VCF Midwest 14 Wrap-Up
Hello all - VCFMW14 has come and gone and we're left with lots of photo galleries, a few videos and hopefully fond memories for all. It was a new venue this year and an unprecedented (and unexpected - seriously we filled the place) turnout. Wheels are in motion toward doing it again next year but for now we're just going to rest a little first. Here's a link to all of the known-thus-far pics and vids: http://vcfmw.org/past.html The videos of the actual VCFMW Talks are being scrupulously compiled and encoded and another announcement will go out soon when they're ready. For now, check out the cool setup time-lapse and visitor review videos at the link above. It's looking like we're going to do a reprint run of this year's official shirt because so many were unable to purchase one at the show (see the bit above about unexpected turnout). Maybe you'd like one, too. There's a size survey form in our latest mailing list message here: https://us18.admin.mailchimp.com/campaigns/show?id=389367 And finally a big THANK YOU to all who donated, displayed, volunteered and attended in order to make VCF Midwest the most enjoyable and exhausting weekend of the year for us. -j
Re: HP vintage boards being sold as scrap
On 9/27/2019 4:34 AM, Paul Birkel via cctalk wrote:
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jay Jaeger
> via cctalk
> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 6:40 PM
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: HP vintage boards being sold as scrap
>
> ...
>> There is a stack of IO interface boards, including HSTs, for the HP
>> 2100/1000 series there.
>>
>> Lower-right stack in this pic, 7 boards, boards have one red and one grey
>> handle:
>> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/n08AAOSwjY5dg5Kd/s-l1600.jpg
>>
>> "HS Terminal" is discernible on one of them, and the one on top looks to be
>> an HS Terminal as well.
>> Can't be certain about the others but they have the same size IO connector,
>> they may all be HSTs.
>>
>> HSTs are the basic RS232 & current loop, async serial-line interface boards,
>> 12531D, used for the console and such in the 2100/1000 series,
>> going back to the early machines of the series.
>>
>> (HS is 'High-Speed', but that's relative to the late-60s, billed for up to
>> 2400bps, but it is possible to operate them at higher speeds).
>>
>> I'd buy one for, say 60$, if someone picks up the bunch and wants to flog
>> one.
>>
>>
>
> I would be in that same camp, assuming one of these would also work in a
> 2112B ("M Series") machine.
>
> JRJ
>
> -
>
> They are readily available, individually, on eBay. See "HP12531".
> There are currently two listed at reasonable prices, plus reasonable shipping.
>
> For reference, this: http://www.hpmuseum.net/document.php?catfile=236
>
> You probably want the HP 12531D. Both of the current eBay listings are the
> "D".
>
> I believe that the HP 12531C is what is visible on
> http://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?hw=111
>
> paul
>
>
Thanks for the tip. (Part of not recognizing that is that I had never
made the connection between the 2108B/2112B and the "1000" series
before, until I read about it in this thread, and did some poking
around. The HP's have not been one of my priorities in over a couple of
decades, and most of of that focus was on my older HP2114B.)
