Digital (Was RE: Mac "Workgroup Server" (or "network server") hardware & AIX)

> > > > Don’t fret, once OpenVMS v9.0 is released, on x86-64, there won’t be any doubt > as to who won. :-) > Sadly, no one won. I doubt any one (well perhaps not anyone) would consider OpenVMS for a new deployment. Upgrading existing environments, yes, but a new green field site. It would ha

Re: Digital (Was RE: Mac "Workgroup Server" (or "network server") hardware & AIX)

Zitat von Dave Wade : I actually wonder if an FPGA VAX chip could be made that would run faster than existing real VAXEN. That could perhaps form the basis of a nice VaxStation... ... on browsing I found this... If you get ~200VUPS on an i7, it should be possible to put it in an FPGA, a

Very sad message: the passing of Jon Johnston

This morning I got the sad message of the passing of Jon Johnston the curator of the HP Museum website www.hpmusem.net. More info at :

History [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]

> Is it NAT keeping everyone suppressed behind dynamic translation or > is it more that 80% of the people on the net are just consuming media > and since they don't clamor for equal "real" IP access, the ISPs > simply don't care about that. A bit from column A, a bit from column B, I would say. >

Re: Fast Unibus Sync Serial?

> On Apr 26, 2016, at 10:47 PM, Ken Seefried wrote: > > From: Paul Koning >> >> HDLC is ok so far as it goes, but DDCMP is superior in every respect. The >> only reason >> to use HDLC is that you need to talk something that can't be made to speak >> DDCMP. >> > > Like a Cisco router witho

Re: Avionics and amazing gear made by Tatjana (was Re: Data General Nova Star Trek Rockwell Collins vs. Vaisala SPT11A)

> On Apr 27, 2016, at 12:49 AM, Jon Elson wrote: > > On 04/26/2016 09:47 PM, William Donzelli wrote: >>> What was the highest level of integration in a single envelope? >> Perhaps Selectrons. >> >> > There were also "Compactrons", 12-pin tubes kind of extending the 7- and > 9-pin submini tube

Re: Digital (Was RE: Mac "Workgroup Server" (or "network server") hardware & AIX)

> On Apr 27, 2016, at 3:47 AM, Dave Wade wrote: > ... > Digital is now a fond memory for most. Both VAX and Alpha are no longer > manufactured. > > I actually wonder if an FPGA VAX chip could be made that would run faster > than existing real VAXEN. That could perhaps form the basis of a nice

RE: Avionics and amazing gear made by Tatjana (was Re: Data General Nova Star Trek Rockwell Collins vs. Vaisala SPT11A)

> European tubes are easy to evaluate in that respect because the letter codes > designate what's inside. I remember the EABC80 (not sure that's the correct EABC80 _is_ the correct number. It is a triple diode triode. The number decodes as follows : E : 6.3V heater A : diode B : double diode

Re: Digital VAX, Alpha (Was RE: Mac "Workgroup Server" ...

Zitat von Paul Koning : On Apr 27, 2016, at 3:47 AM, Dave Wade wrote: ... Digital is now a fond memory for most. Both VAX and Alpha are no longer manufactured. I actually wonder if an FPGA VAX chip could be made that would run faster than existing real VAXEN. That could perhaps form t

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

{Several replies packaged together to minimize list bandwidth use..} > From: John Willis > the real promise of the Internet as envisioned by Cerf, Postel, et. al. > was in the purity of the end-to-end networking connectivity, where your > personal machine is a node equal in statur

RE: Very sad message: the passing of Jon Johnston

Rik wrote... -- This morning I got the sad message of the passing of Jon Johnston the curator of the HP Museum website www.hpmusem.net. -- Yes, I got the same email a few minutes ago. Very sad. I just had an email from him a couple weeks ago, I was preparing to send him some manuals for the

Re: Very sad message: the passing of Jon Johnston

> -- > This morning I got the sad message of the passing of Jon Johnston the > curator of the HP Museum website www.hpmuseum.net. > -- > > The website is a/the major resource for vintage HP folks, I'm hoping > arrangements are in place to ensure it continues. If not, classiccmp.org > stan

