Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Eric Smith via cctalk]

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 12:47 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> If your email program is crapping, it is not the responsibility of
> everybody else to "adjust" their mail readers to filter out the crap.
> This group has been remarkably tolerant of NON-ASCII content.
>

I generally agree, but at least "quoted-printable" is a _standard_
encoding, and not some totally random brokenness.

RE: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Dave Wade via cctalk]

2018, at 11:47, Fred Cisin wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 17 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
> >> yep we see them but we did not type them intentionally
> >
> > https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/06/13/we/
> >
> >> may way to adjust your mail reader reader as they do not show up in any
> of the mail readers we have access to.

Possibly not but as a UK citizen I find that if I use £ or € then these can't 
be represented as "ASCII" (whatever that is) 

http://www.aivosto.com/vbtips/charsets-7bit.html


Dave

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Ed Sharpe via cctalk]

there seems to be a difference sometimes in quote in ms word and regular ascii 
when posting some things some places

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

On Thursday, May 17, 2018 Frank McConnell via cctalk  
wrote:
On May 17, 2018, at 11:47, Fred Cisin wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 17 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
>> yep we see them but we did not type them intentionally 
> 
> https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/06/13/we/
> 
>> may way to adjust your mail reader reader as they do not show up in any of 
>> the mail readers we have access to.
>> Ed# 
> 
> If your email program is crapping, it is not the responsibility of everybody 
> else to "adjust" their mail readers to filter out the crap.
> This group has been remarkably tolerant of NON-ASCII content.
> 
> Many already have configurations that do such filtering, and are not seeing 
> all of the mess.
> Others just assume that your mail client, or your keyboard is BROKEN.
> Would cleaning the contacts of your space bar reduce the bounce and noise it 
> produces?
> Perhaps also repair the rest of the punctuation keys, if the keyboard has 
> any, and at least one of the shift keys.
> 
> That is assuming that it is a keyboard, and not a telegraph key, nor OCR of 
> crayon drawings.

My guess is (and has been for a while) "dictated to Cortana". And his Cortana 
is sometimes hard of hearing because the mic got buried under something.

We live in interesting times in which the future is here but not evenly 
distributed. For many modern e-mail user programs, the default character set 
for plain text is no longer US-ASCII or some local national variation but 
Unicode. And the e-mail composer works hard to notice that its user has typed a 
quotation mark so it can promote it into some other Unicode quotation mark 
(e.g. " gets turned into LEFT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK). It then gets sent as 
text/plain, but with UTF-8 encoding; and some but not all combinations of mail 
readers and display devices can show Unicode characters in UTF-8 encoding.

So if you insist on reading your e-mail with a VT100 or even an HP 700/92, some 
e-mail is looking funny and more will; but some of the newer terminal emulators 
(e.g. Terminal.app on macOS) are capable of displaying Unicode from a received 
UTF-8 stream, and that is why reports of success with Alpine vary: people 
running it from a terminal that understands UTF-8 see the non-breaking space 
characters as blanks, while those who run it from a terminal that understands 
only US-ASCII see them as something else.

Right at the moment I am using Apple Mail and it is one of those things that 
does character promotion, and sometimes I have uses for that. I think I may 
have fixed this message, but that fixing is a conscious effort and takes some 
work to retype those quotation marks and move away from them with some care, 
and then check again before you send because sometimes it re-scans and 
re-promotes.

-Frank McConnell

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Frank McConnell via cctalk]

On May 17, 2018, at 11:47, Fred Cisin wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 17 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
>> yep we see them  but   we  did not  type them intentionally  
> 
> https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/06/13/we/
> 
>> may way to adjust  your  mail reader reader as  they do not  show up in   
>> any of the  mail readers  we have access to.
>> Ed# 
> 
> If your email program is crapping, it is not the responsibility of everybody 
> else to "adjust" their mail readers to filter out the crap.
> This group has been remarkably tolerant of NON-ASCII content.
> 
> Many already have configurations that do such filtering, and are not seeing 
> all of the mess.
> Others just assume that your mail client, or your keyboard is BROKEN.
> Would cleaning the contacts of your space bar reduce the bounce and noise it 
> produces?
> Perhaps also repair the rest of the punctuation keys, if the keyboard has 
> any, and at least one of the shift keys.
> 
> That is assuming that it is a keyboard, and not a telegraph key, nor OCR of 
> crayon drawings.

