On 11/19/19 8:43 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
>
>
> On 11/18/19 7:34 PM, Frank McConnell wrote:
>> Wall Data (5250 emulator, maybe 3270 too)
>
> yes, both, 'Rumba' which supported several different boards/drivers
I've also been chasing down the history of the ASICs used on 'Irma' boards
On 11/18/19 7:34 PM, Frank McConnell wrote:
> Wall Data (5250 emulator, maybe 3270 too)
yes, both, 'Rumba' which supported several different boards/drivers
they bought the Apple Nubus coax/twinax board product line and snaPS software
product line as well (I've been trying to find the
On 11/19/19 1:36 AM, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote:
> I don't think its really "the same" anymore since it took on much of HPEs
> software. But essentially the great grandchild of the business which I
> believe started Don Higgins 370 emulator.
>
>
On 11/19/19 2:51 AM, alan--- via cctalk wrote:
> Are there any ideal resources I should be looking at? I've browsed through
> the GC30-3073-1 SNA Technical Overview but
> it doesn't cover differences in LU types
I put up a few more documents over the last few weeks, some would work well for
On 11/18/2019 6:42 PM, Al Kossow via cctech wrote:
>
> I find it interesting that the field of comms interoperability with IBM
> mainframes was huge up until TCP/IP
> took over, and all traces of the software implementations have disappeared or
> were consolidated into a couple
> like Micro
On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 02:46, Al Kossow via cctalk
wrote:
> Please feel free to copy the above to the mailing list - I definitely
> want to join (do you know if it is possible to join with a GMail
> account, the last I heard was I was waiting to be approved)
It absolutely is -- that's how I use
On 2019-11-18 19:42, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
I find it interesting that the field of comms interoperability with
IBM mainframes was huge up until TCP/IP
took over, and all traces of the software implementations have
disappeared or were consolidated into a couple
like Micro Focus.
In
On 11/19/2019 1:36 AM, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote:
-Original Message-
From: cctalk On Behalf Of Chuck Guzis via
cctalk
Sent: 19 November 2019 03:45
To: Will Cooke via cctalk
Subject: Re: 3270 controller simulation
On 11/18/19 5:36 PM, Will Cooke via cctalk wrote:
I find
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk On Behalf Of Chuck Guzis via
> cctalk
> Sent: 19 November 2019 03:45
> To: Will Cooke via cctalk
> Subject: Re: 3270 controller simulation
>
> On 11/18/19 5:36 PM, Will Cooke via cctalk wrote:
>
> > I find it interest
On 11/18/19 5:36 PM, Will Cooke via cctalk wrote:
> I find it interesting that one of the few remaining mainframe third parties
> is called Micro Focus
Is that the same Micro Focus with the x86 COBOL?
--Chuck
On 2019-11-18 11:54, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
another hacky way to to this would be a twinax to multi-port serial
terminal
converter, then rs-232 to telnet
I did say it was a hack :-)
Yes, that hack did occur to me as well. But finding suitable working
3708s or equivalents has been
On Nov 18, 2019, at 16:42, Al Kossow via wrote:
> On 11/18/19 4:37 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 11/18/19 3:15 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
>>> I have some old boards and documentation for Unibus cards that would talk
>>> X.25, BISYNC and I think SNA. Any value?
>>
>> yes, it
My interest is I have a S/36 with both TwinAx and SDLC. SDLC is a lot
easier to interface to. But I have built a electrical interface board
to go from a balun'd RJ11 twin-ax interface to an FPGA with the intent
on eventually building an open-source TwinAx <--> USB converter. Sounds
like
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Subject: 3270 controller simulation
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 19:43:24 -0600
From: Andrew Kay
To: a...@bitsavers.org
Hi Al,
I'm waiting for approval to join the cctalk mailing list but I heard
on IRC you were interested in my project so hope you don't mind me
> On November 18, 2019 at 6:42 PM Al Kossow via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>
> On 11/18/19 4:37 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:> On 11/18/19 3:15 PM, Chris
> Zach via cctalk wrote:> I have some old boards and documentation for Unibus
> cards that would talk X.25, BISYNC and I think SNA. Any
I was the Canadian GM of Emulex, whose Persyst Division made a bi-sync
card for the PC. I was stunned when, in the era of TCP/IP
interconnectivity, a client kept on talking about a 'sign-on' card :-) I
just smile dand accepted his order for lots of product!
