[cctalk] Re: Random items on Pascal #3

2024-05-09 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Thu, May 9, 2024, 6:10 PM Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > > > On May 9, 2024, at 7:55 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > > > >>> ... > >>> I've written code in Pascal, as well as Modula-2. Never liked > >>> it--seemed to be a bit awkward for the low-level stuff that I was > doing. > > >

[cctalk] Re: DOS p-System Pascal: (Was: Saga of CP/M)

2024-05-09 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Thu, May 9, 2024, 5:39 AM Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > Without doing the research before asking, there was the UCSD p-System > Pascal for IBM PC which came out very early in the history of the IBM PC. > It was not very popular. The SAGE II that had native Pascal (68000) was > not a

[cctalk] Re: MS-DOS source code

2024-05-02 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Thu, May 2, 2024, 7:27 AM geneb via cctalk wrote: > On Thu, 2 May 2024, Will Cooke via cctalk wrote: > > > Some may find this interesting. Microsoft has released the source for > MS-DOS versions 1.25, 2, and 4. > > > > https://github.com/microsoft/MS-DOS > > > > I think the most interesting

[cctalk] Re: Drum memory on pdp11's? Wikipedia thinks so....

2024-04-15 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 8:00 AM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > A README in the root of 2.11 says: > > The following manual pages are NOT in 2.10BSD but ARE in 4.3BSD: > > and one of them is drum.4 > > so, I guess we need to look at a 4.3BSD system to find out

[cctalk] Re: Amoeba OS

2024-03-28 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Thu, Mar 28, 2024, 5:37 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > I know this is a real long shot but is there any chance someone > has a copy of the original distribution of the Amoeba OS from > the University in the Netherlands? Searching the web finds only > the

[cctalk] Re: How to shutdown RT11?

2024-03-22 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Fri, Mar 22, 2024, 10:54 PM Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: > On Mar 21, 2024, at 6:19 PM, W2HX via cctalk > wrote: > > > > I just got a pdp-11 to boot and it seems to have rt-11 installed. How > do I do an orderly shutdown? Google has info on simh but this ain't that. > > > > Thanks! > > 73

[cctalk] Re: DEC Processor Books

2024-03-17 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Sun, Mar 17, 2024, 12:54 PM Douglas Taylor via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> That matches what a DEC FE told me, at least about the VAX version: the > >> people were just DEC employees that caught somebody's eye when they were > >> planning the shots. Don't think they got extra

[cctalk] Re: DEC Processor Books

2024-03-17 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Sun, Mar 17, 2024, 11:51 AM Paul Koning wrote: > > > > On Mar 17, 2024, at 12:35 PM, Warner Losh via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > On Sun, Mar 17, 2024, 10:12 AM Jon Elson via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > > wrote: >

[cctalk] Re: DEC Processor Books

2024-03-17 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Sun, Mar 17, 2024, 10:12 AM Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: > On 3/17/24 09:13, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > > > > I have often wondered about the people we find in the various > > DEC Processor (and other) books. Were they models in staged > > photo-sessions or were these candid shots

[cctalk] Re: mod.sources archive?

2024-03-03 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 1:11 PM Dennis Boone via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > Maybe https://archive.org/details/usenet-mod It includes > > mod.sources.mbox.zip > > Thanks, didn't think of that. I've found things in there before. > > That takes us back into 1984. The net.*

[cctalk] Re: 86-DOS disks...

2024-01-07 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
I love seeing people I've chatted with here in other contexts. Lars and Zork was a recent one too... Warner On Sun, Jan 7, 2024, 11:34 AM John Herron via cctalk wrote: > Really cool btw. I thought it was neat that someone on slashdot also > acknowledged the interesting nature of yours being

[cctalk] Re: RIP: Software design pioneer and Pascal creator Niklaus Wirth

2024-01-04 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
My first two pascal programs of any size were an Alarm Clock for my DEC Rainbow and a PDP-11 simulator, also for my DEC Rainbow (I did a science fair project comparing stack machines to traditional ones, but invented my own stack machine and was too young to know the right way to compare/contrast