My guess is (and has been for a while) "dictated to Cortana".  And his Cortana 
is sometimes hard of hearing because the mic got buried under something.

We live in interesting times in which the future is here but not evenly 
distributed.  For many modern e-mail user programs, the default character set 
for plain text is no longer US-ASCII or some local national variation but 
Unicode.  And the e-mail composer works hard to notice that its user has typed 
a quotation mark so it can promote it into some other Unicode quotation mark 
(e.g. " gets turned into LEFT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK).  It then gets sent as 
text/plain, but with UTF-8 encoding; and some but not all combinations of mail 
readers and display devices can show Unicode characters in UTF-8 encoding.

So if you insist on reading your e-mail with a VT100 or even an HP 700/92, some 
e-mail is looking funny and more will; but some of the newer terminal emulators 
(e.g. Terminal.app on macOS) are capable of displaying Unicode from a received 
UTF-8 stream, and that is why reports of success with Alpine vary: people 
running it from a terminal that understands UTF-8 see the non-breaking space 
characters as blanks, while those who run it from a terminal that understands 
only US-ASCII see them as something else.

Right at the moment I am using Apple Mail and it is one of those things that 
does character promotion, and sometimes I have uses for that.  I think I may 
have fixed this message, but that fixing is a conscious effort and takes some 
work to retype those quotation marks and move away from them with some care, 
and then check again before you send because sometimes it re-scans and 
re-promotes.

-Frank McConnell

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Ed Sharpe via cctalk]

OK I do know the  Pine   I used it at the stat of the internet  with a text 
browser  for webpages also. This back when I ran them on a slow  PC that was 
unable to run mosaic etc etc etc.    Wow   flashback...  and not necessarily a  
pleasant one! ( but those software items would run on darn near anything...   
Ed#
 
In a message dated 5/17/2018 12:19:25 PM US Mountain Standard Time, 
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

 
 On Thu, 17 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
> wonder how many are running that version of alpine that exists errors?
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

Are you hypothesizing that it is a specific version of Alpine that 
creates the extraneous characters, and produces the errors 
of captialization, punctuation, and inconsistent spacing?

I am using PINE, and only get the errors of captialization, punctuation, 
and inconsistent spacing.

OTOH, there are many of us with worse mispelings.

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

On Thu, 17 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:

wonder how  many are running that version of alpine that exists errors?
Sent from AOL Mobile Mail


Are you hypothesizing that it is a specific version of Alpine that 
creates the extraneous characters, and produces the errors 
of captialization, punctuation, and inconsistent spacing?


I am using PINE, and only get the errors of captialization, punctuation, 
and inconsistent spacing.


OTOH, there are many of us with worse mispelings.

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[geneb via cctalk]

On Thu, 17 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:


wonder how  many are running that version of alpine that exists errors?


The problem isn't on the destination end, it's on the origin.

Asking me to adjust my email client to fix your problem is like a noisy 
neighbor demanding I wear earplugs.


g.

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Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Ed Sharpe via cctalk]

wonder how  many are running that version of alpine that exists errors?

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

On Thursday, May 17, 2018 Fred Cisin via cctalk  wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
> yep we see them  but   we  did not  type them intentionally  

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/06/13/we/

> may way to adjust  your  mail reader reader as  they do not  show up in   any 
> of the  mail readers  we have access to.
> Ed# 

If your email program is crapping, it is not the responsibility of 
everybody else to "adjust" their mail readers to filter out the crap.
This group has been remarkably tolerant of NON-ASCII content.

Many already have configurations that do such filtering, and are not 
seeing all of the mess.
Others just assume that your mail client, or your keyboard is BROKEN.
Would cleaning the contacts of your space bar reduce the bounce and noise 
it produces?
Perhaps also repair the rest of the punctuation keys, if the keyboard 
has any, and at least one of the shift keys.

That is assuming that it is a keyboard, and not a telegraph key, nor OCR 
of crayon drawings.
OTOH, if the keyboard in question consists of a xerox of a Timex/Sinclair, 
then you are to be commended for getting output that is so close to 
being text.

"My handwriting is so bad that even my typing is illegible."

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

On Thu, 17 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:

yep we see them?? but?? ??we?? did not?? type them intentionally


https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/06/13/we/


may way to adjust?? your?? mail reader reader as?? they do not?? show up in?? 
??any of the?? mail readers?? we have access to.
Ed#??