On 18/11/2019 20:22, Ethan Dicks
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 6:15 PM Chris Zach via cctalk
wrote:
> I have some old boards and documentation for Unibus cards that would
> talk X.25, BISYNC and I think SNA. Any value?
Probably some small value, but as we (I?) have been discussing, the
applications that used those cards weren't easy
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 7:42 PM Al Kossow via cctalk
wrote:
> I find it interesting that the field of comms interoperability with IBM
> mainframes was huge up until TCP/IP
> took over, and all traces of the software implementations have disappeared or
> were consolidated into a couple
> like
On 18/11/2019 17:52, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
>
> Am I understanding you correctly to mean that Hercules itself has some
> DLSw functionality?
>
Not in the current release. These are some modifications I've made to
comm3705.c to add DLSw support. When used in conjunction with a Cisco
router
On 11/18/19 4:37 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
>
>
> On 11/18/19 3:15 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
>> I have some old boards and documentation for Unibus cards that would talk
>> X.25, BISYNC and I think SNA. Any value?
>
> yes, it would be good to get this archived on bitsavers
>
On 11/18/19 3:15 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
> I have some old boards and documentation for Unibus cards that would talk
> X.25, BISYNC and I think SNA. Any value?
yes, it would be good to get this archived on bitsavers
should talk to ethan about his stuff as well
I have some old boards and documentation for Unibus cards that would
talk X.25, BISYNC and I think SNA. Any value?
C
On 11/18/2019 5:41 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
On 11/18/19 2:12 PM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote:
Our SNA product emulated a PU Type 2 and
let you connect from your
On 11/18/19 3:14 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
I could fill books about the topic... we sold hundreds of Unibus and Qbus
boards (and a few VAXBI boards) for bisync, and dozens of boards for SNA.
~chuckle~
I have all the hardware and software and documentation from Software
Results, but there is
On 11/18/19 2:12 PM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote:
> Our SNA product emulated a PU Type 2 and
> let you connect from your local VT100 and appear to be a 3270 session.
does that code still exist?
I have two stand-alone boxes
IBM 3708 and Interlynx/3278 that essentially do that, SDLC ->
On 11/18/19 1:36 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
> On 11/18/19 2:22 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
>> You can say that again. We never could get HASP running on out 11-750
>> on BSD. This was about 1984. The Berkeley Systems Group even tried
>> and no soap. This was a leased line
> On Nov 18, 2019, at 4:59 PM, Dave Wade via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> ...
>
> Thought I'd pass this on;
>
> Conversation between a caller and John Akers:
> CALLER: Hello, John?
> AKERS: Yes?
> CALLER: John Akers?
> AKERS: Yes?
> CALLER: John F. Akers?
> AKERS: Yeah?
> CALLER: John F.
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 4:22 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk
wrote:
> You can say that again. We never could get HASP running on out 11-750
> on BSD. This was about 1984. The Berkeley Systems Group even tried
> and no soap.This was a leased line setup with Bell 209 modems.
I used to do that
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk On Behalf Of Grant Taylor via
> cctalk
> Sent: 18 November 2019 21:32
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: 3270 controller simulation
>
> On 11/18/19 1:37 PM, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote:
> > One thing which comp
On 11/18/19 1:36 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
> "…HASP…" MVS / OS/390 / z/OS term.
OS/360
Houston (as in NASA) Automatic Spooling Program
http://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360/hasp/HASP_II_Manual_Jun72
and lots of implementations of 2780/3780 RJE stations
I have the one for the PDP-11
On 11/18/19 2:22 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
You can say that again. We never could get HASP running on out 11-750
on BSD. This was about 1984. The Berkeley Systems Group even tried
and no soap.This was a leased line setup with Bell 209 modems.