[cctalk] Re: Good C to FPGA/PLA compiler

2023-09-23 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Sat, Sep 23, 2023, 12:31 PM Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > > > On Sep 22, 2023, at 3:07 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > On 9/22/23 11:34, emanuel stiebler via cctalk wrote: > > > >> There are still some 84pin chips out there(Altera & Xilinx). Sometimes

[cctalk] Re: For Fred, especially: "Everything I know about floppy disks"

2023-09-10 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Sun, Sep 10, 2023, 4:12 PM Will Cooke via cctalk wrote: > > > > On 09/10/2023 3:00 PM CDT Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, 10 Sep 2023, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > > Now, let's talk about 2.8" and 3.25" drives; UK readers are certainly > > > familiar with 3.0 inch CF

[cctalk] Re: Silly question about S-100 and video monitors

2023-08-30 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Wed, Aug 30, 2023 at 1:52 PM Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: > I had a video board and keyboard on my Gimix SS-50 system. > > Why? > > 1. The video board/monitor is much faster than a terminal even at > 115,200 baud. > 115,200 in the S100 era was also rare. It was usually 9600 or 19200 at the

[cctalk] Re: Emacs on v7

2023-08-24 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 5:26 PM Adam Thornton via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I finally got an Emacs running on v7--it's on misspiggy at LCML now as > "ue". > > It's Microemacs 3.6; what I did was to clone > https://github.com/troglobit/MicroEMACS and check out the first commit. > >

[cctalk] Re: Connecting MFM emulator as both 1st and 2nd drive in Microvax 2000?

2023-08-13 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Sun, Aug 13, 2023, 10:20 AM Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 2023-08-13 12:18, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 13, 2023, 10:11 AM Chuck Guzis via cctalk< > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > > wrote: > > > >> O

[cctalk] Re: Connecting MFM emulator as both 1st and 2nd drive in Microvax 2000?

2023-08-13 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Sun, Aug 13, 2023, 10:11 AM Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 8/13/23 08:39, Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk wrote: > > > You've amplified my point, Fred! When I saw the abomination of > > cross-over selects in the cables in the IBM PC, I knew the need for > > Field Service Engineers was

[cctalk] Re: Old Professional/350 software, any of this out there

2023-07-28 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
Paul, Doesn't .IMD format have extra headers and metadata that means you can't just dd it to the raw device? Warner On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 8:09 AM Paul Koning via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > If you want to copy raw floppy image files to the device, a simple "dd" > command will

[cctalk] Re: Restoring Ultrix-32m 1.2 Floppies

2023-07-17 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Mon, Jul 17, 2023, 3:34 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 7/17/23 11:53, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: > > > Chuck Dickman's algorithm is in lbn2rx50.c > > > > #define RX50_TRACKS 80 > > #define RX50_SECTORS 10 > > > > int interleave[] = { 0, 2, 4, 6, 8, 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 }; > > > >

[cctalk] Re: Restoring Ultrix-32m 1.2 Floppies

2023-07-17 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Mon, Jul 17, 2023, 12:42 PM Henry Bent via cctalk wrote: > On Mon, 17 Jul 2023 at 13:06, Henry Bent wrote: > > > On Mon, 17 Jul 2023 at 12:59, Ethan Dicks via cctalk < > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > >> > >> > From: http://www.chdickman.com/pdp11/pro380.txt > >> > > >> > "The RX50

[cctalk] Re: Restoring Ultrix-32m 1.2 Floppies

2023-07-17 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Mon, Jul 17, 2023, 10:59 AM Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: > On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 12:48 PM Ethan Dicks > wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 12:28 PM Henry Bent via cctalk > > > I'm almost thoroughly unfamiliar with IMD - is there some obvious > > > extraction/conversion option that I am

[cctalk] Re: 10 types of people

2023-07-17 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Mon, Jul 17, 2023, 8:51 AM Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > Seen on the GCC bugzilla: > > "actually, there are 10 types of people: those who understand ternary, > those who dont, and those who thought this was going to be a binary joke" > I almost didn't open this... but I'm glad I did...

