[cctalk] Re: PDP-11/05 early print set for download
On 3/19/23 11:06 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 3/19/23 07:58, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: Wow, very interesting! I never knew that. (I wonder what the Mazak people call their machines in UK/Europe?) In my experience,"Mitsubishi". --Chuck I believe the parent company is Yamazaki. They use Mitsubishi in their controls. Ed.
Re: DZ11 EIA dist panel on eBait
June 30, 2020 4:58 PM, "Tony Duell" wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 3:17 PM ed--- via cctalk > wrote: > >> June 27, 2020 8:05 PM, "Noel Chiappa via cctalk" >> wrote: >> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/224058116598 >> >> Noel >> >> Looks nice, but the cover, the static filter and the 2 small flatcables with >> twisted wires are >> missing. >> Connecting a DZ11 directly to the pcb with the connectors won't work >> directly as expected. > > Why not? I've linked up DZ11s to the distribution panel PCB with a > straight ribbon cable and had no problems. > > The RFI filters effectively swap odd and even pins in the cable (the > pins are straight through the filter but of course you look at them > from opposite sides). That's why the short ribbon cables between the > filters and the distribution panel are not straight through but have > crossover connections.. But if you remove both the filter and the > crossover cable it will work as you expect. > > -tony Ah, I did not know that, interesting to know. Ed
Re: DZ11 EIA dist panel on eBait
June 27, 2020 8:05 PM, "Noel Chiappa via cctalk" wrote: > https://www.ebay.com/itm/224058116598 > > Noel Looks nice, but the cover, the static filter and the 2 small flatcables with twisted wires are missing. Connecting a DZ11 directly to the pcb with the connectors won't work directly as expected.
sun model 47. code 4/40 does it have the nvram with battery?
we were given this and a hard dribe a floor standimg decwriter. does this use NV ram with dreaded battery? thanks,ed Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
Re: Computing from 1976
so if you bought the altair and put it away you could sort of sell it for the same amount of money-worth today. In a message dated 12/30/2017 5:10:22 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: It was thus said that the Great Fred Cisin via cctalk once stated: > On Sat, 30 Dec 2017, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote: > >I was perusing my old computer magazine collection the other day and > >came across an article entitled: “Fast-Growing new hobby, Real > >Computers you assemble yourself”, Dec. 1976. It was about MITS, > >Sphere, IMSAI and SWT. 4K memory was $500. Yikes! Even more here in > >Canada. Now this is true Classic Computing. Have a Happy New Year > >everyone. May the computing gods shine down on us all in 2018. > >Happy computing. Murray :) > > OK, a little arithmetic exercise for you. > (a 16C is nice for this, but hardly necessary) Sounds like fun. > "Moore's Law", which was a prediction, not a "LAW", has often been > mis-stated as predicting a doubling of speed/capacity every 18 months. > > 1) Figure out how many 18 month invtervals since then, and what 4k > "should' have morphed into by now. 1) 28 doublings since 1975. (2017-1975) * 12 18 4K should (had we truly doubed everything every 18 months) now be 1T (terrabyte): 2^12 = 4K 2^(12+28) 2^40~ 1T > 2) What did Gordon Moore actually say in 1965? That the number of transistors in an integrated circuit double every 18 months. > 3) How much is $500 of 1976 money worth now? It depends upon how you calculate it. I'm using this page [1] for the calculation, and I get: Current data is only available till 2016. In 2016, the relative price worth of $500.00 from 1976 is: $2,110.00 using the Consumer Price Index $1,680.00 using the GDP deflator $2,400.00 using the value of consumer bundle $2,000.00 using the unskilled wage $2,450.00 using the Production Worker Compensation $3,340.00 using the nominal GDP per capita $4,960.00 using the relative share of GDP > 4) Consider how long it took to use a text editor to make a grocery > shopping list in 1976. How long does it take today? I would think the same amount of time. Typing is typing. > Does having the grocery list consist of pictures instead of words, with > audio commentary, and maybe Smell-O-Vision (coming soon), improve the > quality of life? For me, not really. > How much does it help to be able to contact your > refrigeratior and query its knowledge of its contents? It could be helpful, but with the current state of IoT, I would not want to have that ability. > (Keep in mind, that although hardware expanded exponentially, according to > Moore's Law, Software follows a corollary of Boyle's Law, and expands to > fill the available space and use all of the available resources - how much > can "modern" software do in 4K?, and how much is needed to boot the > computer and run a "modern" text editor?) EMACS is lean and mean compared to some of the "text editors" coming out today, based upon Javascript frameworks. It's scary. > 5) What percentage of computer users still build from kits, or from > scratch? I would say significantly less than 1%. Say, 5% of 1%? That's probably in the right ballpark. > 6) What has replaced magazines for keeping in touch with the current > state of computers? The world wide web, although I do miss the Byte magazine of the 70s and 80s. Not so much the 90s. -spc (Yeah, I realize these were probably rhetorical in nature ... ) [1] http://www.measuringworth.com/uscompare/
Re: Computing from 1976
Thanks for the heads up on this S-100 site! PdP-11 on a s-100 bus even.. Ed# In a message dated 12/30/2017 5:01:26 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: A good site for what was in the 1975-1980 era. http://www.s100computers.com/index.html
Re: Lisa Source Code
pretty neat... what format material was it stored on!? Ed# In a message dated 12/27/2017 6:03:28 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: Hi, I don’t know if I missed the announcement on this list but I just saw this article: https://9to5mac.com/2017/12/27/apple-lisa-source-code-to-be-released/ It features quotes from our own Al Kassow. ;-) Way to go Al!!! TTFN - Guy
TI 99/4a It Lives! but extended basic? acts bizzare...Help?
TI 99/4a It Lives! but extended basic? acts bizarre... Great got the video cable 5 bucks from the UK - -SOLVED! Works and fires up with out the extended basic plugged in but when I pluged it in and selected the option for extended basic at book up just hangs no prompt on screen etc. I have the screed that TI had that was more of an industrial display rather than the screen that was converted TV that may have been earlier.. Heavy little monitor! It has a strong mesh looking internal mask on the screen compared to modern color CRTS/ We also have a Epson looking printer with TI logo to pair up The goal of course is to set up as a display at SMECC Museum with some of the other micros where it can be demo'ed I have the speech module too but have no idea what to do with that. Have a disc with cable but need some sort of an expansion to plug it in. The adventure continues... as always drop any ideas hits etc to us/// Learning as we go As I never used or sold any of these when in the biz back then! Ed Sharpe Archivist for SMECC _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)
Re: Vidar large format scanner available
opps yepper large... a pity not close.. Ed In a message dated 12/3/2017 5:44:03 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: 36". It is NOT a flatbed. On Sun, 3 Dec 2017, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote: > how large is it? thx ed# > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > On Sunday, December 3, 2017 Bob Rosenbloom via cctalk wrote: > I have a Vidar P-62 large format scanner available to anyone willing to > come pick it up. > > It has a SCSI interface. Drivers for Windows XP are available on the > web, don't know about newer Windows > or other operating systems. Also, it's completely untested, I have > nothing that's has a SCSI interface. > > Located in Santa Cruz, CA > > Some photos here: http://anifur.com/clist/ > > Bob > > -- > Vintage computers and electronics > www.dvq.com > www.tekmuseum.com > www.decmuseum.org > -- Fred Cisin ci...@xenosoft.com XenoSoft http://www.xenosoft.com PO Box 1236 (510) 234-3397 Berkeley, CA 94701-1236
Re: FTGH: Old ham radio headset
A ww 2 style headset! Ed# In a message dated 12/3/2017 9:59:01 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:
Re: what is this NCR modem? what did it go to?
OK! Shades of the crown answering machine we have in the museum with the handset lifter! Yea the price is defiantly a barrier on this except for Paul Allen I suppose. Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 11/27/2017 12:16:16 P.M. US Mountain Standard Tim, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: couryho...@aol.com wrote: > what is this NCR modem? what did it go to? > > NEW Vintage 1971 NCR Acoustic Coupler Modem, NOS, Factory Boxed, C260-400 > / F01 132411929563 on the bay It is a Bell 103A compatible modem (110 or 300 baud) used with the NCR 260 series of thermal printing terminals. The 260 came in several variants: -1 (receive only), -2 (keyboard send/receive), -6 (Automatic (cassette tape) send/receive). I worked with them at NCR in 1973 and 74. I still have the manuals, and just a few days ago scanned them for Bitsavers. If you need a copy I can send you the raw TIFF files (one per page). Both the -400 and -500 were EIA I/O to the terminal. The C260-400 connected to a Bell System DAA (Data Access Arrangement), while the C260-500 was an acoustic coupler. The acoustic coupler had a solenoid that would would automatically raise and lower the handset on the telephone! Back in those days you could not connect anything directly to the telephone lines -- you had to use the telco-supplied DAA (kaching!) or an acoustic coupler. I don't know if this modem can be connected directly to a phone line without a DAA. I think the asking price is totally unrealistic unless you are a rabid collector of NCR gear. Alan Frisbie
Re: what is this NCR modem? what did it go to?
thanks for dates. yes that all makes sense. some how my mind slipped a decade. I a looking for a GE Diginet tdm-114 acoustic coupler. 2 reasons, GE computer related but also my first acoustic coupler I had with an ASR-35 teletype I am also looking for the top mental plate that covers an ASR-35 punch also. ( drop me a line off list if you have either you want to sell/trade/?) thanks ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 11/26/2017 3:38:36 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017, couryho...@aol.com wrote: > does the 71 sate seem early? No, a 1971 date does not seem too early. The price seems steep, even for a "relatively" early modem. Bell 103 (300bps) dates from 1962. The Bell 101 (110 baud) was 1958. SCROTUS "Carterfone" was 1968 (ruling permitting direct connect) Bell 212A (1200bps) came out in 1976. The Livermore Data Systems modems that I sold off were from about 1964? 1970-1972, when I was working at Goddard Space Flight Center (Bldg 26, "National Space Sciences Data Center"), we used a time-sharing system for APL. APL type ball on Selectric terminal. Yes, 1971 is prior to most mass-marketed "personal computers" (1978?: Apple, PET, TRS80). But there were teminals.