JRJ
Re: HP vintage boards being sold as scrap
At 05:42 PM 27/09/2019 -0700, you wrote: >On Sep 26, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Patrick Finnegan via cctalk > wrote: >> >> 3. Just because you have different opinions doesn't mean their ways are >> wrong. Hell, they even seem to be willing to work with people interested in >> single boards. I'm sure they're putting "GOLD!!!" in the title for >> advertising's sake. It seems to have worked just fine for advertising here >> .. >> >> 4. Maybe just quit whining? If you can't get what you want where you are, >> to quote the immortal words of Dave McGuire, "Time to move!â > > >Destroying something thatâs useful in the name of a quick buck is wrong. > > -- Chris Thanks Cris. This is my view too, but I didn't want to get into _another_ argument about that. I've been browsing that seller's other listings. I can see where they are coming from. They are a very high volume surplus electronics seller. Quite a bit overpriced on many items but there are some nice deals. I think they just don't have time to give much attention to individual items. Which is unfortunate for interested parties. Like in this "90 lbs PCBs" instance. Here are some other vintage computing items of interest from that seller: 183963257634 Lot x22 NEW Vintage HP 46021A HP-HIL Terminal Keyboards Don't Include HIL Cables OH MY GOSH! It took me forever just to find one HP-HIL keyboard recently. But offering these vintage NOS keyboards as a lot of 22... that's a bit sad. Seller must be short of storage space. 174036823643 Lot x50 Vintage HP 82936A 80 Series 85A 85B 86A 86B ROM Drawer Holder No ROMs 183875053275 Vintage HP 12005-60010 Asynchronous Serial Interface Board 1000 Series Computer Back to the stack of circuit boards: The original bidder's offer is something higher than $150, so Cindy's bid got auto-bid beaten. Looking at that original bidder's ebay buying history, they're apparently a scrap gold buyer. At their activity rate, they've probably built up their rating of 394 fairly quickly. They don't snipe bid, and they do engage in bidding competitions. Ergo, that bidder is an idiot (or has money to burn), and also may still have an unrealistic expectation of the overall economics of gold recovery. Probably best to give up. Also since we've expressed interest to the seller, and piled on eleven watchers, the chances of the seller now fake bidding the price up are significant. Guy
Re: HP vintage boards being sold as scrap
On Sep 26, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Patrick Finnegan via cctalk wrote: > > 3. Just because you have different opinions doesn't mean their ways are > wrong. Hell, they even seem to be willing to work with people interested in > single boards. I'm sure they're putting "GOLD!!!" in the title for > advertising's sake. It seems to have worked just fine for advertising here > .. > > 4. Maybe just quit whining? If you can't get what you want where you are, > to quote the immortal words of Dave McGuire, "Time to move!” Destroying something that’s useful in the name of a quick buck is wrong. -- Chris
Re: Fwd: [TUHS] Recovered!!! The Georgia Tech Software Tools Subystem for Prime Computers
On 9/27/19 5:20 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > Have been on the road, and I just noticed this announcement on the TUHS > list. > I'd been trying to find this for a long time So had I. Glad to see it recovered. I had contacted GIT more than a decade ago and was told all of it had been thrown away long before. Now, if we can find some of the others maybe we can revive the Software Tools User Group. :-) bill > > > Forwarded Message > Subject: [TUHS] Recovered!!! The Georgia Tech Software Tools > Subystem for Prime Computers > Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 22:45:29 +0300 > From: Arnold Robbins > To: t...@tuhs.org > > > > Hello All. > > Believed lost in the mists of time for over 30 years, the Georgia Tech > Software Tools Subsystem for Prime Computers, along with the Georgia Tech > C Compiler for Prime Computers, have been recovered! > > The source code and documentation (and binary files) are available in a > Github repo: https://github.com/arnoldrobbins/gt-swt. > > The README.md there provides some brief history and credits with respect > to the recovery, and w.r.t. the subsystem and C compilers themselves. > > Credit to Scott Lee for making and keeping the tapes and driving the > recovery process, and to Dennis Boone and yours truly for contributing > financially. I set up the repo. > > For anyone who used and/or contributed to this software, we hope you'll > enjoy this trip down memory lane. > > Feel free to forward this note to interested parties. > > Enjoy, > > Arnold Robbins > (On behalf of the swt recovery team. :-)
Re: HP3000/917LX available in Vacaville
This is a *very* nice entry-level HP3000/MPE system based on PA-RISC architecture. But one note - the 917 had the soldered TOD battery on the motherboard, vs. the FRU TOD battery in the later 918. Not a reason to skip if you are interested in this machine. Lee C. On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 3:01 PM Stan Sieler via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Hi, > > A friend tells me that there is a Hewlett-Packard HP3000/917LX available in > Vacaville (no word as to price, but I suspect it's free ... the owner wants > it to go to a good home). Reportedly running, with additional "mini-tower" > (PC size or less) of external disks, a DTC (Distributed Terminal > Controller, lets you have up to 32 RS232 terminals attached (depending upon > model of DTC)), and an external tape drive (probably DDS, but I don't know > for sure). > > If interested, email me at sie...@allegro.com and I'll put you in touch > with > the friend of the Vacaville guy. > > thanks, > > Stan > -- Lee Courtney +1-650-704-3934 cell
HP3000/917LX available in Vacaville
Hi, A friend tells me that there is a Hewlett-Packard HP3000/917LX available in Vacaville (no word as to price, but I suspect it's free ... the owner wants it to go to a good home). Reportedly running, with additional "mini-tower" (PC size or less) of external disks, a DTC (Distributed Terminal Controller, lets you have up to 32 RS232 terminals attached (depending upon model of DTC)), and an external tape drive (probably DDS, but I don't know for sure). If interested, email me at sie...@allegro.com and I'll put you in touch with the friend of the Vacaville guy. thanks, Stan
Re: Update: Received my 50lb Datapoint 2200 computer from Austria via regular post.