[cctalk] How to archive floppies

2023-07-16 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
OK. I have about 500 DEC Ranibow floppy images that I've ripped over the years. I also have a number of .td0 images as well as other oddballs. Other than Lotus 123 needing to have funky sectors on one of its bigger tracks for copy protection, I think having the raw images suffice. I have some

[cctalk] Re: Shot In the Dark: Compaq System Manager Facility

2023-07-15 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
I have compaq-system-config-us-proliant-3000-333.disk1.gz compaq-system-config-us-proliant-3000-333.disk2.gz compaq-system-config-us-proliant-3000-333.disk3.gz compaq-system-config-us-proliant-3000-333.disk4.gz In my collection that I think I used to configure a Proliant 3000 with EISA bus. is

[cctalk] Re: 1974 No Name Terminal

2023-07-06 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Thu, Jul 6, 2023, 8:41 PM Mike Stein via cctalk wrote: > Conrac mainly made CRT monitor assemblies, so the actual terminal was quite > possibly made by someone else. > > It looks vaguely familiar; I'm surprised no one's recognized it. > Yea. Looks vaguely SABER like, but my only experience

[cctalk] Re: Any RSX-11 fans able to identify file types?

2023-06-25 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Sun, Jun 25, 2023, 1:44 PM Wayne S via cctalk wrote: > The file list says they were created in the 1986 time frame. > So what Dec systems were running around then that required rsx11 ? > Chances are good if it is 86, then there'd be a pro port... these were reported extensively in the trade

[cctalk] Floppy recovery

2023-06-20 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
OK. I have just read in a bunch of Rainbow disks. Most of them read fine on the first, second or third try. Some have a sector or three amiss (I've not yet checked to see if those sectors are mapped to the filesystem or not). Some appear to be 'unformatted' though sometimes they read with errors.

[cctalk] Re: How much memory?

2023-06-17 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Sat, Jun 17, 2023, 10:38 AM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > On 6/17/2023 10:42 AM, Henry Bent via cctalk wrote: > > On Sat, 17 Jun 2023 at 10:31, Paul Koning via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > > wrote: > > > >> BSD 2.11 had TCP/IP. > >> > > Later versions of

[cctalk] Re: How much memory?

2023-06-17 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 6:04 PM ben via cctalk wrote: > On 2023-06-16 4:56 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > On 6/16/23 12:48, ben via cctalk wrote: > > > >> What cpu? > >> Minix was 16 bit code only. I suspect 16 bit code here as well. > >> Remember 32 bit code is 2x the size of 16 bit

[cctalk] Re: How much memory?

2023-06-16 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 1:49 PM ben via cctalk wrote: > On 2023-06-16 1:40 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > On 6/16/23 12:02, ben via cctalk wrote: > > > >> Ken , Jobs and Wozniak need their fair share. > >> Graphics and file system buffers take up more > >> space than you expect. > > >

[cctalk] Re: Did Bill Gates Really Say That?

2023-06-14 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Wed, Jun 14, 2023, 12:22 PM Will Cooke via cctalk wrote: > > > > On 06/14/2023 12:58 PM CDT Bill Degnan via cctalk > wrote: > > > > As far as the Bill Gates quote, I do remember reading an actual longer > > quote somewhere (?), the context was lost from a larger paragraph if one > > takes

[cctalk] Re: First non-IBM PC-DOS Compatible PC

2023-06-07 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 11:18 PM Yeechang Lee via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Warner Losh says: > > The DEC Rainbow also hit these issues and needed its own custom > > version of kermit... > > Yes, but DEC did not claim that Rainbow is fully PC compatible. Eagle and > Seequa did. >

[cctalk] Re: First non-IBM PC-DOS Compatible PC

2023-06-07 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Wed, Jun 7, 2023, 1:59 PM Yeechang Lee via cctalk wrote: > db says: > > As we were painfully made aware when people tried to run comm > > programs and they didn't work because we used the Z8530 to get dual > > serial ports. > > Hyperion was not alone in having trouble with comm ports.

[cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer Club (GCCC)

2023-05-16 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Tue, May 16, 2023, 8:30 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > Well, that would be "spot on", as the formatted capacity of an ST-251 was > 40 Megabytes. > > When used with MS-DOS, prior to MS-DOS 3.31, it would be partitioned as > two 20MB, or as a 32MB plus an 8MB. > (V3.31 was the first version

[cctalk] Re: Using Teledisk 2.16 to read old RX50 images

2023-05-14 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Sun, May 14, 2023, 7:47 AM Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > Hi! > > Well, after a good bit of work I have finally gotten my Compaq XE4000 up > and running with Windows 98, the BIOS all set, a new battery, and of > course a 1.2mb 5.25 floppy that seems to be working. > I'd avoid teledisk. I'd

[cctalk] Re: NRAO Data tapes

2023-05-09 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Tue, May 9, 2023, 9:47 PM Mark Linimon via cctalk wrote: > I wonder if those date to the first time I visited, where the PDP-11s > were still installed :-) > > Are there still T-shirts available? Mine from that trip is trash :-) > The pdp-11s were Gove by the time I got to tech in 85 I

[cctalk] Re: The World Wide Web

2023-05-04 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Thu, May 4, 2023, 6:59 AM geneb via cctalk wrote: > On Wed, 3 May 2023, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: > > > Don't forget fidonet (a network of bulletin board systems). > > > FidoNet is still a thing too. I'm the NC of Net 138. (which sadly, is now > just myself and a couple of other nodes.) >

[cctalk] Re: flipchip cleaning and pin corrosion inhibition

2023-04-23 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Sun, Apr 23, 2023, 3:56 PM W2HX via cctalk wrote: > I might be concerned about putting carbon comp resistors in the dishwasher > as they are hygroscopic. > > From an Ohmite datasheet: > https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/303/res_od_of_oa-180619.pdf > > "Carbon composition resistors are highly

[cctalk] Re: ATA-3 50-pin IDE

2023-03-26 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 10:20 PM Paul Berger via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I have seen lots of laptop drives that would fit a 50 pin connector that > is about 2mm pitch Looking at the back of the drive from the left there > are 44 pins in a group then 2 pins missing and the

[cctalk] Re: ATA-3 50-pin IDE

2023-03-26 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
50 pin is usually SCSI I've never heard of an Ata standard that did that... 44 pin laptop was just 40 pin + power (and maybe cable select, I forget). There was an 80 pin cable standard, but that used 40 pin headers and special connectors to do primary/secondary better/faster especially for

[cctalk] Re: Using Flashfloppies on Professional 350 and 380--SOLVED

2023-03-04 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
This is very cool! Glad to see you got it working... On Sat, Mar 4, 2023 at 9:06 PM Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > Ok, after banging my head against the wall for awhile this evening it > looks like I have two flashfloppy drives working on my Pro/380. Well > enough to boot from and install 3.2

[cctalk] Re: Need a 1.2mb 5.25 floppy

2023-02-27 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 11:10 AM Christian Corti via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Mon, 27 Feb 2023, Warner Losh wrote: > > You should be using QD floppies, but those are rare. DD floppies from > > later than 1985 though work just fine (discovered empirically while a > > Are they? I

[cctalk] Re: Need a 1.2mb 5.25 floppy

2023-02-27 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 9:30 AM Chuck Guzis wrote: > On 2/27/23 06:50, Warner Losh wrote: > > > You should be using QD floppies, but those are rare. DD floppies from > > later than > > 1985 though work just fine (discovered empirically while a poor college > > student, > > reconfirmed recently

[cctalk] Re: Need a 1.2mb 5.25 floppy

2023-02-27 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 12:06 AM Chuck Guzis via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 2/26/23 16:42, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > > Oi. > > > > So after finally getting things going I started copying the Pro/380 OS > > files to a bunch of 1.2mb floppies. Great. However after a bit I

[cctalk] Re: Getting QRST files onto a floppy (sigh)

2023-02-26 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
USB floopies are not general purpose devices. They have a fixed number of formats that work, and the rest do not. Warner On Sun, Feb 26, 2023 at 2:44 PM Wayne S via cctalk wrote: > Your troubles with USB floppy drives reinforces my own experiences. They > seem to work okay in windows using a

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

2023-02-01 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Wed, Feb 1, 2023, 2:52 PM Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > > > On Feb 1, 2023, at 3:20 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > > > > On Wed, 1 Feb 2023, Ali via cctalk wrote: > >> But does that matter? If the main purpose is to be able to refresh the > data so it is readable does it matter

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

2023-02-01 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 10:13 AM emanuel stiebler wrote: > On 2023-02-01 10:56, Warner Losh wrote: > > > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 1:41 AM emanuel stiebler via cctalk > > mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote: > > > retension in case of power off. > > If the power is applied all the time,