Re: what is this NCR modem? what did it go to?
does the 71 sate seem early? In a message dated 11/26/2017 2:38:17 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: The NCR 260 (first part of the part number) was a KSR portable thermal printing terminal. Somewhat similar to the Silent 700. But, the NCR 260 had an integrated modem with acoustic coupler
what is this NCR modem? what did it go to?
what is this NCR modem? what did it go to? NEW Vintage 1971 NCR Acoustic Coupler Modem, NOS, Factory Boxed, C260-400 / F01 132411929563 on the bay not mine etc etc etc ed#
Re: WTB: HP-85 16k RAM Module and HPIB Floppy Drive
PRM-85 ? cost? If I end up getting fascinated with the *% I may want to get one too.. First, I need to get it out and open and see what is all with it.. In a message dated 11/15/2017 5:45:42 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: It'd be interesting to find out how well that PRM-85 works. I've laid out a board for a rough equivalent but I haven't fabbed it out. It may be cheaper for me to buy that instead. I've also got a 9122C but I don't have the mass storage ROM so I can't use it with my 85. Right now I'm using it with my 9000 series 300. On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 8:26 PM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > On Nov 14, 2017, at 20:11, Ed Sharpe via cctalk > wrote: > > > > wondervifcthec9122 drives,will work on 85? > > > > I think I can guess what you meant to say there... :) > > I’ve ordered a PRM-85 (a modern reprogrammable ROM drawer replacement) > which includes the HP-85B version of the Mass Storage ROM, and the Extended > Mass Storage ROM. Based on what I have read, I think that should let my A > model use the newer 9122C drive, and other drives using either the Amigo or > SS-80 protocols. > > I’d like to get the 9122C mostly because I have a much easier time finding > 1.44M media than the older double density media. eBay and I don’t talk, so > that limits my options a bit. If I had easy access to lots of 3.5” DD > media, then I would consider getting one of the more plentiful (?) other > 3.5” HPIB floppy drives. >
Re: Playing with HP2640B
is there a dif between 40 a and 40 b with the firmware/loader/etc? Ed# In a message dated 11/15/2017 12:48:24 P.M. US Mountain Standard Tim, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: I have been working on a HP 2640B terminal. It was mostly about fixing the "screen mold" problem and cleaning up the liquids that had been seeping out from the screen down into the bottom. The small coaxial wire that connects the 4.9152 MHz clock signal form the power supply (never seen a crystal controlled SMPSU before!) to the backplane was broken off, but after fixing that the terminal worked fine. Just needed some adjustment to the brightness. With the correct terminfo installed it worked quite well as a serial terminal to a Linux box. Then I tried the short 8008 programs that Christian Corti pointed to http://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/dev_en/hp2644/diag.html and ftp://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/hp/hp2644 I tried both a couple of times. The terminal enter the LOADER mode but just hangs completely at the end. I tried different baudrates but no difference. The selftest STATUS line tell me 40<802 which should indicate that there are 4k memory in the terminal. However there should be 5k since there is one 4k board and one combined control store and 1 k RAM board. Maybe there is a fault in the 1k SRAM? The terminal doesn't complain though. Regardless, the programs listed either starts at adress 3 or 36000 which should then be within the available space. The question is, should these program work for the HP2640B as well? It has a 8008 but my guess is that the firmware is different from the 2644. What is the joint experience regarding this? Has anyone ran these small programs above on a HP2640B? The HP 2640B firmware consists of four EA 4900 ROM chips which annoyingly are not anything like normal EPROMs. So dumping will need special considerations. Has anyone dumped the HP 2640B firmware already? I didn't find it on bitsavers. /Mattis
Re: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK
Many Thanks for this. A useful addition to our HP docs here. Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 11/9/2017 7:29:40 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: The manual has been scanned and is on our FTP server: ftp://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/hp/hp2648/13245-90001_2640S eriesCharacterSetGeneration_Oct1975.pdf Enjoy :-) @Al: you may push it to bitsavers Christian
snippit of R2E hisoty on the surplus market. DEALIN'' ELECTRONICS date??
Later in life when Bull owned R2E there was a z-80 with either just floppy or floppy and hard drive... I have a catalog of an outfit surplussing a group of them in USA called DEALIN'' ELECTRONICS in Palo Alto. Date? Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC
Re: "Left a home full of computers" Craigslist ad
YEA BUT THAT ASR 35 IS WORTH GOING AFTER IF YOU ARE CLOSE! ED# In a message dated 11/6/2017 10:43:32 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > On Nov 5, 2017, at 1:46 AM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote: > > I don't know anything but the ad copy the poster placed. > > I'd think there might be more to the story if someone is in Southern New Hampshire and can contact and perhaps visit. Londonderry, north west from Lawrence, Lowell, Ma. > > https://nh.craigslist.org/sop/d/teletype-printer/6369045622.html > > "Antique teletype for sale it has been indoors with other computers that are 20plus yrs old , Also have a new Radio Shack TRS80 ,with all the software and hardware ,printers,disc drives all like new , I was left a home with all of its contents tons of electronics and computers, call if you want me to send pics" FWIW, I received some pics of these items. The TRS-80 is far from being in new condition. It’s quite a bit beat up and worn.=
Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
In days of old would use one with a 50 ft ribbon cable as a 'portable' console fro one of my hp 2000 systems I would just rag it around to wherever I was in the Computer Room. or into the front office west of the computer room as the back of the 2000 was against that wall. In those days seemed so amazing to do so! Ed# In a message dated 11/3/2017 10:57:23 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: Hey, TRS-80 M100 rocks! I've got several, and they all work perfectly to this day. Built by Kyocera, who isn't known for making junk.. The 30+ hr. battery life alone is enough to earn them a high rating, and they have a built-in terminal program. I've used them to control headless Linux boxes several times via serial port. I believe they do 9600 or possibly 19200.
Re: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK
no the other hp museum! across the pond! http://hpmuseum.net/ good people! it may already be online they have done a good job scanning stuff. ed# In a message dated 11/3/2017 12:30:36 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > > Well they say they would like to scan but no resource. Available to > > view on three days notice On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, Ed via cctalk wrote: > what about the kind folks at the hp museum? . . . and' don't they have some sort of archive in Santa Rosa?
Re: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK
what about the kind folks at the hp museum? Ed# In a message dated 11/3/2017 10:38:04 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: Well they say they would like to scan but no resource. Available to view on three days notice Dave On 3 Nov 2017 10:41, "Dave Wade" wrote: > Marc, > They seem to have a big collection of Manuals but no intention of scanning > them, or making them available other than on personal request. I am in the > UK but have never been. Let me e-mail and ask. > Dave > > > -Original Message- > > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of > > CuriousMarc via cctalk > > Sent: 03 November 2017 07:10 > > To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' > > > > Subject: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK > > > > The link below is from the computer museum in Cambridge, UK, which > > seems to have a copy of an HP 2640 terminal manual I am looking for. Is > > anyone from that museum on the list? Does any of the UK members know > > them? > > http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/14373/HP-2640-Series-Character- > > Set-Ge > > neration/ > > > > Does anyone on the list have a copy of this manual? > > > > Marc > > > > > > >
Re: Tubbs fire consumed the collected archives of William Hewlett and David P...
I think there are some people that will state anything at this point at Corp. to cover their ass's over this debacle... Ed# In a message dated 10/31/2017 12:19:44 A.M. US Mountain Standard Tim, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: This article has more details about the archive situation and, more important, it has a comment from HP at the end. https://spectrum.ieee.org/view-from-the-valley/tech-history/silicon-revoluti on/loss-of-hewlettpackard-archive-a-wakeup-call-for-computer-historians
Re: Look to get a copy of a Multi-Tech FM300 Modem manual
they claim FIRST ACOUSTIC COUPLER IN 1970 nah... GE 1968 My customer has an Olivetti terminal that he wants to use on GE Time-Sharing Service. How much does our acoustic coupler cost and what is the rental fee? The TDM 114 acoustic coupler rents for $25 a month (including maintenance by service shops) and sells for $395. The TDM 115 acoustic coupler costs $495. Aug. 1968 GE service Note - time share etc Multi-Tech says... 1970: Dr. Sharma founds and incorporates Multi-Tech Systems, renting new office space in the basement of the Schneider's Drug building in Minneapolis. He sells the world's first acoustic coupler to Professor Schmitt, inventor of the Schmitt trigger, for $300. worlds first? hmmm... Not. Remember too the Deaf had acoustic couplers prior to 1970 also! Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 10/31/2017 12:02:56 A.M. US Mountain Standard Tim, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: https://www.multitech.com/about-us/history How accurate is this Multi-Tech history? Ed# In a message dated 10/30/2017 11:07:17 P.M. US Mountain Standard Tim, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: That would be great. Next year as one of my teleprinter demonstrations I want to have a Teletype 33 or 35 and the FM300 and a Bell System 500 rotary dial desk phone. -pete On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Chris Elmquist wrote: > Give me a day or two and I think I can help you out. I used to work at > Multi-Tech when the FM300 was still a product. I have several along with > original schematics, which are "blue prints"... > > I have almost as many stories about Multi-Tech as I do ETA ;-) > > Chris > > On October 29, 2017 1:40:03 PM CDT, Pete Lancashire via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >I've acquired a Multi-Tech FM300 acoustic modem and even though I could > >figure out the pin-outs > >and switch settings, it would be great if I could get a copy of the > >original manual. > > > >Goal is to add it to a Teletype 33 or 35 and a Bell System 500 desk > >set. > > > >-pete > > -- > Chris Elmquist > >
Re: Look to get a copy of a Multi-Tech FM300 Modem manual
https://www.multitech.com/about-us/history How accurate is this Multi-Tech history? Ed# In a message dated 10/30/2017 11:07:17 P.M. US Mountain Standard Tim, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: That would be great. Next year as one of my teleprinter demonstrations I want to have a Teletype 33 or 35 and the FM300 and a Bell System 500 rotary dial desk phone. -pete On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Chris Elmquist wrote: > Give me a day or two and I think I can help you out. I used to work at > Multi-Tech when the FM300 was still a product. I have several along with > original schematics, which are "blue prints"... > > I have almost as many stories about Multi-Tech as I do ETA ;-) > > Chris > > On October 29, 2017 1:40:03 PM CDT, Pete Lancashire via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >I've acquired a Multi-Tech FM300 acoustic modem and even though I could > >figure out the pin-outs > >and switch settings, it would be great if I could get a copy of the > >original manual. > > > >Goal is to add it to a Teletype 33 or 35 and a Bell System 500 desk > >set. > > > >-pete > > -- > Chris Elmquist > >
Re: HEXTIr - TI HexBus SD Drive
Jim I thought all TI computers had one? But I am new to TI's never owned one when were new... just dealing with one in a museum environment now. In a message dated 10/30/2017 8:25:17 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: On 10/30/2017 9:32 PM, Ed via cctalk wrote: > ok .. does this mean I can put lots of ti 99/4 software on thesd > card for people to play with in the museum? > Ed# Do you have a HexBus interface for the 99/4a? I thought all of them had it?
