cctalk
> On Dec 21, 2022, at 11:05, Bill Degnan via cctalk > wrote: > > But for this list, as we are today, we're vintage of the 8-bit era vintage > computer hobbyist. Is that what is on-topic for this list? To me those were kinda cute toys in the day. But I was using CYBERs and PDPs and VAXen

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

2022-12-21 Thread Chris via cctalk
I just don't remember anyone declaring this to be an 8-bit list. Back when I was a member no one said pc stuff was off topic. Which is why I asked. And wasn't aware JW didn't own or run tne list anymore. Evan Koblentz used to hate anything remotely connected to IBM for reasons (more then

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

2022-12-21 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Chris, That was me saying after 1990, within the context that one should start thinking "is this on topic" if the thing is any newer, and I gave some examples of then it would be and not so much be in my opinion. I also mentioned that to high school kids interested in vintage computers, their

[cctalk] new topic: CBM PET Keyboard

2022-12-21 Thread steve shumaker via cctalk
apologies for hijacking the "on topic" thread Steve On 12/21/22 10:55 AM, steve shumaker via cctalk wrote: OK.. Now that you mention it, I do have a CBM PET question.  I'm searching for replacement key tops for the chicklet keyboard. There are stems available (apparently 3d printed) on EPay

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

2022-12-21 Thread steve shumaker via cctalk
OK..    Now that you mention it, I do have a CBM PET question.  I'm searching for replacement key tops for the chicklet keyboard.  There are stems available (apparently 3d printed) on EPay but no caps. Any suggestions on where to look?    I have the keyboard and it seems a little silly to

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

2022-12-21 Thread Chris via cctalk
So Jay West doesn't own the list anymore? Since when was the cutoff declared to be 1990? No one is in charge here? What if a revolution takes place? Who will martial the forces to put ot down and hang all the imsurgents?

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

2022-12-21 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
Old 8-bits are fun. All you need is a television generally and you're ready to go. Power it up, drop into BASIC, and start doing stuff. With a PC you need a keyboard, a monitor, a mouse probably, a desktop, some software, etc. How cumbersome. And uninteresting. And boring. Maybe not the greatest

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

2022-12-21 Thread Mike Katz via cctalk
After seeing way more than a dozen messages about what is on topic I question whether this topic is on topic. Tongue firmly planting in cheek. Maybe we should apply some topical antiseptic and kill off this topic. On 12/21/2022 1:39 AM, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote: On 12/21/2022 1:22 AM,

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

2022-12-21 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 12/20/22 20:51, Chris via cctalk wrote: Well there doesn't seem to be a great deal of activity these days, I has thought the suggestion about relaxing the rules might need discussing. I know there are people still using Windows 2003 puters, or a near equivalent based on XP? But that's

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

2022-12-21 Thread Andrew Diller via cctalk
There is also TinkerDifferent- which is growing in size quickly (covers all systems, but is skewed a bit towards apple): https://tinkerdifferent.com/forums/pentium-6x86.185/ > On Dec 21, 2022, at 2:39 AM, Jim Brain via cctalk > wrote:

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

2022-12-21 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
I typically change the subject header when I reply to a post that I consider OT with the hopes that the original poster gets my point that way... On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 11:46 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > This is really funny. Do you all realize how many times

[cctalk] Re: Win2K+3 on a Dell Poweredge 2600

2022-12-21 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
So Chris, your subject should be OT: Win2K+3 on a Dell Poweredge 2600 because this is not on topic for this list.After all of our comments about topic/off topic hopefully you understand what we're talking about. If it's newer than 1990 then your post could very well be off topic (OT) unless

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

2022-12-21 Thread Raymond Wiker via cctalk
>From the headers of your message (and most likely the one you responded to): To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" List-Id: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Seems like this is the list for

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

2022-12-21 Thread Peter Coghlan via cctalk
> > Windows 2003 and XP is about as obsolete now as the IBM PC was in 1995. > Probably more so. XP is popular on Vogons but I'm sure considerably less > then 5% of computers actually host it. > > There's also the issue of beating a dead horse. There will always and > forever (and forever...) be

[cctalk] Re: Win2K+3 on a Dell Poweredge 2600

2022-12-21 Thread Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk
> -Original Message- > From: Chris via cctalk > Sent: 21 December 2022 05:13 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Cc: skogkatt...@yahoo.com > Subject: [cctalk] Win2K+3 on a Dell Poweredge 2600 > > This beast was given to me by a neighbor. Dual socket 604. Windows 2003 in > some RAID