If your email program is crapping, it is not the responsibility of 
everybody else to "adjust" their mail readers to filter out the crap.

This group has been remarkably tolerant of NON-ASCII content.

Many already have configurations that do such filtering, and are not 
seeing all of the mess.

Others just assume that your mail client, or your keyboard is BROKEN.
Would cleaning the contacts of your space bar reduce the bounce and noise 
it produces?
Perhaps also repair the rest of the punctuation keys, if the keyboard 
has any, and at least one of the shift keys.


That is assuming that it is a keyboard, and not a telegraph key, nor OCR 
of crayon drawings.
OTOH, if the keyboard in question consists of a xerox of a Timex/Sinclair, 
then you are to be commended for getting output that is so close to 
being text.


"My handwriting is so bad that even my typing is illegible."

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Chuck Guzis via cctalk]

On 05/16/2018 09:13 AM, jos via cctalk wrote:
> Visited an older collector recently, and in his shed he has a strange
> thing, labeled CDC, that somehow looks like a drum memory, but then
> again not ( drum looks too small to be usefull )
> 
> The controller that goes with is  a transistor based  monster on
> countless small pluginboards.
> 
> Pictures on  ftp://ftp.dreesen.ch/Unknown_CDC_Stuff

Finally got enough patience to let the images load.

Pulling a guess out of the thin air or some other place, my guess would
be a CDC Digigraphics controller, which used drums for display refresh.

--Chuck

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Ed Sharpe via cctalk]

yep we see them  but   we  did not  type them intentionally  
may way to adjust  your  mail reader reader as  they do not  show up in   any 
of the  mail readers  we have access to.
Ed# 
 
In a message dated 5/17/2018 10:24:41 AM US Mountain Standard Time, 
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

 
 > On Wed, 16 May 2018, geneb wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
>>
>>> OK? I? see there is a? mix? of? photos in this? directory!
>>> some? tape? reader? some? drum? 2? separate? topics.
>>> ?
>> Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two junk
>> characters at the end of every word you write. I see it in Alpine and it
>> makes your text nearly unreadable. :)


I get the digest and see question mark characters after most words. Perhaps 
they will show in the above quoted message, which I copied out of the digest.

Bob

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Robert Feldman via cctalk]

> On Wed, 16 May 2018, geneb wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
>>
>>> OK? I? see there is a? mix? of? photos in this? directory!
>>> some? tape? reader? some? drum? 2? separate? topics.
>>> ?
>> Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two junk
>> characters at the end of every word you write.  I see it in Alpine and it
>> makes your text nearly unreadable. :)


I get the digest and see question mark characters after most words. Perhaps 
they will show in the above quoted message, which I copied out of the digest.

Bob

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Al Kossow via cctalk]

On 5/16/18 9:13 AM, jos via cctalk wrote:
> Visited an older collector recently, and in his shed he has a strange thing, 
> labeled CDC, that somehow looks like a drum
> memory, but then again not ( drum looks too small to be usefull )
> 
> The controller that goes with is  a transistor based  monster on countless 
> small pluginboards.
> 


If you get back over there, try to find CDC ID tags on the drum and controller.
There would normally be a model number badge somewhere on the outside.

Being that there was a 350 paper tape reader, I'm guessing its for one of their 
smaller systems,
maybe an early model 1700

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Kyle Owen via cctalk]

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:11 AM, geneb via cctalk 
wrote:

> On Thu, 17 May 2018, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote:
>
> On Wed, 16 May 2018, geneb wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
>>>
>>> OK  I  see there is a  mix  of  photos in this  directory!
 some  tape  reader  some  drum  2  separate  topics.


>>> Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two
>>> junk characters at the end of every word you write.  I see it in Alpine and
>>> it makes your text nearly unreadable. :)
>>>
>>
>> I use Alpine, too, but I only see two spaces after each word, but yes, Ed
>> has the talent to write illegible postings ;-)
>>
>
> Understatement of the century. :)  It varies. Sometimes it's interspersed
> with garbage, sometimes it's multiple spaces.


Sometimes it's ALL CAPS. Maybe Ed has a Model 26 Teletype hooked up in lieu
of his computer's keyboard?