Re: HEXTIr - TI HexBus SD Drive
ok .. does this mean I can put lots of ti 99/4 software on the sd card for people to play with in the museum? Ed# In a message dated 10/30/2017 7:06:33 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 12:14:41 -0500 Jim Brain via cctalk wrote: > In case anyone has a fondness for niche tech... > > At VCF-SE this year, the TI folks had a great exhibit, and perusing > it I saw an unfamiliar machine, the TI CC-40 (Compact Computer-40). > While I was investigating, the exhibitor (MillipedeMan aka Mark), > told me the machines were frustrating to use, as TI only supported > one communications method on the unit, a proprietary protocol called > HexBus, and produced very low quantities of very few peripherals that > work on the bus. Most frustratingly, they never producing a mass > storage device in any appreciable quantity, and there was no other > way to save programs written on the unit. > > Mark did note there was an eBay seller liquidating units, so I bought > a 2 unit combo from eBay before I left the show. > > Sadly, Summer happened, but I was finally able to get to the unit, > and started working on an SD-based mass storage device for the unit. > It was an interesting journey to learn a new protocol. > > The (development in progress) result is HEX-TI-r, the HexBus SD drive: > > GitHub source code is here: https://github.com/go4retro/HEXTIr > > Video of unit operating: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX5ahVCRdvM > > I don't have a project page up yet, but will work on that. > > Jim > Nice work, Jim. Thanks for the effort you've put into this. jbdigriz
Tubbs fire consumed the collected archives of William Hewlett and David Packard
The Tubbs fire consumed the collected archives of William Hewlett and David Packard, the tech pioneers who in 1938 formed an electronics company in a Palo Alto garage with $538 in cash. More than 100 boxes of the two men’s writings, correspondence, speeches and other items were contained in one of two modular buildings that burned to the ground at the Fountaingrove headquarters of Keysight Technologies. Keysight, the world’s largest electronics measurement company, traces its roots to HP and acquired the archives in 2014 when its business was split from Agilent Technologies — itself an HP spinoff. http://bit.ly/2yd6Z2G (My added note) And this is why I continue to stress multiple caches of copies/scans of historical material... and sad... as in this case here is someone that could have footed the bill and not missed the money to do it. Ed# Archivist for SMECC
Re: Anyone know who does 'decmuseum.org', PDP-5 pictures
Hi Noel - http://www.dvq.com/ is the master site it seems.. I goggled dvg anddec as it said it was copyrighted dvg I figured that would show up elsewhere and it did. Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 10/28/2017 5:43:37 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: Does anyone know who does this site: http://decmuseum.org/index.html I looked, and didn't see anything in the site itself, and doing a 'whois' didn't turn up anything useful. The site has some really nice PDP-5 photos which I was wondering if that person could/would put in the public domain, so I can use them for a PDP-5 article I'm working on for Wikipedia and the CHWiki. So I'd like to get in contact with them. Noel
Re: Digression - Ah Yes!! The PDP-10
oddly there were times you could dial into a broken dec 10 connect and end up connected to someone elses session Ed# In a message dated 10/25/2017 2:18:30 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Robert > Adamson via cctalk > Sent: 25 October 2017 20:56 > To: cct...@classiccmp.org > Subject: Digression - Ah Yes!! The PDP-10 > > Beginning of the 70's I was using a pdp-10 at TSL (Time Sharing Limited, UK) > over a phone line writing logic simulation software in Fortran. Remember it > fondly, especially the number of times I needed to redial in and try to > reconnect to my session. Still smell the teletype. Cost about £10 for the 20 > seconds cpu-time or so just to compile the program!!! > I used to use the DECSYSTEM-20 from a Teletype (until they got replaced by VDUs). That is why I really wanted a nice Model 33 ASR, which I now have. I sometimes connect it up to SIMH running TOPS-20 to relive the happiest part of my school days. > Roll on a few years and I was actually at the console of a 10 at Smiths doing IC > layout graphics interactively on their Lady Jane suite. What a great single-user > machine! > > (and I still remember my username and password from TSL, typed it so often it > burned in). >
Re: HP 21mx/whatever processor works with doublesided key... i forgot model#
IT RUNS MEMORY RESIDENT LOADED FROM PAPER TAPE? ED# In a message dated 10/20/2017 7:37:48 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jw...@classiccmp.org writes: "Forth-like" system that is well developed/flushedout. So in addition to BASIC, you get oh-so-many-wonderful-things. I very highly recommend that anyone messing with 21mx/1000 systems take a good look at HP-IPL/OS.
Re: HP 21mx/whatever processor works with doublesided key... i forgot model#
NOPE NOT A BIG RTE PERSON - BUT YES THERE WOULD BE MULTI SERIAL BOARDS IN SOME INCOMING PROCESSORS RAN IT ONCE AND PLAYED WITH IT... BROKE 1000 SYSTEMS DOWN AND SOLD THE PIECES. THE ONLY SYSTEMS THAT WE SUPPORTED SOFTWARE WISE WERE F AND THEN ACCESS THIS 21 WHATEVER IS THE SKINNY ONE! DOUBLE SIDED KEY - AND IF I REMEMBER WILL YANK IT UP OFF THE FLOOR IN MY OFFICE TOMORROW AND SEE THE # BUTSUSPECT 2108 AS ABOUT ALL I REMEMBER LIKING ABOUT IT WAS IT HAD THE BOOT BUILT IN ,GRIN!. WHAT I DID NOT LIKE WAS IT WAS NOT CORE MEMORY. SURE WERE FUN TIMES... ALTHOUGH THERE WAS ALWAYS A FOND SPOT FOR THE 21XX STUFF... I GOT REALLY OCCUPIED WITH THE 3000 AS A COMPUTER THAT I WOULD REALLY USE. IN THE EARLY DAYS OF RUNNING THE ACCESS THOUGH WHAT GREAT FUN AND THE 100 BOARD BBS/MULTI USER CHAT/VOTE AND POL/EMAIL AND MOST GAMES WE DID GOT MOVED TO THE 3000. ED - WHOSE KEYBOARD THINKS IT IS AN ASR 35 TELETYPE SO THAT IS HOW THE REST OF THE MESSAGE GOT FININSHED In a message dated 10/20/2017 7:37:48 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jw...@classiccmp.org writes: Ed wrote... -- HP 21mx/whatever processorworks with double sided key... (I forgot model#) -- Given the way you phrased it, the correct replacement for 'whatever' is M series. E and F never used the double sided key. However, even that is not entirely correct. Older M's used the double sided key. Later M's used the single sided key that is the same as the E and F. And --- It has ... of all things 3 tty boards in it? what is with that? Multi user without a mux? --- Didn't you sell and support these things in a prior life? It was always far more common to see the 21MX machines with 'discrete' tty boards rather than muxes. There were only two mux boards, the one in 2000/Access which was very uncommon as far as 21mx's go... and the one that RTE commonly used which was also not super common to find in the wild. If you had a mux board, then I would have been a bit surprised. Multiple tty boards? Not surprised, that was the far more common thing more often than not, the 21mx's weren't really used/targeted for multiuser (except 2000 TSB of course). RTE did multiuser well, but... still was probably most often used in situations that really didn't require it. Mux's weren't super common. And Has 2 memory boards think I remember 64k total. 64kb or 64kw? Remember, the M.E.M. option is required to support more than 32kw. On the M, MEM was optional. I believe it was standard on E & F. And... --- need to find a paper tape basic to play with. --- There are plenty of those floating around. Google is your friend... I think MU-BASIC may have been the one I heard people using? See below for a better option And... -- Any other advice? -- You should probably start by reading an introduction to the 21MX to get some basic background on the machines... Go to: http://www.hpmuseum.net/exhibit.php?hwdoc=108 You should start with 02108-90004 followed by 02108-90002 Finally - for you (and anyone else) that has just a cpu or a cpu and minimal peripherals, the best thing you can use to play with the machine is Terry Newtons HP-IPL/OS. See http://www.infionline.net/~wtnewton/oldcomp/hp2100/ and http://newton.freehostia.com/net/hpiplos.html Yes, you can run BASIC like you mention above. But it is a very well done "Forth-like" system that is well developed/flushedout. So in addition to BASIC, you get oh-so-many-wonderful-things. I very highly recommend that anyone messing with 21mx/1000 systems take a good look at HP-IPL/OS. Best, J
HP 21mx/whatever processor works with doublesided key... i forgot model#
Progress! HP 21mx/whatever processor works with double sided key... (I forgot model#) Thank goodness for that guy ion ebay selling them! I got 2... one to use...and one to loose/put in bag of keys. Now to replace the fuse holder on the back... that is mushed. It has ... of all things 3 tty boards in it? what is with that? Multi user without a mux? Has 2 memory boards think I remember 64k total. need to find a paper tape basic to play with. Any other advice? Ed#
anyone collecting CLIO littke folding computers? tablet?
anyone collecting CLIO littke folding computers? tablet? have an extra one to swap/sell' whatever. drop me a line off list ! Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)
Re: Halt and Catch Fire (TV series)
In a message dated 10/16/2017 10:28:38 A.M. US Mountain Standard Tim, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > On Oct 16, 2017, at 2:18 AM, tom sparks via cctalk wrote: > > I have just finished watching [Halt and Catch Fire](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halt_and_Catch_Fire_(TV_series)) > I've tried to Identify the companies the show represents > > > 1990 -1995 (Season 4): > * Comet = [Yahoo! Directory?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_Directory) > Gordon Clark ( founder ), Joe Jerry and David’s Guide to the WWW and Yahoo! were mentioned on the show as competitors in one of the final episodes.= correctyahoo was on the netscape tool bar which Joe figured doomed comet. Ed#
Re: More videos of VCF's Univac
good to see it up and running! Ed# In a message dated 10/10/2017 5:08:17 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: nice job. How many 1219-B's are still running in the world any more? Bill On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 1:00 AM, Evan Koblentz via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Here it is loading/running memory tests and Wumpus. :) > > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_e5fSxflvrzeovlnioDfQR86zJOLPQ-D >
Re: OT: the death of shortwave / Re: Hallicrafters S-85
When I see something that is neat...I camp on it until I decide or have a friend put his hand on and stand in front. Yea... to many times turn around and then look down and someone else now has it... Ed# In a message dated 10/8/2017 9:52:59 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: I missed out on a nice Hallicrafters receiver at a hamfest last weekend... Walked way to look it up, and it was gone when I came back!