RE: AlphaStation 200 NVRAM Problem

On Tue, 26 Apr 2016, Robert Jarratt wrote: > I examined the bank 8 configuration register contents using the console. It > contained 0x0136, which suggests the cache is not valid. The base address > register contained 0x4000. Both correct: * 0x4000 << (23 - 5) => 0x1 * 0x0136: s8_Che

Re: MEM11A status update

Guy, I am ultimately interested in your UMF11. Will the MEM11A have any potential for expandability? Is there a perf area on the board? Any expansion connectors? Can it be re-programmed by the end user (will source be available)? Best, Tom Uban On 4/26/16 4:52 PM, Guy Sotomayor wrote: > Just to

Re: Mac "Workgroup Server" (or "network server") hardware & AIX

On Tue, 26 Apr 2016, Zane Healy wrote: > Don?t fret, once OpenVMS v9.0 is released, on x86-64, there won?t be any > doubt as to who won. :-) :-) Well, in the spirit of further non-participation let me (a die hard unix zealot) say that I can't wait to see VMS ported to x86-64. I think VMS is co

Re: History [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, Mouse wrote: > [...] That everything is now CIDR blocks is another loss; I am not fond > of the desupporting of noncontiguous subnet masks, even though I can > understand it [...] Heh, I'm guessing you've been doing something like that for a very long time. I remember "Der

RE: Very sad message: the passing of Jon Johnston

> > I did not know Jon, but wow, what an incredible resource he built for vintage > HP computer enthusiasts. It would be a big loss to see it go away. I had never met Jon, but I think it is obvious from the contents of his site that we corresponded a few times. He was a great man and will be s

Re: Digital VAX, Alpha (Was RE: Mac "Workgroup Server" ...

> On Apr 27, 2016, at 9:07 AM, e...@e-bbes.com wrote: > > Zitat von Paul Koning : > >> >>> On Apr 27, 2016, at 3:47 AM, Dave Wade wrote: >>> ... >>> Digital is now a fond memory for most. Both VAX and Alpha are no longer >>> manufactured. >>> >>> I actually wonder if an FPGA VAX chip could

Re: Digital VAX, Alpha (Was RE: Mac "Workgroup Server" ...

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, e...@e-bbes.com wrote: > > For that matter, by the same reasoning it should be doable (and quite > > possibly easier) to build an FPGA Alpha. Is the Alpha architecture manual > > ("SRM") online? > Is there any demand for it, besides of being fun? I would assert that there m

Re: Digital VAX, Alpha (Was RE: Mac "Workgroup Server" ...

> On Apr 27, 2016, at 11:34 AM, Swift Griggs wrote: > > ... If it > would all fit in 1U, then so much the better. Ideal would be if it could fit in this: https://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-69215/l/fpga-development-board-cape-for-the-beaglebone paul

Re: History [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]

>> [...] That everything is now CIDR blocks is another loss; I am not >> fond of the desupporting of noncontiguous subnet masks, even though >> I can understand it [...] > Heh, I'm guessing you've been doing something like that for a very > long time. Well, I was doing it a long time ago; I stoppe

Re: Mac "Workgroup Server" (or "network server") hardware & AIX

> On Apr 27, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Swift Griggs wrote: > > On Tue, 26 Apr 2016, Zane Healy wrote: >> Don?t fret, once OpenVMS v9.0 is released, on x86-64, there won?t be any >> doubt as to who won. :-) > > :-) Well, in the spirit of further non-participation let me (a die hard > unix zealot) say

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

On 4/26/2016 11:23 PM, Erik Baigar wrote: Well - "are out there" I agree, but do you know of any PRIVATELY owned and ALIVE machines? There is lot of PDP* discussion here, but it is very hard to get in touch with people being working on Rolm stuff. Of course: In contrast to a non-working PDP8 (w

Re: History [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, Mouse wrote: > Well, I think "Sun god" is a significant overstatement, and I'm pretty > sure I never capitalized the "der", but yes, that was me. It's not an overstatement to me, sir. You would probably be very surprised if you knew how many fixes you've helped me out of. I

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

On 26 April 2016 at 16:41, Liam Proven wrote: > Swift, you have provided a superb example of this mockery. And now > you've been called on it, you are, in natural human fashion, lashing > out in return. > > It's natural, it's human, and it's exactly why we have the stinking > pile of crap that we

Re: The Ivory Tower saga was Re: strangest systems I've sent email

It was thus said that the Great Mouse once stated: > > Take also, for example, Lisp. I've used Lisp. I even wrote a Lisp > engine. I love the language, even though I almost never use it. But > some of the mental patterns it has given me inform much of the code I > write regardless of language.

