[cctalk] Re: IBM PS/2 Model 80 (8580-071) restoration

2023-03-11 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 3/10/23 6:10 PM, Jon Elson wrote: Certainly check the Power OK signal from the power supply, if that isn't working the whole system will be frozen. When I next spend some time on the system I will check the voltages from the power supply. Will I be able to get an accurate measurement if I

[cctalk] Re: IBM PS/2 Model 80 (8580-071) restoration

2023-03-10 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 3/10/23 16:36, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: On 3/10/23 1:57 PM, Sellam Abraham wrote: Don't underestimate the troubleshooting utility of re-seating every chip that is socketed. Fair enough. Certainly check the Power OK signal from the power supply, if that isn't working the whole syste

[cctalk] Re: IBM PS/2 Model 80 (8580-071) restoration

2023-03-10 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 3/10/23 1:57 PM, Sellam Abraham wrote: Don't underestimate the troubleshooting utility of re-seating every chip that is socketed. Fair enough. Though I think there are very few socketed chips: Link - IBM PS/2 Model 80 "Type 1" (386DX-16) Planer - https://ardent-tool.com/8580/Planar_

[cctalk] Re: IBM PS/2 Model 80 (8580-071) restoration

2023-03-10 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 12:47 PM Grant Taylor via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 3/8/23 9:18 PM, Grant Taylor wrote: > > I acquired an IBM PS/2 Model 80 (8580-071) today and am looking for > > advice on what I should do to check it out before, during, and after > > applying power for

[cctalk] Re: IBM PS/2 Model 80 (8580-071) restoration

2023-03-10 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 3/8/23 9:18 PM, Grant Taylor wrote: I acquired an IBM PS/2 Model 80 (8580-071) today and am looking for advice on what I should do to check it out before, during, and after applying power for the first time. After many comments here and elsewhere indicating that nothing should smoke, I wen

[cctalk] Re: IBM PS/2 Model 80 (8580-071) restoration

2023-03-10 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
A word of warning, the "inertial rotation" procedure was great for smaller drives, but you may break your arm applying this to an ESDI :-) Not necessarily. Not all ESDI drives are physically large. In one generic PC, I used an ESDI drive, that I bought used, with a WD -7 controller. It was a

[cctalk] Re: IBM PS/2 Model 80 (8580-071) restoration

2023-03-10 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 3/9/23 2:24 PM, John Maxwell wrote: Is there a repository to where I can upload diskette images? As others have indicated, the Internet Archive seems to be an acceptable place. There are some other places that are more subject matter specific. The A.T.C. comes to mind for IBM PS/2 stuff

[cctalk] Re: IBM PS/2 Model 80 (8580-071) restoration

2023-03-10 Thread Christian Corti via cctalk
On Thu, 9 Mar 2023, John Maxwell wrote: Nowhere do I see any mention of a Model 80 Reference Disk. If you don't have one of these, you will not be able to configure the machine. I _should_ have a copy of one lying around (or already imaged/archived) - https://ardent-tool.com/disks/ https://ard

[cctalk] Re: IBM PS/2 Model 80 (8580-071) restoration

2023-03-09 Thread Wayne S via cctalk
Snip On Mar 9, 2023, at 10:57 PM, John Maxwell via cctalk wrote: >>> On 3/9/23 10:16 AM, John Maxwell wrote: >>> Nowhere do I see any mention of a Model 80 Reference Disk. If you >>> don't have one of these, you will not be able to configure the machine. >> > > Is there a repository to w

[cctalk] Re: IBM PS/2 Model 80 (8580-071) restoration

2023-03-09 Thread John Maxwell via cctalk
>On 3/9/23 10:16 AM, John Maxwell wrote: >> Nowhere do I see any mention of a Model 80 Reference Disk. If you >> don't have one of these, you will not be able to configure the machine. >Yep. I'm well aware. This is not my 1st PS/2 rodeo. I actually cut my teeth >on used PS/2s in the mid-90s.

[cctalk] Re: IBM PS/2 Model 80 (8580-071) restoration

2023-03-09 Thread Gregory Beat via cctalk
It has been a long-time (almost 40 years now) since I worked part-time at an IBM dealer, BUT attended ALL the IBM hardware training (and later as an early corporate PC center manager), including the wonderful OS/2 presentations. I also selected that IBM model for my father’s business software, w

[cctalk] Re: IBM PS/2 Model 80 (8580-071) restoration

2023-03-09 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 3/9/23 1:49 PM, Bill Degnan wrote: I have worked on enough of these to not take chances. It's a pain if you have to guess. If you can't get into the hard drive you can't read the config.sys and autoexec.bat for clues, you can't run a diagnostics as easily. So it's just conservative, my app

[cctalk] Re: IBM PS/2 Model 80 (8580-071) restoration

2023-03-09 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 3:40 PM Grant Taylor via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 3/9/23 1:03 PM, Bill Degnan wrote: > > That's my point, at least try the system see if it works as is, but > > assume the battery is just about dead if not completely. May have > > enough juice for one or

[cctalk] Re: IBM PS/2 Model 80 (8580-071) restoration

2023-03-09 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 3/9/23 1:03 PM, Bill Degnan wrote: That's my point, at least try the system see if it works as is, but assume the battery is just about dead if not completely. May have enough juice for one or two more boots. so get the info out of it you can. I'm curious, what do you think /might/ be abo

[cctalk] Re: IBM PS/2 Model 80 (8580-071) restoration

2023-03-09 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 2:22 PM John Maxwell via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 9-Mar-23 10h36. Grant Taylor wrote: > > >On 3/9/23 6:20 AM, Bill Degnan wrote: > >> First and foremost, try to boot the computer to make note of the > >> configuration, if there is one still stored in the s

[cctalk] Re: IBM PS/2 Model 80 (8580-071) restoration

2023-03-09 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 3/9/23 10:16 AM, John Maxwell wrote: Nowhere do I see any mention of a Model 80 Reference Disk. If you don't have one of these, you will not be able to configure the machine. Yep. I'm well aware. This is not my 1st PS/2 rodeo. I actually cut my teeth on used PS/2s in the mid-90s. I _sh

[cctalk] Re: IBM PS/2 Model 80 (8580-071) restoration

2023-03-09 Thread John Maxwell via cctalk
On 9-Mar-23 10h36. Grant Taylor wrote: >On 3/9/23 6:20 AM, Bill Degnan wrote: >> First and foremost, try to boot the computer to make note of the >> configuration, if there is one still stored in the system. Nowhere do I see any mention of a Model 80 Reference Disk. If you don't have one of th

[cctalk] Re: IBM PS/2 Model 80 (8580-071) restoration

2023-03-09 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 3/9/23 6:20 AM, Bill Degnan wrote: First and foremost, try to boot the computer to make note of the configuration, if there is one still stored in the system. Hum. That sort of surprises me. I naively assumed that there would be some work that I should do before powering the system on to

[cctalk] Re: IBM PS/2 Model 80 (8580-071) restoration

2023-03-09 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
First and foremost, try to boot the computer to make note of the configuration, if there is one still stored in the system. I don't expect the battery to have held the config but there is always hope. Make detailed notes if you're lucky enough to have the configs saved. Otherwise get a new batte

[cctalk] Re: IBM PS/2 Model 80 (8580-071) restoration

2023-03-08 Thread r.stricklin via cctalk
> On Mar 8, 2023, at 8:18 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk > wrote: > > The label near the power switch says that it's an 8580-071. I have no idea > how that compares to the hardware that's in it. That would be 16 MHz, one 70 MB ESDI HDD (IBM 0667). Maximum 2 MB on the planar (2x 1 MB modules)