Re: Did DEC make a Daisy Wheel printer?
Yea... so DEC sold them... but the mech was oem diablio? In a message dated 10/8/2017 10:51:39 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: our printers -- daisywheel type -- on wps-8system had a diablio mech as I remember... Ed# _www.smec.org_ (http://www.smec.org) In a message dated 10/8/2017 10:35:55 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > On Oct 8, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > On 10/08/2017 10:19 AM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: >> Did DEC make any sort of impact printer, besides dot-matrix printers? I have an LA50 or two, and dot-matrix isn’t what I’m after. > > You mean like the LQP03 or LQP45? I don't know if DEC made the basic > mechanism, however. > > --Chuck > Yes, that and the LQP02 that Adrian just mentioned will get me pointed in the right direction. Zane
Re: Did DEC make a Daisy Wheel printer?
our printers -- daisywheel type -- on wps-8 system had a diablio mech as I remember... Ed# _www.smec.org_ (http://www.smec.org) In a message dated 10/8/2017 10:35:55 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > On Oct 8, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > On 10/08/2017 10:19 AM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: >> Did DEC make any sort of impact printer, besides dot-matrix printers? I have an LA50 or two, and dot-matrix isn’t what I’m after. > > You mean like the LQP03 or LQP45? I don't know if DEC made the basic > mechanism, however. > > --Chuck > Yes, that and the LQP02 that Adrian just mentioned will get me pointed in the right direction. Zane
Re: OT: the death of shortwave / Re: Hallicrafters S-85
You mean the ones that read numbers and weird names... yea still some out there I understand... and ply weird tones too ... Ed# In a message dated 10/7/2017 4:52:56 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: Are the numbers stations still going? -- Charles
Re: OT: the death of shortwave / Re: Hallicrafters S-85
In a message dated 10/7/2017 4:46:42 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: On 2017-Oct-07, at 2:39 PM, Ed via cctalk wrote: > Good collection start Al! > What homed you in collecting Hallicrafters? > > We have various SW radios at SMECC but I was really touched to get > hold of a S-40B like I had in my youth. Now to put new power supply > capacitors in it and make it Fly. > > I imagine there are a number of folks on list that like radios too as > before we were able to own computer to do electronics with in the times > of old (50s & 60s) we ll played with radios, got ham licenses, > shortwave listened, got CBs or had a pirate neighborhood radio station! SW is dead. The Internet killed it. You can fix your S-40B but there won't be much to make it fly with. There are a couple international broadcasters left, but nothing like it used to be. I was an SWL'er as a kid in the 70s, learned a lot about the world. Voice of America, Armed Forces Network, Radio Japan, Radio Hilversum Holland, Deutsche Welle, HCJB Voice of the Andes, Radio Prague, Radio Moscow, Radio Peking, BBC, etc., etc., etc. Listening to the Cold War play out on the international airwaves. Pretty much all gone. Left between the static are a few religious broadcasters. Yes very diminished from the 60s... 2 things I always considered my gateway to freedom... by SW sets and my motorcycle! in my youth... Got to have both at young ages a quick push to dead end of Crenshaw and I could go allover part of Palos Verdes on dirt roads and trails... I was quite shocked when I heard on radio Havanamost Americans supplemented their daily diet with dog food! Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)
Re: Hallicrafters S-85
Yikes - - and at the time I complained about carrying the S40B home Yikes SX 28 is HEAVY! That is a very good performing set. Be sure to check all the bypass caps too.. they can be problematic. Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 10/7/2017 4:05:30 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, tdk.kni...@gmail.com writes: I've got a sx28 needs to be recapped has allot of humming going on was last serviced in the 70s by my dad he got it for free when he was 12 if he could carry it home a mile Sent from my iPad > On Oct 7, 2017, at 5:56 PM, Ed via cctalk wrote: > > SX-115 Is a nice looking radio Al! > Not sure there are a lot of them around though as > I so not remember even being offered any. > > Be patient... one will show up at a good price... > Also if I see one out there will let you know of the whereabouts. > Ed# > > > > > > In a message dated 10/7/2017 3:03:15 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > a...@bitsavers.org writes: > > > >> On 10/7/17 2:39 PM, couryho...@aol.com wrote: >> >> What homed you in collecting Hallicrafters? > > A friends SX-43 got me interested in shortwave, and in getting my ticket > when I was in high school. I was given a basket-case SX-115 when I was 17 > that I never got going. Apparently, those are worth a lot of money now > since > the production run was so short. Oh well.. > >
Re: Hallicrafters S-85
SX-115 Is a nice looking radio Al! Not sure there are a lot of them around though as I so not remember even being offered any. Be patient... one will show up at a good price... Also if I see one out there will let you know of the whereabouts. Ed# In a message dated 10/7/2017 3:03:15 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, a...@bitsavers.org writes: On 10/7/17 2:39 PM, couryho...@aol.com wrote: > What homed you in collecting Hallicrafters? A friends SX-43 got me interested in shortwave, and in getting my ticket when I was in high school. I was given a basket-case SX-115 when I was 17 that I never got going. Apparently, those are worth a lot of money now since the production run was so short. Oh well..
Re: Hallicrafters S-85
Good collection start Al! What homed you in collecting Hallicrafters? We have various SW radios at SMECC but I was really touched to get hold of a S-40B like I had in my youth. Now to put new power supply capacitors in it and make it Fly. I imagine there are a number of folks on list that like radios too as before we were able to own computer to do electronics with in the times of old (50s & 60s) we ll played with radios, got ham licenses, shortwave listened, got CBs or had a pirate neighborhood radio station! Ed# In a message dated 10/7/2017 11:51:45 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: On 10/7/17 11:47 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > I've starting to collect Hallicrafters and would be interested since this list's 'reply' bit me in the ass, I may as well say what I have S-40 S-62 SX-43 SX-99 SX-100 SX-101
Re: PDP-Lifter
Kudos Steve Well done! Ed# In a message dated 10/6/2017 10:54:01 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: After the discussion last year about lifting and racking heavy gear, I bodged together some hardware and came up with the PDP-Lifter. It allows easy movement, lifting and lowering for racking and unracking equipment in 19" racks. Specifically for PDP-11's and the H960, but could be used for pretty much any other old stuff. I've written a blurb with construction details which you can find at http://web.aanet.com.au/~malikoff/pdp11/PDP-Lifter/ (also posted to my blog on the VCF forum) Steve.
Re: Aaron Nabil & pdp-8.org
Maybe Jay can locate him and offer to re host it? Ed# In a message dated 10/7/2017 10:25:34 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 09:01:32AM -0700, Vincent Slyngstad wrote: [...] > My copy appears to be 724MB. The .zip is 619 MB and the .7z came in > at 596 MB. Interesting. I am again rerunning some download, this time set to continue if there were some failed files. And recording it all via /usr/bin/script, so I can later skim over it. BTW, (because definition of megabyte seems to vary even from one command to another): => (971 5): tar cpf - PDP8/DUMP_pdp8_org_20171007_0001/ | wc -c 566804480 => du -skx PDP8/DUMP_pdp8_org_20171007_0001/pdp-8.org/test-scans/ 17128PDP8/DUMP_pdp8_org_20171007_0001/pdp-8.org/test-scans/ => tar cpf - PDP8/DUMP_pdp8_org_20171007_0001/pdp-8.org/test-scans/ | wc -c 17530880 > The 16 MB I got for test-scans doesn't look important, though. (It > seems to be several rescans of the H724 schematic.) > >Vince This is how it looks in my copy, too. -- Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home ** ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_r...@bigfoot.com **
Re: Aaron Nabil & pdp-8.org
curious wonder why it works for some but not all... Ed# In a message dated 10/6/2017 1:47:03 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > From: Vincent Slyngstad > Aaron's website seems to be working for me Anyone who still has access to it should down-load the entire thing promptly. Noel
Re: Aaron Nabil & pdp-8.org
OK got it but some missing but some of that seems to be external sites that are belly up. Ed# In a message dated 10/6/2017 8:53:07 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: go to archive.org and suck down a copy of it. multiple people should keep copies? Did the fellow pass away? Ed# In a message dated 10/6/2017 6:21:36 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > On Oct 6, 2017, at 5:10 AM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: > > ... > Same here. I get a "server failed" DNS error when trying to look up pdp8.org. I get "No such domain" both from my own DNS server, and from the one at Google (8.8.8.8). But "whois" shows the name registered to Aaron, expiring in March 2018. paul
Re: Aaron Nabil & pdp-8.org
go to archive.org and suck down a copy of it. multiple people should keep copies? Did the fellow pass away? Ed# In a message dated 10/6/2017 6:21:36 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > On Oct 6, 2017, at 5:10 AM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: > > ... > Same here. I get a "server failed" DNS error when trying to look up pdp8.org. I get "No such domain" both from my own DNS server, and from the one at Google (8.8.8.8). But "whois" shows the name registered to Aaron, expiring in March 2018. paul
Re: (Classic Computers) HP 7970 1/2" 9-Track Reel-to-Reel Tape Drive
YES! hp 30 series 3000 systems and 40 series had hpib 1600 bpi 7970e in early days. later they had other drives that would go 6250... and I wish I had one to load the old bulleting board email chat software up on the hp 3000 37 I have here. later dried were hpib also but theolder 30 and 40 series all used 7970e hpib... I know I was there... I owned some! Ed Sharpe retired ceo computer exchange Inc. now seeing my life before me in museums In a message dated 10/3/2017 5:30:36 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: I've never once seen that option in the wild though, so I don't think one would say "most" had it. I do have a handful of 7970E's running and a 7970B I should probably get rid of Chuck Guzis had recently posted the following which may shed light:
Re: OmniUSB - further boards to make
please send into to us as well... thanks ed# In a message dated 10/3/2017 12:12:53 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: On 10/1/2017 4:17 PM, SYLVIA MCMAHON via cctalk wrote: > Hello Philip, > I registered interest in purchasing a Omnibus USB interface some time ago. Is this project still alive? > Regards, Baz > > Sent from my iPad I forwarded Philipps information to this person offline. thanks Jim
Re: HP 9845 complete system on auction in Sweden
yes if the tree sap stuff if can get fungus in it. had that happen to microscope lenses in the lab Ed# In a message dated 9/29/2017 2:11:26 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: On Fri, 29 Sep 2017, Ed via cctalk wrote: > what was the orig. bonding material between face glass and tube? just > curious fungus?