Re: History [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]

It was thus said that the Great Mouse once stated: > > And I spend over $80/month for DSL to a provider that gives me a /29 > and a /60 from globally routed space. (That everything is now CIDR > blocks is another loss; I am not fond of the desupporting of > noncontiguous subnet masks, even though

Re: History [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]

It was thus said that the Great Mouse once stated: > > > What I've often wondered is why there are so many IT people with the > > same sort of laments and we haven't all collectively built our own > > networks over wireless ? > > The crazy patchwork quilt of regulations applying to amateur use of

Re: History [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]

> On Apr 27, 2016, at 1:00 PM, Sean Conner wrote: > > It was thus said that the Great Mouse once stated: >> >> And I spend over $80/month for DSL to a provider that gives me a /29 >> and a /60 from globally routed space. (That everything is now CIDR >> blocks is another loss; I am not fond of

Re: Mac "Workgroup Server" (or "network server") hardware & AIX

It was thus said that the Great Swift Griggs once stated: > > Oh, and while I?m at it, both vi and emacs suck. Give me TPU! :-) > > Heh, I'm one of the few Unix guys that might be inclined to agree. I can > use both. However, I got used to Wordstar, then the IDE in Borland > products (which is

Re: History [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, Sean Conner wrote: > One benefit of contiguous subnet masks is that it makes routing faster. > It's still a linear search, but it's based on the average length of the > netmask instead of the total number of entries. That sounds similar to the idea of route summarization. Wi

Re: History [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, Sean Conner wrote: It was thus said that the Great Mouse once stated: What I've often wondered is why there are so many IT people with the same sort of laments and we haven't all collectively built our own networks over wireless ? The crazy patchwork quilt of regulation

Re: Very sad message: the passing of Jon Johnston

Oh, what a terrible news. His website is such a tremendous resource for HP collectors. Researched, organized, encyclopedic. I don’t know how many times I used it just to get accurate history and technical information on what I was acquiring, and then for the ensuing restorations. And he linked b

Re: PAL on CDU-700 / 710 Unibus disk controllers

It is most certainly PLS On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Glen Slick wrote: > On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Ian Finder wrote: > > The spec sheet from the PAL mfg. (signetics PLS173) seems to indicate > > security fuses aren't an option on the model on my board. I have not > > actually tried

Re: PAL on CDU-700 / 710 Unibus disk controllers

On Apr 27, 2016 10:19 AM, "Ian Finder" wrote: > > It is most certainly PLS > Interesting. Then we should definitely try reading it and if we can we should be able to turn the fuse map back into the logic equations. A PLS173 is a fairly straightforward device.

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

On Wed, 4/27/16, Liam Proven wrote: > ... with a few weirdos saying that 6809 was better than > ... and a few weirdos maintained that Forth was better. > ... while the weirdoes use FreeBSD. I've never been more proud to be classified as a weirdo :) > The efforts to fix and improve Unix -- Plan 9

Re: The Ivory Tower saga was Re: strangest systems I've sent email

On Wed, 4/27/16, Sean Conner wrote: > > The bracketed note in the second paragraph of content on > > http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/personality.html is exactly the sort of > > thing I'm talking about here; ESR taught himself TeX by the simple > > expedient of reading the TeXBook. > >   You mean

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, Bob Rosenbloom wrote: On 4/26/2016 11:23 PM, Erik Baigar wrote: Well - "are out there" I agree, but do you know of any PRIVATELY owned and ALIVE machines? There is lot of PDP* discussion here, but it is very hard to get in touch with people being working on Rolm stuff. Of

Re: Digital (Was RE: Mac "Workgroup Server" (or "network server") hardware & AIX)

