R: SCO software box last chance

[Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk]

What's inside ?

-Messaggio originale-
Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Per conto di Tapley, Mark B. 
via cctalk
Inviato: lunedì 6 gennaio 2020 15:49
A: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Oggetto: SCO software box last chance

…spoken for.

have not yet brought myself to throw away this big box of SCO software. Last 
call, though.

- Mark
210-522-6025 office
210-379-4635 cell

R: OT: the end of Dyn DNS

[Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk]

I use no-ip, the free version. And it's not particularly pushing the paid
option aside just suggesting it on renewal.
There's an email I don't even remember every how many months, requiring 2
clicks to keep the free subscription active, and that's all

-Messaggio originale-
Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Per conto di Mark Linimon
via cctalk
Inviato: giovedì 27 giugno 2019 03:49
A: Charles Dickman; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Oggetto: Re: OT: the end of Dyn DNS

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 09:36:30PM -0400, Charles Dickman via cctalk wrote:
> Now that Dyn has been absorbed by Oracle I need a new DNS service for my
> vanity domain. I welcome suggestions for a replacement provider.

I was just investigating free alternatives myself earlier today.  (I
have not yet come up with a conclusion.)

I currently use the free he.net ivp6 tunnel so I may already be set up
for their free DNS service, but I don't know yet.  (I can recommend the
tunnel.)

Most of the articles on the web mention:

  Dynu, afraid.org, Duck DNS, and No-IP

among a few others.  The latter sounds like they are really pushing
their paid model, though.  (OTOH each of the above has paid tiers for
all but the most basic users.)

If you are using pfSense like I am, they already support:

  https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/dns/dynamic-dns.html

I would be happy to hear of actual experiences with any of these.

mcl

R: Wanted: LTO-5 tapes (used?)

[Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk]

Sorry to intrude, 

Those are LTO-1 tapes (I do have two for an hp drive I have)

-Messaggio originale-
Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Per conto di Nico de Jong
via cctalk
Inviato: lunedì 1 ottobre 2018 13:40
A: et...@757.org; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Oggetto: Re: Wanted: LTO-5 tapes (used?)

Sorry Ethan, the cassettes I have, are marked HP ultium 200 GB, C7971A.
I have 6 or so, plus a cleaning cassette
Can you usem them?
Regards
Nico
- Original Message - 
From: "Ethan via cctalk" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 5:14 PM
Subject: Wanted: LTO-5 tapes (used?)


>
> Looking for used LTO-5 tapes that I can erase and add to my library at 
> home for backing up spinning disk archives. I can use LTO-4 as well but 5 
> gives the most bang for buck.
>
> HMU
>
>  - Ethan
>
> --
> : Ethan O'Toole
>
> 

--
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Needing help fixing an irix boot disk

[Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk]

Hello,

Long story short, a while ago I cloned the hd of a Fuel I got given (6.5.16, 
original installation from an iconic car designer, Bertone), and all was ok. 
The original hd was then left in place but unpowered, the cloned was upgraded 
to 6.5.22 to maintain the classic applications. Fast forward to the present :
Had the smart idea to install an Audigy 2 zs pro ( the kind with the external 
box, and that takes current using a molex from the computer psu - I used the 
rail going also to the boot hd ), and the Fuel started acting weird ... not 
turning on unless pressing more than once the power button, one of the front 
fans speeding up and down and even stopping, Display Expander I/O errors  ( I 
should note that from the moment I got the Fuel I had to disable env since the 
I2C on the V10 board is acting crazy ).

I managed to boot / use it a couple of times... then it didn't go past the Prom.

Removed the Audigy , after a while ( and 2 times left disconnected from the 
wall outlet for a bit ) it sort of restarted to power on consistently on 
pressing the button, but it always ended stopping at the prom splashscreen

Invoking a manual boot resulted in this
https://snag.gy/eMHafJ.jpg

after going in circles for a bit, had the brilliant idea of doing this from the 
prom sash :
https://snag.gy/eTzqEP.jpg

thus getting more puzzled... the boot drive appeared readable, so why the scsi 
hard errors.

Then I simply reconnected the original hd, and from that one boots with no 
issues... result, probably the last or both shutdowns while the Audigy was 
plugged were not so clean.
Ideally I would prefer not to clone + upgrade + readd programs again, and I 
think that repairing the damaged installation would be better especially in 
case it happens again in the future. I've tried to ask around, but I've not got 
any hint, and if there was something in an old neko thread... well, we all know 
that those are unavailable.

Bottom line, anyone ever got in this situation and has some tips on what to do ?

Thanks in advance,

Alessandro

R: IBM junk

[Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk]

Watching all the pictures was a really good experience, especially
considering how many of those items I would never have had the chance of
seeing otherwise.

-Messaggio originale-
Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Per conto di Donald via
cctalk
Inviato: sabato 23 giugno 2018 00:34
A: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Oggetto: IBM junk

Collected stuff for over 10 years.  Moving from 2300 sq. ft. to 1400.  It
had to go. Praise the computer gods I found someone that wanted it all.

115 boxes of manuals and documents.
26 boxes of coffee mugs
73 703 boxes of stuff.
106 loose big items.