Re: HP 9845 complete system on auction in Sweden
Paul so the case it self is what held the class in place then? Ed# In a message dated 9/29/2017 11:00:27 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: On my 9835A it was Canadian Balsam a common optical bonding material. I bonded the shield on my to the front of the case using epoxy. I had tried tape but it slowly settled to the bottom of the case, I guess my tape was not thick enough. In a very old TV I once had there was just a sheet of plate glass set into the front of the cabinet in front of a tube that did not have any implosion protection. Paul. >
Re: HP 9845 complete system on auction in Sweden
Cory - good suggestion about the double sided tape. what was the orig. bonding material between face glass and tube? just curious Ed# In a message dated 9/26/2017 5:29:30 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, coryheisterk...@gmail.com writes: It's the understood chemical decomposition of the adhesive that holds the screen shield to the CRT. It's pretty much inevitable, from what I understand. The solution is to separate the shield from the CRT, clean the face of the CRT and reattach the shield. Some people don't reattach it, and some people think they are risking serious injury - no opinion. Will the newer adhesives hold up better? We hope so. -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School A common trick amongst TV collectors with the large 23" round CRTs is to carefully remove the tube and place it face down in a kiddy pool of lukewarm water. Let it sit an hour or two in the sun and the faceplate will slide right off. To re-adhere the glass after cleaning, one technique is to use double sided foam tape on the face around the perimeter; similar thickness to the original PVA and holds well, especially if under slight compression once the tube is reinstalled. -C
I forget does this take attachments or inline images?-Ed#
I forget does this take attachments or inline images?-Ed#
Re: HP 2108A key
well. do not see any 2007 so bought one incase the 1000 is the one that uses that one. easier than driving back to the building. however. I did find a but ofother HP keys even some ace style? found my open the 2645 thingis my hp 1000 beltbuckle ( bif g bronze thing) may ace keys probably dec and some classic 8 another hp2000a rime share emblem off a first ever hp timeshare system. ( seems I have a couple extras so one can go) found spare keys to the computer biz in the 80s but have a heck of a lot of quantity I have no idea what they are or what they go to but yea there are ## on them. probably some DG too Ed# In a message dated 9/25/2017 6:03:40 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: Supplying an example ebay auction: H2007-2007-Key-Precut-Chicago-Lock-Illinois-NEW-FACTORY-CUT-SHIPS-FAST http://www.ebay.com/itm/322652408202
Re: HP 2108A key
FANTASTIC -! I still need to triage the shoe boxes too- Ed# In a message dated 9/25/2017 1:47:00 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: I received a key that was made based on the Chicago Lock H2007 key in Christian's picture: http://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pics/hp1000/keys/P1080975. JPG It works! I've asked our resident keymaster to post any specifications needed to duplicate this key. Thanks to everyone involved, for their help. Mike Loewenmloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
Re: HP 9845 complete system on auction in Sweden
Folks - Any idea what causes the screen rot? also any preventative measures to keep it from happening or spreading? Ed# In a message dated 9/25/2017 10:20:36 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, isk...@uw.edu writes: On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 8:13 PM, Ed via cctalk wrote: The shipping cost would be obscene! Ed# In a message dated 9/24/2017 6:57:29 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > On I Sep 23, 2017, at 4:23 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > The 7970E comes in an HP-IB version Indeed, and I even have one of these beautiful tapes! I managed to interface it to my HP 85 but that was very hard. It required bus sniffing work, an FPGA adapter, and making an HP 85 "driver" for the thing (see the result in a demo here: https://youtu.be/YS9dGYUbNd0). Great to know the same tape works out the box on an HP 9845. Yet one more reason for me to get one ;-). But my, from Sweden, that's going to be a monster shipping and customs headache. Marc I have one of these with pretty bad screen rot, and I'm not sure if my HPIB controller is working right - but the system itself runs pretty well. One of my local collector friends has developed an approach to pull the face shield and replace the adhesive - on my list of things to do -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate _The Information School_ (http://ischool.uw.edu/) Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Principal Investigator, "Reflections on Early Computing and Social Change", UW IRB #42619 Archivist, _Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal_ (http://tribunalvoices.org/) _Value Sensitive Design Research Lab_ (http://vsdesign.org/) University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: HP 7970E - interest to split?
What is really scarce is a 7 track 7970b! Had one once... it was the first used HP item I ever sold when I was in the used computer biz early 80s. Wish now I had kept it! Ed# In a message dated 9/25/2017 10:26:10 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: On 09/25/2017 08:27 AM, Anders Nelson via cctalk wrote: > Cool! Aaa, good to know one of them can't be used individually. > > What might be involved in using one with a PDP-8/e emulated on SimH? I can > build/program any sort of custom USB device to interface this big stuff, > which I'll open-source of course. But does it need special power/startup > stuff beyond a control interface to get it working? I can speak only for my experience with the 7970B, which is an 800 NRZI model and has no "slave' mode. The distinguishing characteristic on the 7970E between master and slave is that the slave does not contain the 1600 PE read or write circuitry. If you're accustomed to a Pertec interface, then the 800 interface isn't terribly different, just dumber. You still have a connector for the basic motion and status commands (i.e. forward, reverse, rewind, high-speed and online, loadpoint, ready, protect) and you have two 8-bit+parity clocked data channels for read and write respectively, each with their own connector. However, there is no formatter, as on Pertec interface drives. You get the raw, framed and deskewed data on read and pretty much anything you want to put in on write. No "handshaking" as the interfaces are not buffered. Thanks to Al, I've just adapted a 7970B to used a combination head stack for 7 and 9 track tapes. Some 7970Es already come so equipped, but they're not common. I fabricated a small PCB with 5 miniature DPDT relays to do the switching and it fits right under the head assembly, with the B's 9-track read amplifier plugging in as usual. The lack of a formatter means that you'll have to do the work of gap detection, parity checking/generation and CRC/LRCC interpretation and generation yourself, as well as manage the control lines. I used a small STM32F407 MCU board (about $10) which has lots of 5V tolerant I/O, so receiving data and status is no problem. For driving control lines, simply set the GPIO pins for open-drain operation. There's something like 24ma of sinking capacity on those, so again, no need for intermediate logic. Since I'm interested in reading tapes, but not writing them, I can't address the issue of what to do about that end. My setup uses a serial port for interaction and a USB port that makes the onboard SDHC look like a generic storage device. So, read a tape, dump the data into the SDHC (Chan's FATFS software is useful); suck it out via the USB port to a PeeSee. To handle 1600 PE data would require yet another layer of software. I realize that not many are interested in my peculiar needs, but perhaps this will go to answer a question or two. --Chuck
Re: HP 9845 complete system on auction in Sweden
The shipping cost would be obscene! Ed# In a message dated 9/24/2017 6:57:29 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > On I Sep 23, 2017, at 4:23 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > The 7970E comes in an HP-IB version Indeed, and I even have one of these beautiful tapes! I managed to interface it to my HP 85 but that was very hard. It required bus sniffing work, an FPGA adapter, and making an HP 85 "driver" for the thing (see the result in a demo here: https://youtu.be/YS9dGYUbNd0). Great to know the same tape works out the box on an HP 9845. Yet one more reason for me to get one ;-). But my, from Sweden, that's going to be a monster shipping and customs headache. Marc
Re: HP 9845 complete system on auction in Sweden
the tape drive was an hpib version as was used on the later hp 3000 systems. Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 9/23/2017 4:11:19 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: On Sep 22, 2017 11:47 PM, "Curious Marc via cctalk" wrote: I didn't know you could interface a 9845 with a 7970 tape drive. The 9845 was the top-of-the-line workstation. It could be interfaced to almost everything computer-controlable that HP made.
Re: HP 2108A key
YIKES I should check too I do have a few 30 year old keys on my ring. Pretty sure the Hp-2000 and HP-3000 keys are still there perhaps the pdp-8 m or f and possibly one for the 2000ATimeshare cabinets. I will see what else... you tend to put them on and never take them off. Ed# ( that has a key ring suitable for self-defense.) In a message dated 9/22/2017 1:48:39 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: YIKES I should check too I do have a few 30 yea old keys on my ring. Pretty sure the Hp-2000 and HP-300 key are still there and possibly one for the 2000A Timeshare cabinets. I will see what else... you tend to put them on and never take them off. Ed# In a message dated 9/22/2017 1:44:12 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: Well, that explains one of my mystery keys on my keychain... I used to work with HP 1000 systems. I still have one of the HP 264x 'keys' which opened up the terminal. From: "cctalk" To: "cctalk" Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 1:20:42 PM Subject: Re: HP 2108A key > Unmarked - single sided in an HP 1000 M-series; looks like a cheap > generic cam lock, may be a post-sale replacement lock (due to too > many keys extant, or the boss wandered off with the key) It is > definitely NOT a match for either of the keys that Dennis described. > Cuts from bow to tip look like they could be something like 6-1-3-1 > (depending on depth specs) Confession time. I copied the cuts by hand, and did it backwards because of the similarty of the key designation. Sigh. The correct cuts for the 4T1427 are 7241 read bow to tip. I _think_ Christian's last two systems (several photos each) both have variants of the 4T1427. Here's a catalog entry at CHM for another pair of 4T1427 keys: http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102668532 De
Re: HP 2108A key
YIKES I should check too I do have a few 30 yea old keys on my ring. Pretty sure the Hp-2000 and HP-300 key are still there and possibly one for the 2000A Timeshare cabinets. I will see what else... you tend to put them on and never take them off. Ed# In a message dated 9/22/2017 1:44:12 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: Well, that explains one of my mystery keys on my keychain... I used to work with HP 1000 systems. I still have one of the HP 264x 'keys' which opened up the terminal. From: "cctalk" To: "cctalk" Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 1:20:42 PM Subject: Re: HP 2108A key > Unmarked - single sided in an HP 1000 M-series; looks like a cheap > generic cam lock, may be a post-sale replacement lock (due to too > many keys extant, or the boss wandered off with the key) It is > definitely NOT a match for either of the keys that Dennis described. > Cuts from bow to tip look like they could be something like 6-1-3-1 > (depending on depth specs) Confession time. I copied the cuts by hand, and did it backwards because of the similarty of the key designation. Sigh. The correct cuts for the 4T1427 are 7241 read bow to tip. I _think_ Christian's last two systems (several photos each) both have variants of the 4T1427. Here's a catalog entry at CHM for another pair of 4T1427 keys: http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102668532 De
Re: HP 2108A key
OK that is helpful! I can look though the box and have something to compare with! For the purpose of finding a match for Mike's 2018 is that a single sided or double sided key Mike ( or others knowing) the HP MX Processor MXthat was contributed to SMECC is thinner than the ones here. I will have to get the model # when I am in that area. I need to replace fuse holder on the back.Ed# - _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 9/22/2017 2:42:54 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: On Thu, 21 Sep 2017, Sam O'nella wrote: > Should be easy but my mobile google fu is failing. Didn't Jay and a few > others know if a vintage computer key database/site somewhere? Would > that possibly have or benefit from getting afterwards? null Ok, I went into our storage and made some pics: http://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/dev_en/hp1000/keys.html In total, there are three different keys used on the 21MX, 1000M and 1000E/F. Christian
Re: COTROL SYS> Navy using X Boxes to control sub periscopes Check this out!
