Re: HP 9816 CP/M-68K

2018-02-12 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 3:56 PM, js--- via cctalk wrote: > That's really "slick," Glen.If it's not too burdensome to give a brief > answer, how would you keep track of the time, or know how long feeding a > byte at a time took? > On an original PC or XT (without special turbo modes of clones

Re: HP 9816 CP/M-68K

2018-02-12 Thread Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk
> On Feb 12, 2018, at 3:00 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > > Most don't believe me what I say that the floppy disc dates from 1946. And the fax was invented in 1842 (yes *before* the telephone)! TTFN - Guy

Re: HP 9816 CP/M-68K

2018-02-12 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 02/12/2018 01:55 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > Thank you! > Although these days, it's just curiousity and nostalgia. Yup. The shame is that some of the more advanced 765-based FDCs came in just as the floppy was sunsetting. For example, the Intel 82078 boasts, among other things, a 2Mbp

Re: HP 9816 CP/M-68K

2018-02-12 Thread js--- via cctalk
On 2/12/2018 3:52 PM, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote: On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:34 PM, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: Format a track with the sector size that occurs later on the track, with dummy sectors ahead of them and gap sizes selected to position them properly. Start formatting with the sec

Re: HP 9816 CP/M-68K

2018-02-12 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
But, I don't know how to FORMAT a track with multiple sector sizes with NEC 765 type controller.  Not as hard with WD style controllers. On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: It's actually not too difficult. There were DOS utilities that could, for example, copy IBM XDF format. Th

Re: HP 9816 CP/M-68K

2018-02-12 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 02/12/2018 12:23 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: >> Imagedisk can't handle mixed sector sizes on a track. > > Reading or writing multiple sized sectors can be done with multiple passes. > > But, I don't know how to FORMAT a track with multiple sector sizes with > NEC 765 type controller.  Not

Re: HP 9816 CP/M-68K

2018-02-12 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
But, I don't know how to FORMAT a track with multiple sector sizes with NEC 765 type controller. Not as hard with WD style controllers. On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Eric Smith wrote: Format a track with the sector size that occurs later on the track, with dummy sectors ahead of them and gap sizes sele

Re: HP 9816 CP/M-68K

2018-02-12 Thread Glen Slick via cctalk
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:34 PM, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: > > Format a track with the sector size that occurs later on the track, with > dummy sectors ahead of them and gap sizes selected to position them > properly. > Start formatting with the sector size for the earlier sectors. Abort the >

Re: HP 9816 CP/M-68K

2018-02-12 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 2/12/18 12:23 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: >> Imagedisk can't handle mixed sector sizes on a track. > > Reading or writing multiple sized sectors can be done with multiple passes. I don't believe the .imd image format supports it either, so I just found another tool that could handle th

Re: HP 9816 CP/M-68K

2018-02-12 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:23 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Reading or writing multiple sized sectors can be done with multiple passes. > But, I don't know how to FORMAT a track with multiple sector sizes with > NEC 765 type controller. Not as hard with WD style contr

Re: HP 9816 CP/M-68K

2018-02-12 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Imagedisk can't handle mixed sector sizes on a track. Reading or writing multiple sized sectors can be done with multiple passes. But, I don't know how to FORMAT a track with multiple sector sizes with NEC 765 type controller. Not as hard with WD style controllers. With multiple sector s

Re: HP 9816 CP/M-68K

2018-02-12 Thread Glen Slick via cctalk
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 9:58 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > >> Any technical reason you used Teledisk instead of ImageDisk? Can >> Teledisk do something with these disks that ImageDisk cannot? >> > > Imagedisk can't handle mixed sector sizes on a track. I had forgotten about that. I vaguely re

Re: HP 9816 CP/M-68K

2018-02-12 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 2/11/18 7:35 PM, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote: > Any technical reason you used Teledisk instead of ImageDisk? Can > Teledisk do something with these disks that ImageDisk cannot? > Imagedisk can't handle mixed sector sizes on a track.

Re: HP 9816 CP/M-68K

2018-02-11 Thread Glen Slick via cctalk
On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 7:12 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > also, I may have discovered a bug in the HcX disk analysis tool > the track map really confused by the .td0 images I created, though they > appear to work > when written to a new disk Any technical reason you used Teledisk instead

Re: HP 9816 CP/M-68K

2018-02-11 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
got it running this afternoon it won't run on a 9000/216 with 256k, adding a 1meg card made it happy (ie. programs load and run) still need to figure out why B: isn't working the memory test with 1.25mb is slw also, I may have discovered a bug in the HcX disk analysis tool the track map real

Re: HP 9816 CP/M-68K

2018-02-09 Thread Paul Berger via cctalk
On 2018-02-09 4:05 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: floppies recovered and uploaded to http://bitsavers.org/bits/HP/HP_9000/cpm-68k I'm pretty sure this will only work in a 9121 single-sided drive but I'll be trying to boot it soon I would suspect the issue is that it only support Amigo devi