Sorry for top-post - it’s the yahoo app. So the purpose of the extra screen layer is to prevent crt implosion? How did you remove it? It’s safe to remove it, as long as I don’t hit the screen with a hammer? Thanks-Steve. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, September 24, 2019, 1:34 AM, jos via cctalk wrote: On 23.09.19 23:36, steven stengel via cctalk wrote: > First, I have to rewire it from 220vac to 110vac. Lucky you, I would have driven over if had known about it ! Only a one-day return trip for me Be carefully : some parts on the big cooling block are directly connected to mains. > Second - what to do about that screen? Repair / clean it of course. This is what I did to my DP1100 : Before : ftp://ftp.dreesen.ch/Datapoint/Pictures/Console/CPU_before.jpg During : ftp://ftp.dreesen.ch/Datapoint/Pictures/Console/Pull_off_remaining_goo.jpg Result : ftp://ftp.dreesen.ch/Datapoint/Pictures/Console/CPU_after.jpg .. and the full machine, in its orginal Datapoint desk : ftp://ftp.dreesen.ch/Datapoint/Pictures/Datapoint_1100.jpg Jos
Fwd: [TUHS] Recovered!!! The Georgia Tech Software Tools Subystem for Prime Computers
Have been on the road, and I just noticed this announcement on the TUHS list. I'd been trying to find this for a long time Forwarded Message Subject: [TUHS] Recovered!!! The Georgia Tech Software Tools Subystem for Prime Computers Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 22:45:29 +0300 From: Arnold Robbins To: t...@tuhs.org Hello All. Believed lost in the mists of time for over 30 years, the Georgia Tech Software Tools Subsystem for Prime Computers, along with the Georgia Tech C Compiler for Prime Computers, have been recovered! The source code and documentation (and binary files) are available in a Github repo: https://github.com/arnoldrobbins/gt-swt. The README.md there provides some brief history and credits with respect to the recovery, and w.r.t. the subsystem and C compilers themselves. Credit to Scott Lee for making and keeping the tapes and driving the recovery process, and to Dennis Boone and yours truly for contributing financially. I set up the repo. For anyone who used and/or contributed to this software, we hope you'll enjoy this trip down memory lane. Feel free to forward this note to interested parties. Enjoy, Arnold Robbins (On behalf of the swt recovery team. :-)
RE: fix? Repair? or leave alone? http://rcade.camden.rutgers.edu/2020symposium.html
Al wrote Welcome to the world of "Digital Humanities" scholarship. Agreed, that link was feel-good gibberish. *facepalm*
Re: fix? Repair? or leave alone? http://rcade.camden.rutgers.edu/2020symposium.html
Welcome to the world of "Digital Humanities" scholarship. On 9/27/19 11:23 AM, allison via cctalk wrote: The scam is eating your time which is worth something with nothing in reward. Lets call it 5 minutes you will never get back. Allison
Re: FTGH: Pioneer DRM-602X 6-CD changer
Hello, I have read your message about pioneer drm-604. I bought one on eBay but the sender didn’t t take out the caddy for shipping and I can t take it out from the player. I would like to know if you could share the service manual or if you have a tuto to diy. Thank you in advance for your help. Regards Frédéric
Re: fix? Repair? or leave alone? http://rcade.camden.rutgers.edu/2020symposium.html
> On Sep 27, 2019, at 11:23 AM, allison via cctalk > wrote: > > This topic has gotten far more words and attention than the poorly > written mental spew that pretends to be intellectual. If I were > grading their work it would be a D- and a fail is less significant. > > The scam is eating your time which is worth something with nothing in > reward. Lets call it 5 minutes you will never get back. > > Allison Thanks Allison, you saved me from being curious! Zane
Re: fix? Repair? or leave alone? http://rcade.camden.rutgers.edu/2020symposium.html