Filled the floor space of a 26' truck.

It can be viewed at http://www.ibmjunkman.com/junk/

Best viewed on a PC with decent speed connection.

Sample stuff: 360 Mod 20 panel, mod 30 panel, mod 65 panel, s/3 panel. Disk
pack and HDA up the ying yang.3850 data carts, 2321 data cell, 7340
Hypertape cartridge, a Russian equivalent, desktop chachki (tchotchke), 360
mod 70 desktop model used in 1964 World's Fair,  etc, etc.

R: WRQ Reflection 4+ DOS

[Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk]

So, more recent versions lost the ability to interact with older (niche now) 
hardware ?
Interesting... 

-Messaggio originale-
Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Per conto di Ed Sharpe via 
cctalk
Inviato: martedì 5 giugno 2018 11:36
A: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Oggetto: Re: WRQ Reflection 4+ DOS

please add smecc museum to the list. what a find this,will help for a 
treminSal for our hp 3000 37..  thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC... 

coury house/smecc
attn ed Sharpe archivistI
5802 w palmaire ave
glendale, AZ 85301

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

On Monday, June 4, 2018 Jim Carpenter via cctalk  wrote:
On 06/04/2018 09:09 PM, Alan Frisbie via cctalk wrote:
> To estimate postage, I am in Los Angeles, California.
>
> Since several people have already indicated interest, I will wait
> until the digest goes out tomorrow to give those people a chance.
> Then I will put the names in a hat and have my wife draw one.
>
> I'm very happy that I won't have to toss this in the recycle bin!
>

Hopefully the winner will be kind enough to help out others.

I didn't even know there was a version 5 for DOS, although I knew there 
was for Windows 3. Anyone happen to know what the very last version for 
DOS/Windows 3.x was?

Jim

Nekochan has been shut down :(

[Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk]

I didn't see it being mentioned here on cctalk :(

http://archive.is/dJgyQ

but I'm hearing some refugees saying that the chances of the site going back 
online are not looking good

R: Personal Communications

[Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk]

Ehm

Where are the messages ?

-Messaggio originale-
Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Per conto di Grant Taylor via 
cctalk
Inviato: sabato 19 maggio 2018 20:28
A: cctalk
Oggetto: Personal Communications

I ran across the following messages in comp.os.os2.marketplace 
(referenced from comp.os.os2.programmer.misc) and remembered that there 
were a few people talking about IBM's Personal Communications Manger 
here, particularly in the context of the P/390.  So I figured that I'd 
cross post the info.  The asking price (free + S) seems reasonable.)



-- 
Grant. . . .
unix || die

R: Next 'stack' of computers to go, IBM p7's - not classics this time

[Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk]

48.x KG for the rack version, according to the redbook.

Reminds me of the time I fell into an open traphole with a portable AS/400 in 
hand. The concrete chipped... the AS didn't have even a scratch in the paint

-Messaggio originale-
Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Per conto di Pete Lancashire 
via cctalk
Inviato: sabato 12 maggio 2018 16:31
A: Noel Chiappa; General
Oggetto: Re: Next 'stack' of computers to go, IBM p7's - not classics this time

Noel is right there is Pak Mail. But Pak Mail is not cheap and these
suckers weight a lot my guest is stack is about 300 lbs

On Sat, May 12, 2018, 6:28 AM Noel Chiappa via cctalk 
wrote:

> > From: Pete Lancashire
>
> > NO PACKING OR SHIPPING, must be local pickup.
>
> Just a reminded to everyone; most PakMail franchises are prepared to go
> somewhere off-site, pick items up where they sit, and then pack them; I've
> used this service several times for 'pick up only' items.
>
> Noel
>
>

R: Sparc Laptops

[Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk]

That's quite a lot of units.

This said the only I ever saw from real is the Voyager... there was one in my 
university computing lab, a very nice design

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Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Per conto di Michael Thompson 
via cctalk
Inviato: venerdì 11 maggio 2018 13:45
A: Michael Thompson via cctalk
Oggetto: Re: Sparc Laptops

>
> Date: Wed, 9 May 2018 13:08:51 -0400
> Subject: Re: Sparc Laptops
>
> I have a pretty cool DEC 486 laptop.  I am unsure if they made a Pentium
> laptop before they were bought out.
> http://www.vintagecomputer.net/digital/DECpc_433SLC/
> DECpc_433SLC_Premium_open2.jpg
> b
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 11:46 AM, Zane Healy via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> > I dream of owning an Alphabook.  It?s a silly dream, but it?s one I dream
> > anyway.
> >
> > I have a Sparcbook 3GS (I think that?s the model) somewhere.
> >
> > Zane
>

I have about 15 SPARC based lugables and laptops. Some are TRIgem/RDI
Britelites that have an IPC/IPX/LX motherboard inside, three Voyagers, the
rest are Tadpole SB2, SB3, SB3GX, and Ultrabooks.

  Michael Thompson

R: Sparc Laptops

[Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk]

Remote storaging ?

-Messaggio originale-
Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Per conto di Pete Lancashire 
via cctalk
Inviato: mercoledì 9 maggio 2018 19:29
A: Bill Degnan; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Oggetto: Re: Sparc Laptops

Next time I am in the storage building, I will bring the box marked
"Tadpole" home with me and see how much is inside it.