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

2023-02-01 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 10:02 AM Ali via cctalk wrote: > > However, it may well be that writing is the only way to refresh cells, > > as reading won't, if I understand flash operation correctly. But > > rewriting a sector or block of a file doesn't usually write back to the > > original, because

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

2023-02-01 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 1:41 AM emanuel stiebler via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 2023-02-01 00:00, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > On 1/31/23 20:16, Ali via cctalk wrote: > > > If you look at the specs for SSDs or any flash medium for that matter, > > they're rated in terms of

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

2023-01-31 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Tue, Jan 31, 2023, 6:44 PM Paul Koning wrote: > > > > On Jan 31, 2023, at 8:38 PM, Warner Losh via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2023, 5:03 PM Ali via cctalk > wrote: > > > >>> I thought Flash could on

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

2023-01-31 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Tue, Jan 31, 2023, 5:03 PM Ali via cctalk wrote: > > I thought Flash could only hold the data in them X amount of years > > until > > the junctions discharge or whatever? It's less permanent than decent > > quality optical or pro magnetic media? > > > > You have to plug them in every so often

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

2023-01-31 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Tue, Jan 31, 2023, 11:37 AM Ethan O'Toole via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > What do you guys think of the "archive-ness" of current solid state > > devices? M.2, NVMe, SSD, or even USB thumb sticks? A friend proposed > > that when one of those starts to go bad, any kind of

[cctalk] Re: HP3000 recently deinstalled available in Colorado for nothing.

2023-01-26 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Thu, Jan 26, 2023, 4:15 PM Angel M Alganza via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 2023-01-26 19:01, ben via cctalk wrote: > > > If one really wanted it they would find a way. > > When you are 3000 Km away, maybe, but when you are at the wrong side of > the pond it isn't that easy...

[cctalk] Re: in need of 2.5" disks

2023-01-21 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Sat, Jan 21, 2023, 6:17 PM Chris via cctalk wrote: > You read it right. I think only Zenith and Fujifilm made them. > Years ago I bought a portable with 2.5" floppies. It came with 1 disk that was dodgy... I couldn't find disks then... and that was the 90s... good luck. Warner >

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

2023-01-20 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 4:31 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 1/20/23 16:05, emanuel stiebler via cctalk wrote: > > On 2023-01-20 15:58, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > >> On 1/20/23 15:45, Ali via cctalk wrote: > The funny thing is that James and I were

[cctalk] Re: Gotek as RX50 replacement for DECmate II

2023-01-11 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 8:14 PM h...@dec.dog via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > appreciate the reply, Matt! unfortunately it doesn’t seem that that did > the trick, another round of feeding it disk images and it still doesn’t > want to boot. > > i tried the block and sector RX50 images

[cctalk] Re: Reading Old Floppies

2023-01-09 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 12:19 PM Glen Slick via cctalk wrote: > On Mon, Jan 9, 2023, 10:23 AM Warner Losh via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > wrote: > > > On Sun, Jan 8, 2023, 6:29 PM Zane Healy via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > > wrote: > >

[cctalk] Re: Reading Old Floppies

2023-01-09 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Sun, Jan 8, 2023, 6:29 PM Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: > When reading old floppies, how often is it advisable to clean the drive? > I managed the first 3.5” floppies no problem, I’m using a USB Floppy Drive > hooked up to my Mac Laptop, I was able to image them using “Disk Utility”. > The

[cctalk] Re: Reading Old Floppies

2023-01-08 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
For 5.25" RX50 floppies, I imaged 400 of them before I needed to clean the drive... and even then I'm not sure it needed it... Warner On Sun, Jan 8, 2023, 6:29 PM Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: > When reading old floppies, how often is it advisable to clean the drive? > I managed the first 3.5”

[cctalk] Re: Downsizing "feeler"

2023-01-07 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 1:59 PM Glen Slick via cctalk wrote: > On Sat, Jan 7, 2023, 11:12 AM George Currie via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > I need to go through and hit some highlights, but there are things from > rack mount PDP-10's > > -- > > Did you really mean PDP-10