Kyle

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[geneb via cctalk]

On Thu, 17 May 2018, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote:


On Wed, 16 May 2018, geneb wrote:

On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:


OK  I  see there is a  mix  of  photos in this  directory!
some  tape  reader  some  drum  2  separate  topics.
 
Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two junk 
characters at the end of every word you write.  I see it in Alpine and it 
makes your text nearly unreadable. :)


I use Alpine, too, but I only see two spaces after each word, but yes, 
Ed has the talent to write illegible postings ;-)


Understatement of the century. :)  It varies. Sometimes it's interspersed 
with garbage, sometimes it's multiple spaces.


g.

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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
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Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[geneb via cctalk]

On Wed, 16 May 2018, Paul Koning wrote:





On May 16, 2018, at 8:28 PM, geneb via cctalk  wrote:

On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:


OK  I  see there is a  mix  of  photos in this  directory!
some  tape  reader  some  drum  2  separate  topics.


Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two junk 
characters at the end of every word you write.  I see it in Alpine and it makes 
your text nearly unreadable. :)


You mean "=C2=A0" ?  Ed's mail has a Mime encoding "quoted-printable", 
not sure why.  If your mail reader doesn't know how to handle Mime 
headers, you'd see those encoding markers as actual text rather than as 
the character they are supposed to represent.  C2 A0 is UTF-8 for 
"non-breaking space" which explains why many others haven't noticed 
anything odd.


There's no rational reason to MIME encode the *body* of an email, unless 
of course they're using some badly written horror show that thinks HTML 
and embedded graphics are perfectly acceptable. (Those people tend to 
top-post as well, so they're basically irredeemable at that point. :) )


g.


--
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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby.  Geeks collect hobbies.

ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
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Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Christian Corti via cctalk]

On Wed, 16 May 2018, geneb wrote:

On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:


OK  I  see there is a  mix  of  photos in this  directory!
some  tape  reader  some  drum  2  separate  topics.
 
Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two junk 
characters at the end of every word you write.  I see it in Alpine and it 
makes your text nearly unreadable. :)


I use Alpine, too, but I only see two spaces after each word, but yes, Ed 
has the talent to write illegible postings ;-)


Christian

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Jon Elson via cctalk]

On 05/16/2018 11:13 AM, jos via cctalk wrote:
Visited an older collector recently, and in his shed he 
has a strange thing, labeled CDC, that somehow looks like 
a drum memory, but then again not ( drum looks too small 
to be usefull )


The controller that goes with is  a transistor based  
monster on countless small pluginboards.


Pictures on  ftp://ftp.dreesen.ch/Unknown_CDC_Stuff


Yes, it is a drum, for sure.  Seems to have a LOT of heads.  
The controller may be a regular disk controller, or can be 
used with both.  I noticed an "on cylinder" light on the 
panel.  But, it should be pretty easy to repurpose a disk 
controller to handle a head-per-track drum.


Jon

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Jon Elson via cctalk]

On 05/16/2018 07:53 PM, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:

never seen it...  guess I will never  want to use alpine?
Ed#
  

Yup, I don't see anything odd, I use Thunderbird as my email 
client.


Jon

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Ed Sharpe via cctalk]

I  would  assume  there is  a  switch option in  that mail  reader  that  will 
enable or  disable the  reading of the   chars?
 
 
In a message dated 5/16/2018 5:48:40 PM US Mountain Standard Time, 
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

 


> On May 16, 2018, at 8:28 PM, geneb via cctalk  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
> 
>> OK I see there is a mix of photos in this directory!
>> some tape reader some drum 2 separate topics.
>> 
> Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two junk 
> characters at the end of every word you write. I see it in Alpine and it 
> makes your text nearly unreadable. :)

You mean "=C2=A0" ? Ed's mail has a Mime encoding "quoted-printable", not sure 
why. If your mail reader doesn't know how to handle Mime headers, you'd see 
those encoding markers as actual text rather than as the character they are 
supposed to represent. C2 A0 is UTF-8 for "non-breaking space" which explains 
why many others haven't noticed anything odd.

 paul

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Ed Sharpe via cctalk]

never seen it...  guess I will never  want to use alpine?
Ed#
 
In a message dated 5/16/2018 5:48:40 PM US Mountain Standard Time, 
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

 


