Re: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner
On 2/19/2019 2:14 PM, geneb via cctalk wrote: This message brought to you by the Totalitarian Touch Tone Terrorists(tm). g. How ever SMART PHONES have taken OVER. AI's rule the world. Evil computer laugh!
Re: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner
lots of piles of phones... some areas a real mess... this guy gets the hoarder award for wooden phone cascaras back when the payphone biz went privatized and legal also that way Ron had conversion kits... he did well in the make your kitchen into a country kitchen craze sold lots of cobbled to work oak phones for the kitchen. there was a good market back in the 70s not much now though the old people that remember the 'LASSIE" wood phone in their house as kids are dying off now... really interesting guy very odd business model ed# In a message dated 2/20/2019 11:26:20 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: So...how 'bout them phones? (hint, hint) Does anyone know if they have any CO stuff? (only a tiny, tiny fraction of telephone collectors care, even a tiny bit, about CO stuff) -- Will
Re: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner
So...how 'bout them phones? (hint, hint) Does anyone know if they have any CO stuff? (only a tiny, tiny fraction of telephone collectors care, even a tiny bit, about CO stuff) -- Will
Re: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner
If a company (or its owners if not shielded from liability) has any assets in the EU they can be seized (up to 4% of the company's total value) for violating GDPR. Apparently, Lee Enterprises has assets in Europe, and doesn't want to spend the non-trivial time, effort and expense (or lost revenue) to achieve compliance. On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 11:42 AM Grant Taylor via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 02/19/2019 10:18 AM, geneb via cctalk wrote: > > So basically, they're blocking EU users from a website due to a law that > > has no effect in the US? Amazing. > > I thought I had heard from a number of people that GDPR could still bite > people in other countries. I don't remember the how, just that it could > be done. > > > > -- > Grant. . . . > unix || die > -- Eric Korpela korp...@ssl.berkeley.edu AST:7731^29u18e3
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> From: Grant Taylor > I agree with your logic. > However your valid logic Anyone who thinks logic starting from common sense has anything to do with the workings of legal systems is likely in for a rude awakening at some point. Noel
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 17:16, geneb via cctalk wrote: > Based on what I've read, the only possible way the GDPR could apply to a > US company (with no EU physical presence) is if you're selling or > marketing directly to EU citizens. This could be but it's quite a widespread problem. E.g. If I go to: https://www.nydailynews.com/ or I get: https://www.tribpub.com/gdpr/nydailynews.com/ « Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in most European countries. We are engaged on the issue and committed to looking at options that support our full range of digital offerings to the EU market. We continue to identify technical compliance solutions that will provide all readers with our award-winning journalism. » See: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/05/25/tronc_chicago_tribune_la_times_gdpr_lock_out_eu_users/ TBH mostly I neither know nor care. Occasionally I click a link and get a blanket "sorry, no" message. Also applies to lots of Youtube videos: I just get a "video unavailable" message. -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 - ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053
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That was meant to say... Or: https://www.chicagotribune.com/ -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 - ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053
Re: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner
I found this link from forbes on this issue. Apologies in advance as this site has lots of ads on it, but it is forbes.com https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbestechcouncil/2017/12/04/yes-the-gdpr-will-affect-your-u-s-based-business/#4fb0c03d6ff2 From: cctalk on behalf of geneb via cctalk Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 11:15 AM To: Grant Taylor; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner On Wed, 20 Feb 2019, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > On 2/20/19 7:39 AM, geneb wrote: >> They may have a physical presence in the EU, which would cause the GDPR to >> apply to them. However, for companies with no physical presense in the EU, >> I don't see how the law could apply. > > I agree with your logic. > > However your valid logic is contrary to my understanding. > > I've seen reference to too many entities that don't have a presence in the EU > that are doing things like blocking EU access to websites specifically > because of GDPR. > > I don't have details on /how/ GDPR applies or /why/ people in the US are > running scared of it. But I've seen many references to people doing exactly > that. Based on what I've read, the only possible way the GDPR could apply to a US company (with no EU physical presence) is if you're selling or marketing directly to EU citizens. For the sites and "services" I provide, the EU is invited to see Figure One. ;) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
Re: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner
On Wed, 20 Feb 2019, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: On 2/20/19 7:39 AM, geneb wrote: They may have a physical presence in the EU, which would cause the GDPR to apply to them. However, for companies with no physical presense in the EU, I don't see how the law could apply. I agree with your logic. However your valid logic is contrary to my understanding. I've seen reference to too many entities that don't have a presence in the EU that are doing things like blocking EU access to websites specifically because of GDPR. I don't have details on /how/ GDPR applies or /why/ people in the US are running scared of it. But I've seen many references to people doing exactly that. Based on what I've read, the only possible way the GDPR could apply to a US company (with no EU physical presence) is if you're selling or marketing directly to EU citizens. For the sites and "services" I provide, the EU is invited to see Figure One. ;) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
Re: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner
> On Feb 20, 2019, at 10:53 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk > wrote: > > On 2/20/19 7:39 AM, geneb wrote: >> They may have a physical presence in the EU, which would cause the GDPR to >> apply to them. However, for companies with no physical presense in the EU, >> I don't see how the law could apply. > > I agree with your logic. > > However your valid logic is contrary to my understanding. > > I've seen reference to too many entities that don't have a presence in the EU > that are doing things like blocking EU access to websites specifically > because of GDPR. There is ample precedent for small companies staying away from stuff because of fear of regulations or other legal hassles (like certain software licenses). Those fears aren't necessarily based on solid foundations. But when the possible downside is major legal hassles and bad publicity, and even investigating the potential threat is expensive (paying specialized lawyers in various countries) it makes sense simply to stay away and incur no risk. paul
Re: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner
On 2/20/19 7:39 AM, geneb wrote: They may have a physical presence in the EU, which would cause the GDPR to apply to them. However, for companies with no physical presense in the EU, I don't see how the law could apply. I agree with your logic. However your valid logic is contrary to my understanding. I've seen reference to too many entities that don't have a presence in the EU that are doing things like blocking EU access to websites specifically because of GDPR. I don't have details on /how/ GDPR applies or /why/ people in the US are running scared of it. But I've seen many references to people doing exactly that. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2019, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: On 02/19/2019 01:17 PM, geneb via cctalk wrote: I'd be very interested in how that would be possible. I don't know. But I do know that there are a lot of companies here in the US that are filtering their website like this. They may have a physical presence in the EU, which would cause the GDPR to apply to them. However, for companies with no physical presense in the EU, I don't see how the law could apply. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2019, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: I think it's useful to have one or two for exhibits of old modems and period systems that would have used a phone coupler. For that reason, a nice 1965 model would be good to have Well, you do need a classic handset for any acoustic coupler. Although W.E. "Celebrity" novelty handset will work. https://www.ebay.com/itm/233136060428 > > I have a fondness for old rotary dial phones, especially ones like > > they used in movies and TV shows set in the '40s and '50s. I've > > never managed to acquire one. I'd love to have a few of them, but > > not that many. :-) > go to garage sales ' > thy turn up there. There are a few on eBay.
Re: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner
I think it's useful to have one or two for exhibits of old modems and period systems that would have used a phone coupler. For that reason, a nice 1965 model would be good to have On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 8:46 PM ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: > go to garage sales ' > thy turn up there. > In a message dated 2/19/2019 1:57:35 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 09:58:00AM -0600, John Foust via cctalk wrote: > > > Old tech, but not computers: > > I have a fondness for old rotary dial phones, especially ones like they > used > in movies and TV shows set in the '40s and '50s. I've never managed to > acquire one. I'd love to have a few of them, but not that many. :-) > > > > > -- > > Kevin > http://www.RawFedDogs.net > http://www.Lassie.xyz > http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org > Bruceville, TX > > What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! > Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum. >
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go to garage sales ' thy turn up there. In a message dated 2/19/2019 1:57:35 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 09:58:00AM -0600, John Foust via cctalk wrote: > Old tech, but not computers: I have a fondness for old rotary dial phones, especially ones like they used in movies and TV shows set in the '40s and '50s. I've never managed to acquire one. I'd love to have a few of them, but not that many. :-) -- Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.Lassie.xyz http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
Re: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner
> From: Grant Taylor
> I do know that there are a lot of companies here in the US that are
> filtering their website like this.
It does go both ways; a while back, a vintage rail site I read regularly
('Weekend Rails') moved to a new hosting service, and that service filtered
out and refused attempts from the US to read any of the sites they hosted (it
wasn't at the site owner's request; I asked). So I had to use a European-based
proxy for a while to get to it.