Then will see about finding it a new home

May take a month 

-pete

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 10:08 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> I have a pretty cool DEC 486 laptop.  I am unsure if they made a Pentium
> laptop before they were bought out.
> http://www.vintagecomputer.net/digital/DECpc_433SLC/
> DECpc_433SLC_Premium_open2.jpg
> b
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 11:46 AM, Zane Healy via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > > On May 9, 2018, at 2:18 AM, Pontus Pihlgren via cctalk <
> > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Let's hope that can change and we can save some of them. Anything
> > > non-x86 from Tadpole is interesting for many here I think. I would love
> > > an Alphabook!
> > >
> > > http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/47766/Tadpole-Alphabook-1/
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > > Pontus
> >
> > I dream of owning an Alphabook.  It’s a silly dream, but it’s one I dream
> > anyway.
> >
> > I have a Sparcbook 3GS (I think that’s the model) somewhere.
> >
> > Zane
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

R: Sparc Laptops

[Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk]

Uh this is going to turn interesting... you mean it would be possible to get
one very, very cheap ?

-Messaggio originale-
Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Per conto di Electronics
Plus via cctalk
Inviato: martedì 8 maggio 2018 22:21
A: conn...@connorsdomain.com; 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic
Posts'
Oggetto: RE: Sparc Laptops

I have to laugh. The Sun dealers think these are absolute junk, and most
have been destroyed. I was warned to avoid Sun laptops at all costs.
If more are wanted than these 6 please let me know. Maybe I can scare up
some more. I know the recyclers just kill them as useless old junk.

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Connor
Krukosky via cctalk
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2018 2:22 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Sparc Laptops

Thanks Cindy,

I have been looking for these machines since I have been working on an 
exhibit around the company who made these and also I know some people 
who have been looking for these things.
Email sent directly to the seller.

Thanks,
-Connor Krukosky

On 2018-05-08 14:49, Electronics Plus via cctalk wrote:
> Maybe not old enough? Not affiliated with seller, etc.
> 
> 
> 
> WTS:
> (6) Like new Tadpole/RDI/Cycle UltraSPARC II/e Laptops
> UltraSPARC 500MHz CPU
> 2GB Memory
> 60GB Disk
> Complete and tested with AC Power Supply
> ?Make Offer
> 
> 
> 
> geo...@datalease.com
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> George Seldin
> Datalease Systems
> (714) 632-6986 x200
> geo...@datalease.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cindy Croxton
> 
> Electronics Plus
> 
> 1613 Water Street
> 
> Kerrville, TX 78028
> 
> 830-370-3239 cell
> 
> sa...@elecplus.com
> 
> AOL IM elcpls
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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R: Sparc Laptops

[Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk]

Oh, very nice laptops.

I think practically everybody here could be wanting one ( think I've never
managed to  see one showing up in europe )

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Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Per conto di Electronics
Plus via cctalk
Inviato: martedì 8 maggio 2018 20:50
A: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
Oggetto: Sparc Laptops

Maybe not old enough? Not affiliated with seller, etc.

 

WTS:
(6) Like new Tadpole/RDI/Cycle UltraSPARC II/e Laptops
UltraSPARC 500MHz CPU
2GB Memory
60GB Disk
Complete and tested with AC Power Supply
?Make Offer



geo...@datalease.com


Best Regards,
George Seldin
Datalease Systems
(714) 632-6986 x200
geo...@datalease.com

 

 

Cindy Croxton

Electronics Plus

1613 Water Street

Kerrville, TX 78028

830-370-3239 cell

sa...@elecplus.com

AOL IM elcpls

 



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R: '90s era PC recommendation.

[Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk]

Windows from 1.x up to 98 SE
Linux / bsd
OS/2
NextStep
BeOS likely
Novell Netware

Likely forgot something

-Messaggio originale-
Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Per conto di ben via cctalk
Inviato: lunedì 7 maggio 2018 21:12
A: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Oggetto: Re: '90s era PC recommendation.

On 5/7/2018 10:47 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
> On 05/06/2018 12:18 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
>> Years ago I had a Compaq desktop that had PCI and EISA slots.  I'm trying
>> to re-acquire it from the friend that it went to.
> 
> Lo and behold the friend that has the old Compaq desktop agreed to sell
> it to me.  Presumably it's still in working condition.
> 
> It does have EISA and PCI slots as well as what seems to be called a
> Vocalist keyboard from Compaq.
> 
> I /think/ it's a Compaq Deskpro XL 560, but I'm not completely sure on
> the specific model.
> 
> Here's a quick link with some overview of the Deskpro XL line.
> 
> Link - Compaq Deskpro XL Desktop PC series
>   - https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c00355459/
> 
Unless you have a old copy of DOS, what OS can you get for the OLD MACHINES?
Ben.

R: SGI stuff in the UK

[Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk]

Very legit and the most reputable business seller on nekochan, plus he's an
expert on the machines

-Messaggio originale-
Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Per conto di Electronics
Plus via cctalk
Inviato: giovedì 3 maggio 2018 20:52
A: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
Oggetto: SGI stuff in the UK

 
http://www.sgidepot.co.uk/sgidepot/kybdsmice.html

 

Hopefully this one is legit? Not affiliated with seller, etc.