[cctalk] Re: loading vt220 fonts

2023-01-07 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Sat, Jan 7, 2023, 1:04 AM Lars Brinkhoff via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Grant Taylor wrote: > > I'm not that surprised that soft fonts are (re)using Sixel. > > Maybe the other way around. I don't really know what the timeline was, > but it seems to me maybe soft fonts came

[cctalk] Re: best C compiler(s) for varied vintage programming

2022-12-27 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Tue, Dec 27, 2022, 7:31 AM Chris via cctalk wrote: > Apparently Northstar's dos is yet another amended version of ms-dos. I > suppose it was supplied for basic tasks, as it couldn't possibly provide > all the features supplied by Netware. So whereas this may not be as > difficult as I

[cctalk] Re: best C compiler(s) for varied vintage programming

2022-12-26 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
OK. You guys are all over the place. I do think you are confusing Compiler and Run Time first off. I ran Turbo C on my DEC Rainbow which had MS-DOS compatibility but not PC-DOS/PC BIOS compatibility. TCC would run in this environment (modulo it's use of INT 18 which I did a hack to allow on the

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

2022-12-20 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
So long as we don't talk about what is or isn't allowed, the list traffic is low enough not to need specific rules... Except maybe not talking about what is vintage. :p Warner Ps :p is retro emoji :). On Tue, Dec 20, 2022, 9:58 PM Chris via cctalk wrote: > Nah. The nays would habe to

[cctalk] Re: Old Silicon Valley poster

2022-12-10 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 5:59 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 12/10/22 18:27, John Foust via cctalk wrote: > > > > Well, she went for $810 to a map dealer in London, and he had to pay > > about another $200 for the eBay global shipping program and duties. > > > > I

[cctalk] Re: Inline Serial Device?

2022-11-12 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Sat, Nov 12, 2022, 4:41 PM Glen Slick via cctalk wrote: > On Sat, Nov 12, 2022 at 12:36 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > > > On 11/12/22 11:56, ben via cctalk wrote: > > > On 2022-11-12 12:33 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > > > > Watch out for Indians. :) > > > Ben. > > > >

[cctalk] Re: Exabyte recovery

2022-11-10 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 7:52 PM Warner Losh wrote: > I have a few old exabyte tapes of possible historic value. Who can I pay > to get them recovered that has the best chance of success? > These are 4GB tapes, I believe. Made in 1992 or 1994 give or take. They are in Sun dump format. i need the

[cctalk] Exabyte recovery

2022-11-09 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
I have a few old exabyte tapes of possible historic value. Who can I pay to get them recovered that has the best chance of success? Warner

[cctalk] Re: Finding tar block size.

2022-10-11 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 4:14 PM Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > Trying to tar a directory and transfer it to my AT 7300 (SVR2 unix). > Tar -tf works fine on the Mac OSX, but when I copy it over the Unix (not > gnu) tar gives me a: > > Tar: blocksize = 20 > directory checksum error > > When I try

[cctalk] Re: Minicomputer front panel.

2022-09-23 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Fri, Sep 23, 2022 at 2:22 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > On Fri, 23 Sep 2022, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > There might be some exceptions: a spare RF11 or RC11/RS64 platter merely > > needs to be bolted to the spindle hub and formatted, that's a normal > > field repair procedure.

[cctalk] Re: VCF Swap Meet October 8, 2022 @ InfoAge

2022-09-11 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Sun, Sep 11, 2022, 1:51 PM Will Cooke via cctalk wrote: > > > > On 09/11/2022 12:47 PM CDT Jeffrey Brace via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > > > The following info is found here: https://vcfed.org/vcf-swap-meet/, but > I'm > > pasting here for your reference. > > > >

[cctalk] Re: MicroVAX CTI (DEC Professional) card

2022-09-09 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Fri, Sep 9, 2022, 3:24 PM Lee Gleason via cctalk wrote: > >Took some pictures of the MicroVAX CTI card, and another odd card I > got - an 8086 CTI smartcard. See 'em both at > > > https://rsx11.blogspot.com/2022/09/microvax-and-8086-smartcards-for-dec.html The 8086 card was likely for

[cctalk] Re: Wang bar napkin story [WAS:RE: Re: "Revival" of a dedicated Micropolis webpage on internet]