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, Dave Wade wrote: Don’t fret, once OpenVMS v9.0 is released, on x86-64, there won’t be any doubt as to who won. :-) Sadly, no one won. I doubt any one (well perhaps not anyone) would consider OpenVMS for a new deployment. Upgrading existing environments, yes, but a n

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

Nice! Marc I have my Rolm 1603 working. No peripherals hooked to it, but you can toggle in stuff from the front panel. http://dvq.com/oldcomp/photos2/1k/rolm1603_f.jpg Bob

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, Liam Proven wrote: > I wish to apologise for this. It was unjustified and unfair, and > unjustly ad-hom as well. Well, that's mighty big of you Liam. You are clearly a brilliant guy with a storied career and bristling with skills I only wish I had. As I read through your po

Re: Digital VAX, Alpha (Was RE: Mac "Workgroup Server" ...

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, Swift Griggs wrote: 3. I know for a fact the US government and a few other folks are pretty well stuck with using Alphas for "certain" things. If the vendor was OK'd by the gubment, there might be some money to be made there, too. That is interesting. So does Rayth

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

> From: Liam Proven > There's the not-remotely-safe kinda-sorta C in a web browser, > Javascript. Love the rant, which I mostly agree with (_especially_ that one). A couple of comments: > So they still have C like holes and there are frequent patches and > updates to try to m

Re: Digital VAX, Alpha (Was RE: Mac "Workgroup Server" ...

On 4/27/2016 7:07 AM, e...@e-bbes.com wrote: For that matter, by the same reasoning it should be doable (and quite possibly easier) to build an FPGA Alpha. Is the Alpha architecture manual ("SRM") online? Is there any demand for it, besides of being fun? 1st build a front pannel, then wor

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

> On Apr 27, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > ... > It's not clear to me that a 'better language' is going to get rid of that, > because there will always be bugs (and the bigger the application, and the > more it gets changed, the more there will be). The vibe I get from my > knowledge

Re: Very sad message: the passing of Jon Johnston

Jon was always helpful always cheerful and never snarky this issad very sad indeed we have lost an ally. Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC In a message dated 4/27/2016 10:09:08 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, curiousma...@gmail.com writes: Oh, what a terrible news. His website is s

RE: AlphaStation 200 NVRAM Problem

On Tue, 26 Apr 2016, Swift Griggs wrote: > Also, I still deal with a lot of business clients running alphas and > Tru64. There is a guy in Thornton, Colorado who I get quite a few dead, > spare, and orphaned alphas from. It's an electronics supply type business. > I'll see him this weekend and

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Curious Marc wrote: > Nice! > Marc > > I have my Rolm 1603 working. No peripherals hooked to it, but you can > toggle in stuff from the front panel. > http://dvq.com/oldcomp/photos2/1k/rolm1603_f.jpg > > Bob > > > I have a sales / tech details guide 1970 Rolm 160

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

> > >> I have a sales / tech details guide 1970 Rolm 1601 "ReggedNova" base > system, option cards, instructions, etc. > -- > > > > Sorry I mean "RuggedNova"

RE: AlphaStation 200 NVRAM Problem

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: > Does he get any mechanical parts as well by any chance? I'll ask, Mighty Maciej. I have a couple of other vendors, too (partners with my $job). I'll forward your message to them. They are guys with service companies who fix the Alphas and IBM Powe

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great Liam Proven once stated: > On 26 April 2016 at 16:41, Liam Proven wrote: > > When I was playing with home micros (mainly Sinclair and Amstrad; the > American stuff was just too expensive for Brits in the early-to-mid > 1980s), the culture was that Real Men programm

RE: AlphaStation 200 NVRAM Problem

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: > I've been looking for a... screw, DEC P/N 12-32249-01. Of course my > DEC 3000 can live without a screw, however some are still around I > suppose, perhaps in unusable remains heading for the scrapper, so why > not save one and have my box fully

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great Noel Chiappa once stated: > > From: Liam Proven > > > There's the not-remotely-safe kinda-sorta C in a web browser, > > Javascript. > > Love the rant, which I mostly agree with (_especially_ that one). A couple of > comments: > > > So they still ha

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, Sean Conner wrote: Smalltalk has other issues. In the 80s, there were not many machines capable of running Smalltalk (I'm not aware of any implementation on micros, serious or not) Apple Lisa. Don't know whether it ever went to market.