probably not much.. but It was odd! #ed In a message dated 9/21/2017 5:10:03 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: That's very nice, Ed. What does this have to do with classic computing, exactly? On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 13:46 Ed via cctalk wrote: > Navy using X Boxes to control sub periscopesCheck this out! > > http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/09/20/us-navy-will-use-xbox-controllers-to- > operate-submarine-periscopes.html > <http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/09/20/us-navy-will-use-xbox-controllers-to-operate-submarine-periscopes.html> > -- Ian Finder (206) 395-MIPS ian.fin...@gmail.com
Re: HP 2108A key
Most of the time processors came in whole and got sold out as parts.. The 2 things that always seemed left overwere keys and carcass! Ed# In a message dated 9/21/2017 10:25:38 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > > > I used to come home after a hard day with computers and if I had > > > weird keys 30 plus years ago they went into a box or plastic bag.. > > So, YOU are the guy who always walked off with the keys at the end of > > the day, and never brought them back. On Thu, 21 Sep 2017, couryho...@aol.com wrote: > Excuse me? I owned the company! > My Company... my keys.. > and in those days there were lots of them! > How funny! > Ed# Ah! So you are the BOSS who would wander off with the keys, and not bring them back! ("Never give the boss the only key!") I was the boss in my auto shop. One of my employees taught me the basics of locksmithing. I never developed much skill, but at least I could understand the theory. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
Re: HP 2108A key
Excuse me? I owned the company! My Company... my keys.. and in those days there were lots of them! How funny! Ed# In a message dated 9/21/2017 9:15:14 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: On 21 September 2017 at 18:02, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Sep 2017, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote: >> >> I dunno what all thathe means > > > Q: Do you WANT to know what all thathe means? > >> I am offering to >> .look thru shoe box of keys I Ave one if the thin mx processors do not >> temember what number but I know Keyes not in it... I used to come home after >> a hard day with computers and if I had weird keys 30 plus years ago they >> went into a box or plastic bag.. > > > So, YOU are the guy who always walked off with the keys at the end of the > day, and never brought them back. Well, you know: certain things are correlated. "I am too important to bother to learn how to quote properly." "I am too important to bother to return keys." Both mean that the person doesn't respect other people, and expects them to just work around their "adorable little eccentricities". It means, in short, "fsck you". I don't know about anyone else, but I know how _I_ respond to folk like that. -- Liam Proven • Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • Google Mail/Talk/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven • Skype/LinkedIn/AIM/Yahoo: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 • ČR/WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal: +420 702 829 053
Re: HP 2108A key
EEEK! bad cell phone typing! OK anyway I was under the assumption that the hp keys would have a certain number on them depending on what they fit? If I am wrong then unless I have a photo this group of old keys will be of no use. Just a thought. Ed# In a message dated 9/20/2017 10:28:02 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: I dunno what all thathe means I am offering to .look thru shoe box of keys I Ave one if the thin mx processors do not temember what number but I know Keyes not in it... I used to come home after a hard day with computers and if I had weird keys 30 plus years ago they went into a box or plastic bag.. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote: If we can id the Chicago double-sided key Mike _does_ need, I can probably make it. The CCL 4T1427 key, which is NOT what Mike needs, would be cut on an Ilco S1003A blank, cuts 1427 bow-to-tip. The CAT99 key I see referenced in the list archives (might open a cab back door) would be on an Ilco S1000V, cuts 5 bow-to-tip. De
COTROL SYS> Navy using X Boxes to control sub periscopes Check this out!
Navy using X Boxes to control sub periscopesCheck this out! http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/09/20/us-navy-will-use-xbox-controllers-to- operate-submarine-periscopes.html
Re: Apple ][ PS
or buy another apple 2 with bad other things for not much and grab the PS from it... Ed# In a message dated 9/18/2017 9:54:59 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: I've used this one. http://store.reactivemicro.com/product/universal-psu-kit/ Michael. On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 at 6:09 am, Shoppa, Tim via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
Re: Chasing Digiac...
yep Allison - noticed the date but once posted... alas too late. too late. I would like to find the 1966 one by the same name though! Ed# In a message dated 9/17/2017 9:50:32 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: Huge temporal disconnect. The smcc manual is from 1966... S100 was first seen as the MITS altair in late 1974. Allison On 09/17/2017 03:03 PM, Ed via cctalk wrote: > well there is this total cool book and picture! > > http://www.smecc.org/digiac.htm > > we would love to find the system! > > > > > From: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Reply-to: ge...@deltasoft.com > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Sent: 9/17/2017 11:55:38 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time > Subj: Chasing Digiac... > > > I'm trying to find out more information about a Digiac 4500 S-100 bus > system that will eventually be coming my way. The machine was originally > obtained through an estate sale and all the docs were thrown out. :( > > It appears to be some kind of computer system trainer, but information on > the 'net is VERY scarce. In fact, the only time I've found "Digiac 4500" > _anywhere_ is where it's listed as having software support in an ad for a > robot arm. > > Thanks! > > g. > >
Fwd: Chasing Digiac...
well there is this total cool book and picture! http://www.smecc.org/digiac.htm we would love to find the system! From: cctalk@classiccmp.org Reply-to: ge...@deltasoft.com To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Sent: 9/17/2017 11:55:38 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time Subj: Chasing Digiac... I'm trying to find out more information about a Digiac 4500 S-100 bus system that will eventually be coming my way. The machine was originally obtained through an estate sale and all the docs were thrown out. :( It appears to be some kind of computer system trainer, but information on the 'net is VERY scarce. In fact, the only time I've found "Digiac 4500" _anywhere_ is where it's listed as having software support in an ad for a robot arm. Thanks! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
Re: RIP Jerry Pournelle, the first author to write a novel on a computer Earl...
I remember the first articles I wrote for the HP chronicle newspaper I did with editor 3000... it was handy as where ever I was I could log on and work on it. In a message dated 9/10/2017 6:08:13 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: I remember the fort articles I wrote for the HP chronicle newspaper I did with editor 3000... it was handy as where ever i was I could log on and work on it. In a message dated 9/10/2017 6:04:53 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: >> Virtually ALL "FIRST"s in history had obscure predecessors. >> Hence the word "FIRST" should be avoided by any real historians with integrity. On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: > I think it all depends upon how you define “word processing”. For > me I absolutely detest things like MS Word. Probably because I started > with markup languages. Well, in THIS case, the claim was "the first author to write a novel on a computer". There are a LOT of items subject to dispute. Does "write a novel on a computer" include manuscripts that were never submitted to publisher? manuscripts rejected by publisher? manuscripts that never made it to print? Manuscripts that were printed, but had inadequate sales? Published novels that weren't best sellers? include composing on computer, but then retyped by secretary? include composing offline, but typed on a computer by secretary? Is a dedicated word processor machine a computer? Is a terminal on a timesharing system "on a computer"? So, I'm settling for pointing out that "FIRST" usually ignores obscure, little known, unsuccessful, predecessors. Jerry did some great things to popularize microcomputers, and bring them to the masses. He was an EARLY user (Electric Pencil), but certainly not "THE FIRST". He wrote an entertaining column. It sometimes pissed us off. He was loud and opinionated. He had easy access to all the latest stuff that we wanted - one time, another columnist ridiculed him by talking about Seymour Cray personally installing and troubleshooting a machine given to Jerry. We will miss him. PS: I started with an editor on a timeahring system, and then when microcomputers came out, used Electric Pencil, then SCRIPSIT (My Honda book) and Wordstar. But once I settled in, I liked to use PC-Write for text editing (Bob Wallace and I were buddies in high school), and used Xerox Ventura for formatting. (XenoSoft manuals, etc.) Now I use Word and Open Office Writer. I did my PhD written exams on Windows Write, and was the first person in the School of Library and Information Studies to do them on a computer. ("FIRST"!!) I responded to faculty objections with, "Are you going to grade me on my penmanship?" Windows Write, being included in the OS, seemed to answer some of the concerns about how to "sanitize" a computer to avoid smuggling in pre-written content. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com > The first one was one that I wrote for the IBM 1130 so I could do a high school research paper (1974). It was written in > Fortran (sorry long gone) and the “paper” was all on punch cards and printed on a 1403 printer. I did it mainly because > it was a pain to keep track of how to format for footnotes and attributions. > > At CMU I used Scribe that output to the XGP (Xerox Graphics Printer driven by a PDP-11/45). This was the first time I > used something where there were selectable fonts (1976). At IBM *everything* was done with various versions of SCRIPT. > At this point I can’t recall but I believe a number of the IBM manuals were all done in SCRIPT. > > I then used Interleaf (a *high* end document publishing/management system) and then FrameMaker (before Adobe > completely screwed it up and finally killed it). > > I currently use LaTex for producing anything more complicated than an email. > > TTFN - Guy
Re: RIP Jerry Pournelle, the first author to write a novel on a computer Earl...