 

Cindy Croxton

Electronics Plus

1613 Water Street

Kerrville, TX 78028

830-370-3239 cell

sa...@elecplus.com

AOL IM elcpls

 



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R: Looking for opinions...

[Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk]

Uh.. now the big question..  how big/heavy is a microfiche viewer ?

-Messaggio originale-
Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Per conto di Mike Norris
via cctalk
Inviato: mercoledì 28 marzo 2018 21:54
A: Paul Anderson; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Oggetto: Re: Looking for opinions...

Hi Paul,


I did have a go at scanning, but I could not get a good image.


Zane came up with the idea of using a DSLR, I have tried this with a very
quick and dirty test and I think it could work, I used an original DEC
microfiche viewer, which as it happens I am looking for a home for!

So if you  wants the viewer it's yours for the shipping - I
am in UK (which might be the down side).

Regards Mike Norris

>>I found a stack of DEC microfiche  a few nights ago. It's probably 
>>about 12 inches tall, and contains PM Procedures, IPBs, Manuals, Tech 
>>Info, and several type of Logistics, BOMs, vendors, etc which I will 
>>deal with later.  Most of it is "company confidential", not that it 
>>matters anymore.  The bulk of my microfiche is still missing.

>>Thanks in advance, Paul

R: PATA hard disks, anyone?

[Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk]

"that" bad ? :S .

-Messaggio originale-
Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Per conto di Eric Smith via 
cctalk
Inviato: martedì 27 marzo 2018 20:48
A: et...@757.org; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Oggetto: Re: PATA hard disks, anyone?

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 10:19 AM, Ethan via cctalk 
wrote:

> and well... let's just say that "newer" used disks with 4 years on 
> them aren't very reliable.
>

If anyone wants some Seagate ST3000DM001 drives (3TB SATA), I've got extras!
:-(

R: PATA hard disks, anyone?

[Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk]

Well, but with dban and/or other certified software the drives are as well as 
new. The only issue would be the time/cost to sanitize them in house.

-Messaggio originale-
Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Per conto di Chuck Guzis via 
cctalk
Inviato: lunedì 26 marzo 2018 20:18
A: Guy N. via cctalk
Oggetto: Re: PATA hard disks, anyone?

On 03/25/2018 07:32 PM, Guy N. via cctalk wrote:
> The new sysadmin at work is clearing out closets full of junk^H^H^H^H 
> cool old stuff accumulated by the previous sysadmin.  There's a big 
> carton full of PATA hard disks.  Most of them are in the 4.3 GB - 20 
> GB range, a few larger, a few smaller.
> 
> Anyone have any use for these?  You can have them for the cost of 
> shipping, or free for local pickup in Bothell, WA.  They're going to 
> be recycled as scrap if I don't find a home for them.

I'm surprised that your sysadmin is allowing this to happen.  Many large 
outfits have a policy of sending any hard disk, regardless of content to the 
industrial shredders.

--Chuck

R: R: AlphaServers

[Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk]

No converters,

in the vms only box I've 2 original dec branded disks ( rz2cc-kb , 4gb disk )
in the other I swapped out one of them to put a normal scsi 68 hd for tru64. I 
think an Atlas, 36 or 72gb
Added a dvd and a floppy unit in each, too.

Each has standard a 2nd dec network card ( 10mb + coax ) , PBXGB-AA, 2nd dec 
scsi controller. One has a 3rd 10/100 dec network card

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Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Per conto di Douglas Taylor 
via cctalk
Inviato: mercoledì 21 marzo 2018 19:17
A: Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk
Oggetto: Re: R: AlphaServers

On 3/21/2018 9:58 AM, Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk wrote:
> Two Digital Pws 500/au, one with vms (8.4), one with vms (8.4) and tru64 
> (latest version, supposedly)
>
> -Messaggio originale-
> Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Per conto di John Blake via 
> cctalk
> Inviato: mercoledì 21 marzo 2018 10:49
> A: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Oggetto: Re: AlphaServers
>
> I've got two, the first being an 3000/400 64mb with two 146 gb SCSI-320 
> drives running on converters, one with openBSD 6 and the other with openvms 
> 8.4 running headless.  I doubt I'll ever be able to find the monitor, much 
> less the needed cables and keyboard/mouse to turn it into the desktop it was 
> supposed to be, so I've got a color turbochannel framebuffer if anyone has 
> any use for it.  The second is an alphaserver ds10l with the 617mhz EV67 
> processor, 1.5 gb ram and a radeon video card on the sole pci port, which 
> runs openvms 8.4 on one hard drive and the most recent available version of 
> unsupported debian linux on the other (I think it's sid?) as a workstation.
>
> Nekochan.net is a fair resource for hobbyist knowledge, possibly the only 
> place online where people are still futzing about with Tru64.
> comp.os.vms on usenet (or the info-vax email gateway) is where all of the 
> latest news and deep tech discussion goes on.  vcfed.org has a very healthy 
> DEC forum too.
>
>
What are the drives and converters are you using?