2022-08-22 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 7:13 AM Paul Koning via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > On Aug 21, 2022, at 8:35 PM, W2HX via cctalk > wrote: > > > > I always thought it was interesting how 5 1/4 is 3U (rack units). I > thought there might have been some relationship to that. But could

[cctalk] Re: "Revival" of a dedicated Micropolis webpage on internet

2022-08-16 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 11:33 AM Jonathan Chapman via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > I think it was Dysan that first showed up with reinforcing ring kits > > Probably, "Grabettes." > > > Then why was is it that DD media bought well after HD media was > available, in use, and the norm

[cctalk] Re: VT220 North of Boston

2022-08-10 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 11:30 AM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > >> Boston GB, Boston USA or Boston somewhere else? > > On Tue, 9 Aug 2022, Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk wrote: > > There are apparently 16 Bostons in the USA > > https://geotargit.com/citiespercountry.php?qcountry_code=US=Boston > >

[cctalk] Re: Connecting a physical terminal via LAN to Serial Port

2022-07-31 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Sun, Jul 31, 2022, 1:29 PM Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > Either way, a complete system might cost 10-20 dollars. Check our > "Arduino Nano" or "Adafruit Trinket". I used the latter in my LK201 > keyboard emulators. > Are these available? If, what's the details? Warner

[cctalk] Re: Dec pdp 11 ultrix

2022-07-31 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Sat, Jul 30, 2022 at 1:20 PM Ron Pool via cctalk wrote: > > 7m was the Bell Labs unix that came after v6. I've got the disks > > somewhere around here, are there other copies out there? > > There is a copy of the contents of a 7m distribution tape at: >

[cctalk] Re: What is an "FS/2" connector?

2022-07-30 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Sat, Jul 30, 2022, 5:21 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 7/30/22 15:16, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > > > > But, I'm REALLY hoping that someday you will elaborate in length about > > the MS-DOS 2.11 and 3.31 OEM configuration capabilities and limitations! > > > My recollection (very

[cctalk] Re: Agenda VR3 MIPS cross-gcc

2022-07-30 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Sun, Jul 24, 2022, 11:09 PM Cameron Kaiser via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > There used to be a cross-compiling gcc for MIPS specifically for the > VR4121 in > the Agenda VR3 PDA, but it doesn't seem to be on any of the remaining > sites. > Anyone out there got it or, he asked

[cctalk] Re: Dec pdp 11 ultrix

2022-07-29 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Fri, Jul 29, 2022, 8:58 PM devin davison via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Thank you for the suggestion, but what is 7m? i have done a few seacches > but not turned up much. > DEC fixed a few bugs in V7 and expanded hardware support and called it 7m. Sounds promising, if i can

Re: Cross-tools

2022-06-28 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 6:08 PM Paul Koning wrote: > > > > On Jun 28, 2022, at 5:25 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 3:03 PM Paul Koning via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > I'm looking for cross tools for PDP11. I know of macro11, and have been >

Re: Cross-tools

2022-06-28 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 3:03 PM Paul Koning via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I'm looking for cross tools for PDP11. I know of macro11, and have been > feeding Olaf assorted fixes. > > I built my own LIBR (in Python, that was easy enough). > > So now I'm looking for LINK and TKB. I

Re: Viking SCSI controller RS232 adapter

2022-06-28 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Tue, Jun 28, 2022, 1:21 PM Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: > On Jun 28, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Daniel Seagraves via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > For the UDT at least the RS232 lines are regular RS232 and the plug I > made for communicating with it was just an old PC serial

Re: IBM PC Connecting to DECNET

2022-06-02 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
Speaking of DEPCA, does anybody (a) know what kind of mouse connects (the docs just say DIGITAL MOUSE) and (b) know where to get one? Warner On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 9:47 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 10:09 PM Rick Murphy via cctalk > wrote: > > > > On 6/1/2022 12:49

Re: IBM PC Connecting to DECNET

2022-06-01 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 7:51 AM Paul Koning wrote: > > > > On Jun 1, 2022, at 5:53 AM, Warner Losh via cctech < > cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > ... > > I believe the DEPCA was based on the venerable > > SONIC chipset, but it may have been the LANCE. It wasn't NE-2000 > compatible > >