I remember the fort articles I wrote for the HP chronicle newspaper I did with editor 3000... it was handy as where ever i was I could log on and work on it. In a message dated 9/10/2017 6:04:53 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: >> Virtually ALL "FIRST"s in history had obscure predecessors. >> Hence the word "FIRST" should be avoided by any real historians with integrity. On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: > I think it all depends upon how you define “word processing”. For > me I absolutely detest things like MS Word. Probably because I started > with markup languages. Well, in THIS case, the claim was "the first author to write a novel on a computer". There are a LOT of items subject to dispute. Does "write a novel on a computer" include manuscripts that were never submitted to publisher? manuscripts rejected by publisher? manuscripts that never made it to print? Manuscripts that were printed, but had inadequate sales? Published novels that weren't best sellers? include composing on computer, but then retyped by secretary? include composing offline, but typed on a computer by secretary? Is a dedicated word processor machine a computer? Is a terminal on a timesharing system "on a computer"? So, I'm settling for pointing out that "FIRST" usually ignores obscure, little known, unsuccessful, predecessors. Jerry did some great things to popularize microcomputers, and bring them to the masses. He was an EARLY user (Electric Pencil), but certainly not "THE FIRST". He wrote an entertaining column. It sometimes pissed us off. He was loud and opinionated. He had easy access to all the latest stuff that we wanted - one time, another columnist ridiculed him by talking about Seymour Cray personally installing and troubleshooting a machine given to Jerry. We will miss him. PS: I started with an editor on a timeahring system, and then when microcomputers came out, used Electric Pencil, then SCRIPSIT (My Honda book) and Wordstar. But once I settled in, I liked to use PC-Write for text editing (Bob Wallace and I were buddies in high school), and used Xerox Ventura for formatting. (XenoSoft manuals, etc.) Now I use Word and Open Office Writer. I did my PhD written exams on Windows Write, and was the first person in the School of Library and Information Studies to do them on a computer. ("FIRST"!!) I responded to faculty objections with, "Are you going to grade me on my penmanship?" Windows Write, being included in the OS, seemed to answer some of the concerns about how to "sanitize" a computer to avoid smuggling in pre-written content. -- Grumpy Ol' Fredci...@xenosoft.com > The first one was one that I wrote for the IBM 1130 so I could do a high school research paper (1974). It was written in > Fortran (sorry long gone) and the “paper” was all on punch cards and printed on a 1403 printer. I did it mainly because > it was a pain to keep track of how to format for footnotes and attributions. > > At CMU I used Scribe that output to the XGP (Xerox Graphics Printer driven by a PDP-11/45). This was the first time I > used something where there were selectable fonts (1976). At IBM *everything* was done with various versions of SCRIPT. > At this point I can’t recall but I believe a number of the IBM manuals were all done in SCRIPT. > > I then used Interleaf (a *high* end document publishing/management system) and then FrameMaker (before Adobe > completely screwed it up and finally killed it). > > I currently use LaTex for producing anything more complicated than an email. > > TTFN - Guy
Re: RIP Jerry Pournelle, the first author to write a novel on a computer Earl...
WPS-8 was awesome! I had one of the desks with the 8a in the back and rxo1 drives! and the daisy wheel printer then over time ended up with three but alas have none now... Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 9/10/2017 3:25:04 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:24 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, couryho...@aol.com wrote: >> then. who was. the TRUE first? > > Michael Shrayer's girlfriend? > And what motivated him to write "Electric Pencil"? > Jerry started using it early on, but he was NOT the first user of it. > > Before Electric Pencil, what microcomputer word-processor programs preceded that? I seriously doubt that Michael Shrayer was the only one to write one. > > What word-processor programs existed prior to micros? WPS-8, of course. Wang had word processors in that same era. Then there is the MT/ST which I think is older still. And if you define it as "computer based text editor" then you'd go back at least to TECO, which first appeared on the PDP-1, so that would be early 1960s. paul
Re: RIP Jerry Pournelle, the first author to write a novel on a computer Earl...
WORD PROCESSING VIA PUNCH CARDS Need to insert the paragraph in a different place? Shift those cards in the deck Seriously though... anything helps me... I have never written long things in a linear manner... when I was a kid I would write the stuff down then cut the paragraphs out and rearrange them and tape them to a new piece of paper. Then I discovered Girls! How wonderfully they did with shorthand and typing. Ed# In a message dated 9/10/2017 2:24:31 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, couryho...@aol.com wrote: > then. who was. the TRUE first? Michael Shrayer's girlfriend? And what motivated him to write "Electric Pencil"? Jerry started using it early on, but he was NOT the first user of it. Before Electric Pencil, what microcomputer word-processor programs preceded that? I seriously doubt that Michael Shrayer was the only one to write one. What word-processor programs existed prior to micros? If I were to have had lower case capability with punch cards (I only had access to common models of 026 and 029), I would have used punchcards for word processing! I did use them for such trivia as the single page list of names and phone numbers that I needed. In 1968, I did word-processing on a time-sharing system, while I was working at Goddard Space Flight Center. THAT, of course, was not PUBLISHED work. My first PUBLISHED book was my Honda book, for which I used TRS-80. Microcomputers were NOT the first computers capable of word-processing. The word processing capability of late 1960s time sharing systems WAS being used for manuscripts, often on the sly to keep the boss from freaking out over the bills for use! You are not likely to find the "TRUE first", only "A first", or "some of the first". Maybe even the "FIRST to be a major best-seller". THEN you have a researchable claim, without all of the unpublished manuscripts in attics. Jerry's [disputable] claim was to have been the first author to write a PUBLISHED BOOK on computer. And, there were authors using computers, for whom using the computer was NOT an important aspect to them. Some published books prior to his may have been written on computer, without having made a big deal out of that! Just like Osborne was NOT "THE FIRST" portable microcomputer. We had the Elcompco earlier (a few different single board machines with 5" monitor in a Halliburton attache case), and I know that we were not the first. -- Grumpy Ol' Fredci...@xenosoft.com
Re: RIP Jerry Pournelle, the first author to write a novel on a computer Earl...
then. who was. the TRUE first? Ed# In a message dated 9/10/2017 11:08:54 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > RIP Jerry Pournelle, the first author to write a novel on a computer FIRST??!? By now, you should know better than to EVER use that word in the presence of those who were there during the history - it's comparable to saying that Steve Jobs invented the first computer, or that billg invented the first software. NO. He was an early adopter. He was a major influence. He was a friend. (and sometimes a pompous buffoon of a friend) My booth staff at Comdex and West Coast Computer Faire were under strict orders to get a beer into his hand as soon as they saw him. We got some free ink, and not just for the cold beer. He and Roberta [Pournelle] convinced "Bait" to specialize in computers in her booth-bimbo career, surprised that she didn't end up CEO of HP or the like. (In my company, similar to Autodesk, people chose their own job titles. I was "Programmer". My assistant eventually changed from "Emperor of The Galaxy" to "VP") But, there were MANY obscure, mostly unpublished, manuscripts among the VERY first uses of word processing. Well before Jerry got into computers. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Ed via cctalk wrote: > RIP Jerry Pournelle, the first author to write a novel on a computer > > > Early adopter > by Andrew Liptak > > > https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/9/16279582/jerry-pournelle-science-fiction-a > uthor-writing-computers-obituary > > > > sad Ed# > -- Fred Cisin ci...@xenosoft.com XenoSoft http://www.xenosoft.com PO Box 1236 (510) 234-3397 Berkeley, CA 94701-1236
RIP Jerry Pournelle, the first author to write a novel on a computer Early adopt
RIP Jerry Pournelle, the first author to write a novel on a computer Early adopter by Andrew Liptak https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/9/16279582/jerry-pournelle-science-fiction-a uthor-writing-computers-obituary sad Ed#
Re: determing date on TI 99/4 computers.
Thanks to all that provided on list and off list material on the TI 99/4 systems. It was very helpful. Still looking for some hi res ad art work... Thanks Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 9/7/2017 5:24:45 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: On 7 September 2017 at 04:07, Sam O'nella via cctalk wrote: > I don't know if it was my newb brain/false memory but i thought I saw someone post a ti-99/2 prototype before It was a thing: http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=267 Never made it onto retail sale, though. -- Liam Proven • Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • Google Mail/Talk/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven • Skype/LinkedIn/AIM/Yahoo: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 • ČR/WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal: +420 702 829 053
Is there a stash or has anyone started scanning HONEYWELL PRINTOUT Newsletters?
Is there a stash or has anyone started scanning HONEYWELL PRINTOUT Newsletters? These were Employee news letters for the computer section of the big H. We have come into a small group and want to see ifscanned already . We also have the ones that were GE version of this announcing the change over to Big H. ??? are there any other piles of these out there what need to be scanend? drop me a line offlist please. Ed Sharpe Archivist for SMECC
Re: determing date on TI 99/4 computers.
In a message dated 9/5/2017 11:27:04 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, p...@mactec.com.au writes: Hi Ed Howdy! Did you do any research on this at all? Not a lot found a few conflicting things The beige one was later. Thanks - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Instruments_TI-99/4A Bill Cosby was their spokesperson. I can scan the advertising stuff that I have, but I’m pretty sure that it is all online somewhere. Good hi res scans appreciated Ed#.. Thanks ! > On 6 Sep 2017, at 4:00 pm, Ed via cctalk wrote: > > There is a white or beige one > > then there is the black and chrome one? > > which first? and dates please? > > This is unfamiliar territory for me. > but need to pay homage to these > in a museum display here. > > looking for good hi res scans of > adv. material etc. for display?? > > thanks ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)
determing date on TI 99/4 computers.
There is a white or beige one then there is the black and chrome one? which first? and dates please? This is unfamiliar territory for me. but need to pay homage to these in a museum display here. looking for good hi res scans of adv. material etc. for display?? thanks ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)
Re: Odd Ebay auction showed up today...
vintagecomputermuseum account had a roll of paper tape for $100+ dollars one time? ...Ed# In a message dated 9/4/2017 11:47:22 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 12:07 PM, william degnan via cctalk wrote: > I noticed that he had not been selling as much lately, I guess he ran out > of the good stuff and needs to close out the business, or raise new funds. > His normal list of Altairs and such appear to have all been sold. As best we can tell, he's moved all the good stuff to a new account, vintagecomputerstore, operating out of a location that's nearby but not the same. This must be the stuff that wasn't worth hauling to the new warehouse. -- Robert
is it just me or does this apple candy dish seem over priced?
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Speaking of Big H - - Is there already a repository of PRINTOUT Newsletters sc
Speaking of Big H - - Is there already a repository of PRINTOUT Honeywell Employee Newsletters scanned already? Thanks for Info Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)
Re: honeywell h316 manuals
happy to pay shipping PLUS A CASH BONUS DEPENDING ON WHICH MANUALS AND CONDITION to SMECCmuseum in Arizona COURYHOUSE/SMECC ATTN - ED SHARPE ARCHVIIT 5802 W PALMAIRE AVE GLENDALE AZ 85301 Thanks for consideration Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 8/31/2017 6:45:15 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: just found some in a house im poked my head in to look at buying. anthow would anyone want these for the cost of shipping from northern manitoba?