R: AlphaServers

[Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk]

Two Digital Pws 500/au, one with vms (8.4), one with vms (8.4) and tru64 
(latest version, supposedly)

-Messaggio originale-
Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Per conto di John Blake via 
cctalk
Inviato: mercoledì 21 marzo 2018 10:49
A: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Oggetto: Re: AlphaServers

I've got two, the first being an 3000/400 64mb with two 146 gb SCSI-320 drives 
running on converters, one with openBSD 6 and the other with openvms 8.4 
running headless.  I doubt I'll ever be able to find the monitor, much less the 
needed cables and keyboard/mouse to turn it into the desktop it was supposed to 
be, so I've got a color turbochannel framebuffer if anyone has any use for it.  
The second is an alphaserver ds10l with the 617mhz EV67 processor, 1.5 gb ram 
and a radeon video card on the sole pci port, which runs openvms 8.4 on one 
hard drive and the most recent available version of unsupported debian linux on 
the other (I think it's sid?) as a workstation.

Nekochan.net is a fair resource for hobbyist knowledge, possibly the only place 
online where people are still futzing about with Tru64. 
comp.os.vms on usenet (or the info-vax email gateway) is where all of the 
latest news and deep tech discussion goes on.  vcfed.org has a very healthy DEC 
forum too.

R: AlphaServers

[Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk]

I hope the answer is "no" :S

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Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Per conto di Pete Lancashire 
via cctalk
Inviato: mercoledì 14 marzo 2018 17:15
A: Toby Thain; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Oggetto: Re: AlphaServers

so  do the 3 macines go in the scrap pile ?

https://photos.app.goo.gl/fx4Dw6RrQgVJBXWo1

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 6:54 AM, Toby Thain via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> 
wrote:

> On 2018-03-14 6:55 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
> > On 14 March 2018 at 11:06, Adrian Graham via cctalk 
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm in the process of giving
> >> some of them away though because they take up too much room.
> >
> > The OpenBSD project are, or were, looking for donations of high-end 
> > VAXstations. I offered them a VAXstation 4000/60 (Red Hat offered to 
> > sponsor shipping from London to Canada) but after some 
> > toing-and-froing, Theo DeRaadt turned it down.
>
> OpenBSD can't support VAX-11 any longer, unless somebody implements 
> TLS for that architecture (which I believe would need major toolchain 
> work?)
>
> http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article=20160309192510
>
> That would explain why they no longer want VAX-11 hardware.
>
> --Toby
>
> >
> > Unfortunately, I believe RH has now lost my machine. :-(
> >
> > But if anyone is willing to donate a /90 or similar, he might be
> interested.
> >
>
>
>

R: AlphaServers

[Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk]

Lucky snatch, especially the Tru64 boxes (envy)

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Inviato: martedì 13 marzo 2018 08:54
A: Benjamin Huntsman; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Oggetto: Re: AlphaServers

I know of 3 desk side DS's, one was fully operational before going into 
storage, all ran when I got them.

boxes of new Tru64 still shrink wrapped, and a binder full of keys for > 20 
Alpha's

-pete

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:25 PM, Benjamin Huntsman via cctalk < 
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Place your wagers...
>
>
> How many more years do you think it'll take before decent, 
> practical-sized Alphas, like the DS15, and to some degree, the DS10, 
> will be obtainable at hobbyist-friendly prices?
>
>
> I have an ES47 I got for a price I could stomach, but it's sans rail 
> kit, drinks power like it's going out of style, and can anchor a 40-ft yacht.
>
>
> Anyone out there do Alphas anymore?
>
>

R: OpenVMS software repositories?

[Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk]

Tin user here.

Just use : diesel.cu.mi.it  as usenet server
(another alternative would be registering for a free free.xsusenet.com account, 
but that one needs to be renewed every few weeks. Anyway they warn and send a 
link every time)

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Inviato: giovedì 8 febbraio 2018 16:40
A: Bill Gunshannon; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Oggetto: Re: OpenVMS software repositories?


> On Feb 8, 2018, at 5:28 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 02/07/2018 10:30 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
>>> On Feb 7, 2018, at 7:22 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 02/07/2018 06:35 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
 What sites still exist that have VMS software?  I know the about the 
 OpenVMS Freeware CD’s from HP VMS Engineering.
>>> I'd suggest that you redirect your question to the comp.os.vms newsgroup.  
>>> I frequently see discussions there about software archives. In fact, you 
>>> can probably search an archive of the group and find some answers to your 
>>> question.
>> I need to see about getting back on comp.os.vms, I’ve not been active there 
>> in a decade.
>> 
>> 
> 
> Don't worry, it hasn't changed a bit.  :-)
> 
> bill

I’m sure.  I just need to figure out how to get access, preferably with ’tin'.  
One of the reasons I dropped off was time, another was my ISP dropping USENET 
access.