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

I've got a set of floppy images of Smalltalk that worked fine on early Macintosh machines - I'm not sure what the oldest one would've been, but I only had Macintosh 512 and Macintosh Plus systems at the time; I seem to recall that it was available as a developer floppy. It had an Apple label. (

RE: AlphaStation 200 NVRAM Problem

Brief replies as I am away for a few days now. I was able to write the LEDs ok and read the nvram. I was also able to do tests on the nvram writing all zeroes all ones sliding zeroes and sliding ones. All tests passes. Now just need to compare my DROM with a known good one Sent from my Windows

Re: PAL on CDU-700 / 710 Unibus disk controllers

It's the useless tape controller chip variant, but still worth dumping for reference? On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Glen Slick wrote: > On Apr 27, 2016 10:19 AM, "Ian Finder" wrote: > > > > It is most certainly PLS > > > > Interesting. Then we should definitely try reading it and if we can

Re: History [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]

> > >> What IS known as FidoNet (1:138/142 here. :) ) and it's still a political > shit-show, mostly due to people from Zone 2. *sigh* > > Why, hello, 1:138/142! 1:305/1 here!

Re: PAL on CDU-700 / 710 Unibus disk controllers

On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Ian Finder wrote: > It's the useless tape controller chip variant, but still worth dumping for > reference? > I wouldn't say a SCSI tape controller is useless, always fun for installing software from tape just for the heck of it. But that's beside the point for no

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

> From: Paul Koning > while Unix is reasonably secure, application writers have managed to > create massive numbers of security holes that have nothing to do with > defects of the OS, and aren't cured by a better OS. On a secure system (i.e. OS plus underlying hardware), _nothing_

Abstraction levels and tool evolution, versus bugs - Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

On 2016-04-27 2:50 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > From: Liam Proven > There's the not-remotely-safe kinda-sorta C in a web browser, > Javascript. Love the rant, which I mostly agree with (_especially_ that one). A couple of comments: > So they still have C like holes and there are f

Re: High performance coprocessor boards of the 80s and 90s - was Re: SGI ONYX

On 04/26/2016 01:33 PM, Guy Dawson wrote: I bought a 32016 Cambridge Coprocessor back in the day. It's in my loft. Oh, so it was you! ;-) I'll try and file that away in my brain so I remember it in future... do you happen to remember how much it cost? (And were they advertized for sale some

Re: Abstraction levels and tool evolution, versus bugs - Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, Toby Thain wrote: > Modern languages can indeed wipe out large classes of bugs (including > many of those that lead to vulnerabilities). But *every* advance in > abstraction does. While I follow your thesis here, I would also point out that the reason that a lot of C progra

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

On 27/04/2016 21:25, Fred Cisin wrote: On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, Sean Conner wrote: Smalltalk has other issues. In the 80s, there were not many machines capable of running Smalltalk (I'm not aware of any implementation on micros, serious or not) Apple Lisa. Don't know whether it ever went to mar

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

> On Apr 27, 2016, at 5:58 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > >> From: Paul Koning > >> while Unix is reasonably secure, application writers have managed to >> create massive numbers of security holes that have nothing to do with >> defects of the OS, and aren't cured by a better OS. > > On a secure sy

Re: Abstraction levels and tool evolution, versus bugs - Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

> On Apr 27, 2016, at 6:14 PM, Toby Thain wrote: > > Modern languages can indeed wipe out large classes of bugs (including many of > those that lead to vulnerabilities). But *every* advance in abstraction does. > > I like Professor Benjamin Pierce's way of putting it: "Mechanical checks of >

Re: History [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, John Willis wrote: What IS known as FidoNet (1:138/142 here. :) ) and it's still a political shit-show, mostly due to people from Zone 2. *sigh* Why, hello, 1:138/142! 1:305/1 here! #fidobros! *laughs uproariously* g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f1

Re: Digital (Was RE: Mac "Workgroup Server" (or "network server") hardware & AIX)

On 04/27/2016 01:07 PM, Sean Caron wrote: I actually wonder if an FPGA VAX chip could be made that would run faster than existing real VAXEN. Sure. A VAX 11/780 had a 5 MHz clock! Would be hard for an emulator to NOT beat that! Later models did run faster, but not vastly faster, due to t