> On May 16, 2018, at 8:28 PM, geneb via cctalk  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
> 
>> OK I see there is a mix of photos in this directory!
>> some tape reader some drum 2 separate topics.
>> 
> Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two junk 
> characters at the end of every word you write. I see it in Alpine and it 
> makes your text nearly unreadable. :)

You mean "=C2=A0" ? Ed's mail has a Mime encoding "quoted-printable", not sure 
why. If your mail reader doesn't know how to handle Mime headers, you'd see 
those encoding markers as actual text rather than as the character they are 
supposed to represent. C2 A0 is UTF-8 for "non-breaking space" which explains 
why many others haven't noticed anything odd.

 paul

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Paul Koning via cctalk]

> On May 16, 2018, at 8:28 PM, geneb via cctalk  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
> 
>> OK  I  see there is a  mix  of  photos in this  directory!
>> some  tape  reader  some  drum  2  separate  topics.
>>  
> Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two junk 
> characters at the end of every word you write.  I see it in Alpine and it 
> makes your text nearly unreadable. :)

You mean "=C2=A0" ?  Ed's mail has a Mime encoding "quoted-printable", not sure 
why.  If your mail reader doesn't know how to handle Mime headers, you'd see 
those encoding markers as actual text rather than as the character they are 
supposed to represent.  C2 A0 is UTF-8 for "non-breaking space" which explains 
why many others haven't noticed anything odd.

paul

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[geneb via cctalk]

On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:


OK  I  see there is a  mix  of  photos in this  directory!
some  tape  reader  some  drum  2  separate  topics.
 
Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two 
junk characters at the end of every word you write.  I see it in Alpine 
and it makes your text nearly unreadable. :)


g.

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Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Ed Sharpe via cctalk]

nope   for  a  computer !
We have  some at  SMECC also.
things weigh a  ton!
 
 
In a message dated 5/16/2018 10:59:47 AM US Mountain Standard Time, 
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

 


On 5/16/18 10:43 AM, Jos Dreesen via cctalk wrote:

> Added 4 more, that are from some frontpanel that probably is also  CDC.
> Quite easily the most complex I have ever seen, but somehow strange.
> Maybe for a tester rather than a computer.

Honeywell Level 66 CP

http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/multics/jpg/L66CPUL.jpg

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Jos Dreesen via cctalk]

On 16.05.2018 20:00, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:





Honeywell Level 66 CP

http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/multics/jpg/L66CPUL.jpg



That seems to be spot on...
What a beast this machine was..

Jos

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Al Kossow via cctalk]

On 5/16/18 10:43 AM, Jos Dreesen via cctalk wrote:

> Added 4 more, that are from some frontpanel that probably is also  CDC.
> Quite easily the most complex I have ever seen, but somehow strange.
> Maybe for a tester rather than a computer.

Honeywell Level 66 CP

http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/multics/jpg/L66CPUL.jpg

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Ed Sharpe via cctalk]

photos  are   fine  it  just   took  a  while   for the  ftp  to  load  at this 
 end ?
nice  tape  reader too  with the multiple   code reading ability!
 
Ed# 
 
In a message dated 5/16/2018 10:43:30 AM US Mountain Standard Time, 
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

 
 On 16.05.2018 19:13, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
> OK  I  see there is a  mix  of  photos in this  directory!
> some  tape  reader  some  drum  2  separate  topics.
> 


My mistake, sorry, that papertape reader was of course obvious. Removed that 
pic.

Added 4 more, that are from some frontpanel that probably is also CDC.
Quite easily the most complex I have ever seen, but somehow strange.
Maybe for a tester rather than a computer.

I am afraid that the local situation made better fotos impossible...

Thanks for your input

Jos

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Jos Dreesen via cctalk]

On 16.05.2018 19:13, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:

OK  I  see there is a  mix  of  photos in this  directory!
some  tape  reader  some  drum  2  separate  topics.
 



My mistake, sorry, that papertape reader was of course obvious. Removed that 
pic.

Added 4 more, that are from some frontpanel that probably is also  CDC.
Quite easily the most complex I have ever seen, but somehow strange.
Maybe for a tester rather than a computer.

I am afraid that the local situation made better fotos impossible...

Thanks for your input

Jos

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Ed Sharpe via cctalk]

OK  I  see there is a  mix  of  photos in this  directory!
some  tape  reader  some  drum  2  separate  topics.
 