Zane

R: Large discs

[Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk]

The M kind of dvd supports guarantee over 1000 years of retention, and
resistance to acid/alien invasion/etc

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Inviato: venerdì 5 gennaio 2018 21:45
A: Warner Losh; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Oggetto: Re: Large discs



> On Jan 5, 2018, at 3:24 PM, Warner Losh via cctalk 
wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 1:13 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk 
> > wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 5 Jan 2018, Mazzini Alessandro wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm  not sure I would use SSD for long term "secure" storage, unless 
>>> maybe using enterprise level ones.
>>> Consumer level SSD are, by specifics, guaranteed to retain data for 
>>> 6 months
>>> 
>> 
> The JEDEC spec for Consumer grade SSDs is 1 year unpowered at 30C at 
> end of life.
> The JEDEC spec for Enterprise grade SSDs is 90 days, unpowered at 30C 
> at end of life.

That's curious.  Then again, end of life for enterprise SSDs is many
thousands of write passes over the full disk (or the same amount of writes
to smaller address ranges thanks to remapping).  Under high but not insane
loads that takes 5-7 years.  So presumably the retention while fairly new
(not very worn) is much better.  Still it's surprising to see a number that
small.

> As far as I've seen, all SATA and NVME drive vendors adhere to these 
> specs as a minimum, but there's also a new class of drive for 'cold
storage'
> which has high retention, but low endurance and longer data read times...

I don't know if the "cold storage" SSD stuff is going anywhere.  But in any
case, it seems to aim at high density at the expense of low endurance.  I
don't remember hearing retention discussed at all, higher or unchanged.

Having drives with limited retention seems quite problematic.  And
"unpowered" suggests that leaving the power on would help -- but I don't see
why that would be so.

As for writable DVDs and such, do they have any useful retention specs?  

paul

R: Large discs (Was: Spectre & Meltdown

[Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk]

I'm  not sure I would use SSD for long term "secure" storage, unless maybe
using enterprise level ones.
Consumer level SSD are, by specifics, guaranteed to retain data for 6 months
if unpowered... any more time means being lucky. Would suck to save, store,
and after some years find the data mangled...

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Inviato: venerdì 5 gennaio 2018 03:38
A: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Oggetto: Large discs (Was: Spectre & Meltdown

On Thu, 4 Jan 2018, TeoZ wrote:
> Hard drives NEVER keep up. Bragging about how many DVD's (90's 
> technology) you can store on current HD means little to people who 
> have ultra HD Blueray videos that take up to 100GB of space. Heck even 
> a single game download can be 50GB these days.

I'd be interested in hearing about opinions of the 100GB "M-disc".  I've
heard that they have decent longevity, and, the "low" capacity ones are
interchangeable with conventional DVDs.

I can still put 20 100GB DVDs (2017 technology) on a 2TB 2.5" Thin SATA.
However, I'm also looking for multi-terabyte storage.
Are higher capacity DVDs on their way?
Howzbout multi-TearByte SSDs?


> And I wouldn't mind one of those old networked DVD changers (I think 
> Sony sold them commercially) to play around with.

I still want one of the ones that Kieth Hensen designed. Converting it from
CD to DVD would be completely TRIVIAL (finding DVD drives with suitable form
factors and loading options)

--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com




> I always wanted Keith Hensen's "Kubik"? CD changer.  Big "carousel 
> slide tray" full of 240?! CDs/DVDs, in a square box, with a drive in 
> each corner.  The drives were SCSI, and the load/unload/select control 
> was RS232. The big square boxes could be stacked, for a larger 
> collection, and there was a trivial mod to make the tray removable, so 
> that the top box could be swapped with as many trays as you had shelf
space for.
>
> 'course hard drives caught up, and I now have about a thousand DVDs in 
> MP4s on a shirt pocket HDD.  (including ALL of the Doctor Who's that 
> were released on DVD, Red Dwarf 1 - XII, Dark Matter, Torchwood, 
> Twilight Zone, Prisoner, Marx Brothers, Doc Martin, One Foot In The 
> Grave, etc.) The DVD images (V .MP4) take over 5TB.

NEC D2246 SMD Disk Drives on ebay , brand new sealed old stock

[Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk]

Maybe someone is interested.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEC-D2246-8-0-FHT-SMD-DISK-DRIVE-UN-TESTED-NEW-OLD-S
TOCK-RARE-VINTAGE-/253049784698

apparently new old stock, sealed, and in quantity

(I'm not related)

R: Olivetti Programma 101 on EBay

[Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk]

We could debate about wang having a precedence. Various consider the 
Programma101 the real first personal computer

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Inviato: sabato 19 agosto 2017 20:55
A: Rick Bensene via cctalk
Oggetto: Re: Olivetti Programma 101 on EBay

On 08/19/2017 11:00 AM, Rick Bensene via cctalk wrote:

> The Programma 101 is indeed a benchmark machine in electronic calculator 
> history.   While not the first programmable electronic calculator as many 
> claim, it definitely set the standard for a long time (especially during this 
> particularly frenetic period of electronics development), until the HP 9100A 
> came out in '68.  I don't want to diminish its place in history in any 
> way.  But...

It's interesting that there appear to be relatively few listing for old
Wang calculators.   Surely they hold precedence over the Olivetti boxes
and the HP ones.

I can vaguely remember sitting in front of a LOCI-2 and giving up trying to 
figure it out.

--Chuck

R: VCF West: 90's Workstations On Consignment for $5 each

[Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk]

Sigh (envy), I need to relocate to US. Does anyone need a poor engineer ?