Re: Digital (Was RE: Mac "Workgroup Server" (or "network server") hardware & AIX)

On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 7:09 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > Sure. A VAX 11/780 had a 5 MHz clock! Would be hard for an emulator to NOT > beat that! Later models did run faster, but not vastly faster, due to the > technology of the time. I'm not sure what would qualify as "vastly faster", but I take it

REMEX paper tape interfaces

A few list members wanted me to hold on to some boards until they were ready for them. While looking for then, among hundreds of other non DEC boards, I came across the following REMEX boards. As far as I can tell they are for 8s. Please contact me off list if you are interested. REMEX 109381,

It has been quiet.

Has the list gone down or just dropped me again?

RE: It has been quiet.

Lots of list traffic definitely not down.

Re: Digital (Was RE: Mac "Workgroup Server" (or "network server") hardware & AIX)

On 04/27/2016 09:34 PM, Eric Smith wrote: On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 7:09 PM, Jon Elson wrote: Sure. A VAX 11/780 had a 5 MHz clock! Would be hard for an emulator to NOT beat that! Later models did run faster, but not vastly faster, due to the technology of the time. I'm not sure what would qu

Re: Very sad message: the passing of Jon Johnston

On 4/27/16 6:26 AM, Jay West wrote: > Yes, I got the same email a few minutes ago. Very sad. I just had an email > from him a couple weeks ago, I was preparing to send him some manuals for > the museum. > > This is horrible news. The last project we worked on was my recovery of a bunch of HP3

smalltalk and lisp (was: strangest systems I've sent email from)

Sean Conner wrote:on Wed, 27 Apr 2016 16:13:07 -0400 > The 6908 *is* better than either the Z80 or the 6502 (yes, I'm one of > *those* 8-) To be fair, the Z80 and 6502 had to compete against the 8080 while the 6809 came out after the 8086 and 68000. > Citation needed. C derivatives? The onl

Re: It has been quiet.

indeed lots of talk On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 10:00 PM, Jay West wrote: > Lots of list traffic definitely not down. > > >

Re: It has been quiet.

Aye, plenty of blather... err.. volume here, as well. ;-) On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 10:00 PM, Jay West wrote: > Lots of list traffic definitely not down. > > >

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

> On 27 Apr 2016, at 22:13 , Sean Conner wrote: > > COBRA was dead by the mid-90s and had nothing (that I know of) to do with > Linux. And the lumbering GUI apps, RPC, etc that you are complaining about > is the userland stuff---nothing to do with the Linux kernel (okay, perhaps > I'm nitpicki

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, Bob Rosenbloom wrote: I have my Rolm 1603 working. No peripherals hooked to it, but you can toggle in stuff from the front panel. http://dvq.com/oldcomp/photos2/1k/rolm1603_f.jpg Very cool, Bob - we have been in touch seom years ago and great, that your machine is still

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, Sean Caron wrote: I don't have any ROLM computers (not that I wouldn't love one) but I am proud to say that I have a complete ROLM SCBX 8000. I've tried to take some pictures and compile some information on my personal site: http://wildflower.diablonet.net/~scaron/rolmfi

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Curious Marc I have a sales / tech details guide 1970 Rolm 1601 "ReggedNova" base system, option cards, instructions, etc. Hi Marc, do you have got this in digital form? It would be interesting to see the difference between 1601 and the later ones. I can o

Re: Data General Nova Star Trek (Vulcan Avionics)

On Tue, 26 Apr 2016, Jon Elson wrote: the complete electronics suite from a Vulcan bomber! The Rochester Avionics Archives are digitizing company videos from wha

Re: It has been quiet.

nope it is working In a message dated 4/27/2016 10:48:48 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, dkel...@hotmail.com writes: Has the list gone down or just dropped me again?

Re: Very sad message: the passing of Jon Johnston

That is sad news :( I've had good use of his work. /Pontus. On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 11:48:46AM +0200, Rik Bos wrote: > This morning I got the sad message of the passing of Jon Johnston the > curator of the HP Museum website www.hpmusem.net. > > More info at : >