Re: IBM PC Connecting to DECNET

2022-06-01 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 10:08 PM Wayne S via cctech wrote: > I think Decnet can run over a serial connection (rs-232) if you have > Decnet software. It’s not medium dependent. I got it to work years ago from > vax-to-vax. I’m not aware of any pc decnet software although I haven’t > looked much

Re: Slashed letter O, unslashed letter zero

2022-04-26 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 11:25 AM Shoppa, Tim via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > This website has a history of slashing the letter O (and also ticked, > center-dotted, etc.) oriented around computing: > https://circuitousroot.com/artifice/letters/characters/slashed-o/index.html Now I

Re: DEC RX50 mysterious 81st cylinder

2022-04-23 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Sat, Apr 23, 2022, 10:11 PM Bjoren Davis via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Hello Retroovers, > > Here's something interesting that Oleksii in Ukraine discovered. > > While playing with a Fluxengine, he found that some RX50s have data, > stored in FM format, in a single sector the

Re: PCI floppy controller

2022-04-23 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
aborate? > I got mine about 2 or 3 years ago and it did everything I needed at the > time, but haven't used it since. > > Thanks > Tom > > > On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 9:19 AM Warner Losh via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> On Fri, Apr

Re: PCI floppy controller

2022-04-22 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 7:07 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > As another person with a desire to be able to read/write/create > disks of different sizes and formats I have found this interesting. > > So the question, then > > How hard would it be to make a

Re: PCI floppy controller

2022-04-22 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Fri, Apr 22, 2022, 12:25 PM Grant Taylor via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 4/22/22 11:46 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: > > By the time there were PCI Adaptec cards, there was no longer a floppy > > controller on them that I ever saw. As others have po

Re: PCI floppy controller

2022-04-22 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 7:54 PM Grant Taylor via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 4/21/22 5:47 PM, Charles Dickman via cctalk wrote: > > Were there ever any floppy controllers for the (parallel) PCI bus? > > Didn't some of the Adaptec SCSI cards have a floppy controller on them? > >

Re: Retro networking / WAN communities

2022-04-11 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 4:39 PM Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > On 4/11/22 1:59 PM, Lars Brinkhoff via cctalk wrote: > > For your consideration: > > > > - Arpanet (NCP) > > Is that "NCP" the same NCP that's in ancient BSDs? Or is it a term > collision? > NCP was the forerunner of TCP/IP. Net

Re: Data recovery (was: Re: SETI@home (ca. 2000) servers heading to salvage)

2022-04-04 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
That's what a sanitize operation does. It forgets the key and reformats the metadata with a new key. Also, with SSDs, any erase block that's erased is going to not have any data that's recoverable. First, the erase voltage is huge, moving the cell to a negative voltage (the only abode that's

Re: Looking for computer and individual to read old floppy disks

2022-03-11 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 8:34 PM Fred Cisin wrote: > I got more details from the guy with the disks. They are apparently > "360K" PC floppies with XYWRITE files, and he wants to load the file > contents into a "modern"? word processor. So hopefully, somebody can > help him,

Re: Looking for computer and individual to read old floppy disks

2022-03-11 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 8:04 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 3/11/22 18:32, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: > > > There are no 5.25" USB floppies. Well, not 100% true (there are > > values in the identifier strings that tell you it's a 1.2MB floppy vs > > a 1.44M

Re: Looking for computer and individual to read old floppy disks

2022-03-11 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 7:25 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > >> I got more details from the guy with the disks. They are apparently > >> "360K" PC floppies with XYWRITE files, and he wants to load the file > >> contents into a "modern"? word processor. So hopefully, somebody can > help > >>

Re: Information about an unknown IC

2022-02-24 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 12:47 PM Clemar Folly via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > This chip is from a cartridge for the Atari 2600. The board is not mine. > I'm trying to help identify the IC. > > It's the PCB of the AtariAge post. > > I had already looked in the Texas data book and found

Re: DEC VT52 CRT anode connection

2022-02-23 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Wed, Feb 23, 2022, 10:05 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 2/23/22 18:17, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote: > > Hmm - Depends on where that pesky ground connection is put :-) (Duck) > > Well, if you stand on your head whilst soldering it in, it's all good! :) > True, but also helps if it

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