Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

On 30 January 2016 at 06:18, Robert Ferguson wrote: > This is exactly correct, although marketing had nothing to do with the “NT” > retcon; we did it ourselves. > > - Rob > > ps: the i860 was not a pleasant thing. There was much rejoicing in the halls > the day we decided to

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

> On Jan 27, 2016, at 22:52, John Blake wrote: > > Vetusware is highly unreliable and tries to charge for accounts, which isn't > worth it at all because most of the things I've gotten from there haven't > worked. Try: https://winworldpc.com/library I got the "blue

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

> On Jan 28, 2016, at 5:01 AM, Liam Proven wrote: > > Actually, though, it was developed on multiple CPU platforms, and one > was an in-house board design based around Intel's RISC chip, the i860 > -- codenamed the N10. NT allegedly stood for "N Ten" before MS > marketing

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

[massive snippage, sorry] Several folks have mentioned Dave Cutler. There's a book called "Inside Windows NT", by Helen Custer at Microsoft Press. The aforementioned Dave Cutler (architect of software including RSX11, VAX/VMS, VAXELN, and WNT) wrote a foreword for it. There, he says the goals

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

On 27 January 2016 at 23:00, Geoffrey Oltmans wrote: > Hmmm... agree to disagree I guess. I generally found the Workplace shell in > OS/2 a bit cumbersome and maddening compared to a lot of the GUI > alternatives. I have to agree. Classic MacOS, particularly in MacOS 8 and

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

On 27 January 2016 at 18:38, j...@cimmeri.com wrote: > Correct me if I'm remembering incorrectly (probably am), but wasn't NT a > descendent of DEC VMS? Oversimplifying freely: DEC OS team lead Dave Cutler wanted to take VAX/VMS multi-platform. DEC rejected this. So he allowed

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

tor 2016-01-28 klockan 01:52 -0500 skrev John Blake: > Vetusware is highly unreliable and tries to charge for accounts, which > isn't worth it at all because most of the things I've gotten from there > haven't worked. Try: https://winworldpc.com/library > > Their images are tested, I've used

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

ons 2016-01-27 klockan 14:42 +0100 skrev Liam Proven: > But trying the modern version today brings the bad memories flooding > back, I'm afraid... Of multi-thousand-line CONFIG.SYS files, of > juggling drivers (PATA versus SATA today, for example), of patchy or > missing hardware support etc. >

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

I finally managed to get OS/2 Warp Connect 3.0 installed after a few tries. I think that messing with the SCSI2SD settings fixed things. My best guess is that with the default settings the BIOS code could access the drive, but once OS/2 switched over to its own drivers part way through the

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

Vetusware is highly unreliable and tries to charge for accounts, which isn't worth it at all because most of the things I've gotten from there haven't worked. Try: https://winworldpc.com/library Their images are tested, I've used the OS/2 Warp 4 images to install on an old thinkpad 760. I'd

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

I tried the touch screen again. This time the mouse remained working, and it's kind of usable-ish after running the CALIBRAT.EXE utility. -- Mark J. Blair, NF6X http://www.nf6x.net/

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

> Correct me if I'm remembering incorrectly (probably am), but wasn't > NT a descendent of DEC VMS? As I understand it - an important caveat here - Windows NT was to some extent a conceptual descendent of VMS, but that was more because the same person was instrumental in designing both than

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

On 1/27/2016 8:42 AM, Liam Proven wrote: I actually bought OS/2 with my own money. I was always extremely averse to doing that. It was good for its time, but NT 3.x was technically superior, just lacking in the UI department. Correct me if I'm remembering incorrectly (probably am), but

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

Correct me if I'm remembering incorrectly (probably am), but wasn't NT a descendent of DEC VMS? On Wed, 27 Jan 2016, Mouse wrote: As I understand it - an important caveat here - Windows NT was to some extent a conceptual descendent of VMS, but that was more because the same person was

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

On 1/27/2016 1:14 PM, John Willis wrote: Correct me if I'm remembering incorrectly (probably am), but wasn't NT a descendent of DEC VMS? As I understand it - an important caveat here - Windows NT was to some extent a conceptual descendent of VMS, but that was more because the same person was

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 12:14 PM, John Willis wrote: > everything-is-plaintext philosophy. IMO, NT offers a better kernel than > OS/2, > but nothing has ever matched the elegance and sheer power of the Workplace > Shell as a graphical abstraction. > Hmmm... agree to

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

On 27 January 2016 at 07:18, Mark J. Blair wrote: > That XDFCOPY.EXE from the BonusPak ISO also has the same issue under MS-DOS > 6.22 on the PS/2. However, I got an OS/2 prompt from the first two floppies > of the OS/2 Warp Connect 3.0 set (which are regular 1.44M floppies), and

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

On 26 January 2016 at 17:24, Mark J. Blair wrote: > That site looks a bit more challenging for an English-only speaker. :) Maybe > google translate can help me find my way around... yeah, much better now. > Thanks for the links! Yes, it certainly is. I live in the Czech

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

XDFCOPY.EXE from that BonusPak ISO isn't working on my ImageDisk rig; it says it can't format track 0. I think I'll try reinstalling DOS 6.22 on the PS/2 temporarily to see if I can write out the XDF disks there. Or maybe I'll try PC-DOS 7 if I can find it. -- Mark J. Blair, NF6X

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

That XDFCOPY.EXE from the BonusPak ISO also has the same issue under MS-DOS 6.22 on the PS/2. However, I got an OS/2 prompt from the first two floppies of the OS/2 Warp Connect 3.0 set (which are regular 1.44M floppies), and then I can CD to the DOS 6.22 HD and use that XDFCOPY.EXE to write the