"…HASP…" MVS / OS/390 / z/OS term.
On 11/18/19 1:37 PM, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote:
One thing which complicates things is that we have (roughly) layered
protocols in place between the 3174 and the host.
Yep.
I'm trying to actually map them in my head. I may have to transition to
paper / white board.
So at the physical
On 11/18/19 12:37 PM, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote:
> One thing which complicates things is that we have (roughly) layered
> protocols in place between the 3174 and the host.
> So at the physical level we have channel attached, SDLC, Token Ring and
> bi-sync.
> Above that we have the channel
Of Al Kossow via
> cctalk
> Sent: 18 November 2019 17:32
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: 3270 controller simulation
>
>
>
> On 11/18/19 9:16 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
>
> > Would you please clarify if you have the "Local" or "Remote
On 11/18/19 11:02 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
http://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/3270/GA23-0059-4_3270_Data_Stream_Programmers_Reference_Dec88.pdf
$ReadingList++
you'll find lots of information about this side of things going back to
the dark ages
Thank you.
On 11/18/19 9:52 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
> Do you know what protocol name would be used to describe the communications
> between the mainframe OS and what it thinks
> are locally attached terminals?
On 11/18/19 10:42 AM, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote:
TN3270 into Hercules so they look local to the OS...
ACK
TH3270. Cisco merely converts Token Ring to ethernet as my current PC
only has PCI-Express and you can't get PCI-Express Token ring cards.
So the Cisco is doing bog standard routing
On 11/18/19 10:38 AM, Dave Wade wrote:
I go TN3270 from the 3174 -> Hercules so the screens look like local
screens to the OS. This is how most folks have done it.
I forgot about the fact that Hercules, not the mainframe OS, is doing
some translation.
Do you know what protocol name would be
Yes, I have my 3174 communicating with Hercules (as well as my MP3000).
TTFN - Guy
> On Nov 18, 2019, at 8:45 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 11/18/19 8:22 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
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>> I believe the *Remote* 3174 (et al.) is one of these devices from IBM.
>
> The
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk On Behalf Of Grant Taylor via
> cctalk
> Sent: 18 November 2019 17:32
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: 3270 controller simulation
>
> On 11/18/19 10:06 AM, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote:
> > I started with a token r
On 11/18/19 10:12 AM, Dave Wade wrote:
The free VM370 does not support SNA so for that you would need to convert
from SNA 3270 back to channel attached protocol...
Okay.
Do you know what the proper, or any, name is for said channel attached
protocol?
... I suppose on reflection that’s
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk On Behalf Of Grant Taylor via
> cctalk
> Sent: 18 November 2019 17:16
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: 3270 controller simulation
>
> On 11/18/19 9:45 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
> > …people have
On 11/18/19 9:16 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
> Would you please clarify if you have the "Local" or "Remote" 3174?
All of my terminal controllers are remote, since I don't have anything
with a channel.
I have a small S36 in storage which is why I have some interest in
twinax. I guess
On 11/18/19 10:06 AM, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote:
I started with a token ring card in a Windows/2000 box so I could connect
directly.
Nice.
Was this TN5250 (5250 vs 3270?)? Or was it SNA?
I have also gone via a Cisco router with a Token Ring interface NATed
onto my normal LAN.
I assume
On 11/18/19 9:45 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
…people have gone Cisco to 3174 to get coax terminals talking to
Hercules. I believe Guy S., Dave W. and Jay W. have done this.
Please confirm if it is DLSw between the Cisco and OS running in Hercules?
Sorry for being obtuse. There are a LOT
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk On Behalf Of Grant Taylor via
> cctalk
> Sent: 18 November 2019 17:07
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: 3270 controller simulation
>
> On 11/18/19 9:42 AM, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote:
> > Yes the second. So it
On 11/18/19 9:42 AM, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote:
Yes the second. So it only works with SNA .
ACK
I don't think DLSw being SNA only is a problem. I say this because I
think DLSw requires TCP/IP connectivity. Thus you already have TCP/IP
connectivity to the mainframe.