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Inviato: sabato 5 agosto 2017 08:39
A: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Oggetto: VCF West: 90's Workstations On Consignment for $5 each

I've loaded up the car and will be putting the following in the Consignment 
Room at VCF West in the morning. These were all rescued from Mesa Electronics a 
couple months ago.

I'm asking for a $5 donation to VCFed for 24 of these items, just to support 
the event (one is free). There are multiple examples of most of
these:

 - Personal DECstation 5000/25 (MIPS)
 - DECstation 5000/1xx (MIPS)
 - DECstation 5000/240 (MIPS)
 - DEC 3000/300 (Alpha)
 - DEC 3000/400 (Alpha)
 - DEC 3000/600 (Alpha)
 - HP 712/80 (PA-RISC)
 - HP 715/80 (PS-RISC)
 - IBM POWERstation 230 (RS/6000)


Hope to see you there,
--Steve.

R: Help cloning an SGI boot drive

[Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk]

I can only answer partially... I can change the id to allow to have both the hd 
connected only in 10/12 hours, so no fx until then.

The script I used is betxen's , and the prom settings are correct ( the old hd 
boots once reconnected )

SystemPartition=dksc(0,1,8)
OSLoadPartition=dksc(0,1,0)
OSLoader=sash
OSLoadFilename=/unix



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Inviato: lunedì 29 maggio 2017 01:38
A: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Oggetto: Re: Help cloning an SGI boot drive

On 28/05/2017 23:45, Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk wrote:

> I tried to clone a boot drive ( on a bigger one ), using one of the 
> scripts on nekochan. The disk was initialized , labelled then 
> formatted by the script, and cloned. The data is present if I mount it
>
> The issue starts when I change the id and try to boot from it...

What is the script?  The best online resource I can suggest is Ian Mapleson's 
page on cloning, at http://www.sgidepot.co.uk/disksfiles.html#CLONE (use the 
tar method if the disk is EFS rather than XFS).  I do this quite often without 
any issue, mostly on Indys, though I use tar slightly differently (to exclude 
/proc and mounts).

If you boot with the original working disk, with the clone connected, what does 
fx(1M) show for the clone?
[start fx (you need to be root), select the controller, drive,and LUN 0, then 
do label, show, all]

>> From Prom, ls gives :
>
> dksc(0,1,8)/:
> sgilabel sash symmon
> esf read error, bad count
> no file
> system found for "/".

and what does the output of nvram(1M) show, especially for SystemPartition and 
OSLoadPartition?

--
Pete
Pete Turnbull

Help cloning an SGI boot drive

[Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk]

Hello,

I tried to clone a boot drive ( on a bigger one ), using one of the scripts on 
nekochan.
The disk was initialized , labelled

Then formatted by the script, and cloned. The data is present if I mount it

The issue starts when I change the id and try to boot from it... this is what I 
get 


esf read error, bad count
esf read error, bad count
no file system found for "unix".
unable to execute dksc(0,1,0)unix: media not loaded

autoboot failed
dksc(0,1,0)unix: media not loaded


>From Prom, ls gives :

dksc(0,1,8)/:
sgilabel sash symmon
esf read error, bad count
no file system found for "/".


Any suggestion is accepted.

Alessandro

Question about an SGI Fuel issue / fuel sensors ( current - temp )

[Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk]

Hello,

Since there are a lot of experts here ( I guess, at least ), I would like for 
an opinion / ideas / knowledge.

I've been told that the temperature sensors on Fuels are subject to get 
defective.
Is the same valid for current sensors ?

The question is due to this... I just got a Fuel donated to me, very kindly, 
that didn't turn on once I tried to. (the old owner didn't turn it on in a 
while, I was told)
I've connected to the L1 diagnostic serial port on the mb and ...
The env system prevents it from turning on for 2 reasons

1) XIO V12 bias with a value of 5.81 , considered too low
2) Odyssey temp fix at 93c at box turned off

But I managed to run env while the 30 seconds timer announcing the power down 
were running and... it shows that 12V and 12V IO are perfect with the psu 
"running" so... any idea if the xio v12 bias sensor is connected with the 
odyssey temp sensor and thus could be simply faulty.
I could do a test turning off env monitoring, but I would prefer to do it only 
after hearing opinions . given I don't know what kind of damages could happen 
if v12 bias is right , instead, and the system is brought up

Environmental monitoring is enabled and running.