On 9/27/19 2:07 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 9/27/19 9:22 AM, Brent Hilpert via cctalk wrote: >> On 2019-Sep-27, at 6:47 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: >>> I make it a habit to assume that every email which contains just a >>> link but no explanation is a scam with a forged sender address. >>> >>> Ed, if this is actually from you and actually real, and you want >>> people to look at it, you need to say what the link is. >>> On Sep 27, 2019, at 3:10 AM, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: http://rcade.camden.rutgers.edu/2020symposium.html >> >> >> "... explored these processes of repair and has focused on their >> non-linear temporalities." >> >> "Repair does not necessarily focus solely on “the reproduction of >> social and material order,” but also opens up space for the >> “creative, inventive and innovative work that happens in the process >> of fixing, across human and non-human bodies." >> >> "... offering us a way to historicize and contextualize the work of >> repair and maintenance. That means avoiding the romanticization of >> repair while also recognizing “traditions of women's work, domestic >> and reproductive labor, and all acts of preservation, formal and >> informal.”" >> >> >> Don't waste your time, unless you're going for some entertainment in >> watching ridiculous people. > > My reaction also--bunch of word salad devoid of meaningful information > that reads like someone's attempt at a dissertation. > > --Chuck > This topic has gotten far more words and attention than the poorly written mental spew that pretends to be intellectual. If I were grading their work it would be a D- and a fail is less significant. The scam is eating your time which is worth something with nothing in reward. Lets call it 5 minutes you will never get back. Allison
Re: fix? Repair? or leave alone? http://rcade.camden.rutgers.edu/2020symposium.html
On 9/27/19 9:22 AM, Brent Hilpert via cctalk wrote: > On 2019-Sep-27, at 6:47 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: >> I make it a habit to assume that every email which contains just a >> link but no explanation is a scam with a forged sender address. >> >> Ed, if this is actually from you and actually real, and you want >> people to look at it, you need to say what the link is. >> >>> On Sep 27, 2019, at 3:10 AM, ED SHARPE via cctalk >>> wrote: >>> >>> http://rcade.camden.rutgers.edu/2020symposium.html > > > "... explored these processes of repair and has focused on their > non-linear temporalities." > > "Repair does not necessarily focus solely on “the reproduction of > social and material order,” but also opens up space for the > “creative, inventive and innovative work that happens in the process > of fixing, across human and non-human bodies." > > "... offering us a way to historicize and contextualize the work of > repair and maintenance. That means avoiding the romanticization of > repair while also recognizing “traditions of women's work, domestic > and reproductive labor, and all acts of preservation, formal and > informal.”" > > > Don't waste your time, unless you're going for some entertainment in > watching ridiculous people. My reaction also--bunch of word salad devoid of meaningful information that reads like someone's attempt at a dissertation. --Chuck
Re: fix? Repair? or leave alone? http://rcade.camden.rutgers.edu/2020symposium.html
On 2019-Sep-27, at 6:47 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > I make it a habit to assume that every email which contains just a link but > no explanation is a scam with a forged sender address. > > Ed, if this is actually from you and actually real, and you want people to > look at it, you need to say what the link is. > >> On Sep 27, 2019, at 3:10 AM, ED SHARPE via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> http://rcade.camden.rutgers.edu/2020symposium.html "... explored these processes of repair and has focused on their non-linear temporalities." "Repair does not necessarily focus solely on “the reproduction of social and material order,” but also opens up space for the “creative, inventive and innovative work that happens in the process of fixing, across human and non-human bodies." "... offering us a way to historicize and contextualize the work of repair and maintenance. That means avoiding the romanticization of repair while also recognizing “traditions of women's work, domestic and reproductive labor, and all acts of preservation, formal and informal.”" Don't waste your time, unless you're going for some entertainment in watching ridiculous people.