 
In a message dated 5/16/2018 10:04:56 AM US Mountain Standard Time, 
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

 
 I will check this to see if there are any pictures

http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102680349


On 5/16/18 10:04 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
> http://www.oocities.org/athens/forum/8564/books/wmthesis/thesis_01.htm
> references the 863 being used on the CDC 3100
> 
> On 5/16/18 10:00 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 5/16/18 9:13 AM, jos via cctalk wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone can identify this ?
>>>
>>
>>
>> if you look on bitsavers under cdc/catalogs 
>> M90310500_Internal_Literature_Catalog_Jul75.pdf
>>
>> lists several drum storage units including the models 861, 863 and 865
>>
>> the controller looks a little too early to be for the BG504A
>> the one you're trying to identify looks to be using 1604/160 series modules
>>
>> 39731700A_BG504A-H_Drum_Memory_CE_Manual_Jul72.pdf for the 1700
>>
>>
> 

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Al Kossow via cctalk]

I will check this to see if there are any pictures

http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102680349


On 5/16/18 10:04 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
> http://www.oocities.org/athens/forum/8564/books/wmthesis/thesis_01.htm
> references the 863 being used on the CDC 3100
> 
> On 5/16/18 10:00 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 5/16/18 9:13 AM, jos via cctalk wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone can identify this ?
>>>
>>
>>
>> if you look on bitsavers under cdc/catalogs 
>> M90310500_Internal_Literature_Catalog_Jul75.pdf
>>
>> lists several drum storage units including the models 861, 863 and 865
>>
>> the controller looks a little too early to be for the BG504A
>> the one you're trying to identify looks to be using 1604/160 series modules
>>
>> 39731700A_BG504A-H_Drum_Memory_CE_Manual_Jul72.pdf for the 1700
>>
>>
> 

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Al Kossow via cctalk]

http://www.oocities.org/athens/forum/8564/books/wmthesis/thesis_01.htm
references the 863 being used on the CDC 3100

On 5/16/18 10:00 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
> 
> 
> On 5/16/18 9:13 AM, jos via cctalk wrote:
> 
>> Anyone can identify this ?
>>
> 
> 
> if you look on bitsavers under cdc/catalogs 
> M90310500_Internal_Literature_Catalog_Jul75.pdf
> 
> lists several drum storage units including the models 861, 863 and 865
> 
> the controller looks a little too early to be for the BG504A
> the one you're trying to identify looks to be using 1604/160 series modules
> 
> 39731700A_BG504A-H_Drum_Memory_CE_Manual_Jul72.pdf for the 1700
> 
> 

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Al Kossow via cctalk]

On 5/16/18 9:13 AM, jos via cctalk wrote:

> Anyone can identify this ?
> 


if you look on bitsavers under cdc/catalogs 
M90310500_Internal_Literature_Catalog_Jul75.pdf

lists several drum storage units including the models 861, 863 and 865

the controller looks a little too early to be for the BG504A
the one you're trying to identify looks to be using 1604/160 series modules

39731700A_BG504A-H_Drum_Memory_CE_Manual_Jul72.pdf for the 1700

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Ed Sharpe via cctalk]

tape reader on  front  seems reads  5   7 and  8  level paper  tape ... but 
that thing on the   back   ???  not  sure...   Ed
 
In a message dated 5/16/2018 9:13:46 AM US Mountain Standard Time, 
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

 
 Visited an older collector recently, and in his shed he has a strange thing, 
labeled CDC, that somehow looks like a drum memory, but then again not ( drum 
looks too small to be usefull )

The controller that goes with is  a transistor based  monster on countless 
small pluginboards.

Pictures on  ftp://ftp.dreesen.ch/Unknown_CDC_Stuff


Anyone can identify this ?



Jos

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Ed Sharpe via cctalk]

real slow to access  but  what  i  just  saw  was a paper tape reader Ed
 
 
In a message dated 5/16/2018 9:13:46 AM US Mountain Standard Time, 
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

 
 Visited an older collector recently, and in his shed he has a strange thing, 
labeled CDC, that somehow looks like a drum memory, but then again not ( drum 
looks too small to be usefull )

The controller that goes with is  a transistor based  monster on countless 
small pluginboards.

Pictures on  ftp://ftp.dreesen.ch/Unknown_CDC_Stuff


Anyone can identify this ?



Jos