DescriptionState   Warning Limits Fault Limits   Current
-- --  -  -  ---
   12VEnabled  10%  10.80/ 13.20  20%   9.60/ 14.40   12.12
12V IOEnabled  10%  10.80/ 13.20  20%   9.60/ 14.40   12.19
5VEnabled  10%   4.50/  5.50  20%   4.00/  6.005.10
  3.3VEnabled  10%   2.97/  3.63  20%   2.64/  3.963.35
  2.5VEnabled  10%   2.25/  2.75  20%   2.00/  3.002.47
  1.5VEnabled  10%   1.35/  1.65  20%   1.20/  1.801.47
5V auxEnabled  10%   4.50/  5.50  20%   4.00/  6.005.12
  3.3V auxEnabled  10%   2.97/  3.63  20%   2.64/  3.963.29
PIMM0 12V biasEnabled  10%  10.80/ 13.20  20%   9.60/ 14.400.00
  Asterix SRAMEnabled  10%   2.25/  2.75  20%   2.00/  3.002.52
   Asterix CPUEnabled  10%   1.44/  1.76  20%   1.28/  1.921.61
PIMM0 1.5VEnabled  10%   1.35/  1.65  20%   1.20/  1.800.00
PIMM0 3.3V auxEnabled  10%   2.97/  3.63  20%   2.64/  3.963.30
  PIMM0 5V auxEnabled  10%   4.50/  5.50  20%   4.00/  6.005.15
  XIO 12V bias  Fault  10%  10.80/ 13.20  20%   9.60/ 14.405.81
XIO 5VEnabled  10%   4.50/  5.50  20%   4.00/  6.002.42
  XIO 2.5VEnabled  10%   2.25/  2.75  20%   2.00/  3.001.21
  XIO 3.3V auxEnabled  10%   2.97/  3.63  20%   2.64/  3.961.60

DescriptionState   Warning RPM  Current RPM
-- --  ---  ---
FAN 0  EXHAUSTEnabled  920 1129
FAN 1   HDEnabled 1560 2229
FAN 2  PCIEnabled 1120 1476
FAN 3XIO 1Enabled 1600 3869
FAN 4XIO 2Enabled 1600 3699
FAN 5   PSEnabled 1600 1980

   Advisory  Critical  Fault Current
DescriptionState   Temp  Temp  Temp  Temp
-- --        -
NODE 0Enabled  60C/140F  65C/149F  70C/158F  20c/ 68F
NODE 1Enabled  60C/140F  65C/149F  70C/158F  21c/ 69F
NODE 2Enabled  60C/140F  65C/149F  70C/158F  20c/ 68F
PIMM  Enabled  60C/140F  65C/149F  70C/158F  20c/ 68F
ODYSSEYActive  60C/140F  65C/149F  70C/158F  93c/199F
BEDROCK   Enabled  60C/140F  65C/149F  70C/158F  20c/ 68F



Alessandro

R: IBM AS400 questions

[Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk]

>From an experience with an older model ( so it may not be significant , I've 
>just a 9401-p03 ), the only way to know if it likes another scsi tape unit is 
>to try it... one may be liked and another no, depending on the tape firmware. 
>Same consideration goes for booting from such tape drive.

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Inviato: martedì 11 aprile 2017 05:13
A: Pontus Pihlgren
Cc: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts; General Discussion: 
On-Topic Posts
Oggetto: Re: IBM AS400 questions

Made some progress with the AS400. Looks like one of the hard drives has 
failed, it stated that if another disk fails then there could be a loss of data.

Plan was to back up the system to a couple of 8GB QIC tapes, however looking at 
my tapes they turned out to be only QIC525 MB tapes, and are not enough to back 
up the entire machine.  Shopping around, i am not seeing 8GB tapes for less 
than $40, which is kinda costly. I do not know how to determine the total size 
of files on the system, or how many tapes the completed backup will be. There 
is a scsi port on the back of the machine.
If i pick up an ibm branded drive, can i connect just any ibm branded tape 
drive, or do i need a specific model? I recall seeing a 8MM drive at the place 
where i got it , and possibly an external dat drive as well. I have plenty of 
dat tapes, I am trying to get a drive where the media has a higher capacity / 
lower cost.

I read that there is a printer port on the back of my Infowindow II terminal, 
do i need a special ibm printer? if not, i have a good dot matrix printer here 
with a box of paper that should do the job.

Leaving it powered down after tonight until i can make a complete save.
Thanks to all for the advice so far. Really steep learning curve but quite an 
interesting machine.

--Devin



On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 2:33 AM, Pontus Pihlgren 
wrote:

> Hi Devin
>
> Have you subscribed to MIDRANGE-L ? http://lists.midrange.com/
>
> They might help you out. Also, if you would document your findings I 
> would be very greatful. I have a model 170 on my todo-list.
>
> /P
>
> On Sun, Apr 09, 2017 at 12:21:17PM -0400, devin davison via cctalk wrote:
> > Alright, it was quite a while back that I picked up my ibm AS400 
> > model
> 170.
> > I had asked some questions on the list, it was locked with a 
> > password
> and i
> > could not get into the machine. I finally got around to getting into 
> > the machine and am at the main menu. Before i do anything, I want to 
> > back up the machine. I have a couple of tapes.
> >
> > I am not familiar with os/400 at all, the intention is to backup the 
> > machine so in the event of a hardware failure I will be able to 
> > reinstall and still have a licenced install.
> >
> > I come from the sgi land, usually from the prom there is the HINV 
> > command to give a nice hardware inventory of the machine, is there a 
> > similar command in the ibm world? I want to find what options are 
> > installed, cpu and memory details, etc.
> >
> > Any advice on what to do from here is much appreciated. I just want 
> > to
> get
> > the thing backed up and rest assured that if the drives fail i can 
> > reinstall the os and it have its license.
> >
> > --Devin
>