Re: fix? Repair? or leave alone? http://rcade.camden.rutgers.edu/2020symposium.html
I make it a habit to assume that every email which contains just a link but no explanation is a scam with a forged sender address. Ed, if this is actually from you and actually real, and you want people to look at it, you need to say what the link is. paul > On Sep 27, 2019, at 3:10 AM, ED SHARPE via cctalk > wrote: > > http://rcade.camden.rutgers.edu/2020symposium.html >
RE: HP vintage boards being sold as scrap
-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jay Jaeger via
cctalk
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 6:40 PM
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: HP vintage boards being sold as scrap
...
> There is a stack of IO interface boards, including HSTs, for the HP 2100/1000
> series there.
>
> Lower-right stack in this pic, 7 boards, boards have one red and one grey
> handle:
> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/n08AAOSwjY5dg5Kd/s-l1600.jpg
>
> "HS Terminal" is discernible on one of them, and the one on top looks to be
> an HS Terminal as well.
> Can't be certain about the others but they have the same size IO connector,
> they may all be HSTs.
>
> HSTs are the basic RS232 & current loop, async serial-line interface boards,
> 12531D, used for the console and such in the 2100/1000 series,
> going back to the early machines of the series.
>
> (HS is 'High-Speed', but that's relative to the late-60s, billed for up to
> 2400bps, but it is possible to operate them at higher speeds).
>
> I'd buy one for, say 60$, if someone picks up the bunch and wants to flog one.
>
>
I would be in that same camp, assuming one of these would also work in a
2112B ("M Series") machine.
JRJ
-
They are readily available, individually, on eBay. See "HP12531".
There are currently two listed at reasonable prices, plus reasonable shipping.
For reference, this: http://www.hpmuseum.net/document.php?catfile=236
You probably want the HP 12531D. Both of the current eBay listings are the "D".
I believe that the HP 12531C is what is visible on
http://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?hw=111
paul
RE: HP vintage boards being sold as scrap
At 06:08 PM 26/09/2019 -0700, you wrote: >> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Guy >> Dunphy via cctalk >> Incidentally I've identified those boards. The ones with the pull rings: >> >> https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/ZrUAAOSwI5Fdg5KH/$_57.j >> pg >> >> They are 12/13 bit isolated DtoA, either voltage or current out. 44429A or >> 44430A. > >These are the current ones, recognizable by the blue 4 screw posts (the >voltage ones have 8 screw posts). So it would be a pile of 44430A. I have a >working HP 3497, so I could use one or two! >Marc Well, if I were to bid, I'd use my usual snipe service: https://www.bidnapper.com/ But the postage of US$159.91 (to CA) kills it for me. It wouldn't be much less to TX, and anyway I don't think ebay allows to specify some other shipping address. Plus I expect that even if he can be persuaded to pack responsibly, he'll want more money to do so. Cindy: >I have contacted the seller and asked what it would take to get these boards >ESD wrapped and properly packaged to me in TX. We will see if he is >willing... Please let us know if he responds usefully. Btw it's not so much ESD protection needed, more physical padding to avoid the boards grinding against each other in transport. Have you used a snipe bidding service? I recommend it. If you buy them, I'll take all the HP DtoA cards (minus 2 for Marc) and a couple of the HP 1000 serial cards, for US$130. Plus postage from you to CA. Payment by paypal. Does that sound OK to you? Then of course there is the question of what snipe bid would be likely to beat whatever that one existing bid is. I'd be inclined to guess that person has placed a minimal bid. People who bid early typically do that. Guy
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