Re: VCF Midwest: 6502 Badges!
cant go to the show but would like a built one my soldering hands are poor in age.Ed# In a message dated 8/28/2017 9:27:10 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:01 AM, systems_glitch via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Just a note, looks like your checkout is hitting US orders for $5 shipping > ($40 total) on the deluxe kit). I still think that's totally reasonable. > Same here, can't go to the show, but did buy a kit, also can verify the website says shipping included but got a shipping charge for $5. I'd reject a refund if one is proposed, since I can't go to the show, toss my $5 in the "round of beer" fund for the badge team.
Re: PDP 8e green / lab version rack Ebay
In a message dated 8/27/2017 3:59:28 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: On 8/26/2017 11:00 PM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote: > > > On 8/26/2017 6:52 PM, Anders Nelson via cctalk wrote: >> LOL those last 15 seconds were a deusey! > Let's hope the buyer isn't a movie prop fool. At least they paid if > they are. > > Looks like two serious bids, the 1600 dollar one trumped in the end > frenzy, and a final big > 4700 bucks that took it. Wonder what that bid > was? > > thanks > Jim Remember the days "free for pickup." :-) I still have things appear on the museum porch gratis.. helps balance out the stuff I over pay for. nothing as cool as a lab 8 in recent years though! Ed#
need adv. material; and promo for Cobalt CUBE and the 1 u server too!
need adv. material; and promo for Cobalt CUBE and the 1 u server too! Have these 2 units want to make a nice display with them... need to dress the background etc... thanks in advance - Ed#
Re: Wanted: small composite CRT monitor
PVM-9044QM uses a sony NP-1 battery as I remember for field use. we have some of these in master control that are mounted 2 per 19 inch rack hanger. we have smaller ones that are 3 and 4 up also for monitoring feeds. http://www.acuson.it/schedepdf/vx6KTWsw8S_PVM-9042QM(brch).pdf is a good ref on these monitors. They re very fine devices but yet long compared to the 'cube type' that look more vintage on the apple 2 or?? Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) \ In a message dated 8/22/2017 9:16:18 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk wrote: > Now, you say you want a color monitor. I think that similar color CCTV monitors > are even more commonly available. I haven't been paying close attention to them > since I've been looking for a specific monochrome monitor, but I think I've seen > various color ones bouncing off my brain's spam filters. I think that one of the > small, boxy, color CRT CCTV monitors might look quite nice with your IIc. Sony made an excellent, small colour monitor, the PVM-9044QM. It's quite light and portable. The reason I like it so much is that it will take just about any TV rate video -- composite colour video (PAL, NTSC, NTSC-4.43, SECAM), S-video (on any of those standards), so-called 'component video' (Y and 2 colour difference signals), and RGB. At US or European scan rates. It can run off the mains (100-240V) or 12V DC (or I believe internal batteries, but I don't have them). It's a Trinitron CRT (not surprisingly) and the unit is well made and not too hard to work on. You can get the service manual on the web, but be sitting down when you look at the schematics, it's not simple. The only problem is finding one -tony > > -- > Mark J. Blair, NF6X > http://www.nf6x.net/ >
Re: Wanted: small composite CRT monitor
but you have a VINTAGE computer so use a VINTAGE monitor yes a flat screen works well. In a message dated 8/22/2017 9:49:06 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: Does it have to be a CRT ? There a quite a few small LCD displays that take NTSC -pete On Aug 22, 2017 3:51 PM, "John Ames via cctech" wrote: > I picked up an Apple IIc this past weekend and I want to set it up > with a small monitor on my desk at work. Unfortunately, I seem to have > gotten rid of the small composite monitor that I know I had at one > point, so I don't have a good spare monitor that isn't a bit too large > for my workspace. I've been poking around looking at some options, but > I'm still waiting to find a decent one in my area, and if I'm going to > order online, I'd rather do it with people I can trust to actually > test the dang thing before selling it and pack it properly. > > In short, I'm looking for a small NTSC CRT monitor or portable TV in > the 7-12" range. I'm not stuck on aesthetics, but it would be nice to > have something that would sit nicely atop the IIc. I wouldn't mind an > actual Apple monitor, but I don't want to pay APPLE MAC IPHONE STEVE > JOBS L@@K prices; otherwise, I'd be happy with any suitable composite > video monitor, color or monochrome. If you happen to be within > reasonable driving distance of Folsom, CA, I'd be glad to pick it up > and save the trouble of shipping. Anybody got one to spare? > >
Re: Wanted: small composite CRT monitor
yes stacked back in the back area behid other tonnage there are lots of these square cabinet monitors both color and B/Wall various sized many names sony Panasonic jvc and more. Wish I had these when I had my apple... they were expensive, especially the color cube broadcast monitors. I could never bring myself to ever toss any of them. the stuff I used with the apple 2 I had were old b/w conrac monitors with tubes in them! I had other friends that had converted TV's so the TV would accept straight composite video thus giving a sharper image than stuff run though modulators. I need to match some of these up with some early video switchers for remote trucks for a display and a few to save for computers but at some point we will probably cut 20 or 30 them loose or so. ed# In a message dated 8/22/2017 4:23:13 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: I suggest that you keep your eyes open for a small CRT-based CCTV monitor. Possible sources include eBay, Craigslist, Goodwill, etc., as well as folks on lists like this one. I've been looking for an old Sanyo VM-4209 or VM-4509 monochrome monitor for a while, to put on my SOL-20. One of those would be Just Right for the SOL-20, as well as for an early Apple II series machine. The few I've seen have been in poor shape, yet listed for RARE L@@K STEVE JOBS prices. I recently found a younger monitor via Goodwill. It's about a decade too new to be Just Right for my SOL-20, but it at least has similar boxy styling to the monitor I'd really like. Newer monitors like that are a lot less rare, and still tend to have more reasonable prices. Something like that might suit your needs well. Now, you say you want a color monitor. I think that similar color CCTV monitors are even more commonly available. I haven't been paying close attention to them since I've been looking for a specific monochrome monitor, but I think I've seen various color ones bouncing off my brain's spam filters. I think that one of the small, boxy, color CRT CCTV monitors might look quite nice with your IIc. -- Mark J. Blair, NF6X http://www.nf6x.net/
Re: halt and catch fire show 2 hr tonite?
always fun to participle in a production Neat Congrats! Bill! Ed# In a message dated 8/19/2017 1:53:18 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, billdeg...@gmail.com writes: On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote: halt and catch fire show 2 hr tonite? the story continues.. ed# Sent from AOL Mobile Mail not that it matters much, but if you look on the tables and such during the show, the magazines you see have cover overlays I scanned for them. b
Re: This Is Such An Exciting Listing!
I was going to do the make an offer for $1 alas... no USA shipping it says! Sorry, this item cannot be posted to United States. You are unable to bid on or buy this item because: * The seller has specified that this item cannot be sent to addresses in United States Ed# In a message dated 8/18/2017 7:25:05 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: And the bidding has gone wild! Dwight From: cctalk on behalf of Rob Jarratt via cctalk Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 4:13:56 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: This Is Such An Exciting Listing! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/182707649701
Re: Vintage equipment rack?
Anders - Your recycler or a scrap yard is a great place to look. you can try surplus electronic store also, but unless they get burdened with a lot of them your scrappers at the end of the food chain will be the most reasonable as a general rule. Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 8/18/2017 9:29:50 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: Hey all, Does anyone know of a source around NYC (or within a few hours driving distance) for a vintage or otherwise interesting, affordable equipment rack? I have a space in my living room where I'd like to place an old Systron Donner frequency counter, a Remex paper tape reader and a reproduction PDP-8/e switch panel (thanks Rod). Aside from those items, the rest of the rack would serve as a bookshelf. I've seen some racks on eBay (including a Norelco computing stack) but most are too far away or expensive (>$200). I have't yet checked scrap yards or e-waste recyclers. Any ideas would be appreciated! -- Anders Nelson +1 (517) 775-6129 www.erogear.com
Re: eBay: Kickplate for H960
Yep! You are correct... Even 35 years ago they would show up missing once in a while. Ed# In a message dated 8/17/2017 8:08:52 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > Every H960 and H967 should have one. I think They came standard. When new, yes and when was the last time you bought a new H960? :-) Several of the ones I found came without kickplates; I figured others might be in the same boat. Noel
PING! Stephen Jones the engineer!
PING! Stephen Jones the engineer! thx ed#
When shipped from Honeywell, was the Multics documentation in the traditional
When shipped from Honeywell, was the Multics documentation in the traditional red Honeywell binders? Or? Thanks Ed#
Re: PDP 8e green / lab version rack Ebay
What a thing of beauty! It kind of breaks up the entire orange motif thing in the row...! I always heard of these but never en counted one here in AZ Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 8/17/2017 3:23:45 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > On Thu, 17 Aug 2017, william degnan via cctalk wrote: >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Digital-Equipment-Corporation-DEC-PDP-lab8-e-Vintage-1970s-computer/15297190 >> >> I hope someone my most-often-traversed groups (CCTech or VCFed) gets this! > > I'd love to keep 'an eye' on it, but I'm not sure I'd ever be able to afford it - my wife is wonderfully tolerant of my collecting tonnes of equipment but I suspect the price of this will go quite high. > > Which is a pity, because it's literally an hour away from me - rarely does such cool stuff show up so close. > > Corey? :) > > - JP *Waves* Yeah, of course it has to show up in Iowa ; ) It'll likely go beyond my budget, too. Plus I just dragged home a 700 pound piece of tab card equipment so my project list is getting a little "full"! -C=
Re: Looking for info on The Digital Group Systems and Aeon Pulse Systems
http://bytecollector.com/the_digital_group.htm above is site with great info! thanks ed# In a message dated 8/13/2017 7:03:38 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: I recently went to a hamfest and scored 2 complete systems From what i can tell its an S-100 based system. The Digital Group with Aeon 8 inch drives And a Pulse By Aeon with 8 inch drives. Heres pics of the unit http://imgur.com/a/G7mrn It came with a ton of disks, and docs Also trying to find out what these keyboards are http://imgur.com/a/y8ymG Thanks for the help in advance