Yes its DLSw. Was
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk On Behalf Of Al Kossow via
> cctalk
> Sent: 18 November 2019 16:45
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: 3270 controller simulation
>
>
>
> On 11/18/19 8:22 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
>
> > I be
On 11/18/19 8:47 AM, Jay Jaeger via cctalk wrote:
> I found these documents, but they don't address that status line,
> because they are for the older 3271/3272 controllers.
yup, noticed that too, which was one of the interesting things about what he did
there is information on DFT and
On 11/17/19 4:32 PM, alan--- via cctalk wrote:
>
> it would be nice to build a
> multi-session terminal emulator out of a modern Linux box for my S/36.
another hacky way to to this would be a twinax to multi-port serial terminal
converter, then rs-232 to telnet
I did say it was a hack :-)
On 11/18/2019 12:05 AM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
>
> Looks like a VT100 screen. I am hoping it's really running 3270 on the
> thing.
>
> Look at the bottom below the line. has VT100 on that line where the
> 3270 status
> would be.
>
Though I have worked with real 3270's in the past, I
On 11/18/19 8:22 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
> I believe the *Remote* 3174 (et al.) is one of these devices from IBM.
The bigger 3174s have ethernet as an option, as did the Memorex/Telex 1174
More commonly, 3174s had token ring and people have gone Cisco to 3174 to
get coax terminals
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk On Behalf Of Grant Taylor via
> cctalk
> Sent: 18 November 2019 16:22
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: 3270 controller simulation
>
> On 11/18/19 2:56 AM, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote:
> > Whilst not what yo
On 11/18/19 8:55 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
and...@cpe-24-27-54-87.austin.res.rr.com
tried sending email there, it didn't bounce but I didn't hear anything
back
The format of the hostname looks like a fabricated DNS entry that I'm
accustom to seeing from big residential ISPs. I would
On 11/18/19 2:56 AM, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote:
Whilst not what you are looking for some one has been working on
supporting CISCO SDLC encapsulation in Hercules.
Are they working on Cisco's SDLC line protocol and / or physical
(serial) interface?
So this allows real 3270's to connect to
On 11/17/19 10:05 PM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
> and...@cpe-24-27-54-87.austin.res.rr.com
>
> topic set by acfrazier
>
> Looks like a VT100 screen. I am hoping it's really running 3270 on the thing.
>
> Look at the bottom below the line. has VT100 on that line where the 3270
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk On Behalf Of Al Kossow via
> cctalk
> Sent: 18 November 2019 02:51
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: 3270 controller simulation
>
>
>
> On 11/17/19 4:32 PM, alan--- via cctalk wrote:
> >
> >
On 11/16/2019 5:23 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
https://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=55=21558=442092#p442092
if you look at the pictures from april, they have an arduino talking to a 3278
any ideas who 'ajk' in austin might be?
This is a screen running IRC, including the channel,
On 11/17/19 4:32 PM, alan--- via cctalk wrote:
>
> Anyone aware of any effort to emulate 515x terminal sessions on a Midrange
> system over one of the standard SDLC serial
> ports?
sounds painful
do you mean over a twinax port?
I was just thinking I don't think I've seen the equivalent of
Anyone aware of any effort to emulate 515x terminal sessions on a
Midrange system over one of the standard SDLC serial ports? I know
there were cards like the AST 5251/11 back in the ISA/DOS days. But it
would be nice to build a multi-session terminal emulator out of a modern
Linux box
El dom., 17 nov. 2019 2:23, Al Kossow via cctalk
escribió:
>
> https://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=55=21558=442092#p442092
>
> if you look at the pictures from april, they have an arduino talking to a
> 3278
>
> any ideas who 'ajk' in austin might be?
>
Very impressive.
Cordiales saludos /
Neat.
On 11/16/2019 7:23 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
>
> https://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=55=21558=442092#p442092
>
> if you look at the pictures from april, they have an arduino talking to a 3278
>
> any ideas who 'ajk' in austin might be?
>
>
https://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=55=21558=442092#p442092
if you look at the pictures from april, they have an arduino talking to a 3278
any ideas who 'ajk' in austin might be?
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