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

Warp 3 requires a 386SX with 4MB at minimum. Connect will work with a 386 and 8 to 12MB RAM, depending on what LAN services you choose to run. Here is a link to an IBM Redbook on the subject, covering all of this in great detail. http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg244552.pdf No version

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

On 26 January 2016 at 06:24, Mark J. Blair wrote: > So I think my next challenge is to figure out how to write out 1.8M XDF > floppies from the installation floppy images. Maybe I can find a utility to > write them from DOS? I have a 386 clone running MS-DOS 6.22 that I use for

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

> On Jan 26, 2016, at 06:30, Liam Proven wrote: > > Try VetusWare: > http://vetusware.com/ I have been getting my OS/2 images from there. > > Or OldDos Ru: > http://old-dos.ru/ That site looks a bit more challenging for an English-only speaker. :) Maybe google translate

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

On 01/26/2016 06:30 AM, Liam Proven wrote: On 26 January 2016 at 06:24, Mark J. Blair wrote: So I think my next challenge is to figure out how to write out 1.8M XDF floppies from the installation floppy images. Maybe I can find a utility to write them from DOS? I have a 386

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

On Jan 25, 2016, at 9:24 PM, Mark J. Blair wrote: > images. Maybe I can find a utility to write them from DOS? I have a 386 clone > running MS-DOS 6.22 that I use for running ImageDisk. There's an LOADDSKF program on the CD that can be used to write the images to floppies, from DOS. It may

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

> > > > > > So, would any of y'all like to help me brainstorm about interesting > > applications for this vintage heap, or maybe point me towards non-eBay > > sources of software that it would like to run? > > > > -- > > Mark J. Blair, NF6X > > http://www.nf6x.net/ > > > > > Sell

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

> On Jan 25, 2016, at 08:29, drlegendre . wrote: > > If you're interested in a speed-up, I'm fairly sure a 486DX/2-66 should > drop-in for the current 33mhz CPU, without any additional changes. Doubles > your core speed and adds the math co-processor in one go. Cool. I

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

Ugh. Find Warp (OS/2 v3 ) if you plan on playing with OS/2. It had more drivers included. If you find IBM Visualage software, you'll get C/C++ and with enough hunting - Smalltalk. I always wanted to play with that, but couldn't justify the needed. Todd Killingsworth On Mon, Jan 25, 2016

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

> On Jan 25, 2016, at 08:44, Todd Killingsworth > wrote: > > Ugh. Find Warp (OS/2 v3 ) if you plan on playing with OS/2. It had more > drivers included. I think I'll give it a try. I had wanted to run whatever OS version would have most likely shipped with

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

On 01/25/2016 09:11 AM, Todd Killingsworth wrote: According to the first Google hit, Warp should be really close in time with your PS/2: ( From http://www.os2museum.com/wp/os2-history/os2-timeline/ ) *OS/2 Warp*—October 1994—Codename Warp IBM distributed free CDs with Warp on them about then,

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

If you're interested in a speed-up, I'm fairly sure a 486DX/2-66 should drop-in for the current 33mhz CPU, without any additional changes. Doubles your core speed and adds the math co-processor in one go. On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:29 AM, Mark J. Blair wrote: > To my surprise, I

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

According to the first Google hit, Warp should be really close in time with your PS/2: ( From http://www.os2museum.com/wp/os2-history/os2-timeline/ ) *OS/2 Warp*—October 1994—Codename Warp - Internal revision 8.162 (94/09/19) - Performance tuned, lower resource requirements - Compatible

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

> On Jan 25, 2016, at 10:04 , Chuck Guzis wrote: > > However, my recollection of Warp is that you need two floppies available for > the "kicker" loader. Given that PS/2 floppy drives seem to have an > unfortunate propensity toward death, you might want to check those out

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

> On Jan 25, 2016, at 10:19, drlegendre . wrote: > > You should also be able to attach an external SCSI CD drive using a device > like the Trantor T-348, which is a parallel port -to- SCSI adapter built > into a cable. I should also be able to plug one into the system's

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

> On Jan 25, 2016, at 09:21, Chuck Guzis wrote: > > IBM distributed free CDs with Warp on them about then, publicizing their > "Developer Connection"--something akin to MSDN. The CD included (IIRC) a C > compiler and a few tools as well. I still have my CD; if you want an

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

On Mon, 25 Jan 2016, Mark J. Blair wrote: This machine doesn't have a CD drive, and I don't think it ever did based on there being no missing bezel filler panels. But I think that the scsi2sd may be able to emulate a CD drive. I'm off to work now, but this evening I'll poke around to see

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

You should also be able to attach an external SCSI CD drive using a device like the Trantor T-348, which is a parallel port -to- SCSI adapter built into a cable. I've used one many times to load OS onto some weird old machine that lacked any other (easy) options. There are both DOS and Linux

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

This brings back memories. One place I worked used a IBM "Industrial" PS/2. It's main board was the same as a regular PS/2 don't remember the model. We were buying so many of these things IBM set us up as reseller. Still have the "Authorized Reseller" sign somewhere in the basement. These things

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

The 'best' 'prepackaged' version of OS/2 to have is probably the one called 'DemoPkg'. Back in the day it was for IBM and Business Partners internal use only and - as the name suggests - included an OS/2 system preconfigured and installed with a whole bunch of interesting software. Came as a set

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

On Jan 25, 2016, at 12:29 AM, Mark J. Blair wrote: > So, would any of y'all like to help me brainstorm about interesting > applications for this vintage heap, or maybe point me towards non-eBay > sources of software that it would like to run? Great work on the restoration!