Noel
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> On Feb 19, 2019, at 7:31 PM, Guy Dunphy via cctalk > wrote: > > At 01:11 PM 19/02/2019 -0800, you wrote: Old tech, but not computers: https://madison.com/business/galesville-antique-phone-dealers-looking-to-offload-vast-collection/article_b1845009-c861-50ff-82c8-60a15866fc6d.html >> >> On Tue, 19 Feb 2019, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: >>> 451: Unavailable due to legal reasons >>> We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country >> >> We must prevent advanced rotary dial technology from falling into the >> wrong hands! > > > Amusing, but that isn't anything close to what it's about. > >> 451: Unavailable due to legal reasons >> We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country >> belonging >> to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the >> General >> Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore access cannot be granted at >> this time. For any issues, contact hostmas...@madison.com or call >> 800-362-8333. > > The EU's GDPR is supposed to be about 'protecting personal data privacy', but > seems > more like another Globalist attempt to cripple the Internet by imposing > unreasonable > and near-impossible to comply with regulations. > > Guy This and many other examples of Internet censorship can be avoided by using TOR -- which is a nice browser for any number of other reasons too. paul
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At 01:11 PM 19/02/2019 -0800, you wrote: >>> Old tech, but not computers: >>> https://madison.com/business/galesville-antique-phone-dealers-looking-to-offload-vast-collection/article_b1845009-c861-50ff-82c8-60a15866fc6d.html > >On Tue, 19 Feb 2019, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: >> 451: Unavailable due to legal reasons >> We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country > >We must prevent advanced rotary dial technology from falling into the >wrong hands! Amusing, but that isn't anything close to what it's about. >451: Unavailable due to legal reasons >We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging >to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the General >Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore access cannot be granted at >this time. For any issues, contact hostmas...@madison.com or call 800-362-8333. The EU's GDPR is supposed to be about 'protecting personal data privacy', but seems more like another Globalist attempt to cripple the Internet by imposing unreasonable and near-impossible to comply with regulations. Guy
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On 02/19/2019 01:17 PM, geneb via cctalk wrote: I'd be very interested in how that would be possible. I don't know. But I do know that there are a lot of companies here in the US that are filtering their website like this. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2019, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: Old tech, but not computers: https://madison.com/business/galesville-antique-phone-dealers-looking-to-offload-vast-collection/article_b1845009-c861-50ff-82c8-60a15866fc6d.html On Tue, 19 Feb 2019, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: 451: Unavailable due to legal reasons We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country We must prevent advanced rotary dial technology from falling into the wrong hands! This message brought to you by the Totalitarian Touch Tone Terrorists(tm). g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
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Old tech, but not computers: https://madison.com/business/galesville-antique-phone-dealers-looking-to-offload-vast-collection/article_b1845009-c861-50ff-82c8-60a15866fc6d.html On Tue, 19 Feb 2019, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: 451: Unavailable due to legal reasons We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country We must prevent advanced rotary dial technology from falling into the wrong hands!
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On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 09:58:00AM -0600, John Foust via cctalk wrote: > Old tech, but not computers: I have a fondness for old rotary dial phones, especially ones like they used in movies and TV shows set in the '40s and '50s. I've never managed to acquire one. I'd love to have a few of them, but not that many. :-) -- Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.Lassie.xyz http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2019, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: On 02/19/2019 10:18 AM, geneb via cctalk wrote: So basically, they're blocking EU users from a website due to a law that has no effect in the US? Amazing. I thought I had heard from a number of people that GDPR could still bite people in other countries. I don't remember the how, just that it could be done. I'd be very interested in how that would be possible. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
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On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 09:58:00AM -0600, John Foust via cctalk wrote: > Old tech, but not computers: > > https://madison.com/business/galesville-antique-phone-dealers-looking-to-offload-vast-collection/article_b1845009-c861-50ff-82c8-60a15866fc6d.html Interesting, but what does it have to do with Kemners Surplus? -- Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.Lassie.xyz http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
Re: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner
On 02/19/2019 10:18 AM, geneb via cctalk wrote: So basically, they're blocking EU users from a website due to a law that has no effect in the US? Amazing. I thought I had heard from a number of people that GDPR could still bite people in other countries. I don't remember the how, just that it could be done. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
Re: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner
On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 11:03 AM Peter Coghlan via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > Old tech, but not computers: > > > > > https://madison.com/business/galesville-antique-phone-dealers-looking-to-offload-vast-collection/article_b1845009-c861-50ff-82c8-60a15866fc6d.html > > > > > Definitely something funky with the website. I ended up doing a quick select-all, copy to get the story before the page regenerated to 'lost connection' status. I bought some equipment from PhoneCo in person back in the 90s when antique phones were still holding their value and even then the experience was, to put it politely, a real mess. Crumbling buildings, piles upon piles of dusty, busted up surplus phones. Truckloads of equipment sitting out in the elements. Finding a buyer today will be a challenge, to say the least. -C
Re: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: Old tech, but not computers: https://madison.com/business/galesville-antique-phone-dealers-looking-to-offload-vast-collection/article_b1845009-c861-50ff-82c8-60a15866fc6d.html 451: Unavailable due to legal reasons We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore access cannot be granted at this time. For any issues, contact hostmas...@madison.com or call 800-362-8333. So basically, they're blocking EU users from a website due to a law that has no effect in the US? Amazing. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
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this guy is amazing In a message dated 2/19/2019 10:03:23 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > Old tech, but not computers: > > https://madison.com/business/galesville-antique-phone-dealers-looking-to-offload-vast-collection/article_b1845009-c861-50ff-82c8-60a15866fc6d.html >
OT: Phone museum seeks new owner
Old tech, but not computers: https://madison.com/business/galesville-antique-phone-dealers-looking-to-offload-vast-collection/article_b1845009-c861-50ff-82c8-60a15866fc6d.html - John
